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Do you not consider such a bill as a campaign? If not, why not?

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No, because it's a private member's bill.

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Erm, why do I have to disprove your assertion that a Private Members Bill, backed 11 Tory MPs, is proof of Surely the onus is upon you to prove your assertion?:dozey:

How is it growing, and who, besides the aforementioned 11 MPs, are the rank and file that are growing it?

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Now there's a question. I wonder if we'll get an answer.... :D

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Oh right,.... that'd be why then... :D

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Some opponents of the Minimum Wage that I didn't know about - BBC

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No it depicts members of the hunt not an mp and any hint of the law being repealed will be a vote winner for those people.

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Not aimed at you personally but surely they would be the stereotypical Tory toffs and vote Tory whatever happens?

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Most people should be aware by now that apart from the main organisers of the hunt most hunt followers are not stereotypical toffs as they are either farm workers or live in the area and have been brought up with the hunt as a normal way of life, not unlike the average football fan.

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Interesting report there on the min wage. Britian will do wrong to just concentrate on high skill tho since it then causes a problem for the 10s of millions of adults who are unskilled.

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Best get them skilled in that case. Everyone beyond those extremely disabled will be able to get skills.

Unsure if it's fair on the British adult to describe 10s of millions of us as unskilled :(

We can't compete with somewhere like China on cost of unskilled labour so short of extensive subsidies which make jobs rather pointless from the country's point of view we have to look at a balancing act.

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Optimistic hoping that most people will be aware of that :)

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How do you get people skilled tho?

Usually you learn a skill during work or will need to do some type of training/education course which costs money.

Even after all this is taken into account skilled work does not provide mass employment thats what unskilled work does.

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For me it was simple. I got off my butt and made sure i made something of my life by going to college or night school instead of holding my hand out and shouting "give me give me give me"

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How do you propose generating additional unskilled work?

A focus on skilled jobs is necessary to avoid those people who have spent their time and likely some tax payers' money learning those skills taking them elsewhere. These people are more and more mobile and indeed are taking their skills elsewhere more and more.

Focus on ensuring people can avoid underemployment and so keep their higher tax payments flowing to UK coffers not elsewhere, along with welfare state reform to ensure that those who have no interest in skills can't turn their noses up at unskilled work is necessary. Outside of exceptional projects and infrastructure the government cannot generate unskilled work.

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Training in a number of things is available free of charge or subsidised, there's a big focus on it at the moment.

If people can't be bothered that's their prerogative. It should be absolutely ensured that there is no way for someone to be better off on welfare than working, and to ensure that those who ignore the carrot in terms of training, and refuse work are then treated appropriately - fairly, but harshly.

I'm quite a fan of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemplo...enefits#Canada actually over our existing system.

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Well example I can give is someone was doing a plumbing course, his only income was JSA and couldnt afford to pay the travel costs as was some distance to the training location.

Job centre refused to at least assist in the costs.

To sirius sorry life isnt that simple, its ok saying I went to life school or college, but how was it paid for? you had savings? family member help out? or perhaps your current job had a good enough wage so you had enough to pay for it and ongoing living costs. Or is there free training/education in your area perhaps?

All I know is that there was a load of cuts in my area to schemes that were designed to get people skills, the cuts were done for 2 reasons.

1 - The money funding these schemes ran out.
2 - The skills people learned turned out to be useless as there was no jobs for those skills in the area.

By mass employment I mean we cant have 5 million solicitors, a million accountants, 10 million teachers and so on. There is only so many skilled jobs and the rest gets filled by shelf stackers, mcdonalds, cleaners etc.

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I paid for it by not going to the pub or buying stuff i did not need and by working all hours that i could. I realised that if i wanted to get on there had to be some financial pain at the beginning. I see to many these days that are more happy to sit on the dole while doing cash in hand work and then complaining the Government don't do enough to help them. Parasites on humanity is what they are. :mad: