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oh yes - and hopefully conditions to suit Michelin tyres more - should be good :)

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i really do hope he isnt going to williams , imho BAR will be the team of the season next season :tu:

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Hakkinen to replace Button at BAR? according to this link this rumour was circulating before the Button move announcement.

I think lanten Jaw (DC) needs a kick up the **** as in most of the races this year he could have done better maybe its time for him to move from McLaren as he has become part of the McLaren pit fixtures.

Whats killing the audiance viewing is that MS is winning 99% of the time, putting your foot down when in front i dont consider racing, fighting your way through the field (dicing with the rest of the field) from a lower position i call racing & a worth while racing challenge especially when the result is a podium finish.

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still fighting over JB at the moment. Would like to see Hakkinen and Villeneuve in the BAR next year with an even better car than this year.. can't see it happening but we can all dream..

Least the next race in Hungary looks like being the most open race of the season.. although knowing Shuey's like it will prob poor with rain and he will win the race by over a lap..

Anyone else think it's stupid that next year you get one set of tyres for the entire race but refueling is still there!!! Also what happens if you get a puncture or flat spot a tyre ?

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boring boring f1 , boring boring f1 , that was dire , even the commentators said ross brawn eating a banana was the most exciting bit :erm: , summats got to be done and quickly :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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- the worst thing was that they were right, what a poor race :(

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sad to say but i ff'ed it thru the last 10 laps to get it over with :(

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with the first 5 cars spread out by over a minute at the last pit stop, on a track with a 1 min 20 sec lap time, I don't blame you. :erm:

- :notopic: on the bright side the cricket has been really good :eek:

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i must admit i stopped watching F1 a long time ago...........but its still funny to see ferrari so far ahead.

even if the commentators faked some of the enthusiasm i saw towards the end of this race :rofl:

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I actually missed today's race.... after reading about it, I'm kinda glad I did ;)

On another note, did anyone else see the IT role that was on offer recently at Jordan? The job spec clearly stated that travelling would be a major part of the job... No kidding! :D :D :D If I didn't have a family, I'd have applied - would even take a pay cut for a role like that!

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i have to admit i was nodin off meself

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Excellent test match on at Old Trafford, Arsenal v Everton, Olympics. did I watch or miss F1, what do you think.:rolleyes:

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..and I mowed the lawn !! :rolleyes: I really hate gardening as well :dozey:

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yeah the most open race of the season on paper and Ferrari walked it.. Trouble is there is no overtaking going on further down the order either..

Just think back to France and Silverstone.. 2 of the best overtaking moves i've ever seen. It wasn't a late braking move down the inside.. Wasn't even a pass round the outside. No what happened was Shuey went quicker than the other car he was racing while it was in the pits and ended up in front. i remember i was talking about that for all of 0 seconds afterwards it was that good.

That i think is the problem with F1 at the moment. How many times have we heard people say " you can't pass i had to wait for the stops" and whenever the team engineers get interviewed mid race it's never were racing this car in front were are trying to go quicker and pass the car on the track it's we're trying to change the strategy to overtake.. We need to keep the cars on the track the whole time that way they HAVE to pass on the track.

If we had some overtaking further down the grid.. like we did in 92 when Mansell swept all before him on in 88 with McLaren won nearly all the races but still raced each other and we had battles further down the grid as well.

Think we also need to ban balast as well. it seems ludicrous that in the safety consious F1 we have today they build the cars underweight and then add balast to the cars to help the handling. Surely the extra weight should go into making the cars stronger ?

i think they should also ban all the telemetry \ sensors that way if you had the best driver in a Minardi he could use his own driver skill to set the car up better and would be able to make a different. At the moment it's all down to the computers and simulations.

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NASCAR from Watkins Glen was good ;)

Classic comment from the commentator. During the Racing the Home Depot Team were talking of changing driver due to him having stomach cramps. In the end they didnt change driver and he won the race. They did have to delay the victory celebrations due to the winning driver needing a clean fire suit!! ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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This may have been thought or said many times before but I think it is time for David "Thunderbirds Puppet" Coulthard to realise that he needs to give it up. He has wasted a valuable seat in the McLaren for far too long.
It makes me laugh now when he used to criticise "old man" Damon Hill just because he hadn't taken the usual route of doing karting since he was an embryo and did not start F1 before he was old enough to shave. Look what Damon acheived in 6 years in F1 and look what Coulthard hasn't in 10.
The F1 audience is going down and the last thing it needs is vacuous square headed journeymen like Coulthard. It wouldn't be so bad if he had some personality to make up for his lack of spirit on the track.

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agree in part with this post. The problem is DC is that on his day he can produce great drives it's just that over a season he does one great drive and 16 bad ones.

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Actually, the driver has a greater impact on the race than you appear to be saying. Remember how Ferrari went downhill when Micheal Schumacher broke his leg and was out for half the season two or three years back? You can have the best F1 car in the world, but if you don't have a good driver, you still won't get very far.

I still agree though. They do need to remove some of the safety features, reduce the team strategy a bit reduce the technology on board the cars (which I believe they are doing anyway).

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They hardly went downhill. Eddie Irvine was still challanging for the world championship at the last race of the season

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think if that happened in the last 3 seasons then Rubens would still win the title as they now do have the best car on the grid.. That season Hakkinen was still challenging for the title as McLaren had produced a decent car then that was better than the Ferrari most days.

Would prefer to get tid of all the computers and technology but can't see it happening. it needs to be taken out of the teams hands really as they never can agree on anything.. they can't even agree that they don't agree :)

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I have to agree that last Sunday's F1 GP was probably the most boring I've ever seen!

I got back in time to watch the "highlights" but there *weren't* any!

Listening to the commentators afterwards, one said that apparently Renault had calculated that with the modern car designs, you have to be *eleven* car lengths behind someone else to avoid the "dirty air" caused by all the spoilers that give the cars their massive amounts of downforced.

I also agreed with his comment that the sport needs to do some seriously hard thinking about the aerodynamic setups because unless you have a circuit like Bahrain, the older ones remove practicaly any chance of the sort of slipstream overtaking manouevres the sport used to see :(

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just seen this , hopefully this will be an interesting series , i get the feeling that it is going to be some good sport :tu: :tu: :tu:

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yeah i'd read about this awhile ago. It was a fall out of the Premier F1 thing that was going to link Football with motorracing with Man U, Leeds, Barca, Benfica etc branding the cars.

That never happened and the idea was pushed onto this series instead. It's all payed for with Middle East \ Arab etc money. It all depends on the drivers Villeneuve and Hakkinen were mentioned but not sure if they will get either now. Might end up with an Alesi, Frentzen, Salo type driver.

What annoys me with this series and also the GP2 which will replace F3000 is that it is a great chance to build a car with small wings, huge slick tyres and little aerodynamics but mechanical grip instead. This is what all of the F1 fans want. If the series worked they could then go to the F1 teams and say we done what everyone wants to hapened in F1 and it's worked, either that or it won't and a different solution will have to be found.

Instead all these series produce cars like mini F1 cars and then the racing becomes rubbbish. F3000 used to be good but no it's just the same as F1 with very little overtaking because of the aerodynamics of the cars and i think this A1 and GP2 will be the same

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Shuey second on the grid. Unless it rains that's the end of any excitement in this GP

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Even if it rains there'll be no excitement, Bridgestone have the best inters and wets, plus Schumi is the rain master. No I think we need a dry race, renaults to blast away from the line and Kimi to come through the pack.

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Just got back from a visit to my brother in Surrey, if you are ever in the vicinity of Woking then I can recommend a visit to the Brooklands museum. Fantastic collection of old racing cars, the Napier Railton was my particular favourite. Also lots of aircraft and related items. To actually stand on what is left of the old banked track and imagine in your minds eye John Cobb doing 145 mph in the Railton,:cool: :tu:

The Loch Ness Wellington bomber is brilliant.

This is the 24 litre beast, beautiful or what?

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Having just come back from Italy myself.

Although I must admit not exactly liking the Kraut Schumakker but must say the Ferrari Museum in Maranello is well worth a visit if ever your over there.

:D

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Famous last words!

What a Race - mind you, most of the excitement was of the wrong kind.

Crashes, blowouts and er, more crashes and blowouts. Does Coulthard have the record for the most mishaps and still finishing in the points?

Serene progress for Michael, eventually being gifted back all the places lost at the start, and definitely drive of the day for Raikonnen - strategy, tyres and racing, and a lack of any BAD luck, all came together for him for a change.

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i was amazed to see rubens rear wing being changed in the pits , iirc this is the first time i have seen it happen during a race :disturbd: :disturbd:

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Changing a rear wing takes several minutes, on tracks where lap times are in the one minute twenties for example, it means that by the time the work's done you're about three laps down and you may as well go home.

However because Spa is so long and with the safety car deployed, it gave them enough time to change the wing and get Barrichello back out before he lost a lap.

Of course there's also the point that a rear wing failure (eg Raikonnens a race or two ago) is usually pretty catastrophic so you don't get much time to do anything about it!

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tbh i was surprised they were allowed to do it from a safety point of view , seen as it is so critical :erm:

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it was an exciting race but tbh there still wasn't really any overtaking.. it was because of the crashes etc that it was exciting which isn't really what i want to see. Shame we really that McLaren have taken so long to get on the pace.

Bad news for the express writer who said he would run round Silverstone naked if they won a race this season

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But practically *every* part on an F1 car is critical! Should they have been forced to retire the car instead of fix it?

What about all those cars that lose front wings?

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i seem to remember that when the SC was first brought in it couldn't be deployed until after the first three laps of a race.. i think they have sadly got rid of that rule

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i think i've worked out one of the problems with F1. Basically every circuit is the same with tight fiddly corners and a few straights os if your car works well at one circuit it will work well at most of them. No longer do we have the high speed flat out no chicane Hockenheim and Monza and the 14 mile Nurburgring and the old Spa and Octreichring, them moving onto Silerstone and then Monaco and Reims.

With all the circuits being variations of each other the best car at one will be the bestcar at most of them

The other problem is the drivers and engineers have so much scope for changing the wing settings etc that they can make each car suit each circuit. Maybe we need to keep the settings closed off os that then the driver has to adapt to each circuit rather than alter the car

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fair point , but generally a rear wing failure is far more serious than a front wing failure :erm:

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Rear wings are designed to be changed fast (though nothing compared to fronts) it could be argued that the replacement wing was actually stronger than the one that came off *before* it was broken. As the new wing is well that new, the other would have done at least 6 laps allready from qualyfying, probably more as unless they have a wear issue it would stay on all weekend.
Rear wing faliures rarely occur at the mounting points themselves though entire mounts have been known to come unstuck. We havent seen this for a few years now though we have seen elements fracture and detach in quite spectacular fashion (mclaren and jordon have experienced this recently)

If you watched qualy you'd of seen the toyota crew fixing zonta's car after he went off in pre-q, that involved quite alot of changes. with enough people power you can change most stuff in 10-15 mins, including an engine, though rarely happens in a race because you'd fall to far behind. If the race has a high attrition of cars it has been known for cars to be in the pits for 15mins + then go out and try and score some pts

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from the BBC web site

not sure who I would pick myself.. probably Williams as they have had more recent success although BMW would probably be a good team to join as well

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bmw - williams unless they are going to start there own team next season ;) :D :D :D

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well Jaguar have gone and to be honest i'm not that sorry to see them go. Ford never realy committed to the project and they expected to be winning races with no budget or testing. Not what you expect from a big car company like Ford.

Just hope Christian Horner and his F3000 team can buy them out then we will have someone who wants to be in F1.

Not sure what is happening with the Cosworth engines hopefully they will still be sold or there will be real problems for the grid next year.

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Cant Say I Am Sorry To See Jag Now Out Of F1 Just A Shame It Will Affect So Many People's Lives

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why :confused: :confused: :confused:

hopefully they will get bought and rise like the phoenix :tu:

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Job Losses Pauly it will have one hell of a knock-on effect it will affect more than just the people working at the jag factory

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what i meant was why did you say you arent sorry about jag being out of f1 :confused: , i agree on the job losses though , all the companies that supply them will suffer , even down to the sandwich van that is bound to go calling there :(

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the team never really put the effort in or seemed committed. GThey just thought because they were Ford they should be winning.. They went through about 5 team principals as well :Yikes: :Yikes:

if Christian Horder buys them out then someone committed to running a F1 team will be there instead.

if they don't get there then one of the other F1 teams will have to run three cars. If that happens I think they should make Williams, Ferrari and McLaren run three cars... It won't give an advantage to the other 2 teams that aren't running three cars and might give us some excitement as well

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Vileneuve is back, driving for Renault this weekend, and at a new circuit so on abit of a level playing field. Also Glock has replaced Pantano at Jordan. Should be a good race, I hope.

Don't think I can be bothered to get up early though just in case it is rubbish

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The biggest problem with Jaguar (Ford) leaving is not the loss of one team, but the loss of an engine supplier to at least 2 more teams.

Can F1 survive? - it used to be a race of technology development, Turbo, ABS, Traction control, Active suspension - now the biggest excitement seems to be the perpetual meddling with the rules.

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Poor Michael :D And Bruv ralf

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Well IMO Shanghai was a pretty good race and, apart from the dusty concrete, a pretty good track too.

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thought so as well , some good overtaking opportunities :tu: , mind you it must have been real slippery :disturbd:

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Japanese GP stewards have decided to cancel Saturdays qualifying programme due to appalling weather conditions at Suzuka. (because of Super Typhoon 22).

Russian-backed F1 team will hit the grid in 2006

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can they also cancel bernie's membership as well :D

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was reading in the express today that there is still hope for silverstone , :tu: if there is :)

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it's still a bit up in the air

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/3705746.stm

- the annoying thing is BE allegedly saying, 'give me another 1½ mill & it can go ahead' :(

it is not right that one man should wield so much influence on the sport, imo.

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its as if he has some sort of monopoly on the sport , that cant be right :mad:

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I'll be watching, with interest, any interviews of BE by Martin Brundle, this weekend, bearing in mind Martin's position in the BRDC :erm:

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it sems to me another british sport being ruined by greed and money the sport needs to go back to basic's they aint raceing cars anymore and have not been for a few years its a brand new kit car now for every race mental imho

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And indeed next season on ITV1 if the British GP doesn't go ahead. Does he wear his BRDC hat and go on about how the loss of S is such a blow to F1, or does he wear his ITV hat and go on about how fantastic the season's going to be, and we won't miss it ?

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but formula 1 is the pinnacle of the sport of racing cars , they should be trying and using every new invention that is available to them , if you start imposing restrictions on materials or technologies then you are trivialising the sport , i agree it is getting out of hand though , the question is how to limit it without devaluing it :disturbd:

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The problem with F1 at most circuits is that they become a procession with usually the fastest cars starting at the head of the procession. The factors that can affect the drivers place in that procession being who can start faster than the ones around him and pit strategy.

Perhaps each F1 venue should have two races on the Sunday, the second being in reverse starting order to the first. This should make for some better racing in the second race and enable cars that didn't make it past the first corner in race 1 to have a second chance in race 2.

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how about fastest qualifying starting in reverse order , the only problem with that is the fast ppl going deliberately slow :Yikes:

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i still recon bernie needs knocking off his perch he has too much say in what was once a good sport he has turned it into a money making machine
not wishing anyone to get hurt but the tracks are so safe now they are a joke ,most f1 fans can predict the outcome of a race within about 5 laps of the start what with all the info now given to us viewers on screen i agree its nice to know who's got what etc but do we really need all this info

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I still think the should revert to the old style Le Mans start, the drivers had to run and jump into the cars at the start of the race.:)

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:disturbd: :Yikes: :disturbd: :Yikes: :disturbd: :Yikes: :disturbd:

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Button to stay at BAR see below link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/3746818.stm

No news yet on whether Williams will now try and buy the contract out or just use Pizzionia their test driver

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I think that is good news, myself, I believe BAR have more potential than Williams.

- and this could now result in a straight swap of Montoya for Coulthard ????

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how about a two part race with the grid of the second race being the reverse of the first or the reverse of the finish of the first race.

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i am with you on this one :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

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cant believe the government is gonna stand buy and let british raceing die all it has to do is chuck out a few unwelcome visitors we have here in this country scroungeing off our money tree and that would make up the short fall that scrouge ecclestone wants he needs a good slap in my opinion

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but should it be upto the govt to support it ?????????? , for what its worth the whole thing stinks to high heaven of money , and while i am on the subject , have a little think about where the new tracks are , i hope i dont need to prompt you into thinking that a lot of the money is coming from baccy sponsorship , i will stop now before i get into the 2 faced govt that we have that wants us to pack in smoking but cant afford us to because all other taxes will go thru the roof , sorry that is another thread in itself :disturbd:

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yes i hear what you are saying and agree but i still rest me case :)

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Ecclestone ends British GP hopes Ecclestone said he was breaking off talks with Silverstone owners the BRDC & is now in negotiations to bring another new venue on to the calendar. Future Circuits for F1.. Russia, India, South Korea, Argentina, Mexico, Egypt why not throw Iraq or Iran in as well.

Jenson Still wants to drive for Williams dispite the ruling he must stay at Bar for next season.

If Frank Williams wants Jenson so badly i guess he will have to start flashing his checkbook.

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Frank!!! Come & Get Me

McLaren:Sprint:Williams

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I think they'd prefer someone who could actually win a few Grand Prix...

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just spotted the qualies are on ITV2 from 16-30 :)

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yeah makes a change for ITV to show them rather than making us wait till 11:00 on ITV1.

Barrichello on pole with Montoya second. Schuey is in 18th after a engine change penalty

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both light on fuel and m s heavy ??????? , mind you i reckon i wouldnt count out sato and button :tu:

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yeah i think Shuey has more fuel on board and was already prepared for starting 10 places further down. Button and Sato still look good as Button made a mistake and could have gone a few tenths quicker

Ever notcied how Schuey only makes mistakes or has mechanical failures during practices or tests.. very rarely does it happen in a race apart from China this yeat

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It looks like Ferrari are taking their ball home.

link

Its no wonder the other teams are a bit peeved, Ferrari has twice the testing budget of Williams and three times that of MaClaren, however Ferrari don't pay for it, Bridgestone pick up the tab.

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sad to say but true , time for budget limiting i reckon , mind you i reckon the new series starting next year should be good , now what was its name :dunce: :D :D :D :D

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the ideas the other teams are putting together are very good but what they need to also account for is that Mclaren, Williams, BAR, and Ferrari if they sign up shouldn't be allowed to develope computer simulation software to simulate testing. This is just as expensive and needs to be banned as well. Then there is a level playing field.

It would be nice if Ferrari would take a longer team view instead of saying Bridgestone pay for our testing and because of that we win every race. They already have the best designer, team manager, driver and maybe engine as well.. along with the nest reliability and biggest budget.. do they really need any more of an advantage.

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I suspect the real reason Ferrari don't want any part of these ideas is that a level playing field would mean they have no advantage. This is bad for F1.

The problem is that if Ferrari's advantage is not reduced, they will keep winning. If one team keeps winning (any team), it get's boring for the viewer. Fewer viewers = less money for the teams.

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I agree but you are taking a long term look at F1. Ferrari are only thinking about themselves. Until Jean Todt goes I don't think anything will change there.

I think this is one of the reasons the GPWC thing will never work. If it ever gets started and Renault suddenly have a car that is 2 seconds a lap quicker then than Ferrari, BMW etc then they will just block any moves to make changes.

Just hope the FIA force Ferrari to sign the same doc the other 9 teams have.

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Energy drinks company Red Bull is close to buying Jaguar, (according to reports)

Jordan have confirmed they will be on the entry list for 2005 world championship.

A court has ruled the 3 banks that own a 75% share in F1 can pursue their legal battle with Bernie Ecclestone in London later this month.

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Hopefully Bernie will lose control

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4071879.stm

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He should have handed control over when sold 75% to Kirsch back in 2001.
Funny how he managed to retain it, bet he thought them going broke was a sweet deal for him.

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Totally off topic - but hey, I started the thread ;) - the Eurosport commentator for the 'Race of Champions' meeting in the Stade de France, over the weekend, leaked the news that they have signed up to cover the 2005 Champ Car season, starting in April - I know what I'd rather be watching :tu:

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nicely , i jusy hope it is on british eurosport :tu: :disturbd: :disturbd:

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Formula 1, too. ;)

Old Bernie will not like this

Still he will have Ferrari racing themselves.