That's not the point. I'm not a company promoting my services for illegal activities. NTL are trying to make money by promoting illegal activities. That is the difference.

Duncan

I am not 'defending' them at all - I haven't once said what they're doing is good. It's the hypocrisy I can't stand :afire:

Have you never downloaded a movie or some music?

Sent to bbc news online this morning:

:D

I only have the one copy - it's a free paper so I can just go out and buy some more copies. I may be able to get hold of some more copies from neighbours.

Duncan

It is very much the point. It's about double standards. An awful lot of you seem to have bee's in your bonnets about the cap etc, and incredibly personal vendettas against ntl.

If you can honestly say you have never illegally downloaded from the internet, then I applaude you my friends, fill your boots and take them to court.

Otherwise, take your hypocritical morals and put them where the sun doesn't shine.

When I was a child I used to go scrumping... (stealing fruit / veg from farms) does that mean that I am now unable to report a thief to the police for stealing my car?

Another scenario....

I have been to a public all box and lied to the opperator telling her I had put 10p in the phone but it did not register, thereby making a call at the expence of BT. Does that mean that BT can now bill me £500 per month? after all, I 'stoll' 10p from them, so BT can 'steal' from me via my bill.

Orangebird stop digging they have blown it this time:D

Orangebird, your loyalty to your employer is commendable. There aren't many staff who stick around this forum and keep wading thru all the stuff that gets posted here. But I think you're beginning to take this 'defend ntl at all costs' thing a bit too far. You're right, everyone on this board has done something wrong at some point in their lives, that's human nature. But if that was a reason to stop us addressing other wrongs, we would pretty quickly end up living in anarchy.

Just to address the central point of this thread, do you accept that ntl appears to be suggesting illegal downloads is a good reason to subscribe to its broadband internet service?

British Code of Advertising, Sales
Promotion and Direct Marketing (the rulebook used by the ASA) states:

2.2 All marketing communications should be prepared with a sense of
responsibility to consumers and to society.

4.1 Marketers have primary responsibility for ensuring that their
marketing communications are legal. Marketing communications should comply
with the law and should not incite anyone to break it.

Yes, I fully accept it. And please don't patronise me with regard to my 'loyalty to my employer'.
But I stated in an earlier post, it's not about defending my employer, in fact it has bugger all to do with it. It's the hypocrisy that makes me choke.

I'm not trying to patronize you, I'm bending over backwards trying not to start a slanging match. Please don't assume that everyone on this board is hell bent on causing mayhem and hurling insults.

Nice try Andre, but that is not the point. ntl say you can download a movie (which you can, regardless of the 'cap') as long as you don't download more than 3 in 14 days... - what's underhand about that?

And no, let's not mention email, as it has nothing to do with this thread.

I personally think any response form th elike so fth eBBC is going to be poor.

I doubt they will run and articles on the 6 o clock news because NTL have a poorly worded advert ina local free paper in Leeds.

Come on people live in the freakin real world here.


400,000 to 600,000 movie downloads, what about movie trailers? they are legal, what about the files that people have created, say the transforming car the ****es on a dog?

Some people on here want to find something better to do with their time. Its and advert, they are words on a page, what I refer to is effects on REAL things, I can tell you now, I am going to be more than ****ed at some of you IF I end up not being able to have ANY kind of BB connection. An exageration I have already admitted, but NTL are THE company here, I wont ever get ADSL I liove too far away from the nearest exchange.

Anmd if S.W had illegally uncapped his CM you are damned lucky NTL didnt prosecute you for Fraud, but hey thats OK isnt it, because you defrauded NTL.

Saying that NTL have made a big mistake with an advert is enough.
Being ****ed at the cap is one thing, but as orangebird says, the actions here are not going to help have the cap lifted, any network upgrading done and it will certainly prevent any kind of 2 Mb service.
Make your choices guys, I'd rather have a decent network , no cap and a 2mb service.

What should have been done is a protest to NTL, THEN maybe going to TS. but no thats not how you worked is it? No NTL didnt have a problem with misswording or clarity on services, no you want to take them down for promoting copyright theft.

However if your so intent on taking NTL down, I hope that you will feel happy about it, when the customers turn around and firmly blame YOU for this situation.

I agree. The bloke I wrote to is the technology correspondent for BBC News Online, he doesn't work in TV or Radio. Having worked in the media and PR, I do know a thing or two about correct targeting of potential stories. It's not going to make the TV news but it stands a realistic chance of getting on BBC news online.

Come on OB not like you to be down just got an e-mail from ASA quoting British Code of Advertising, Sales
Promotion and Direct Marketing (the rulebook used by the ASA) states:

2.2 All marketing communications should be prepared with a sense of
responsibility to consumers and to society.

4.1 Marketers have primary responsibility for ensuring that their
marketing communications are legal. Marketing communications should comply
with the law and should not incite anyone to break it.

They have blown it complaint in, everyone please use online form at ASA