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budwieser 03-10-2012 17:40
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35480841)
So was Christopher Jeffries. Let's please remember what the law says about people who have not been accused or found guilty of anything.
To be fair to me Chris, i was just pointing out that he would have been arrested for a very good reason I.E As a suspect. I didn`t say that i thought he was guilty or anything did i?.

Chris 03-10-2012 17:44
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35480832)
The trouble is if this guys is innocent his life is ruined as he will always be pointed out, by people.
As of this precise moment, there is no 'if' about it. His legal status is clear, clean, innocent and unblemished. That can only change *if* he is charged, tried and convicted. *If* that process is set in motion, it would not be concluded for many months.

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35480844)
To be fair to me Chris, i was just pointing out that he would have been arrested for a very good reason I.E As a suspect. I didn`t say that i thought he was guilty or anything did i?.
As you were responding to a post that drew attention to the negative consequences of merely having been arrested, your post had the appearance to me of suggesting "there's no smoke without fire". I'm glad that is not the case.

budwieser 03-10-2012 17:57
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35480846)
As of this precise moment, there is no 'if' about it. His legal status is clear, clean, innocent and unblemished. That can only change *if* he is charged, tried and convicted. *If* that process is set in motion, it would not be concluded for many months.

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As you were responding to a post that drew attention to the negative consequences of merely having been arrested, your post had the appearance to me of suggesting "there's no smoke without fire". I'm glad that is not the case.
Would i?.................:angel::D

Gary L 03-10-2012 18:40
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35480846)
As of this precise moment, there is no 'if' about it. His legal status is clear, clean, innocent and unblemished. That can only change *if* he is charged, tried and convicted. *If* that process is set in motion, it would not be concluded for many months.
So, as you say. if he is innocent.
if he didn't have anything to do with it.
if he isn't found guilty of anything.

Chris 03-10-2012 19:18
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35480882)
So, as you say. if he is innocent.
if he didn't have anything to do with it.
if he isn't found guilty of anything.
At the risk of repeating myself - there is no 'if he is innocent'. That sentence creates a presumption of guilt, requiring the 'if' to be proven.

As of right now, he *is* innocent.

Gary L 03-10-2012 19:46
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35480905)
At the risk of repeating myself - there is no 'if he is innocent'. That sentence creates a presumption of guilt, requiring the 'if' to be proven.

As of right now, he *is* innocent.
Ok. if he didn't do it. means that he didn't do it. at least until it can be proved that he did do it. because as of right now he didn't do it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "if he is innocent of whatever" in relation to anything and anyone.
it just means "if he didn't do whatever"

danielf 03-10-2012 19:47
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35480846)
As of this precise moment, there is no 'if' about it. His legal status is clear, clean, innocent and unblemished. That can only change *if* he is charged, tried and convicted.
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35480905)
At the risk of repeating myself - there is no 'if he is innocent'. That sentence creates a presumption of guilt, requiring the 'if' to be proven.

As of right now, he *is* innocent.
So why are his name and address all over the media and the web?

Gary L 03-10-2012 19:49
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35480931)
So why are his name and address all over the media and the web?
Because they think he might have something to do with it.

he might be completely innocent.
they'll let us know soon enough I expect.

Derek 03-10-2012 20:04
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35480931)
So why are his name and address all over the media and the web?
The media are so desparate for an angle on this they haven't learnt from the last time a person was pulled in for a high profile case only to find he wasn't involved and had only, for reasons that remain a mystery, given conflicting statements to neighbors, media and the Police.

These days anominity wouldn't work due to social media and 24 hour news but until he is charged you can't say he's involved and until he is tried you can't say he's guilty.

Gary L 03-10-2012 20:07
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From what I heard. it was the police who wanted his arrest to be disclosed to the media, Derek.
to raise the awareness of it all or something.

slowcoach 03-10-2012 20:29
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I hope for his sake he isn't the village idiot, again....

Chris 03-10-2012 21:06
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35480931)
So why are his name and address all over the media and the web?
All sorts of reasons, none of which provide any justification for eroding this man's basic right in law not to be treated as guilty until a jury of his peers has heard whatever evidence there is and has reached a verdict.

Hom3r 03-10-2012 21:20
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My point is if he is proven 100% innocent there will still be people out there that will think he was involved, and he will be hounded out of jobs and homes.

I believe anybody arrested/questioned in relation to crimes against children should be given 100% annonimity.

Damien 03-10-2012 21:36
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was probably released because they haven't found the girl and think someone's memory will be jogged by seeing his face, or a local will know something about his whereabouts. The police would be equally in trouble if it turned out this guy was somehow involved and his "human rights" prevented them from getting information that could have helped.

martyh 03-10-2012 21:57
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35480980)
was probably released because they haven't found the girl and think someone's memory will be jogged by seeing his face, or a local will know something about his whereabouts. The police would be equally in trouble if it turned out this guy was somehow involved and his "human rights" prevented them from getting information that could have helped.
Listening to the Jeremy Vine program today the police spokesman said they released his name because there was no point not saying anything because as soon as he was arrested it was all over Facebook posted by locals who witnessed his arrest


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