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Xaccers 04-08-2004 17:18

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Of course not. Just because smoking is legal doesn't mean I condone or engage in such activities.

But, isn't this the government legislating morality? If you support this law, what grounds do you have to not support laws against, say, anal sex or gay sex?


I think that the incest laws were first introduced, like most laws, with an air of morality (most likely religious so hurry up and answer my previous post).
They've been relaxed somewhat so it's only your immediate family. Cousins can marry, not sure about uncles/aunts marrying neices/nephews.
I believe that the immediate family part, being your parents/grandparents, is to protect children form being "groomed" by a parent/grandparent (someone the child looks up to for guidance) for sexual relationship later in life.
Much like why teachers are not allowed to date pupils.
Sure most would be genuine relationships, but there's enough concern to protect anyone vulnerable to be taken advantage of to warrent this law.

Bifta 04-08-2004 17:18

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
We're not talking about minors, animals, or corpses. We're talking two consenting adults.

You're talking about people dictating morality, the subject of your urges is irrelevant.

Xaccers 04-08-2004 17:20

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Originally Posted by Bifta
You're talking about people dictating morality, the subject of your urges is irrelevant.

Shouldn't people dictact morality?

Bifta 04-08-2004 17:23

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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Shouldn't people dictact morality?

Within the bounds of the law, yes.

SMHarman 04-08-2004 17:26

Re: Mum had sex with son
 
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Of course not. Just because smoking is legal doesn't mean I condone or engage in such activities.

But, isn't this the government legislating morality? If you support this law, what grounds do you have to not support laws against, say, anal sex or gay sex?

It is also legislating on genetic diversity, not just morality. After all the point of sex is not just pleasure, but conception and procreation.

Jerrek 04-08-2004 17:29

Re: Mum had sex with son
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
I believe that the immediate family part, being your parents/grandparents, is to protect children form being "groomed" by a parent/grandparent (someone the child looks up to for guidance) for sexual relationship later in life.
Much like why teachers are not allowed to date pupils.
Sure most would be genuine relationships, but there's enough concern to protect anyone vulnerable to be taken advantage of to warrent this law.

We're not talking about children here. We're talking about two consenting adults. Why should it be illegal unless you claim a moral argument, in which case I can introduce you to the some fundamentalists who have scary beliefs on what is morally right and wrong.

Government should not legislate morality.

Jerrek 04-08-2004 17:30

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Originally Posted by SMHarman
It is also legislating on genetic diversity, not just morality. After all the point of sex is not just pleasure, but conception and procreation.

Perhaps, but what if it is a mom/daughter or dad/son relationship? Or sister/sister or brother/brother? Or what if, in a mom/son relationship the mom is over 55 and can't have kids anymore?

paulyoung666 04-08-2004 17:33

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
We're not talking about minors, animals, or corpses. We're talking two consenting adults.


its bloody incest , dont you get it :mad:

Jerrek 04-08-2004 17:37

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
its bloody incest , dont you get it :mad:

So what? In some parts of the world you're stoned if you commit adultary because of government legislating morality.

You're essentially saying that whatever the majority of the people's moral code is, is the law. Yay. Way of oppressing minorities such as myself.

Marge 04-08-2004 17:45

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Some things are just not acceptable and having sex with members of your immediate family is one of them, this has got some interesting stuff about incest

paulyoung666 04-08-2004 17:48

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Originally Posted by Debsy42
Some things are just not acceptable and having sex with members of your immediate family is one of them, this has got some interesting stuff about incest


exactly , you are looking at some very nasty side effects if a child is born from it :(

Stuart 04-08-2004 17:50

Re: Mum had sex with son
 
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
So what? In some parts of the world you're stoned if you commit adultary because of government legislating morality.

You're essentially saying that whatever the majority of the people's moral code is, is the law. Yay. Way of oppressing minorities such as myself.

Jerrek, Do you support democracy?

One of the principles of democracy is that the people (in theory) control the government. The government is supposed to serve the people and enact laws for them. So, in theory at least, the people control the law.


You appear to be arguing that this is a way of oppressing people.




Now, back to the point of the thread.

I personally believe that (as Xaccers says) if either one is to be punished, both should be punished as they both commited a crime.

As to whether it is morally wrong. Yes, I believe it is. She could well have been grooming him for this for years (I am not saying she did, we don't know that).

Biologically, it is a bad idea. This woman is 45. In theory, she can still have babies (in practice, that is unlikely), so SMHarman's arguement about genetics could apply.

Stiill, if a kid is born, maybe they should call it "Bubba" , give it a trailer to live in and a Banjo to play.

Edit: BTW, you still haven't answered Xaccers' question..

Bifta 04-08-2004 17:52

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Government should not legislate morality.

So who should then? Who should legislate against people that prey on minors for example?

SMHarman 04-08-2004 17:53

Re: Mum had sex with son
 
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Perhaps, but what if it is a mom/daughter or dad/son relationship? Or sister/sister or brother/brother? Or what if, in a mom/son relationship the mom is over 55 and can't have kids anymore?

Or maybe the son is infertile :mad: it is incest and whilst we can joke "Incest is best" it's not really appropriate is it.
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
<snip>Way of oppressing minorities such as myself.

This thread has nothing to do with gay rights and everything to do with incest, get back on topic.

Jerrek 04-08-2004 18:05

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Originally Posted by scastle
Jerrek, Do you support democracy?

No. Under pure democracy, a majority can vote away a minority's rights. Under a pure democracy, Hitler came to power, and using the majority of votes, he legally killed many millions of Jews. Under a pure democracy, anything is legal as long as the mob, the majority, concurs.

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One of the principles of democracy is that the people (in theory) control the government. The government is supposed to serve the people and enact laws for them. So, in theory at least, the people control the law.


You appear to be arguing that this is a way of oppressing people.
Yes it is. That is why I'm a fan of a republic, not a pure democracy.


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