Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399047)

But if they took over a budget airline, then the airlines would not have to reduce standards on their non-low-cost service, also BA are buting BMI as well, Air Berlin is not a budget airline and is part of the same alliance as BA/Iberia

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399047)

I know I traveled on thr worse one, but even that put me off, some like budget airlines (like yourself) and some do not (like myself)

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35399151)

There are 4 main airline markets:

• Cargo
• Business/Sheduled
• Charter
• Budget, which is basically like a bus service

Many business passengers will usually travel with the likes of BA, although many are now complaining about BA's standards dropping.

Charter airlines are used mainly for package holidays.

Budget are a bus service by air.

Air Berlin are not part of the BA/Iberia group (unless this has only just happened). And although they are not a budget airline as such, they do dabble in that sector, with very cheap flights on some routes.

BA could learn a lot from Air Berlin, by using supply on demand. After all we are in a worldwide recession, so many business flights no longer go business class, they go budget instead. THey really nood to move with the times, and adjust accordingly.



Yes you travelled on the worst one, so you are in no position to judge the others.

We all like to be pampered, not just you Alan. But for those who aren't rich, then it makes sense to go for the best value. When I fly trans atlantic, then I would rather have a comfortable seat, good entertainment, and a nice meal (or two). But if I'm flying out to may appatment in Mallorca, then it's a two hour flight (it takes longer to drive to visit my mother in Yorkshire). So I will usually just read a book, or look at the view, which when it is clear can make the time fly by. I can easily manage for two hours without a meal, but I can buy food if I want to.

The view is no better from a BA flight, than it is from a budget one:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/39.jpg

You need to lear to understand business Alan. BA don't compete with the budget airlines, because they are stuck in the past. If they want to move on during a recession, then they need to follow Air Berlin's example Supply on demand

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399160)

What BA need to do is buy EasyJet along with what you have suggested, I accept a lot of people like to travel on Low cost airlines, but for now, I am yet to be convinced. However, for the end of the year I will give EasyJet a try
Also Air Berlin is part of the Oneworld airline alliance which also has American Airlines, BA and Iberia as well

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399160)

Lastly, do you own or rent an apartment on Mallorca?

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35399226)

BA can't afford to buy Easyjet, and would probably ruin it if they did.



I don't know what that has got to do with you, or the subject issue?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399246)

Well if I was running BA I would buy Easyjet and let them be, after all flying low cost or not, BA will get the profit

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399246)

Well if I was running BA I would buy Easyjet and let them be, after all flying low cost or not, BA will get the profit

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35399275)

That's why you're not running BA, or any other large business. You are quick to offer an opinion but if your prodigious post rate has proved anything, it's that you largely comment from your position in orbit around some planet other than this one.

Publicly-traded companies like BA cannot just buy up other companies in order to 'get the profit'. Buying another company on that scale is a vastly complex and expensive business. It costs a lot of money to do it - money that belongs to BA shareholders who could, if they wished, simply take out of BA by selling their BA shares and then invest in Easyjet instead. That would be a rather more efficient use of capital.

A PLC's remit is to enhance shareholder value, not destroy it, or even hold it static (which in a market economy is the same as destroying it). BA would have to show how buying Easyjet would *improve* return on capital employed. It won't try to buy that company because it's unlikely it old show any such thing.

Oh, and the competition commission would probably have something to say about it too.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35399275)

That's why you're not running BA, or any other large business. You are quick to offer an opinion but if your prodigious post rate has proved anything, it's that you largely comment from your position in orbit around some planet other than this one.

Publicly-traded companies like BA cannot just buy up other companies in order to 'get the profit'. Buying another company on that scale is a vastly complex and expensive business. It costs a lot of money to do it - money that belongs to BA shareholders who could, if they wished, simply take out of BA by selling their BA shares and then invest in Easyjet instead. That would be a rather more efficient use of capital.

A PLC's remit is to enhance shareholder value, not destroy it, or even hold it static (which in a market economy is the same as destroying it). BA would have to show how buying Easyjet would *improve* return on capital employed. It won't try to buy that company because it's unlikely it old show any such thing.

Oh, and the competition commission would probably have something to say about it too.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399297)

BA could say that they will gain a large share of a market they do not operate, also there could be savings in a BA/EasyJet merger, it would also increase its profits as well, as for competition, there is Ryanair and Virgin Atlantic

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35399301)

Get your head out of the clouds Alan, and actually read what people are telling you. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399297)

BA could say that they will gain a large share of a market they do not operate, also there could be savings in a BA/EasyJet merger, it would also increase its profits as well, as for competition, there is Ryanair and Virgin Atlantic

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35399311)

If BA argued they could make cost savings with a combined BA/Easyjet company, they could not be said to be leaving Easyjet 'untouched' as you earlier suggested. You're just making all this up as you go along, aren't you!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399310)

I am reading what people are telling me and I have responded, BA needs to take over Easyjet to improve its financial performace

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35399328)

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399327)

I meant, EasyJet will remain a low cost airline, but its back office and stuff like check in etc would be were there could be savings (along with BAs as well)

Ba and Easyjet will also learn the best practises from each other as well

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399330)

Not a cash takeover, but maybe a stock takeover (or even a merger)

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35399332)

So they would bleed Easyjet dry then?

I suppose you are also going to suggest that they only use one super airport?

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Hmm, so you think a successful and profitable airline like Easyjet would want to merge with a struggling and unprofitable airline like BA do you??? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Maybe you should be on the apprentice :D