Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Smart meters literally cannot get your personal data, nor store it or leak it. It's literally a box in your home to monitor your energy usage and report the usage to the energy suppliers. It's got no more information than a traditional 'dumb' meter.:rolleyes:

The motivation is to make life simpler. That's usually why new technology is invented.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Seems most of the time it's usually it's the opposite to that.

But saying that from what I've read so far, I would now change my vote from 'No' to 'Undecided' which is a step forward for me.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Err yes it does, it has the data broken down into 30min bins which encodes your daily habits. A traditional meter reading once a money cannot do that.

This is transmitted to the company and stored in a database which is next* to your home address.

*Not literally "next to" but clearly in the system.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

So someone hacks a major energy retailer and the best use of the data is to… burgle people?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

OMG next you will be telling us the world is flat and black is white.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The smart meter doesn't contain that dat. Just your usage. It's useless to anyone.

Your name and address are stored with your bank too. Are you concerned about them having that as well as what you spend?? :rolleyes:

Seriously!!

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You have a choice of how often it transmits information.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Our electricity one has never worked. The home display packed up within hours.
The main unit has A and B buttons and an LCD display. I can eventually find the "Imported KWH value" to send in as the remote reporting has never worked. (Signal reported as -127db) But it's strange: Every bit of kit I have you can find the documentation, circuits etc on the net but for this meter?

Not a trace, I can find the Chinese OEM outline data, the FCC certification, the CE certification but a description of the buttons and menus? Nothing!

Why is this such a secret? EDF should be advising the CIA/KGB etc on secrecy.

OVO want us to have a smart gas meter. Not a chance.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

:banghead:

Time to get yourself that tin foil hat, the nonsense you seem to be spouting is almost amusing to watch. :smokin:

Aside from the fact the data is for your house (not you) - what personal habits does it 'encode' ?
It has no knowledge of what you are doing, only the amount of electricity or gas you are using, your porn habbit is safe.

"Its stored in a database" ? Seriously ?
Clearly this comes as a shock, but traditional meter readings are stored in the same database. :dozey:
They also track useage, just over longer time intevals, thats kinda the whole purpose of meters.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

If you gave me the data I could easily make a list of addresses of people rich enough to own electric cars and who are out of the house between 9am and 5pm.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I could do that simply by watching them, far easier.

If I gave you all their bank details you could steal money from them.
If the sun were bigger we would all burn up, what exactly is your point ?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You can't watch millions of people at once to pick out the best ones :rolleyes:. But I'm not arguing any more, if you don't see the point now you won't.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

How can you detect electric cars, yes i have a EV but i also use a hell of a lot of electric including the following
1 x electric shower that draws 11Kw that's more than the 7 Kw my charger uses. An electric oven that at full usage with both ovens going draws 6.2 kw. 2 x high spec gaming pc and one of them draws 1 kw at full rate. 1 x washing machine 1 x dryer. To give you an idea of electric usage my electric bill can hit over £300 a month however most of that is not the EV as my average cost per day in electric from home to work and back is £2.80

Last thing i have friends with EV who would not say they are rich, there cars like mine are on lease via salary sacrifice.

Finally one of the reasons the Government are looking at road charging is because they admit they cannot work out a way to tax people for charging there car at home so maybe you could give them some advice ?

I am not rich by any measure, i just work hard for my money

Your phone spies on you, if you use windows or mac it spies on you ( that's why i use Linux), if you have a points card it spies on you. If you drive a car the anpr system spies on you. Your ISP knows a lot of what you do and when you do it, I could go on but i think you get the drift

Last point a training video for you is below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD7zTSaiigg

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Nor can you get the data from "millions of people at once". :dozey:
You are very wise to bow out now before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already are.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes you can, do you have any idea how data security works? if octopus energy has a data breach that is 7.7 million households.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

A much better idea than you apparently.

Aside from "if" yet again, it also [again] has nothing to do with actual smart meters.
Thats point has already been covered several times now, but still you cling to it. Cracking.
Please do keep going, your paranoia is really starting to show now, I cant wait for the next theory.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

If you want to be on a smart tariff it needs to be set at 30mins.

As usual Dude111 has come in and ruined a thread with his bollox, the guys got a screw loose.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

:LOL:

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

If my aunty had balls she’d be me uncle*




*may not be true these days, I can’t keep up, too old

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

How would you know they even have anything worth stealing?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Time to get back on topic, enough of this utter cobblers.

If you dont want one, great, your choice.
This is not the place for stupidity and nonsense, there are plenty of crackpot sites you can post that.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's never to make things simpler for the customer, if by happy coincidence life is made simpler they'll take it but the usual reason is to reduce the workforce and whilst this might not be the primary objective of smart meters no one is going to deny meter readers haven't lost their jobs because of them

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Poor Dude, he's just trying to warn us

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Sorry, no it does not at least if you are with EDF it offers a choice of how often it takes the reading . I just checked it :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Sometimes you have no choice. ;)
Octopus give you the "choice", but some tarrifs require you to set 30 minutes (agile for example). If you dont, you cant use that tarrif.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

If you want smart Tariffs Octopus needs it set to every 30mins, atleast for the Tracker and Agile and my Home Mini device gives me a readings instantaneously for the last 5mins which is great.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

So today was the day, meter (eventually) installed.

Not without its drama of course.
Meter 1 installed, turned fuse box back on .... nothing (except a puzzled electrician).
Some investigation later, they had told him the wrong type to install (E7), so it wouldnt power up [as he'd wired it] until midnight ...
So out with that one, in with Meter 2 (std) and we finally had power again.

Gas meter then changed without further issues.

IHD is now sitting on my desk (currently set to show "real time" usage).
Its only showing electricity readings atm. I'm told it will eventually display gas as well.

My house seems to run at about 490W in the day when no high power devices (kettle, shower, washer, cooker etc) are in use, thats dropped to around 420W now everyone has gone to bed (except me).

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I would signup for the Home Mini if you haven't already then ditch the IHD.

Checking my Home Mini app live(last 5mins) usage it's showing I'm using 49w, thats with everything off apart from fridge freezer and anything in standby.

Tracker Tariffs have been higher lately but still lower than SVT, tomorrows Electricity rate is nice though dropping from 19.75 to 13.58 in my area.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Interesting, I just looked that up.
Apparently it relies on you having the app.
Can you run both ? I couldnt see that answered anywhere.

I signed up for Tracker earlier, thats likely to take 2/3 weeks.

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Yeah, I have a lot of stuff running 24/7.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I got the octopus mini. The engineer didn't commit the final gas reading so I had to get octopus to follow up before the gas bills started coming. My electric bills are stuck in limbo however (despite the data flowing correctly) so I'm still trying to get them to fix that.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

"We must replace your electricity meter as it is over 15 years old. We will replace the gas meter at the same time".

Nope, especially with next door still having no connection either way on the mobile phone networks. Our meters are less than 4 metres from each other. One of the last techs could not get signals from between our homes, and that is where the meters are located.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You can run the IHD or Mini both together but you also don't need to plug in or use either as it's just a display of usage.

With the Mini data viewed via the Octopus app you get to select your Live Usage view for either the last 5mins or 30mins for Electricity but for Gas you can only see the Day usage, the Mini is far better in my opinion because you may get fed up of the IHD and you can literally walk around the house with your Mobile or Tablet and get an instant reading when switching something on which is useful.

Surprisingly when I signed up for the Tracker I must have got lucky as they switched me over in the time it took to fill out the form, that was after having my smart meters working for 7 days as it takes a while to see everything appears to be working on your account, eventually my old meters disappeared from the account and I could see daily reading on the app for usage so I risked the change.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I got an email today telling me I just need to accecpt the T&Cs for Tracker and I'll be switched.

I have accepted them. I also got invited to join Octopus Plus (Octoplus).

I have 5 meters on my account atm, my old Electric & Gas, my new Electric & Gas, and the extra electric they installed by mistake.

Atm, I can see the daily readings for the active electric meter, but no gas readings as yet.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I think it took a week or so for me to go from 4 to 2 meters on my account and the Gas is always the slowest to change and send it's readings.

Hopefully you won't have any signal issues like Taf neighbours do.
https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker
You can use this site which will let you see if your data is working once you put in the API.

Also your smart meters need to be set for 1/2hr readings for smart tariffs, this you can change yourself in your account settings somewhere.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

My account shows I have already been switched to Tracker for Electricity, but not Gas.
Maybe becasue I still have no actual Gas readings. in the meantime, I'm checking out that site.

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Interestingly, one of my 5 meters has now vanished, the old Gas meter.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

My meters vanished at different times, they say it can take days for all the changes needed to be working.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Downloaded my data from Octopus
They have data from my Gas, so not sure why its not showing up yet.
Octoprice seems to have some handy information.

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Edit: My gas switched while I was looking on Octoprice.
I'm now on Tracker for both, that seems pretty quick, less than a day after requesting.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You will likely get bills from your old meters up to the point you switched soon.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Question I need to transfer my dads EON to me, can they or if I eventually go to another supplier, make me use a smart meter.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

No, but they can refuse to take you on if you dont have one.

If it needs to be replaced, because its faulty, you'll get a smart meter.
Otherwise if your meter hasnt expired (reached EOL) then you can keep it.

If it's EOL they will tell you it needs to be replaced, and are unlikely to offer you anything other than a smart meter.
Of course, you can choose to ignore them (at least for now) but at some point in the future, they may force the issue.

Of course, what they are slowly doing is making SMART tariffs cheaper, so by hanging on, you pay more.
I held off for many years, but my E7 meter was 34 years old, so I decided it was finally time to move over.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I don't think they can make you have a smart meter when transferring from your Dad's account and you don't need to have a smart meter yet unless they start saying it's EOL.

This may help you for the transfer from Dad.

https://www.eonnext.com/help/bereave...your%20request.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

No, unless your meter is faulty or at the end of its life, or its a condition of the tariff you sign up to.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ut...a-smart-meter/

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I spent two years (12 month tariffs) with eon just ignoring their emails and hanging up the phone to them despite it being a condition of my offer.

They have tightened the wording though to “within 90 days” so maybe they are taking it more seriously. I’m currently on the variable tho, so no requirement.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

So I wondered why they processed my old gas, but not electric.
Turns out to be Fracking incompetance again. :rolleyes:
They have the two old readings the wrong way around AGAIN. :dozey:
I mean FFS, how hard is it to enter two readings, clearly labelled. :mad:

Another wait while they sort out another screw up. :sleep:
They still need to remove the SMART meter I dont have as well.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I dread to think how your bills are going to look.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Their system wont process them while they are wrong.
They magically fixed them last time when I pointed that out.
Its just annoying they cant get two readings correct, its not rocket science.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

5 days, 5 emails from Scottish Power. I MUST make a booking to change both the gas and electricity meters, as they are "probably inaccurate due to their age".

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Best thing i ever did was move to a smart meter and then to Octopus. I did read there are trials ongoing that use mesh receivers in lamp posts that can pick up the meters and forward that back to the central receiving stations. Seems to be going very well and has fixed most of the issues around meters not being picked up. There is a similar system being installed for Mobile phone networks in congested areas and city centres.

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Can you not just phone them and state you only want emails for your bills and nothing else. Or just manage your account online and block there emails.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Or what? Wait for a court order, otherwise ignore them. Tbf both my Gas supplier (EDF), and my electricity supplier (EON), have respected my wish not to contacted about smart meters. Giving them my phone no as 01234567890 might have helped ;)

They must have an email opt out. Use it, or just send the mails to junk.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

That's why I keep getting your phone calls. ;)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yeah they seem to be pushing smart meters again, were getting daily emails and text messages.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

They have smart meter targets to meet, and get fined if they dont.
It seems unfair TBH, they cant control peoples desire to have them, or otherwise.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Ovo want me to have a smart gas meter but the electricity one was as effective as a chocolate teapot. No signal and the IHD failed completely.

No thanks.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

AFAIK, smart gas meters just talk to the associated electric meter, they dont connect to the smart network directly.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

So another chocolate teapot. :rolleyes:

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Check if agile is any good for you.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I use that site all the time, you can also use the app Octopus Compare. Based on my current usage Tracker is better for me at £481 Vs £489.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes, I've been monitoring that since I moved, atm, it thinks I would be better off on agile.

Obviously between 4pm and 7pm, tracker is always better, but most of the rest of the day it indicates I'm generally better with agile.

I'm not going to move based on 5 days, but if this pattern continues, I may switch.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Free Electricity between 1pm and 2pm tomorrow for Smart Meter Octopus customers, if anyone wants to sign up.

https://octopus.typeform.com/to/xUHlI2xy#kid=A-2BB56385

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Did it as soon as I had the mail. Time to top up the charge on my car. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yeah .... "Free" with a catch. ;)

I signed up, but I'm not sure I'll benefit much as you have to use more than 'normal', thats the only bit thats free.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Well topping up to 100% on my car will take me over the norm :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

A week of full readings and the comparison sites and apps are all pretty clear.
Agile would be the cheaper choice for me, so I have taken the "plunge" and requested a switch.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Are you going to leave your Gas on the Tracker seeing you can't do that on Agile?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Gas stays on whatever it was, so yes, it will remain on Tracker.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes if you consistently use most of your electricity outside of 4pm to 7pm it will certainly be cheaper on agile. If you can coordinate your washing to the cheapest times you can save even more.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It looks like there will be plenty of green energy in the system tomorrow, so we're back on for another Free Electricity session.



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Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yeah, I noticed earlier its only 2.1p per kWh at that time anyway.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

We have had a smart meter 4 2 years without issue touch wood.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

For those on Octopus Agile you will be paid to use electricity between 10:35 and 15:23 tomorrow. Fill your boots :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Indeed, just noticed that on my app.
10:30 until 15:00 on my display, mostly at -0.42p a unit. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Same again tonight and tomorrow afternoon :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yep, even better rates, almost -2p a unit. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I just love windy weather :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

And people still say smart meters are bad..... The main problem is when they don't work because they can't transmit I guess, but when they work it's a no brainer if you get on a smart tariff.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Good old Ernesto ;)

My Gas stopped talking to me (and octopus) 5 days ago, then seemed to kick in again yesterday.
So I currently have a 4 day gap in my readings, which I assume are on the meter so will get grabbed at some point.

My decision to flip electric to Agile has certainly looked a good one so far. I was a little hesitant at first, but a week of data comparing Agile v Tracker was pretty clear, the switch took less than a day. Of course, time will tell over the long run, but the indications are it should work out ok, even over winter.

The IHD is proving to be a bit of a waste of time, it was solid for a week, but has been rebooting lots since then. The cost display on it is useless, it doesnt seem to understand agile at all. The "real-time" was useful, but not since it started rebooting - you have to manually put it back to that screen each time. I soon gave up that.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The IHD can't do smart tariffs I believe, you may as well just get those tariffs from their app as that has everything I think you need especially when you get a Home Mini installed.

According to Octoprice I have no data for a 1.5hr time in both June and July but it didn't affect my billing as I still have every day listed with different prices for the Tariff on the Tracker.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I ordered a Mini last week, but that seems to take time.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's random but probably atleast 5 weeks.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

They gave it a "nudge" today, and its now loaded the missing days.

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In the meantime ...

LOL. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Rinse, Repeat.
Same again tomorrow (well today now).
With odd exceptions its negative from 9.30am to 3.30pm.
[ And averaging about 2p overnight ]. :angel:

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Tomorrow looks rather good. From midnight all the way through to 4pm its almost all negative values.
There are about six x 30 minute spells where it climbs just above 0p (still < 2p). They'll be paying us to cook sunday dinner tomorrow. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

First thing she who must be obeyed said when i told her was " lets get all the curtains and bedding washed and dried". I just love Agile and Octopus energy.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Agile is still not worth it for me as I can't shift my usage, over the last month Agile is only £1.29 cheaper compared to my Tracker and the month before the Tracker was similarly cheaper.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Our house runs pretty much 24 x 7, we dont have quiet periods, so there isnt much to shift. Our usage is remarkably similar across the day. So overall, savings on the cheaper 1/2 hours slots are more than the extra paid between 4pm and 7pm. A good guide for us is the average Agile price, which is consistantly lower than Tracker, which in turn is lower than SVT (Standard Rate). Winter will be interesting of course, but atm, I have saved over £10 in 16 days. Bonus as well, Octopus have offered me a £100 goodwill payment due to all the issues I had.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's the same for our household, we have always been heavy user's of electricity and to quote Tesco "any little helps". This will be the first winter on Agile for but by my calculations we should still be well below the SVT.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Do you trust the installer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loyUVB7zKhw

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The guy who did ours had one of those plug-in [Tone/LED] testers.
It passed - having never seen one before I asked him to show me how it worked.

[The mistake of course is not limited to installing smart meters, it could equally happen replacing any meter, or distribution boards].

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Didnt take that long, got an email today to say its on its way. :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Takes nearly a week and delivered by Royal Mail.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Finally got through to someone who fixed the electric bills.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

FYI as I don't think it's in the instructions, when setting it up your mobile MUST be connected to your 2.4GHz network otherwise install will fail and also connected by Bluetooth, after setup you can revert to your 5Ghz and remove the Bluetooth permissions.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yeah, I'll use my tablet which spends most of its time on my 2.4 network.
I use it to add all new smart plugs etc (its bluetooth is permanantly on as well).

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Yeah, 5 days, its arriving tomorrow apparently.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You can still view the mini info in the regular app on your mobile if you wish after install when that's back on 5GHz.

The Mini won't fit through a standard letter box so hopefully someone will be home unless they can leave in a safe place via their app.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Arrived, now set-up and running. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Another thing you can do is 'Spin the Wheel' you get 2 spins for each fuel monthly when you have a Smart Meter so 4 in total. I won £1 the first time I used it right after joining Octopus.

If you have joined Octoplus you will always win atleast 8 points a spin, however I got 500 points for getting Smart Meters which has now built up to 660 which is worth 82 pence that could be added to my account.

You can access the wheel via the app from the Usage tab or from the main webpage.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yeah, I joined octoplus the day it appeared in my account.
The Mini has stopped talking to the meter atm, waiting to see if it reconnects.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It reconected while I was out for dinner.
I'd definite suggest this to anyone on Octopus.

Its far better than the IHD, which is now packed away in a draw.
It even displays the readings in your account (on the website) which I wasnt aware would happen.

On a different note: Agile not looking so great tomorrow, 40.7p in the peak period, highest I've seen so far.
Overall the average is about the same as SVT. Still better than tracker which is 23.3p tomorrow, worse than SVT.

Need more wind. :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Mines still just below SVT in my area but it is the highest I've ever seen, it's not something I'm concerned about unless it stays above for days or weeks on end, but in the history of Tracker this has never happened before......yet.

I set my monthly billing date to the 2nd of each month, I did this as the Gas data collection is always a day behind Electricity and I should find out my monthly averaged unit rate which is usually around 19ish for Electricity and 4ish for Gas so still a good saving.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Tomorrow April Tracker prices is now just over the SVT in my area. 23.25 and the SVT is 23.08, I'll have to use the compare app this week to see how Agile compares over the next week or so but I don't know how Agile looks in winter on previous years.

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Has MsNtl left the site they're often the first to chip in when prices are low?

Re: Smart Meters
 

More techs were in our street yesterday, trying to get signals in and out of smart meters. They looked very confused and frustrated.