Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

They actually don't want to change the packaging now, do they?
I think their mates have told them that they're not so appealing to the junkies in plain packaging. and that they'll lose money.

so it looks like we'll be keeping the packaging.

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

Good for you I wish I had the courage to ask someone not to smoke, this has happened to me and I have just wrapped up my lunch and walked away as the smell of smoke makes me feel sick ... so well done you :clap:

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

Smokers should not pollute another persons air. Smoking in cars, drinking, mobile phones should be banned while the car is in motion. You should be concentrating on driving and nothing else.

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

You forgot eating, talking, reading advertising signs, reading road signs, looking at the dashboard, doing your make up and singing.

it's a bit like where the council say you can't obstruct the pavement because blind people and women with prams can't get through. but the same council has whole streets full up with wheelie bins that the blind man is constantly falling over all the way along to the end.

the council say, you'll have to walk in the road today. mind the cars.

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

you forgot that doing these things does not introduce carcinogens into childrens bodies which could give them cancer in later life.....

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

If only all drivers were reasonable decent people but far to many are selfish in a hurry and just damn reckless

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

This big brother knows better mind of thinking (Orwellian 1984 through crimes) will never work.... as the saying goes... "more you push... more will push back" basically they could have all the laws they want but if the population doesn't care or want it ... it's not going to work from the start...my guess is it's about gathering even more money from fines from the tax paying public that are ill informed that pay them but don't have pay them at all.
The best way to stop all your problems my fellow smokers out there is replace that packet of fags for vaping/E cig... it's much cleaner, cheaper oh yes the smoking ban doesn't cover it at all for banning it in closed or public places even work or driving in a company car/van - you have to give it to the free market to come up with a habit that helps you get of the fag for good ;)

Yet the tobacco companies have been forced to get into E juice market as they see the money gathered from normal fags being all but gone in few years time, yet trying to ban the use of E cig's in some places. Licensing of the market was move by the government on behalf of the tobacco industry to control it spread with limiting the MG of nicotine & then jacking up the price to regain the profits from normal fag sales. It not working you government idiots :)

In a new Canadian study on E juice comparing: Marlboro cigarettes, cheap Chinese E juice & premium E juice injecting the juice from each to heart cells then counting how many survived over a period. Guess which one was best overall? any guesses ....

1st# Premium E juice
2nd# Cheap Chinese E juice
3rd# Marlboro cigarettes
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I sorry to go off track here but I have to say Hugh, all the present & future generation are already screwed from all the contaminated food they eating to heavy metals in breakfast cereals plus harmful food additives eg: just a few.... are you going to be looking out for them ? Don't even think about food from MacDonald's, KFC, Pizza hut or any fast food outlets are better there much worse than you think..it fully loaded with all type of nasties :td:

MSG - Monosodium Glutamate; a flavour enhancer/colour agent - a powerful neurotoxin - ever get that hunger for those potato chips? after eating ..... it's the MSG not the crisps -it's highly additive. In the professional minds quote" a degenerative effect on the brain and nervous system"

Artificial sweeteners - (untested Monsanto products = human illness)
Aspartame > (tried 2 times to get approval for product 1978/79 3rd time passing after taking out the risk part of the study - 1980 first to be used in "diet coke" It's in your proscribed medication/tablets you take too
> Aspartame K; later released without proper a human effect study
> Neotame (new)(untold dangerous effects)
> Sucrose; Glucose-Fructose syrup; all GMO - BT corn products untested on human effects that contains levels of pesticide within the foods; sound safe?

Soya - Lecithin; maltodextrin - GMO soya + pesticide within it

GMO's which causes you guessed it right, again more cancers of the organs too many types to count - see the study with mice that was fed a GMO diet after 12 weeks?

Mercury in injections given at all ages - it the standard preserving agent call Thiomersal - guess what it does .... kills brain cells

The unsafe MMR with not least; Aluminium (Autism) in with Thimerosal Look up the cases through New Zealand for more issues.

The Flu shot - doesn't work 56 % more chance of getting it after the shot plus encase y our wondering it also contains the live h1n1 virus - then making you a carrier for rest to catch it after.... go figure plus not forgetting Thimerosal again !

Hydrogenated/Brominated vegetable oil in food + soft drinks - basically a industrial flame retardant... yummy !

Fluorides - tooth paste; crop pesticide - causes delayed brain development in children, lowers your IQ (was used by the Germans in WW2 in prison camps) Some places it's in your water, one company in UK does it.
Another powerful neurotoxin with dangerous un-reversible side effects.

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

im a smoker and yes i do smoke in my car,but not when children in car,and even when adults in car i always say is it ok and always have my window down even if raining.but i must say this law is a waste of time.a while ago i was at the local hospital and went outside for a smoke,as i lit my fag a man sitting about 6 feet away from me started moaning (typical non smoker)he said i shouldant have to sit ere breathing your smoke in,so i told him to f*****f somewere else and the reason for this was he was sat right were 6 taxi,s were stationed all with there engins running,so to me he was just a typical non smoker who thinks all smokers have just dropped out of a dogs a***,even my local asda as no smoking sighns in the trolly bays what a joke when theres hundreds of cars all round them churning out carbon monoxide ,which i belive is is so much more bad for you than fag smoke.oh and before all non smokers get on there high horses and say you cost the nhs a fortune just remember for every pound it cost to treat a smoker they have paid an avarage of £3 on tax for fags,oh and dont forget if everybody stopped smoking were would they get the extra tax money from.so stop moaning and just think of all the poisens you throw out when you start your car out side schools and when you drive past play areas hypocrits

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

Excellent logic - if we can't stop everything that could damage our childrens health, we shouldn't stop anything.....

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

I agree with you Hugh.
it's no good singling out one. when there's obvious ones just staring you in the face.

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

Quote "oh and dont forget if everybody stopped smoking were would they get the extra tax money from.so stop moaning"

They'd probably save money from not having to treat smokers for breathing diseases and cancer!

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

They'd save some. but they'd still have to put the taxes up on a lot of other things we buy to make up the big short fall they'll have lost.

the scary thing is that one of the main reasons they want to ban electronic cigarettes is the big loss of income they will get. and the big loss of income that they are already experiencing.
you hear them saying that millions of pounds of cuts here and there make a big difference. with cigarettes. you're talking billions.

they want us to smoke. they need us to smoke.
and they'll throw something in like they have with smoking, to make it sound like they don't want us to smoke.

so whether you like it or not. you need us to smoke.
just think of us as an essential thing like a car. and the hospital treatment as running costs :)

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

That why the tobacco lobbyists are on the bandwagon drumming up the anti for banning the E cig as to every guess right, they've had it too good for too long greasing the wheels of power in governments electoral years.

They banned the use of them in some places, as that state get funding from tobacco companies or indirectly for state elections funny how money corrupts over public interest on large level. Given the price on fags these days, if I was a smoker - I'd be on the E cig's not long after any price rise due government tax it's a no brainier plus you can get lot of MG levels (high - low -none) not mention the different flavours you could enjoy think about for a minute, you get that from a fag of different brands my guess you don't. Last point like all things in life eg: nicotine you get different grades as the pro movement to banning of E cig's won't point out is it's the same liquid nicotine you get in (nicotine) smokers chewing gum & patches which I remember right was the same products they put on the market to the need of people quitting the habit from pressure from the government.
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Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

every one blames fags for cancer and never a mention of the hundreds of nuclear tests around the word to see who has the biggest stick to bash their neighbour with . as for smoking in cars educate don't legislate .

Re: Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

people smoking in cars is horrific for passive smoking and other affects, its ok if the window is open but when my dad lights up he actually shuts his window at the same time, I have an eye condition that flares up very quickly when adjacent to smoke.

Its a bit of a tough one tho as a car assuming the driver is the owner is considered a private space so its not the same thing as banning smoking in pubs.