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Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield quits Labour Party - criticising Sir Keir Starmer in resignation letter
Ms Duffield accuses government of pursuing "cruel and unnecessary" policies and attacks prime minister for "hypocrisy" over free gifts row.

https://news.sky.com/story/rosie-duf...ur-mp-13224014


hypocrisy -isn't that a lovely word to use about your own leader

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I'm wondering if he will last to see their first budget.

At least Truss managed that!

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... and what a fine job she made of it. ;)

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Yeah using Truss’ tenure to discuss Budgets may not be all that productive. I mean, almost bankrupting the economy in the space of a few days takes some real beating.

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"mini-budget"… ;)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66897881

Probably not the best example of a target to reach…

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Could be worse…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...e-netherlands/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Covid-vaccines

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He isn't in any danger but it's a rough start. He will get a few years barring any massive story but they do need to show progress as we come to the end of the first term.

In the end it will be the economy, the NHS and crime that will dictate how it will go.

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Keir Starmer hits new low in personal popularity ratings


Even before the Labour gathering in Liverpool – originally billed as a chance to celebrate its return to power after 14 years – Starmer’s ratings had collapsed 45 points since July to -26 by last weekend (with 24% approving of the job he was doing, against 50% who disapproved). Conference week, however, saw a further drop of four points to -30, by far the lowest he has ever recorded.

And despite promising to lead a “government of service” and rebuild faith in politics, only 17% of people think it is doing well in this regard, against 58% who think it is doing badly.

Doing well then:rolleyes:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/keir-starm...WWW7M3FHeljVi1

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I see on the news that despite the face KS said they will not raise tuition fees, they are now looking at raising them inline with inflation.


Now you see you I was the only one brave enough to click on Tory in the recent election pole.

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You genuinely wanted more of the last 14 years?! Seriously?

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Surely you didn't expect the truth or him not to u turn on every pledge, i mean his nickname was sir flip flop.

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I think 2/3 months is a little early to fully judge the current Govt, but you have to admit its not been a great start.

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It’s amazing how many people seem to think 2 to 3 months is plenty enough time to judge a government trying to fix a mess caused by 14 years to “austerity” and corruption.

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one of starmers own mp's wrote

“Someone with far-above-average wealth choosing to keep the Conservatives’ two-child limit to benefit payments which entrenches children in poverty, while inexplicably accepting expensive personal gifts of designer suits and glasses costing more than most of these people can grasp — this is entirely undeserving of holding the title of Labour prime minister.”

She added: “Forcing a vote [on the winter fuel payment] to make many older people iller and colder while you and your favourite colleagues enjoy free family trips to events most people would have to save hard for — why are you not showing even the slightest bit of embarrassment?”


It's quite an achievement to sully the office of Primeminister in 12 short weeks and have an MP resign the party whip.

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It is, and by no means is this a competition. But nobody has ever, or ever could, sullied the office of the PM quite as impressively as bullshitting Boris.

(57 resignations under his ensure).

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That may afford you some comfort but ms Duffield was referencing todays primeminister not a past pm, we have had 3 primeministers since borris,can't say i've been impressed by any of them

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I don't know why anyone would think it would "afford me some comfort" given that I as well as everyone else had to live through all that general shithousery.

But there's nothing wrong with stating the pointlessness of comparing one Prime Minister who's has one MP resign during his tenure with another who managed to get 57 rats deserting the sinking ship.

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it usualy starts with one,and it's only been 12 weeks ,i wonder if thats a record.

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I'm guessing it's almost as impressive as 57 in 13 days.

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So as someone who’s supposedly ‘brave brought’ to click Tory. Would you care to comment on Kemi Badenochs statement regarding maternity pay ?

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But shouldn't we be discussing the current Government's policies? I mean, Rosie Duffield's letter to the Prime Minister, really is a keeper. :rofl:

Oh dear

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we should but all you get is drivel about ex prime ministers and 14 years constantly spouted it's quite tedious and irellevant to the debate but it serves to distract from todays problems.

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Aw Papa, I don't think our members would use diversion tactics. They are concerned about the Country not political point scoring. Those who voted Labour, well, this is their moment - surely they won't waste it by harping back for years? :monkey:

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Was that MPs resigning or simply not seeking re-election for an election that they were likely to lose?

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Resigning.

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As MPs?

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Just doing what the Tory fanboys were doing during the last 14 year shitshow.

Or is it different for when Labour are in power?

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From government

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At least we agree you're supporting a shitshow:tu:

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I’m not supporting anyone

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So are you....:confused:

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that was the local council elections,i didn't vote labour or con in the general election

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A well used worn out trope, wheeled out feverishly by Labour and their supporters that don’t really know what actually happened.

https://thecritic.co.uk/no-liz-truss...h-the-economy/

Also, a trope not challenged by the Tories at the time, as it suited them so that they could oust Truss and install Sunak, as the pesky membership didn’t vote the correct way.

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They’re not being judged on that…..yet.

They’re being judged on this:…….

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2374277.html



Well millions of pensioners won’t feel better off.

They’re being judged because they came into office and were immediately found out to be everything they accused the other lot of being

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Absolutely correct, comparing Prime Ministers is completely pointless, but you keep doing it.

Boris isn’t here, calling back to him serves no purpose.

Starmer is PM, and he (and Labour) are not living up to their own hype.

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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck……………..it’s a duck.

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To me, people voted for a competent, drama-free government and an end to corruption. It's not a great look to be seen to be taking so many freebies and this political misjudgement does not tick the competent box.

Whilst it's not the best of starts, Starmer has a big majority, time on his side and an opposition currently focused on electing its new leader.

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She's out of order.


But as said on TV last night during a paper review.


Many women out there rely on it.


We need those people who don't need it to say so and not claim it.

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Comparing a prime minister to previous prime ministers is an absolutely sensible thing to do. We benchmark broadband providers, energy providers etc so why not Prime Ministers?

What is is not so good is to resort to whataboutery to detract from analysis of a prime minister.

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Highly unlikely that people are going to say that they don’t need free money. So that would mean the government would need to decide and implement a limit at which new mothers wouldn’t qualify.

Now, just hang on a minute…..

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So we're agreed 57 MPs resigned during 2 weeks of Boris' tenure? Great, glad to have you onboard at last. I personally know one of the MPs from that list. She's the only Tory I've ever heard of with some moral value.


Really.......because someone on here is....

You're not really trying very hard are you? It's almost as if....you're letting an agenda get in the way of facts

And had it not been for Marcus Rashford millions of kids would have gone hungry. Labour aren't doing well, but ANY party following the previous 14 years' shitshow of 'austerity' and corruption wouldn't do well


Quoting out of context now? Imprerssive. So you comparing parties is not "completely pointless" but comparing PM is? Any chance we can get a roadmap of your agenda, just to help us out a bit?


You're really still not trying very hard are you? Maybe put the agenda on one side and go look for actual facts?

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/bo...iphDC3C4lJjeHy


...yet I don't give a f***.

Keep up with whatever fallacy or agenda is fueling you.

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Well the quote you selected was in my answer to your claim that Truss sank the economy, I didn't agree anything about the 57 MPs and never referred to them. So I've no idea who you are directing that remark to, but it's not me.

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Speculation is not "facts", try harder.

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So now you’re disagreeing that 57 MPs resigned under Boris in 2 weeks.

Impressive.

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I went and researched it. Have you researched anything that states Boris won’t ever be planning a return to politics?

I guessing the answer is “no”.

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I'll let someone else answer that point.


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I didn't agree, or disagree. I didn't comment on it.

Your trying to argue with me over something I haven't said on a point I haven't engaged with, A bit deranged really.

Well, you did a quick google and came up with a speculative article, of which there are very many, that has no basis in "fact".

But,....well researched.

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Some would call that a cop-out. I'll leave that to them.

There are those saying how after 3 months Starmer is apparently "the worst PM". It's not "whataboutery" to compare him to bullshitting Boris no matter how you want to dress it up.


I did exactly the same about Labour's performance so far and you decided I'm a Labour fan as a result. Different rules for you then? Sorry, you don't get away with that one.

As above. You've decided I'm a Labour fan (which I'm not). Looks and sounds like a duck remember?


No I went back to a discussion from a different forum when at the time there was more than just a bit of speculation that the Tories would try to bring Boris back to avoid such a crushing defeat. There were quite a few links cited from various sources, that was just one.


Your appreciation is neither needed, wanted or holds any relevance.

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I'm starting to get really tired of all this schoolyard bickering. Pack it in or get removed from the topic.

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Lord Alli under investigation

Lord Alli investigated by Lords commissioner, the free gear peer under investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cs-news-latest





It comes after a backlash over tens of thousands of pounds worth of gifts accepted by the prime minister from the peer, a major party donor.

According to an update published on Parliament’s website on Wednesday, Lord Alli is being investigated by the Lords’ commissioner for “alleged non-registration of interests leading to potential breaches of paragraphs 14(a) and 17 of the thirteenth edition of the code of conduct”.

These rules relate to making clear what the interests are that might be reasonably thought to influence a member’s parliamentary actions and ensuring entries are up to date.

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Good - anyone who breaks the rules should face sanctions.

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From the same link:

So Rosie Duffield's message has got through. So is the PM a changed man or just a covert hypocrite now?

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Good to see this too.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...3b7d9994&ei=10

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Changing the rules going forward is better than paying it back after you've been caught.

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There should be evidence of him being caught with his trousers down. Perhaps Ms Rayner's £68kpa "image improvement" photographer could get a snap? :D

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i'll take option 2

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6 grand is that a token payement -untill he pays back the rest of it

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He has made a gesture if goodwill. He doesn't have to pay it back.

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Or is it guilt money ?this smells worse every day,obviously he's done nothing wrong and theres nothing to see here.

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On a related note…

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...cy-guru-s-home

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words fail me

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Thought they might… ;)

(For the hard of thinking, the difference is that one declared it in the Register of Members Interests, the other didn’t…)

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I'm shure your friends will appreciate the gesture

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https://news.sky.com/story/chancello...warns-13231148


Tax and spend, tax and spend.

A leopard never changes its spots.

All those virtue signalling muppets people that say “ I don’t mind paying more tax as long as it means - nhs/ services/ insert whatever - works”

Well, it looks like you’ll get your chance.

They can’t go after the rich, they can’t go after the poor. Watch out middle income U.K., they’ll come for you, and don’t think that they’re done with pensioners yet…………..

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And in other news………

https://news.sky.com/story/yvette-co...scort-13231041


You never get something for nothing [quote]The Met were reportedly reluctant to sign it off as a blue-light escort is typically reserved for senior members of the Royal Family and high-level politicians, as it comes at huge expense to the taxpayer
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In addition to the tax increases the workers are going to see, there's also a lot of incompetence and micro management going on behind the scenes.

All government departments have had their spending limit approvals slashed from £2m to £50k, that means that any expenditure even if it's inside an existing budget needs cabinet office approval.

I am told that the system has ground to a halt and that the delays are currently running at 16 weeks for approvals. The knock on effect from this will be projects not approved in time to spend the money before the end of the financial year, meaning they will lose the budget so the work wont get done.

Contract renewal for individuals like myself has been on hold, they have now drip-fed a small contract through after a 10 week delay. Additionally they are trying to cut the number of consultants and rates they are paying consultants, which has already meant that some have walked to take a contract elsewhere.

In my case I have requested a contract for 2.5 days a week, as the engineering lead as part of a small team they say I am critical to the project. I suppose there are some that will think they are saving money by cutting consultant rates and not employing their services for 10 weeks.

The project I am working on is to fix a problem that is currently estimated to be costing you and me (assuming you pay tax) over £1M for every working day until the problem is fixed. If it wasn't taxpayers money I would be laughing at how much the incompetence is costing.

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Can't comment on you but in the past found consultants a costly solution. :shocked:

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Consultants are not the answer to every problem, but they can save much more money than they cost but you do however need to employ the right one.

I suppose if you are not going to use consultants to deal with a particular issue requiring specific skills, the other option is to hire and fire when the work is done and the specific skill is no longer required. (Too late Labour is closing that loophole allegedly)

Consultants can be the only solution as the civil service seems to be generally very short of technical expertise. The civil service has some departments with very clever people, but they struggle to fill these sorts of posts and to retain, as the excellent benefits such as workload and pension are generally not enough to overcome the low pay.

If you are tasking a large company to undertake a small package of a week or so of investigative work followed by a report, you are not going to get much change out of £50k. If you are employing a consultant who knows his subject, you don't need to avoid many such unnecessary activities for him to save you money. Prime contractors are more than happy to undertake any work a civil servant tasks them with, whether necessary or not.

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Car tax for EVs……….it was never about saving the planet

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-...sions-vehicles

£190. Honeymoon’s over. Pay more if your cars worth more than £40,000

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That's not new or unexpected. It was mentioned a year or two ago that come 2025 there would be some for of car tax on EVs.

In fact that article was published on April 9th. So it's not a Labour thing but a legacy of our Tory overlords.

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Tax incentives are what they are. In the case of EVs they absolutely were about ‘saving the planet’ as that was the stated policy aim. Whether you believe the policy was effective is neither here nor there. Chancellors don’t give out tax discounts for no reason.

It is also the case that tax incentives designed to drive a change in consumer behaviour or kick-start a new product/market/service will come to an end when the benefit of doing so is outweighed by the need to collect the tax. This isn’t the first such ‘pump-priming’ tax incentive to come to an end and it won’t be the last.

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I have a nasty feeling that small, personal import packages from the likes of Temu are going to get hammered with import taxes and VAT. Also vaping will get a massive "vice tax" dropped on it, whilst disposable vape devices will be banned. And those that consume alcohol and tobacco will get hammered yet again.

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It's not the vaping, drinking or smoking that is of concern to me. It's the heating and eating for those who are already struggling.

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To me, it always seems to be those that are smoking and drinking that attend food banks the most often, with their big dogs and electric bikes.

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Bit of a huge generalisation there.

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You forgot the top-of-the-range mobile phone.:D

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they turn up in 4x4s and other expensive cars,and then load up with as much as they can :shocked:

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A pouch of baccy is £30 at the newsagents ,the same pouch is £8 at the european shops[ smuggled in obviously ] ,pluss they sell any size of vape you want at a fraction of the normal price,it's rife around here the authorities can't keep ahead of the illegal trade.

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I's what I see every time I pass by one just before they open. No OAPs to be seen.

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At present, anyone can sell vaping kit and fluids, I expect that to be addressed with a move to (paid) licencing. That'll keep the Trading Standards bods busy.

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The whole smoking and vaping taxes are a joke when you can buy the smuggled vesion practically anywhere,the government say less people are smoking but they are just not smoking registered products.

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Never has anything been stopped by banning it, it just moves to the black market. Life carries on, government miss out on tax revenue.

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I have not paid UK tax on my smoking for over 3 years now. Thank god for a friend who drives to Europe and back every month in a truck :)

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I have not paid any tax on my smoking for 38 years now. ;)

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It’ll be interesting to see the results from these tax cuts. After all, we all saw how successful the decade of austerity was.

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we sure did millions of people paid not to work durin the covid pandemic thanks to fiscal prudence in the past

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Saving a few quid? Stop buying those silly disposable vapes then. Use a proper one with rechargeable batteries. Then only buying liquid and coils every so often.

Also why link to a random site? Could be seen as a bit spammy.

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Yeah that’s right. Rishi only set it to last 4 months but when he got embarrassed by the fact that other European countries were doing it for 12+ months he extended it. Tories have a habit of doing that (Marcus Rashford and the school meals).

Either way, at least it was better than giving his mates £40bn.

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It seems that Rach hasn’t yet grasped that an increase in employers’ National Insurance contributions will cost the public services substantially more to the extent that the net increase in resources she’s promised Wes Streeting for the NHS will be minimal. What is more, the inflation busting increase to the national minimum wage will make things even worse.

And it is strange to note that although the government is making much of its stance that the budget will not hurt ‘working people’ (not defined), she is increasing maximum bus fares from £2 to £3. Does she not realise that the ‘working classes’ are the biggest users of the bus?

The more we hear about the proposals that are expected to be announced in this forthcoming budget on Wednesday, the more bizarre and surreal it gets!

You wanted change? Well, this is what it looks like. High public spending, more borrowing, tax rises, carte blanche for maximum disruption by trade unions and nothing worthwhile to show for it. Same old Labour.

Roll on the next General Election.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...-the-nhs-dear/

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i think starmers idea of a working person is a man wearing a flat cap cycling to work with his snap tin in his bag working for 6 quid a week and going out for a brown ale on a friday night .

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Yet by some curious contortion of thought, he considers himself and his fellow MPs as ‘working class’! Hilarious.

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By working person he clearly means people who depend on a salaried income as opposed to shares or property income.

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Shit definition

I am salaried, and have a modest…very modest…share portfolio.

Am I a semi-working person?

They are idiots.

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You don't depend on that share portfolio for you income. But you do depend upon your salary, which makes you a working person according to Starmer's definition.

The sooner the Budget has been announced (although it's pretty much been leaked anyway), the sooner I hope we can stop worrying about what makes a working person or not!

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Its not a tax though is it.

Its a benefit, people would pay even more without it.

Its been £2 since it started (I believe about 2 years ago ?).

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I have shares as well, but they're nowhere near enough to call them income, so that comes from my salary.

I don't think it is difficult to understand the difference between people who derive their income from their labour and those who do it from existing assets.

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Of course it's difficult and the more you explain it the harder it will be for them to understand

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The real idiots here are those that expect a simple answer to a complex question. By demanding Starmer to try and come up with an answer that the Daily Mail readers can grasp, he will always fail. The subject is complex and nuanced so he did the best he could given his target audience.

The real problem the critics have with this is that the gravy train they have been on for year is finally being addressed. The unequal tax regime between salaried income and non-salaried income has been a blight for years with successive Governments going to the cash cow of salaried tax payers to raise revenue while the asset rich quietly watched, happy in the knowledge that their accountants had made sure they were fine.

By starting the process in equalising taxation from CGT, Dividends, etc. to that of employment earnings, Labour will make a start on addressing one of the major inequalities in the UK.

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If they don't want to understand it, then they won't. ;)

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They can grasp it.

This is all confected outrage. When we talk of workers we generally think of people whose income comes from their direct labour. People on salaries or self-employed.

We don't think of people who gain passive income from investments.

No honest person is that confused about this and thinks they're not workers because they own a few thousand pounds worth of shares or they have some savings gaining interest. When we talk of class in this country this divide is now probably the most important one, the answer to the question of if you need to work or not.

There is plenty to criticise about this budget regarding workers, i.e increasing the employers' NI contributions will indirectly tax workers. You can argue Labour never should have made this promise at all and instead should reverse last year's NI cut because it was never budgeted for in the first place. You could also argue that by far the biggest tax increase in tomorrow's budget will be that the tax bands are once again being frozen pushing more people into the higher tax bands despite inflation eroding the values of those salaries. An honest budget would go back to last year's NI rate and tell everyone upfront about the freezing of the bands. The tax burden on the middle-class is already very high so there isn't much scope to increase it beyond those measures anyway.

But instead of those substantive points, we get this disingenuous nonsense. Just liars everywhere arguing fiction between each other. This budget is a tax increase on workers, the last Tory budget was an tax increase on workers, it's needed because the economy has no growth and nobody is confused what workers mean.

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With all this talk of Labour's tax rises/freebees/physical assault etc at least Brexit is off the menu on CF for the first time in years :clap:.

Back on topic, all the people here seem very concerned about the impact of the budget on them. One question, (no flame war please), does £33k a year in benefits seem a lot to you?

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It's not enough to live on

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Yes. :erm:

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It can build up to that. Also that's an after tax and NI figure, so the equivalent salary is much higher.

Few other things in there to comment on.
Somebody expecting student loans(at age 38) to pay off her mortgage.
Somebody who seems to be receiving PIP at Enhanced Rate Daily Living and Standard rate Mobility is capable of working part-time as a cleaner.:confused:

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I am dreading tomorrow, I am pretty certain they will take us from behind with no KY whilst all the time telling us how good it will be for us. I just hope winter is not that bad this year so we don't all freeze to death waiting in the queue for the soup kitchens. :)

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Rest assured they don't give a damn if you do freeze to death they hate old folk

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The Islington elite don't care about us real people. Just so long as they get their freebies. All those who voted for "change" should realise that rest of us have been short changed.

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i suspect life expectantcy will go down under labour

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One of our friends was absolutely disgusted with Labour for suggesting they will abolish the Winter Fuel Allowance. She said she always puts that money away for her holiday.

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Benefit fraud :LOL:

https://www.report-benefit-fraud.service.gov.uk/details

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I always say that Labour will squeeze you till your pips squeak and then they will squeeze you some more. A mate of mine once said the motto of a Labour MP would be "what's yours is mine but what's mine is my own".

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I assume you joking as it clearly is enough to live on, my daughters would all love to be getting 33K a year.