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Xaccers 21-03-2008 17:23
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
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Originally Posted by WHISTLED (Post 34511201)
Reading that it was an accident and not how you described it, the fight was between soldiers and they were caught up in the middle.

They can still come...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3281885.stm

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Shortly after the boys arrived at the club, there was a "disturbance" between them and some of the Gurkhas and doormen asked the teenagers to leave.

Lieutenant Colonel Jones said: "The Crown's case is that the boys did leave the nightclub but were followed immediately thereafter by 30 Gurkha soldiers including the three accused."

He claimed the Gurkhas had followed the boys to "seek their revenge".

While three of the teenagers escaped along the road, David ran back to the entrance of the nightclub, where he was again attacked, it was alleged.

"That final assault was very vicious and was prolonged," Lieutenant Colonel Jones said.

"He was kicked and punched numerous times and fell to the ground."

Despite being taken to hospital and then flown to Miami in the USA for emergency surgery, he died three days later.
Yes, they "accidently" beat and kicked him, yes, it's obvious now, so easy to do to a 14 year old boy.

papa smurf 21-03-2008 17:40
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34511410)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3281885.stm



Yes, they "accidently" beat and kicked him, yes, it's obvious now, so easy to do to a 14 year old boy.
well i'm glad you got that sorted

Sirius 21-03-2008 18:14
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34511424)
well i'm glad you got that sorted

:LOL:

Xaccers 21-03-2008 18:32
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34511441)
:LOL:
You find a bunch of trained soldiers in the British army kicking a 14 year old boy to death something to laugh about???

WHISTLED 21-03-2008 18:57
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
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Yes, they "accidently" beat and kicked him, yes, it's obvious now, so easy to do to a 14 year old boy.
Firstly your sarcasm is mispalced as you posted a completely different article previously.

Secondly those comments are all from the prosecution and would typically paint the accused in a rather dim light.

Now every word may be true.... or it maybe not.... I have no view.

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You find a bunch of trained soldiers in the British army kicking a 14 year old boy to death something to laugh about???
He was probably bigger than them.

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so easy to do to a 14 year old boy
Errrm I'll take your word for that

Xaccers 21-03-2008 19:03
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I also posted about the further details covered in the Radio4 program on the matter.
If you doubted them, you could have searched yourself for further information, it took me all of 1 minute to find.

So are you still welcoming to those who killed a boy?

Sirius 21-03-2008 19:11
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34511484)
I also posted about the further details covered in the Radio4 program on the matter.
If you doubted them, you could have searched yourself for further information, it took me all of 1 minute to find.

So are you still welcoming to those who killed a boy?
Yes.

You yourself put,
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I hate it when a few members of an honourable group bring that group into disrepute, more so when criminal activities, especially a murder, is involved.
Or are you bored and out to play your word games again tonight ?.

Xaccers 21-03-2008 19:16
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34511489)
Yes.

You yourself put, Why should they all be tarnished by the actions of a few. Or are you bored and out to play your word games again tonight ?.
I'm refering to the few who killed David Zabaneh.
Hence why I posted:
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Except these ones, we can do without them
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2069092.stm

SMG 23-03-2008 00:14
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These men are normally well disciplined, & we do not know the facts surrounding this incident, but, Paratroopers are hard soldiers. Shock troops who don't give in easily. I`m surprised they didn't bang a few more heads.

As we are all aware, there are 14 year old boys who are quite capable of violence & murder, & quite capable of inciting a fight. When I was a young soldier just out of training, I picked a fight in an Aldershot bar. Thought I was jack the lad. Together with my mates, we succeeded in getting the living **** kicked out of us. We didn't know it was a Paras bar.

Take a walk around Manchester at night, & take a good long look at a few 14 year old "youths", then see how fast you can run before they give you a good beating, just for looking at them.

joesnake 23-03-2008 11:24
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Although I would like to see the Gurkhas allowed to settle here allowing them to do so would break the 1947 Britain-India-Nepal Tripartite Agreement. One of the main points of the agreement is that:- The Gurkha soldier must be recruited as a Nepali citizen, must serve as a Nepali citizen, and must be resettled as a Nepali citizen.

The govenment must therefore get the agreement of both the Neplolese and Indian Governments before it can allow the Gurkas to settle in Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain...tite_Agreement

An agrement was reached in 1995 on the pay and pensions that they receive but SFAIAA this did not include resettlement rights.

http://www.army.mod.uk/brigade_of_gu...new_gtacos.htm

dilli-theclaw 23-03-2008 11:31
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Can we return to the topic at hand NOW please.

Open again.

If you don't agree with a post REPORT it.

If you can't discuss / debate with one poster then put him / her on ignore.

Xaccers 23-03-2008 12:34
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34512125)
These men are normally well disciplined, & we do not know the facts surrounding this incident, but, Paratroopers are hard soldiers. Shock troops who don't give in easily. I`m surprised they didn't bang a few more heads.

As we are all aware, there are 14 year old boys who are quite capable of violence & murder, & quite capable of inciting a fight. When I was a young soldier just out of training, I picked a fight in an Aldershot bar. Thought I was jack the lad. Together with my mates, we succeeded in getting the living **** kicked out of us. We didn't know it was a Paras bar.

Take a walk around Manchester at night, & take a good long look at a few 14 year old "youths", then see how fast you can run before they give you a good beating, just for looking at them.
David Zabaneh was the son of a business man, and friends with the Priminister's son who was also at the bar, who instead of running back to the bar for safety as David did, managed to escape.

When you got a beating from those paras, if one of your mates had been beaten to death, would you have been ok with them doing that?

If there were changes to the treaties which allowed settlement here for Gurkhas, then I'd be all for it, apart from those which have been involved in crimes, especially murder, such as those involved in the death of David.

papa smurf 23-03-2008 12:51
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34512278)
David Zabaneh was the son of a business man, and friends with the Priminister's son who was also at the bar, who instead of running back to the bar for safety as David did, managed to escape.

When you got a beating from those paras, if one of your mates had been beaten to death, would you have been ok with them doing that?

If there were changes to the treaties which allowed settlement here for Gurkhas, then I'd be all for it, apart from those which have been involved in crimes, especially murder, such as those involved in the death of David.
i think you've kicked this particular thread to death now, is there any chance of dropping this david watsname stuff and discusing equal rights for Ghurka's

RizzyKing 23-03-2008 13:45
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I am pretty sure most of us agree papa that if they serve in the army they should have exactly the same right's as anyone else that serves. While the UK government may be able to get out of something doesn't mean it should or should go unchallenged.

Xaccers 23-03-2008 15:12
Re: Gurkha veterans seek equal rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34512285)
i think you've kicked this particular thread to death now, is there any chance of dropping this david watsname stuff and discusing equal rights for Ghurka's
Do you have no problem welcoming those 6 who kicked a boy to death?


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