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NOT what I said at all..I just don't think any one faith should have precedence in education.I certainly think religious education should be on the curriculum but that all religions should be studied.

I'm really not attacking religion at all but if you choose to view it that way then that's your problem not mine.:shrug:

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I was responding to Chris, not you....

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Reading the research piece I posted there does appear to be a view that selective admissions faith schools in middle class suburbs present a growth opportunity for the church.

Whether this is official policy I don't know, though it seems quite churlish the implication that state funded schools represent a potential recruitment avenue for the Anglican church and is, I'd hope, not the official view.

Incidentally that kind of view is exactly why I am more bothered by admissions being inclusive. The phrase 'On your knees to avoid the fees.' is really quite offensive to those secular, atheistic, and of faith.

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I think, Gary, none of us will die to find out we're staying in the ground or indeed anything else. I have no more fear of death than someone who's devoutly religious, just the dying part I don't fancy :)

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In principle is that much different from a parish requiring you to be part of that church in order to get married there?

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Yes - that is purely between you and the parish, it doesn't involve a resource that is 100% ongoing and 90% capital funded by the state, which is likely to be oversubscribed.

Do you not find the idea of parents pretending to have faith to get their children into school, or that potentially they may push out children of parents who do genuinely have faith or even push out children who are far closer to the school but whose parents do also not have genuine faith distasteful?

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Religion has also caused/causing more division and started wars as well. Getting back to Muslim only controlled schools in the UK must be wrong. We are open but are they.

Today the schools tomorrow the world!!!

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....I said 'in principle'....

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A perfect example of why religious education is important these days. Religion has not caused wars. The wrongful use of it has been the catalyst and excuse but the same could be said about politics, greed, money, weapons, drugs etc.

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You can't fix the mistakes if you ignore them.

Islam is certainly a religion founded on many of the wrong things, however most of its followers in this country are moderate and way more liberal than the core religion would suggest.

Sadly there are also a number who are fundamentalists and wish for an Islamic state. They have integrated poorly if at all, and the city with the largest Islamic population in Western Europe also has the distinction of being known as the most dangerous.

Unfortunately people who happen to be Muslim came from the third world and, rather than seek a better life, brought that world with them. The interpretation of their religion they brought with them is incompatible with the society they moved to, so they set about creating their own.

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I am hoping for me it will be bang gone in a second sort of thing. A long protracted illness in pain is something i hope i don't experience.

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It means those parents who want their children educated in a religious surrounding can't so i think it does stifle parental rights in what is still very much in my opinion a Christian society

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It doesn't ,not in schools obliged to teach the national curriculum anyway ,which would include faith schools ,but i'm sure you know that


I don't think that is or has been much of a problem Maggie ,sure there have been some exceptions but not many .It is perfectly possible for faith schools to teach modern science .

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****If any parent feels that concerned then they can always be home schooled.

It's the exceptions that worry me..

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It's just as well that society is somewhat less illiberal than this.

As a teacher educator you have undoubted expertise in the practice of teaching educating children whatever subject you're qualified in. You do not, however, have a monopoly on ideas when it comes to deciding the environment in which children should spend so many of their formative days.

Thankfully the British State has historically recognised this, and continues to do so. It recognises that the obligation it places on parents to have their children educated is beyond the means of most parents to fulfil by themselves, and therefore provides schools. It recognises also that in effectively requiring children so spend so many hours apart from their parents, it should not thereby acquire the parents' right to decide the environment in which that education takes place.

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as can Atheist children if their parents are that worried about little jonny coming into contact with religion


Not me, i don't think there are enough exceptions to worry about ,of course if you know different please elaborate

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You mean if they choose to sent their children to a religious based school? I think they will have already sorted that one out in their minds. ;)

As for proving the exceptions well you brought that up..and I'm waiting to see just what this investigation throws up.

By the way I was taught in a school where religion featured very heavily..and I got an RE O-level and the RE prize..and I was an atheist by the time I left.;)

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They've sent in an anti terrorist person to investigate what the Muslims are up to.