Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

Exactly and yet you get people moaning about proposed the price of the box, if you think its to dear then do not bother posting about it as plenty of others like you cannot wait.

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

Yeah if you get the call and don't want it , I'll have it LOL :D

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

I am staff so my deal would be rather different to yours;)

But I am happy with my V+.:D

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:rofl: Good one!

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

The monthly fee is for a cable tv service which includes rental and "free" repairs of equipment. When did it become the norm that companies started charging for the "luxury" of being able to record tv? Oh yeah, when Sky started it...all their fault!

Listen to your own ceo in the investor presentations, next one on Thursday. He frequently makes reference to equipment costs and how the cost is clawed back via monthly rental charges, including "telephone line" rental, a charge of course which is nothing at all to with telephones.

As a VM spokesman recently said to paidContent:uk "we’re changing the terminology - we’re calling it an upfront rental fee.”

All well and good as it's rental, vm get the box back at the end of the rental period. But as its rental when does the customer get the "upfront rental fee" back? The answer of course, is that don't. So it ain't rental, it's a purchase and a purchase for VM using a customer's money.

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When do you ever get a rental fee back? That's not how it works

If you go to Avis and rent a car for a weekend and pay them an upfront rental fee as agreed in their price list, do you get it back when you return the car? No you don't

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All the comparisons with Sky over what they charge for their stbs is getting on my nerves.

Sky don't rent equipment. Sky has never been a rental service. Cable is a rental service.

Why can't people understand this basic fact? If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront.

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

Except of course when you do - as I just said Car Rental is one example where you pay upfront for something you rent

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

Oh boy, you folks must be paid by vm to post on here......:D

If you rent a car, you do not pay for the entire cost of that car to rent it. You pay something called a rental fee, which is a fraction of what the car actually costs.

VM are not asking for a "upfront rental fee", they are asking customers to purchase the equipment and then pay again to rent it from vm. Bloody cheek it is too and I suspect illegal.:mad::td:

I'm going to look into this and if I'm right, I'm bringing out the big guns. If companies think they can do what they want, they will.

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

And you're not paying the entire cost of TiVo. The monthly cost is for the channels/VoD provided.

The bit you are missing in your argument is.... how does the equipment get paid for? Someones got to pay for it. You can't get it from monthly subs as it would make it way too expensive.

Pay it and get the service or don't pay it and get nothing. Simples!

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But you still pay it upfront, which you just said you never do?

If I hire a car I do indeed pay the entire cost of renting the car upfront.

Rental fees are just that, they don't suddenly stop when the cost of whatever is being rented is paid for, as what is being rented also need to be maintained, serviced etc. There are more costs than just the initial purchase

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the concept of what renting is then.

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No its not simples.

VM's monthly fee is not just for services like tv channels and vod. It includes equipment rental charges too. Ask your own bosses if you think this is incorrect and while you're at it ask them what the telephone line rental charge is really for? A clue, it ain't for renting a bit of old copper wire.

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The network, perhaps? http://www.addemoticons.com/emoticon...icons04280.gif

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

well its not for the phone you have to buy one
dont know if its still the case but bt made you pay for installing a phone line then charge you a rental fee for it as well
https://www.productsandservices.bt.c...ction%20charge

Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 

No, I didn't.


Of course you pay the entire rental fee! You do not purchase the car though, do you? If you rent a fiesta for a week, you pay a couple of hundred quid in rental fees. The rental company never says you have to pay 10k+ upfront for it, because you're renting it, not purchasing it.


Of course, how is this paragraph relevant though? Although it answers an earlier point very well about how does vm recoup the cost of the equipment. It recoups the cost of the equipment by continuing to charge monthly rental fees long after the equipment has been paid for. It's called renting, something VM used to do....


We will as you don't understand what renting is. Renting is not paying for the entire cost of the equipment upfront as vm are asking customers to do for tivo, then having the double cheek to ask for additional monthly rental fees on top.