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the-cable-guy 07-03-2011 01:21
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35188250)
which is why some are called spoon fed idiots and could not even wire up a 3 pin plug without help :LOL:
lol some people are just plain thick mate simple as lol

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Originally Posted by robbo71 (Post 35188391)
Yes they do apparently.
thats how many people get a live feed they get the lowest broadband & get TV illegally for free

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Originally Posted by WillPS (Post 35188443)
This forum narks me off sometimes.

Somebody comes on and asks a legitimate question about using a piece of equipment to receive services on a piece of equipment VM do not authorise (but just about every other DVB-C system are fine with). VM staffers then effectively lynch the guy, accusing him of trying to hack in to paid for channels.

I've said it once, I'll say it again - it's a joke how little access you're supposed to have to a telecommunications line coming in to your house! This is the sort of thing the GPO were renowned for!

Wanting to receive channels on an unauthorised piece of equipment is not a crime and certainly isn't immoral.
actually the OP didnt make it clear if he wanted every channel or not & he may have just said FTA so that he wouldnt get banned. as for using unauthorised equipment while its not illegal it breaks VM's T&C

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Originally Posted by robbo71 (Post 35188495)
It is already been established that there are DVB-C channels that are not scrambled being sent to homes, so yes, by the generally understood UK definition of FTA,there are FTA channels.


Also, perhaps I'm missing the relevance of Sky showing codes on the screen during football matches, but these would be aimed I believe at those trying to use domestic subs in public premises (pubs/clubs), whereby a Sky spy would get the card disabled. Sky Italia certainly were doing this successfully.

Since only Sky can officially supply the pubs, Virgin would have no need for this. Though they have put up channels that only illegal boxes would find, with a message aiming to scare the dimmest of cable pirates into paying for their services.
yes thats correct

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Originally Posted by robbo71 (Post 35188500)
Yes, the pubs have a Pint glass, and would obviously help identify a legitimate commercial subscriber, but for the ones that are not, the numbers on screen would make it very easy to identify the culprit domestic card, and get it disabled.
& thats what The Pub Channel on Sky is for

mersey70 07-03-2011 12:02
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
I know the pub versions of Sky Sports and ESPN don't appear in the domestic EPG and subsequently the domestic versions don't appear in a commecial EPG so it would be glaringly obvious if a pub was using a domestic subscription anyway. And I read they use unique trailers when the adverts are on which do not appear on a commercial subscription and on the other hand unique pub related advertising with commercial subscriptions too, I cannot say I have noticed myself. As far as I recall though I didn't notice the glass on Sky 3D when I have watched matches at a bar.

I also read some pubs were even putting a glass sticker on their screens but they now use different coloured glass dogs and change the position so an inspector could spot them. But as has been said that wouldn't help them with the serial number appearing on screen anyway.

I must say that although i'm not a frequent visitor to pubs I don't recall anyone using a domestic Sky subscription anyway, and of course lots of outlets seemingly still use use overseas packages too

Ignitionnet 07-03-2011 13:48
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35188110)
They are not authorised by VM its as simple as that, So there is no need for emotive Kitten responses to try and score points at the expense of others :). Bet you would not be happy if your customers were messing with your network kit when they should not be or are stealing service that they should pay for. ???
It's the ongoing over-reaction that's the funny part.

As a reminder there are tens of millions of homes with cable where once the cable reaches their premises the customer can do whatever they want with it and they run ok.

Employees seem to be getting more and more zealous, quite unnecessarily. The guy asked a perfectly reasonable question and it wasn't a precursor to stealing service, if he'd wanted to try to steal service he would not be using a CAMless cable card.

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35188390)
As it uses the same cable as the broadband but on a different frequency the is no way to stop it but you need the correct kit to decode it, hence if the are no services at a property and a neighbour becomes a customer then the is every likelihood that that tap will be used to connect the new customer.
There are notched filters available that VM could use if they chose to - in many areas blocking everything bar return path and 295 - 343MHz downstream would be quite adequate. These could be attached at the tap of BBI only customers to ensure that BBI is all they get.

the-cable-guy 07-03-2011 20:19
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35188643)
I know the pub versions of Sky Sports and ESPN don't appear in the domestic EPG and subsequently the domestic versions don't appear in a commecial EPG so it would be glaringly obvious if a pub was using a domestic subscription anyway. And I read they use unique trailers when the adverts are on which do not appear on a commercial subscription and on the other hand unique pub related advertising with commercial subscriptions too, I cannot say I have noticed myself. As far as I recall though I didn't notice the glass on Sky 3D when I have watched matches at a bar.

I also read some pubs were even putting a glass sticker on their screens but they now use different coloured glass dogs and change the position so an inspector could spot them. But as has been said that wouldn't help them with the serial number appearing on screen anyway.

I must say that although i'm not a frequent visitor to pubs I don't recall anyone using a domestic Sky subscription anyway, and of course lots of outlets seemingly still use use overseas packages too
thats correct & now your allowed to get subscriptions if your a business from a company that is in another country

robbo71 07-03-2011 20:52
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35188702)
Employees seem to be getting more and more zealous, quite unnecessarily. The guy asked a perfectly reasonable question and it wasn't a precursor to stealing service...

Yes, that reminds me, does anyone know the answer to the orig question? :D

mersey70 07-03-2011 21:20
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 35188963)
thats correct & now your allowed to get subscriptions if your a business from a company that is in another country
You are jumping the gun a bit on subscriptions from abroad.

No decision has been made yet. All that has happened is the Advocate General of The European Court of Justice has made a recomendation along those lines, nothing more at this stage.

The ECJ will rule later this year.

moowow! 07-03-2011 22:18
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35188643)
I know the pub versions of Sky Sports and ESPN don't appear in the domestic EPG and subsequently the domestic versions don't appear in a commecial EPG so it would be glaringly obvious if a pub was using a domestic subscription anyway. And I read they use unique trailers when the adverts are on which do not appear on a commercial subscription and on the other hand unique pub related advertising with commercial subscriptions too, I cannot say I have noticed myself. As far as I recall though I didn't notice the glass on Sky 3D when I have watched matches at a bar.

I also read some pubs were even putting a glass sticker on their screens but they now use different coloured glass dogs and change the position so an inspector could spot them. But as has been said that wouldn't help them with the serial number appearing on screen anyway.

I must say that although i'm not a frequent visitor to pubs I don't recall anyone using a domestic Sky subscription anyway, and of course lots of outlets seemingly still use use overseas packages too
I never come across a pub using a domestic sky sub on a sky box, but i have come across the few that use a VM box to show sky sports, thats is just as bad, one pub had the VM box on display for all to see, and another the epg came up a few times, the area i live in is a very very popular area for virgin media

dsmuk 07-03-2011 22:32
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
I bought a Sony TV at Christmas that is able to tune in cable channels, only got the BBC and ITV channels and about 5 versions of Channel 4.

Also picked up loads of on demand feeds, could see TV shows coming on and being fast forwarded and stopped.

mersey70 07-03-2011 22:46
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsmuk (Post 35189092)
I bought a Sony TV at Christmas that is able to tune in cable channels, only got the BBC and ITV channels and about 5 versions of Channel 4.

Also picked up loads of on demand feeds, could see TV shows coming on and being fast forwarded and stopped.
My Samsung has a cable tuner too and periodically I have had a nosey to see if anything new is testing but I couldnt answer the OP's question as it has auto tune, I have no idea what the frequencies are.

The FTA channels come in loud and clear, no on demand feeds though, BBC red button streams and that's it. Loads of BBC/ITV regions and even RTE's channels appear in the list but no actual video appears for the other regions except my local ones.

Virtually everything is of course scrambled.

borrissey 07-03-2011 22:49
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
:juggle:
:ghugs:

the-cable-guy 08-03-2011 00:58
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35189029)
You are jumping the gun a bit on subscriptions from abroad.

No decision has been made yet. All that has happened is the Advocate General of The European Court of Justice has made a recomendation along those lines, nothing more at this stage.

The ECJ will rule later this year.
actually they have said that shes ok to do it atm but a final decision hasnt been made

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Originally Posted by dsmuk (Post 35189092)
I bought a Sony TV at Christmas that is able to tune in cable channels, only got the BBC and ITV channels and about 5 versions of Channel 4.

Also picked up loads of on demand feeds, could see TV shows coming on and being fast forwarded and stopped.
i highly doubt that you got on demand

mersey70 08-03-2011 01:01
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 35189212)
actually they have said that shes ok to do it atm but a final decision hasnt been made

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i highly doubt that you got on demand
That is incorrect.

She had long since stopped using that system after she was fined. She, like everyone else has to await the ECJ ruling. No one is allowed to legally susbcribe to a territorial foreign subscription service yet. They simply do not hold broadcast rights for the United Kingdom and that is the main issue that will be getting considered, how rights will be marketed in future. It will take months for the rulng, and quite possibly years to sort out the rights issues. It is a mess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12355022

robbo71 08-03-2011 01:16
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
At the moment everyone is waiting for the final ruling. But in the meantime pubs and clubs are not being prosecuted for using European providers to show football matches.The sky spies can only sit back and drink their beer, unless a sky card from Europe is in use.
Sky's commercial fees are a rip off anyway. Competition is badly needed.

the-cable-guy 08-03-2011 01:18
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35189220)
That is incorrect.

She had long since stopped using that system after she was fined. She, like everyone else has to await the ECJ ruling. No one is allowed to legally susbcribe to a territorial foreign subscription service yet. They simply do not hold broadcast rights for the United Kingdom and that is the main issue that will be getting considered, how rights will be marketed in future. It will take months for the rulng, and quite possibly years to sort out the rights issues. It is a mess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12355022
thats not what was said on the news

mersey70 08-03-2011 01:28
Re: VM Tv Transponders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 35189224)
thats not what was said on the news
It is on the news I have watched and read.

She obtained that subscription through a third party. You still cannot obtain that card she had legally but if you want to you are free to try!!! They simply do not hold rights outside of Greece. That's what needs sorting out and it's obviously a mammoth task to resolve.


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