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Kymmy 24-07-2008 21:52
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Personally I don't tend to listen to anything but radio stations, whether that be on my mobile, via my internet media player or on the PC so no to that question.

Kymmy

buckleb 24-07-2008 21:53
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin T (Post 34607765)
So would anybody pay £30 per year for legal downloads?

I would if the catalogue was huge & not limited to artists the industry wanted to promote to death...
Yes, I would too... as long as it really was 'unlimited', but ISPs don't have a great track record with that term!

dev 24-07-2008 21:54
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly (Post 34607752)
As far as I know, cloned modem = cloned IP address.
only one modem can have a certain IP address so a cloned modem gets a different one.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horace (Post 34607751)
Re: cloned modems.

The BPI collects IP addresses not MAC addresses so that completely negates the possibility a customer being warned/advised due to someone else using the same mac addy on a cloned modem. Pity because it might of pushed VM to do even more about the cloning problem if they had thousands of irate customers suing them.

I suppose the conclusion might be reached by a lot of people who are tier hopping, i.e. paying for the lowest tier and using a cloned modem for 20meg to cancel the subscription altogether due to worries about the BPI.
although the BPI sends an IP address, how do VM convert the IP address to a customer? First they'd need to check the dhcp records which no doubt would match to a MAC address, they then check who has the MAC address on their account.

Kymmy 24-07-2008 22:05
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dev (Post 34607771)
although the BPI sends an IP address, how do VM convert the IP address to a customer? First they'd need to check the dhcp records which no doubt would match to a MAC address, they then check who has the MAC address on their account.
Surely though they'll be a register of two IP's for that MAC address and this would be flagged up on VM's system putting in doubt that the account holder is the culprit.

Kymmy

Fatec 24-07-2008 22:07
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin T (Post 34607765)
So would anybody pay £30 per year for legal downloads?

I would if the catalogue was huge & not limited to artists the industry wanted to promote to death...
No, why? because i dont want low bitrate 192Kbit/s mp3s, i dont want DRM and i still will not just buy an album/track without hearing them first.

Sirius 24-07-2008 22:14
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horace (Post 34607751)
Re: cloned modems.

The BPI collects IP addresses not MAC addresses so that completely negates the possibility a customer being warned/advised due to someone else using the same mac addy on a cloned modem. Pity because it might of pushed VM to do even more about the cloning problem if they had thousands of irate customers suing them.

I suppose the conclusion might be reached by a lot of people who are tier hopping, i.e. paying for the lowest tier and using a cloned modem for 20meg to cancel the subscription altogether due to worries about the BPI.
So when a ip is given to virginmedia and they then look on the ubr what do you think they check that ip address against. Answers on a postcard to

The mac address.

on the DHCP

Linked to the account database

Your address



And before you ask :-

I have worked in the past on Cable modem infrastructure and ADSL infrastructure. Then i got better and left.

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34607782)
Surely though they'll be a register of two IP's for that MAC address and this would be flagged up on VM's system putting in doubt that the account holder is the culprit.

Kymmy
But it depends on how busy the person looking into each account is. If that person cannot be arsed to check each DHCP server for Each of the areas that mac is in then some poor unfortunate will get a letter.

If VM could check that easily, Would you not think they would be able to stop the clones in the first place.

The fact of the matter is someone WILL get a letter even when they have not been using P2P but the **** bag who has cloned there modem and IS using P2P will not.

It kinda makes a mockery of all this.

Cobbydaler 24-07-2008 22:18
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by TraxData2 (Post 34607786)
No, why? because i dont want low bitrate 192Kbit/s mp3s, i dont want DRM and i still will not just buy an album/track without hearing them first.
Ah, but they don't have to be fixed bitrate mp3s, vbr mp3s or flac's a possibility.

You can hear music without buying it, try the radio... ;)

buckleb 24-07-2008 22:26
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34607789)
So when a ip is given to virginmedia and they then look on the ubr what do you think they check that ip address against. Answers on a postcard to

The mac address.

on the DHCP

Linked to the account database

Your address



And before you ask :-

I have worked in the past on Cable modem infrastructure and ADSL infrastructure. Then i got better and left.

---------- Post added at 22:14 ---------- Previous post was at 22:10 ----------



But it depends on how busy the person looking into each account is. If that person cannot be arsed to check each DHCP server for Each of the areas that mac is in then some poor unfortunate will get a letter.

If VM could check that easily, Would you not think they would be able to stop the clones in the first place.

The fact of the matter is someone WILL get a letter even when they have not been using P2P but the **** bag who has cloned there modem and IS using P2P will not.

It kinda makes a mockery of all this.
I'm probably missing something here, but are you sure about that?

An IP address is mapped to a particular host (for example mine is xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.cable.ubr05.craw.blueyonder.co.uk). Wouldn't Virgin just look on that UBR, and not the one where the cloned modem was (assuming I was doing the downloading)?

I can see that if no regard was given to the MAC address/UBR comination then a letter might be sent to the wrong person, but wouldn't this be fairly easy to refute (and flag up the existence of a clone on a particular UBR)?

BenMcr 24-07-2008 22:57
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Exactly, the only way cloned MAC addresses work is that they run on a different UBR to the authentic one. Which means they would have to be assigned a different IP address

Fatec 24-07-2008 22:58
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin T (Post 34607796)
Ah, but they don't have to be fixed bitrate mp3s, vbr mp3s or flac's a possibility.

You can hear music without buying it, try the radio... ;)
Music i like isn't played on the radio, i find alot of mainstream stuff complete carp.

Yea, could you imagine a service which actually knows how to encode mp3s properly to V0/V1/V2 VBR mp3s? wouldnt matter, flacs? not a chance.

Cobbydaler 24-07-2008 23:06
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Well, I'd hardly call everything on this list or this mainstream. ;)

And that's just Radio 1...

Fatec 24-07-2008 23:12
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin T (Post 34607846)
Well, I'd hardly call everything on this list or this mainstream. ;)

And that's just Radio 1...
Dont like any of that.

I'm picky with music, i'm more into classical rock, rock (some, not much newer stuff), country (laugh and i hit you :p:) classical (for relaxation purposes), j-pop/j-rock, infact i listen to whatever suits my mood.

Cobbydaler 24-07-2008 23:13
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by TraxData2 (Post 34607854)
Dont like any of that.

I'm picky with music, i'm more into classical rock, rock (some, not much newer stuff), country (laugh and i hit you :p:) classical (for relaxation purposes), j-pop/j-rock, infact i listen to whatever suits my mood.
Yee Hah! ;)

Enuff 24-07-2008 23:25
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
I think the only concern I have with this at the moment, is if my MAC address has been cloned and the scally that is using it is downloading and uploading GB's of copyright material. I don't, and never will use P2P programs, they're a magnet for trojans and virus's.

I just remembered, I won't be with Virgin for much longer, I'm being disconnected on the 16th of August. :dozey:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData2 (Post 34607854)
Dont like any of that.

I'm picky with music, i'm more into classical rock, rock (some, not much newer stuff), country (laugh and i hit you :p:) classical (for relaxation purposes), j-pop/j-rock, infact i listen to whatever suits my mood.
Have you tried Screamer? http://www.screamer-radio.com/

Cobbydaler 24-07-2008 23:32
Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData2 (Post 34607854)
Dont like any of that.

I'm picky with music, i'm more into classical rock, rock (some, not much newer stuff), country (laugh and i hit you :p:) classical (for relaxation purposes), j-pop/j-rock, infact i listen to whatever suits my mood.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34607861)

Have you tried Screamer? http://www.screamer-radio.com/
Or last.fm?


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