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Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by Spectato (Post 35001220)

Couldn't agree more, but it's definitely time for Labour to go.
They've been in far too long and got too comfortable and complacent, like they all do.
It's worth voting just to be rid of Mandy, Prescott and Brown.

Can't vote for Cameron because he's Tony Bleugh reincarnated.
Lib-Dem is the only option as I see it, and that's really the closest thing to not voting anyway! :D

:Yes:

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

At this rate, Labour might have to be the minority party in a Lab-LibDem coalition.....:D

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35001200)

Labour have not said anything that will change my mind . There treatment of the armed forces and the extra NI costs they intend to heap on me are just a couple of the reasons....The liberals still have not convinced me they can be trusted to defend this country's rights and i don't like there obvious sucking up to Labour. Again they have no real plans and Clegg gives me the impression he will be happy to be Browns right hand man in a coalition

Lib Dems have said they will increase Army pay to bring it in-line with other public sector workers.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35001241)

Lib Dems have said they will increase Army pay to bring it in-line with other public sector workers.

Thats not my problem,My problem is the tree hugging nature of them. Role over and let anyone walk all over us is what i see in them. They will sign us up to any stupid idea Europe has, They WILL sign up to the Euro the first chance they get that you can bet. No i still think they need a good few years more before i can consider them.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001099)

* 1,100 new schools built or old schools rebuilt good

And how are these being paid for? By cold, hard cash or by some dodgy PFI scheme where the money is spread out over 20-30 years and off the books to try and make the national deficit even less scary than it is.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001099)

* 24 hour drinking laws, sale of alcohol on a Sunday

Yep the liberalisation of drinking laws has been a great success, you only need to go down the local high street each Friday or Saturday night to see how the British have taken to the continental drinking culture.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001099)

* Lowest UK murder rate for over 20 years

* 14,000 more police officers on the streets

* There are more police on our streets than ever before, up 14,000 since 1997

* Police pay up 27% in real terms

Hmmmm, more police but less than ever actually doing 'policework' thanks to reams and reams of paperwork foisted on them. Murder might be down but violent crime is up.

If Labour are such friends of the Police and law and order try checking out some of the Police blogs to see how much support they are giving them in their quest for re-election.

Murders may well be down thanks to improvements in medical care, wounds that would have been fatal 5-10 years ago are now mostly survivable, which leads me on to.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001099)

* A vastly improved NHS service

* The largest hospital building programme since the NHS began: 149 hospitals built or being built, the Tories built one.

* Nurses pay increased by 58%

And a huge increase in the number of managers and the cost of them to the service. Plus as in schools most of these are being paid for by costly PFI schemes.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

Are we not on "WEEK 2" now?

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35001277)

Are we not on "WEEK 2" now?

A week is a long time in politics.:D

A quote from Harold Wilson.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35001277)

Are we not on "WEEK 2" now?

See post #394 and the last bit of post #400. :)

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

It will be interesting to see if there are any changes to the polls after the TV debate tomorrow.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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This Party is a moral crusade or it is nothing

Another quote from Harold Wilson which all the Tories will love.:D

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 35001294)

See post #394 and the last bit of post #400. :)

Ta muchly :)

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 35001298)

Another quote from Harold Wilson which all the Tories will love.:D

I think the best one is 'Whoever wins, we lose". Or was that from a film :confused: :D

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35001277)

Are we not on "WEEK 2" now?

Just to re-state it (as you're probably not the only one wondering), the election campaign isn't four precise weeks in length, it's a calendar month long, so that's four weeks and a couple of days. We either made the week 1 thread or the week 4 thread run for those extra couple of days, or else have a week 5 thread that only lasted 2 days. We went for the first option.

This thread will remain open until first thing tomorrow morning. It will then be closed and a link provided to the week 2 thread, which will have a fresh opinion poll for everyone to vote on.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

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"The document discloses that his military planning allows for some of the WMD to be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them."

If we are doing quotes......

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

Lib Dem manifesto at a glance:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...to-at-a-glance

Opinion piece on the Lib Dem's economic policies:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...conomic-policy

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35001107)

Shame about the record on Civil Liberties though...

George Orwell would be rickrolling in his grave.

I'll give them the Human Rights Act, though. That was (& still is) A Good Thing... just a shame they then developed a habit of violating it with their anti-terror laws.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35001108)

Not to mention illegal wars and the economy......

Yup... :mad:

Going back to the list of stuff Flyboy posted...

There are two I consider to have been rather half-arsed measures:

* Scrapped the majority of hereditary peers in the House of Lords

* Devolved power to Scotland

Re. the Lords - Why, after 13 years in power, have they still not gone further & removed the remaining Peers & fully reformed the upper house?

[although as an aside, I do actually have respect for the Lords, despite previously hating it for being unelected... The Lords have shown more than once that they can be a good force against the Government's crap with some laws]

Re. Devolution - THE WEST LOTHIAN QUESTION! How can it be fair that Westminster MPs who represent Constituencies in Scotland can vote on laws which have absolutely ZERO affect on their own Constituency? e.g. Health & Education are both "devolved matters".

When New Labour pushed through the introduction of Foundation Hospitals, it did not affect Scotland, yet MPs from Scotland were able to vote on it.

When New Labour pushed through the introduction of Top-Up Fees (against their own manifesto), it did not affect Scotland, yet MPs from Scotland were able to vote on it (& IIRC Labour MPs from Scotland were rather crucial in making up the numbers for the vote to pass).

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35001128)

Here is a guide to the Party's standing on Civil Liberties

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...ur&col3=libdem

Lib Dems FTW on Civil Liberties (& also Science, & IMO the Economy).

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35001133)

How about ID Cards, DNA retention, 42 days detention without charge, cutting Forces helicopter funding, sending people into battle without proper equipment?

Or don't those count?

Didn't the defence chiefs specifically ask for fewer helicopters & inferior equipment? Oh...

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35001200)

The liberals still have not convinced me they can be trusted to defend this country's rights and i don't like there obvious sucking up to Labour. Again they have no real plans and Clegg gives me the impression he will be happy to be Browns right hand man in a coalition

In what way do you think they cannot be trusted to defend the UK's rights?

What "obvious sucking up to Labour"? :confused:

Is this sucking up to Labour?

"Nick Clegg goes to war with Labour over civil liberties"

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Originally Posted by The Guardian

Nick Clegg goes to war with Labour over civil liberties

Liberal Democrat manifesto launch accompanied by stinging attack on Labour - making post-election partnership more remote

Nick Clegg will launch the Liberal Democrat manifesto with a stinging critique of Labour's record on civil liberties and human rights â€“ criticism that makes the prospect of a post-election partnership between the two parties more remote.

Speaking to the Guardian, the Lib Dem leader said he was shocked by the lack of reference to civil liberties in the Labour manifesto, and highlighted his own plans to scrap the next generation of biometric passports, and its communication base.

He said: "It's a measure of the authoritarian streak of the Labour party that it didn't refer once to liberty in its own manifesto.

"Civil liberties and individual freedoms are part of the DNA of the Lib Dems. It makes a compete mockery of the claim by Gordon Brown that he can speak for progressive voters in other parties when his own party has turned its back on one of the cornerstones of progressive politics.

"The division between the Lib Dems and Labour on civil liberties is as wide today as it was at the height of Blair's authoritarian populism."

(snip)

I also posted a reply to you earlier mentioning a few major issues in which the Lib Dems strongly opposed Labour (some of which they also opposed the Tories on too, e.g. Iraq & the Digital Economy Bill). In case you missed it, here's a link:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post34998633

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35001248)

What "tree hugging nature"? Why do you think they will "roll over and let anyone walk all over us"?

Regarding the Euro... As I said earlier in the thread, they aren't as committed to Euro entry as they used to be, as they finally realised that it is not currently economically or politically viable. They do still believe that entry into the Euro is in the UK's long-term interests, but only after a referendum.

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The Salary Calculator: plug in your salary & other things, & get an estimate of how you would be under a Labour / Lib Dem / Tory / UKIP Government.

http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/election.php

For me, it goes (from highest take-home pay to lowest take-home pay):

UKIP > Lib Dem > Tory > Green > Labour