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Mr Angry

29-12-2009 22:44

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If either of you (nomadking or Bender) dared to look beyond what has been spoonfed to you you would discover that Akmal Shaikh himself denied that he suffered from a mental illness (the one thing that might have saved him).

nomadking - the correct factual context is that Dr Schaapveld said it could have been either ..but the fact was, whether it was bipolar or schizophrenia, he was 99% certain that Shaikh was suffering from a mental disorder.

Derek

29-12-2009 23:00

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34935186)

On the contrary, if there was any suspicion of a mental health issue it would have been thoroughly investigated and if necessary, taken into account at the relevant point (whether that be while assessing culpability, or in sentencing).

And funnily enough a great number of people who are up for sentencing do claim to have undiagnosed mental conditions which are normally taken at face value when submitted to the court by the defence.

I've mixed feelings, the guy obviously wasn't quite right, whether he wasn't right enough not to know what he was doing or that carrying 4 kilos of smack into China was a really bad idea isn't for me to say.
At the end of the day their country, their rules.

Strangely for a Government so opposed to the death penalty I don't remember the same outcry and demands for clemency when a certain dictator of a middle eastern country in between Saudi Arabia and Iran was facing the rope.

Mr Angry

29-12-2009 23:02

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34935494)

Strangely for a Government so opposed to the death penalty I don't remember the same outcry and demands for clemency when a certain dictator of a middle eastern country in between Saudi Arabia and Iran was facing the rope.

Ding! ding! We have a winner. Well said.

nomadking

29-12-2009 23:12

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34935494)

Oh great. A thread encompassing the Death Penalty and having a go at foreigners. If someone says that he didn't pay for his TV license or was only killed due to his religion I'll have to go and lie down somewhere dark till everything calms down. :)

And funnily enough a great number of people who are up for sentencing do claim to have undiagnosed mental conditions which are normally taken at face value when submitted to the court by the defence.

I've mixed feelings, the guy obviously wasn't quite right, whether he wasn't right enough not to know what he was doing or that carrying 4 kilos of smack into China was a really bad idea isn't for me to say.
At the end of the day their country, their rules.

Strangely for a Government so opposed to the death penalty I don't remember the same outcry and demands for clemency when a certain dictator of a middle eastern country in between Saudi Arabia and Iran was facing the rope.

And could his behaviour have been described as completely sane?

Derek

29-12-2009 23:22

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34935502)

And could his behaviour have been described as completely sane?

No. Mind you my personal opinion is someone who murders someone to death isn't quite sane and I've have no qualms about them being put to death (after the relevant trials obviously)

At the risk of sounding callous he was a fruitloop. We'll never know if he was in the harmless eccentric side of fruitloopery or the howling at the moon and drinking paint side.
If he survived for 53 years without being diagnosed with any form of mental illness I'm tempted to believe the extent of the problems might have been exaggerated a little in an attempt to get a reduction in sentence.

Nidge

30-12-2009 02:56

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He trafficked drugs into an anti drug country he got caught thefore he deserved the punishment. I don't buy this mental health issue thing. He knew what he was doing in everyway. Wasn't he a Muslim?? I thought Muslims were against drugs?? Oh I forgot they are against them but they'll sell you them.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34935413)

its all irrelevant now he's been executed none of us will ever know his state of mind .

Can I take his place on the Council housing list please??:shocked:

TheDaddy

30-12-2009 06:28

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 34935117)

It sounds like he got caught and tried to wriggle out of it.

He didn't suceed.

Justice was done.

Yeah from what little I have heard, I tend to think so to, he was mental enough to think he was going to be a pop star but sane enough to get through over 50 years of life and travel to China. Didn't really like China's responce though, we have every right to question the sentencing of one of our citizens, who do they think they are.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34935253)

if the defendant was suffering from bi-polar which is quite possible then under chinese law he should not have been executed

I am pretty sure that mental illness isn't taken into account in sentencing. It's relevence is ascertained before guilt is established, sounds bizarre but according to some chap on the radio that's the way it is there.

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34935290)

I think people should read this.

Would have liked to have but the links not working anymore, probably those Chinese hackers again :)

Hugh	30-12-2009 08:32

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Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34935526)

Wow! most unlike you to say something negative against Muslims.....

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Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34935526)

Can I take his place on the Council housing list please??:shocked:

He lived in Poland before he went to China, so feel free.;)

webcrawler2050

30-12-2009 08:48

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34935571)

Wow! most unlike you to say something negative against Muslims.....

He lived in Poland before he went to China, so feel free.;)

Now this is getting more wierd in my opinion, whithout sound racist etc etc. If he lived in Poland, how the heck can he be called a Britt? Thats been annoying the heck outta me for days now :D

Peter_

30-12-2009 09:19

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34935582)

Now this is getting more wierd in my opinion, whithout sound racist etc etc. If he lived in Poland, how the heck can he be called a Britt? Thats been annoying the heck outta me for days now :D

Born here I presume or a British Passport.

webcrawler2050

30-12-2009 09:19

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34935606)

Born here I presume or a British Passport.

Okay fair enough. I aint saying nothing more.

Peter_

30-12-2009 09:21

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34935607)

Okay fair enough. I aint saying nothing more.

I have no idea if that is true but the only conclusion I can think of about his citizenship.;)

webcrawler2050

30-12-2009 09:31

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34935608)

I have no idea if that is true but the only conclusion I can think of about his citizenship.;)

Yup, I'm just keeping stum LOL

Derek

30-12-2009 10:13

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34935606)

Born here I presume or a British Passport.

British passport. Born in Pakistan, moved here as a child and also lived in the USA before moving to Poland.

zing_deleted

30-12-2009 10:19

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34935504)

No. Mind you my personal opinion is someone who murders someone to death isn't quite sane and I've have no qualms about them being put to death (after the relevant trials obviously)

At the risk of sounding callous he was a fruitloop. We'll never know if he was in the harmless eccentric side of fruitloopery or the howling at the moon and drinking paint side.
If he survived for 53 years without being diagnosed with any form of mental illness I'm tempted to believe the extent of the problems might have been exaggerated a little in an attempt to get a reduction in sentence.

is there another way to murder someone hehehehehehe

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