Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

No because to use your analogy, the sports reports would need to feature all 92 clubs which is completely unworkable.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

So rightly or wrongly the media focus on the more successful, more widely supported clubs. After all, they want higher circulation figures or larger audience share. Personally I can't stand Man Utd, but realise they are going to get alot of coverage in most media.

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But that doesn't correlate with the earlier theory that England get more coverage because of the comparative size of the population - using this theory, that would mean that Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland could, potentially, receive more coverage. However, even as a massive England fan, not only would I not want to see it, but it just wouldn't happen :shrug:

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Sorry if I am going over old ground, but I can't be bothered to read 27 pages of anti-Sassenach invective :monkey:

I was born in Glasgow (Govan - it is like Fallujah, but without the sunshine and friendly people), joined the RAF, and then settled down in Yorkshire (with some time abroad in Europe and NZ).

I have a very simple decision tree
If Scotland are playing, I support Scotland (even against England).
If Scotland aren't playing, I will support England (if they are playing).
If Scotland or England aren't playing, I will support Wales (except against NZ in Rugby Union, as I have spent more time in NZ than in Wales).
As above for NI.

Why do so many Scots feel they have to support two teams - Scotland, and anyone playing against England. We are all part of Great Britain, and the sum of all is greater than the individual parts.

Rant over.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Come on Germany....

German pride forever - the sooner this "world cup" is over, the sooner we can go back to normality. :rolleyes:

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Now I don't think any of us agree with that :disturbd: :p:

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mmmmmmm - nah, you're right ! :monkey:

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You obviously have an incredibly poor knowledge of history - didn't Germany bomb the crap out of your home town? :rolleyes:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

History - boring - your being racist!

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

:confused:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

to be fair - it was 3 generations ago - a couple of generations before that they were on our side, beating 10 bells out of Napoleon

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Yeah, but they didn't beat him on penalties in the quarter finals, did they ;) :D

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Wheres my post gone??!!! Im sure i put in a respond to OB's comment about Germany bombin the **** out of that guy's home town, but its gone!

All i was saying was that whats that got to do with the World Cup? It happened over 60 years ago now! you cant be serious about not supporting germany now for sopmething that happened 60 years back!

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Exactly - Germany is a completely different nation now who have done nothing else this world cup than make travelling supporters welcome.

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:clap:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I'm as serious as anyone who has the 'anyone but england' mentality... :rolleyes:

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Come On Sweden!

Larsson, Larsson, Larsson!

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Damn, I'll have to save my "Two world wars and one world cup! Dooh dah, dooh dah" chant for another day.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I'll agree with that (just as long as the Germans lose to Ecuador first ;) :D )

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Just think - England's World Cup dreams could be OVER in a matter of hours... :D

I hope not though. Seriously.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

IIf you're being serious, and not just joining in the fun, then id say it's stupid attitudes like "dont support the Germans cause of the war" , that makes non english folk living in England not wanna support England.

What makes me laugh is that Scotland, Wales and Ireland have all accepted that their national teams are not good enough to win the world cup. the quicker england fans accept that too the easier it will be to take in a knockout at this years quarter final stage!

i wanna see england top the group, and then get spanked by the Germans.... its the war comment that did it!

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Well, days really Russ - don't forget that England have qualified from the group regardless, so we're still definitely there until Saturday at least ;)

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

How do you work that out? We're through to the knockouts, regardless of todays results. Anyway, we'll beat Sweden. They couldn't beat T&T , when we did. :shrug:

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No you don't, sing it loud and proud. :tu:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Just!

Anyway - i think England will get past this stage and the next, assuming you dont end up with the Germans, but past that - unless you get lucky again and do a Germany last time round - Your out of here!

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Why is everyone getting excited over a 19th Century Swedish painter :rolleyes:
http://www.clg.se/

Nah, I can see why people like him, if you read wikipedia :confused: - interesting bit in bold

Larsson started his professional career playing for HÃÃâ€*’¶gaborg at the age of 17. He subsequently played for Helsingborgs IF and Feyenoord. Although he was finalising the details of the contract with Grasshopper-Club ZÃÃâ€*’¼rich in 1993 he moved to Feyenoord for £295,00 0. Following a complicated contract dispute with Feyenoord, he was signed by Celtic manager Wim Jansen in July 1997 for a fee of £650,000. His debut against Hibernian at Easter Road was less than spectacular: he inadvertently passed the ball to Hibs player, Chic Charnley, resulting in a 2 - 1 loss for Celtic. He didn't fare much better in his first European game, scoring an own goal, although Celtic did run out 6 - 2 winners.

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Poor show mate - perhaps you should have read the whole lot as opposed to selecting a few tit bits...

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Oh the irony...whooosh.... :rolleyes:

Scotland, Wales and NI didn't even sodding well qualify. At least England have a chance of winning!

Grow up.

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Actually, as you probably know, I work with a Scot, and we went through our predictions for the knockout stages. Obviously, it depends on todays results, but we both thought that England would get through to the semi-finals (beating Ecuador and Portugal in the 2nd round and quarter-final respectively), and then lose to Brazil. Mind you, we reckon Argentina will stuff Brazil in the final as well, so who knows :D

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Yeah, but why should the England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland fans accept failure in the World Cup? Any one of those teams could (theoretically) win the Cup. What's so wrong with having hope?

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND









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In all seriousness tho, I dont think england will get past the germans, and ecuador could cause an upset too. Either way the next round is gonna be a tough match, and i cant see Germany losing so early in the tournament.

The portuguese :) will beat england (again) if theey meet before the semis

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

TBR, I was winding you up, mate :)

I was born in Govan, Glasgow - they take to the Celtic match on the way to get Baptised, that way you get both religions on the same day :tu:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

It's not looking good - Owen trips over a daisy in the first minute and is stretchered off and all the action seems to be in the England half...

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Not all bad... Joe Cole & Rooney are looking very sharp...

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I agree about Rooney - he's looking devastating.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

What was that I was saying about Joe Cole? ;)

Goal of the tournament surely. Reminds me of Yeboah, the king of 30+ yard vollies.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Now THAT was a goal.

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And that's got to leave a mark :D

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

yesssssss

Pick that out!

:D

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Group winners. :D

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Some frankly awful English defending tonight....but 2 good goals.

Still, at least you guys qualified eh? That's all that counts right?

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Again, Henrik does it.....

ik

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... and won our group, meaning we play Ecuador instead of Germany, a good result I'd say. Also, at least our second goal was worthy unlike the pathetic attempt by Sweden.

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A goal is still a goal right? That's what you lot say when England bundle one over the goal line?

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Oh so bitter, don't worry, your sectarian compadre will be in a minute claiming a Swedish victory then you two can stink this thread up more than a mouldy vineyard again.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Indeed, a goal is a goal. Credit to Sweden, they repeatedly hit us where it hurts: the set pieces. With our defence in such a nervous state, I am all the gladder that we can enjoy the rewards of *winning* our group by avoiding a huge team like Germany at the beginning of the knockout stage.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

MWAHHHHAHAHHAHA!

First good team you get - your out... The vultures are circling... Your guff!

I stick by my prediction, you'll get past Ecuador, beyond that - history!

Tata England.

Your nowhere near good enough for this competition.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

This is what this thread is about, the way it was going I thought we were in danger of having some sort of love in :Yikes: ;)

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Tell you what mate, go have a read of my posts in this thread then come back when you know what you're talking about ;)

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Well, as an England fan (so what the hell am I doing here :confused: :disturbd: ), I thought we dominated the first half, and then completely ballsed up the second :shrug: I wouldn't mind, but it was an ex-Villa player who scored the first Sweden goal, and it looks like it was another who scored the second, dammit!

FWIW, I think we'll get through the next round and probably knacker it against Portugal now (yep, I've revised my opinion :p: )

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

All true. I thought England were (finally) playing well in the first half and for once kept playing, and looked likely to score a second. What happened in the second half, who knows?

However I think (hope), you will knacker it against Holland, rahter than Portugal :D

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Fair enough :D

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Is that why we won our group, over sweden, by two points? Because we're guff? Um, OK then. :erm:

England were fab in the first half (although wtf was the swede thinking bringing on crouch rather than walcott?? :rolleyes: ). Secong half was poor, although another fab screamer from Gerrard made me smile again. England win their group - Yay. :D

Anyway, I thought Sweden were going to beat us TBR? No? OK then.

I suppose you're supporting Ecuador next? It must be awful not to be able to get behind and loyally support your own home team because they're that ****e that they didn't even qualify. Poor sod.

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Pardon me if I find that all a little hollow, coming from one whose team isn't even in Germany this month.

Guff? I could say 'same to you with knobs on' ... but that would be childish.

:shrug:

;)

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Soo bitter...

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Has anyone got a slice of humble pie i could eat? :)

Well having said Sweden will beat them, Im still not convinced England will progress beyond the next round. Although didnt owen Hargreaves do well.and as for Joe Cole's goal, mmmmmmmmm

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Indeed. If he'd just even acknowledged that in the first half England were indeed NOT guff, I'd have the tiniest bit of respect for TBRs opinions. BUt he's just proven, it's bitter bitter bitter all the way for him. :rolleyes:

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Hargreaves did do well in the first half (much to my surpise, as I think he's generally crap), but went back to true form in the second half. Englands defending was POOR, especially for Swedens second goal. Very poor indeed. BUt they CAN do better, and I beleive they will. :tu:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I think it was a bit much to call England 'guff' but with the exception of Rooney and Joe Cole it was another unimpressive performance. Now don't be silly and say that Brazil etc haven't had good games either because this isn't about Brazil! Despite the thread title, I think we can see which team has had the most discussion ;)

Of course you do! And I believe they won't :)

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This is coming from someone who's team weren't even good enough to qualify for the competition in the first place ;)

I am no great fan of Crouch, but at least he has some experience of playing in high level games, unlike Walcott. :erm: I really do think that taking Walcott was a massive mistake. He may be a great future talent, but that is what it is, the future not now.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Crouch did nothing yesterday and seeing as he was on a yellow already, another booking would have rendered him out for the next game anyway. And also, we could afford to lose the game, so why not bring on Walcott? He's played at under 21 national games - how is he supposed to get experience if the swede won't even play him? Waste of a plane ticket if you ask me. The swede should also have taken Defoe with him. Sometimes, I think the swede wants England to lose...

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

The Swede should definately have bought on Walcott either for Owen or Rooney. What is the point of taking him to the world cup? Wasnt Gerrard also on a yellow card? The swede hasnt got anything to lose now, he wont be england manager after the world cup, and as a result I dont think he really cares anymore.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Fair enough, I won't mention Brazil then. But all those 'anyone but england' fan boys are saying England won't win because they've been unimpressive. But if most of the other teams have been unimpressive too (which they have IMO with a couple of exceptions), why do they think England don't stand a chance? You can't have it both ways. :shrug:


You hope they won't you mean. :rolleyes:

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Because England simply aren't good enough - easy. Other teams have misfired but are impressive sides and play well togather. IMO the same cannot be said about England.

No, as I've said throughout this thread I hope England win. But I know they won't! :)

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After all, it doesn't matter how bad you are, as long as you are better than the other teams.

One thing I really don't understand is being shown in this thread. Barring any previous racial problems (which we have been told are irrelevant to the discussion) between the English and Scots (and to a certain extent, the Welsh), why can certain members note be happy that at least one team in our Kingdom is doing OK. Why have the attitude that "My team have failed, everyone else should too"?

I personally want England to win the world cup. They probably won't, but they seem to be having a go at it. But, I would be perfectly happy to see Scotland, Wales or Ireland do well, or even Win.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

That's the difference bewteen them and us. If England weren't in it and ROI were, I'd be after ROI (mothers team), or Spain (dads home). And I certainly wouldn't be supporting 'anyone but Scotland or Wales'. It's incredibly childish and bitter.

I think England stand as good a chance as any. We do need to click more (and I think that started yesterday), but as players go, ours ARE amongst the best in the world.

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Wales = Scotland Lite, still bitter, but at least have the wit to try and cover it up :D

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Having lived in both Wales and Scotland, I am sad to say that nationalism in both countries does have an unfortunate, negative, bitter streak to it. This is not to say that 'the Welsh' or 'the Scots' are negative, bitter people. Far from it. But there is a group within the nationalist-sympathising people of those nations who seem able to express their national pride only in terms of hatred towards England and an utterly bizarre denial of the connection between the home nations in these islands.

Scotland may, just, become an independent nation one day, or at the very least an autonomous one within the UK. At the moment, however, its just not mature enough. Unionists have nothing to fear until Scotland grows up enough to choose something other than a song about a 700-year-old military victory over England as its 'national anthem'.

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Been explained loads of times in this thread, it's not our problem if you haven't read it yet!

Me too.

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In some parts of Wales possibly - but that's like saying when I lived in Oxford for 6 months in 2001 I found out that anti-Welsh and nationalist feelings exist in England.

You get it anywhere mate!

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Unfortunately,

this is what it can lead to! :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5101184.stm :(

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Yes, you do. It's a shame. When my friend was living in South Wales (just outside Brigdend :erm: ), I used to go there most weekends. A bit rough tbh, but the welsh seem a very fun loving humourous bunch of people. I had a right laugh, anyway! Although, when she was looking for a house, she was warned away from certain areas by the welsh estate agent, as some villages didn't like english people apparently... :erm:

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Utter rubbish. A complete urban myth which belongs in the 1970s.

No doubt there exists a small level of ignorance, just like when I was in Oxford and was often told by the Sloane-types to "get back down the mines".

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

:shrug: Just telling what she was told :shrug:

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She's either lying to you or that estate agent wasn't interested in the sale. It's possible that sort of thing occasionally happens in North Wales but it's definately rare down south. With the M4 we have a LOT of English people here. The only time it can cause a problem is in pubs if people are monged off their face and and an English person is speaking a little loud - and in those cases all that will happen is petty words might be spoken. This happened a few years ago when Neil and a few others came down to Swansea and we went to a pub - no trouble, just a few curious chavs.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I lived in Lampeter for three years, at University. There were several pubs it was understood students (specifically, English students) did not go into. The aftermath of the England v Wales Five Nations (as it then was) match was always a dodgy night to go out on the town, although the year Wales beat us (1993 IIRC) was the worst, as the local chafs (geddit) were roaming the street, steaming drunk, and picking fights with anyone passing by asking them 'are you English?' Nearby there was a farmer who resented there being a public footpath on his land and whose wife one day accosted a group of my friends who were out walking, yelling at them, 'I wish the IRA would bomb your f***ing college!'

Before and since university, I lived close enough to North Wales to be familiar with it, and the holiday home / estate agent firebombings that occurred during the 1980s, and I have English friends who live in Bala and who know that if they go into certain pubs in the outlying villages, they will get a hostile reception and any conversations taking place in English will immediately switch to Welsh. I have also driven the length and breadth of that magnificent country and have come across plenty of roadsigns whose English has been carefully painted out to leave them in Welsh only.

Bitter, anti-English nationalism is a sad reality in Wales today. I am sure it is a minority pursuit, and I love Wales, and have several Welsh friends. I have never met a Welsh individual I didn't like (apart from that farmer's wife). But I think it's a mistake to believe it is confined either to the 1970s, or the north.

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I just don't think that someone whos only first team experience is a few games in the championship, should be playing just yet for the international side. Get experience of club football first. Like I said, in a few years, just not now.

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I don't! You've said about your North Wallian experiences - Lampeter is a law unto it's own and the majority of us normal people won't go there :D

What you've said just indicates the vast minority attitude which is being erradicated - when was the last time you heard anything from Meibion Glyndwr? FWIW I absolutely condemn attacks, verbal or physical, on anyone due their nationality. Banter is another subject though!

I experienced anti-Welsh feeling in Oxford - you've experienced anti-English attitudes in Wales. It just goes to show the ignorance is all over the UK.

Bit off-topic mind.....:disturbd:

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But he's already played for England under 21's. The swede should have played him yesterday, there was nothing to lose.

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Sadly, in Scotland too. Terrible - he's seven for ****s sake! LINK

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Pathetic - mindless thuggery.

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At the risk of repeating myself from another thread :monkey:

With apologies to Baddiell and Skinner :p:

He's coming home,
He's coming home
Owen's coming home.

Three minutes on the pitch,
Michael Owen stood dreaming
tripped on a piece of dirt
Like a girl lay screaming

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/5100516.stm

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

On a lighter note apparently a conversation was overheard between Eriksson and Mclaren before the Sweden game. Sven said, 'you take the first half, i'll take the second'. :D

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"Many players"??

Let's count them. Crouch? Ok. Rooney? Still not 100%. Walcott? Unproven. Gerrard? Out of position. Ditto Lampard and Joe Cole.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Just back from a Stag do in Magaluf. Had some great banter with a few England fans over there, others didn't really like our banter. How we avoided a kicking I'll never know!

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A less than 100% rooney is better than most players. Plus both Gerrard and Lampard knocked in more than twenty goals each last season.

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But hardly reliable as strikers. Gerrard or Lamps up front means a somewhat weakened midfield -which is where I believe England's strength is.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

What about Lennon, Jenas, Carrick to fill the midfield if Gerrard (who has proven time and time again you can play him anywhere) and Fatty were to move forward?

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

True - but Gerrard will be out of position. Not what you can call reliable. He'd be better off as an attacking midfielder.

Hardly the 'many' that Sven was on about.

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I bet Eriksson is regretting choosing Walcott now instead of Defoe.

Anyways, Although Eriksson prefers the 4-4-2, I think it makes a lot more sense instead of gambling on the health of a couple of strikers (one who hasn't even recovered from a broken foot yet), to move to a 4-5-1 formation. Our midfield is one of the strongest in the tournament anyway, so that won't hurt. It will avoid putting too much stress on the strikers. They only have 5 days between games and that includes practicing...

By-the-by, awful lot of England chat in an anthing-but-England thread isn't it? :erm: ;)

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Whilst we were, avoiding defeat ensured that we didn't get Germany, not to mention that I just didn't want them to lose anyway.

Walcott has only a small amount of games in the championship and no experience of playing in the top league and I think that the u21's are a bit different to the first team. So dumping him into the first team is asking too much of him. Like I did say, maybe in the future, but I would have liked him to gotten a bit of experience first. The national team is not the academy side after all.

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Well, had a good time in the local watching the game last night. Shame that one of the Girls in our group insisted on shouting "Sweden, Sweden" and cheering every time they scored..

The scary thing is, I don't think she's Swedish. She does sound English. Having said that, I don't really know her that well, and any good Swedish school teaches it's pupils both in Swedish and English, with the result it's often difficult to tell they are not English (Ulrika Jonsson being an example of this).

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I've been thinking the same thing dude. :D

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:gpoint:

So, do you think Scotland will qualify for the 2010 World cup ?

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

They might have had a chance to auto qualify as co-host for 2014.

England were looking to try and host the 2014 world cup but they've withdrawn because apparently wembley still won't be finished...

:D

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It probably will be, but it expected that Rooney and Owen will not be able to play due to injury :D

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I may be putting myself out in a limb here, but...........

if the media did not hype up England as much, with all the rooney is the best, who we will get in quarters, semis & final.

how fantastic they are, 66, and all that garbage.....


maybe more scots would show support for them.

but the media is not going to change, so neither is most of the scots :D

ik

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

At last! Someone who understands :D

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Why don't you make your mind up? In another thread you said you were "rooting for England" so either you do support them or you don't. You appear to be changing your mind dependent on who you've got online to back you up.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I asked that question too, but then one of the mods currently online (BTW, that's not that many!) deleted the thread...

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Where have I indicated that I'm not supporting England?

If you'd read my last post in there you'd have seen that I was moving it so the off-topic posts could be removed but it would return (as it has now).

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Difficult to quote it now, because it's no longer there, but you said something along the lines of you being ambivalent about England - hardly 'supporting', is it?
I now realise that the thread has been sanitised. Sorry for calling it 'deleted'.

I didn't think the posts were OT, since the issue was about mis-placed nationalism - which I think was being explored.

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The chap who posted before you said that Scotland would probably support England if the media didn't hype them so much, inferring that because of the media, he didn't support England, you then said "at last, someone who understands" inferring that you were of exactly the same mind, i.e. that you don't support England because of the media, so either you do, or you don't.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

No, it's difficult to quote because I didn't say it. Nowhere have I said I don't want England to win. Better luck next time at putting words in my mouth.

:rolleyes:

It's about the way it was being discussed.

I'm inferring that? Rubbish! What I'm saying is he understands why so many people are against an England win! If I didn't want to see England succeed I would have already said that somewhere on this site. Instead I've posted numerous times I'd like to see them lift the cup (even if it means it's all we'll hear about for the next 40 years), plus I hinted at that in my sig!

I've also made it clear that I don't think England have the quality to win - but that doesn't mean I don't want them to do it!

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It really is quite laughable, you say things like:

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If it was only jealousy then we'd get over it quick enough - but no, the rest of us are tired of the way the media glorifies everything England does and the BBC's incredible biased approach is what makes us happy to watch another failure at the World Cup for Sven's men

Yep, definately a stereotypical England fan who would rather point out the faults of other teams than realise his own team won't win

Yes, the difference is we know we're crap - you lot are under the dilusion you're in with a chance of winning the whole thing

Again! Rather than face up to the fact your team will fail yet again, you attack my team

I really don't know who I want to win this game. On one hand this WC has made me lean slightly towards England, yet my nationality dictates I should take pleasure in watching them lose.

Brazil, France, Holland, Argentina - England don't exactly gave a shining record against those? But as you say, who cares - it's not as if England will win the World Cup

England won't win the World Cup. Just accept it - I have!

Because they're not good enough?

Oh and I'll stick my neck out here and say England won't win the World Cup - fact.

Easy - because they're not good enough to win it - so they won't

You've just about gauranteed yourself a pile of gloating PMs when England fail again

Just think - England's World Cup dreams could be OVER in a matter of hours

Because England simply aren't good enough - easy. Other teams have misfired but are impressive sides and play well togather. IMO the same cannot be said about England.

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Then you temper it with some droll line like "but I hope they win!", as if it's an afterthought to stop people having a poke at you, judging by what you've posted in this thread, you're certainly not support England in any way and you're just trying to cover your own back.