Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35485594)

Agree too. Falling too far behind with no sign of any fightback. :(

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35485625)

The only thing they are falling behind on is channels but that has always been the case. But I do agree something needs to be done. On all the other relevant things, in my view, VM are leading Sky.

VM have far better BB, and a far better set top box. Multiroom streaming will be here soon, a feature that sky have no equivalent of at the moment.

The ipad app will be out soon, which will be as good or better than the Sky version.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35485543)

Sky have the content for now, however the world changes very quickly in this space and the future may be a world where content providers choose to sell direct to customers via the internet, Tivo is perfect to deliver content in this way.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35485543)

Sky are concerned search BSKYB on the net and click news, they are talking about the threat from BT, if they lose the premiere league and movies they have nothing as they don't own any infrastructure. Virgin do and thats a massive assett.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35485662)

Two points

1. If content providers decide to sell content direct to the customers over the Internet why would anyone need a pay TV STB :confused: surely a cheap Roku , Boxee , PS3 , XBOX would do the same job and free from a monthly charge and accessible with whichever ISP you choose.

2. HBO in the US will not sell their content direct to the customer as they make far too much money from the cable/satellite companies.


That's not strictly true is it , Sky has its own network and has its own equipment in the BT exchanges , BT are however responsible for everything from the exchange I believe.

Tivo does not need a broadband connection or a phone line, that's the competative advantage. Sky does not have a full infrastructue of its own as its equipment is housed in bt premises.and pays bt a price for use of its infrastructre and easy net is a backbone network it does not feed out to bt cabs where sky customers connect too. Vm's is wholly owned by VM. So your point is no where near true.
http://corporate.sky.com/investors/p...dc_for_easynet

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35485669)

But your statement was that content providers will start to deliver their content direct to the customer over the Internet , if that's true why will any of us need a pay TV STB a simple subscription free Roku will do the job. How many Netflix subscribers access their content on a pay TV STB ? A very small percentage if any , they also use the service across a multitude of ISP's.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35485625)

The only thing they are falling behind on is channels but that has always been the case. But I do agree something needs to be done. On all the other relevant things, in my view, VM are leading Sky.

VM have far better BB, and a far better set top box. Multiroom streaming will be here soon, a feature that sky have no equivalent of at the moment.

The ipad app will be out soon, which will be as good or better than the Sky version.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35485672)

My quote was maybe not will. Its a thought not a this will happen comment. All I am saying is that the world could change an as vm have the infrastructure. One thig I don't get with vm is why they don't puSh the fact that they are the only provider who can deliver tv and bb without the need for a phone line.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35485672)

My quote was maybe not will. Its a thought not a this will happen comment. All I am saying is that the world could change an as vm have the infrastructure. One thig I don't get with vm is why they don't puSh the fact that they are the only provider who can deliver tv and bb without the need for a phone line.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35485680)

however I still feel that content is equally as important hence why BT are snapping it up left right and centre .

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35485680)

I'm in agreement with you that looking forward content delivered over the Internet will vastly increase , this is evident in numerous recent stories , BT Youview , Sky's investment in Roku and launch of NowTV , VM's launch of TIVO however I still feel that content is equally as important hence why BT are snapping it up left right and centre and Sky are upping their investment in homegrown content with a view to selling worldwide a point proved with its recent purchase of Parthenon , BSkyB and Parthenon Media Group have now confirmed their new distribution company will be named Sky Vision.

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35485726)

or Sky have on producing new comedy and drama,.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35485732)

strange thing is VM seem to have no trouble attracting TV customers even though posters say they are falling behind, all rather strange

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35485732)

That's the point, they are struggling to attract new tv customers so are jumping on the net solution, however if bt keep snapping at their heels for sport and win the next bid (and they did bid for all of the premier league rights so that shows their intent) Sky will not have a lot to offer so the whole model will have to change as they will wholesale sports from bt and make a pittance as VM do now.

Lots to think about I reckon, strange thing is VM seem to have no trouble attracting TV customers even though posters say they are falling behind, all rather strange

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35485745)

Care to post us these figures