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TheDaddy 08-03-2023 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147714)
Let's cut to the chase. Do you want undocumented migrants who have deliberately destroyed their ID documents, who might be Albanians who bring their crime with them, who might be ISIS/Alqaeda, etc?

However, I am in favour of a deal with France that stops the boats but enrols UK in a European wide asylum share programme. The problem with the programme will be the calculations of fair shares and what degree of say we have in rules formulation.

Finally, we have to be vigilant. 750 millions (or whatever) from Africa could be eyeing up Europe and the UK especially. What then?
I'm not in favour of any of that, we were promised that when we left the EU all this crap would stop, not get worse. So now there's three quarters of a billion Africans eyeing up the UK, 10 times the number of Turks that were already on their way here 7 years ago :rolleyes:

1andrew1 08-03-2023 21:27
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This sounds quite likely to me!
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Johansson’s comments will add to the perception that ministers expect the bill to be stalled by legal challenges, and may be a cynical attempt to provoke a row with Labour in the run-up to a general election. Braverman wrote on the front page of the bill that she was unable to say that the provisions were “compatible with the convention rights”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ernational-law

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 21:31
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36147715)
We help deal with the issues that are forcing them to migrate/claim asylum instead of being increasingly insular?
The main reason we have a decent overseas aid budget was for stability in other countries, which is in our interest. Climate change will also be a massive driver to immigration, but we don't really deal with that either. Always short termism, looking no further than the next election.
So, you've dodged my question.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36147718)
I'm not in favour of any of that, we were promised that when we left the EU all this crap would stop, not get worse. So now there's three quarters of a billion Africans eyeing up the UK, 10 times the number of Turks that were already on their way here 7 years ago :rolleyes:
You've answered my question.

Paul 08-03-2023 21:55
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36147711)
Is there a law that says they have to claim asylum in the country they're in
A law where ? How is that even relevant.
I doubt any country has such a law, why would they.

Asylum is however something all countries are obliged to provide under the Geneva Convention, and the EU (which all these people pass though on the way to the UK) even has its own "Common European Asylum System". So there is no reason for them to flee all the way to the UK, risking their lives (and the lives of others when their boats get into trouble).

ianch99 08-03-2023 22:05
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147700)
No its not, its some twitter post, that doesnt really say anything (other than attack some MP I've not heard of)
Then you did not watch the video, or did not understand what was said. She was giving evidence to, it seems, a Select committee. What the hell does it matter what platform is hosting the content?

The UK, as the 5/6th richest nation has an obligation to accept its fair chare of asylum claims. If an individual wishes to claim asylum in the UK, they have every *legal* right to do so.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147714)
Let's cut to the chase. Do you want undocumented migrants who have deliberately destroyed their ID documents, who might be Albanians who bring their crime with them, who might be ISIS/Alqaeda, etc?

However, I am in favour of a deal with France that stops the boats but enrols UK in a European wide asylum share programme. The problem with the programme will be the calculations of fair shares and what degree of say we have in rules formulation.

Finally, we have to be vigilant. 750 millions (or whatever) from Africa could be eyeing up Europe and the UK especially. What then?
You seem to overdoing the dog whistling tonight? Best check under the bed!

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36147725)
Then you did not watch the video, or did not understand what was said. She was giving evidence to, it seems, a Select committee. What the hell does it matter what platform is hosting the content?

The UK, as the 5/6th richest nation has an obligation to accept its fair chare of asylum claims. If an individual wishes to claim asylum in the UK, they have every *legal* right to do so.

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You seem to overdoing the dog whistling tonight? Best check under the bed!
Don't be silly. Open your eyes, please.

Paul 08-03-2023 22:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36147725)
Then you did not watch the video
You mean that black box at the bottom ? if thats a video, it doesnt load here.
(TBH, its a miracle that twitter even loads at all, it didnt used to).

Hugh 08-03-2023 22:14
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147714)
Let's cut to the chase. Do you want undocumented migrants who have deliberately destroyed their ID documents, who might be Albanians who bring their crime with them, who might be ISIS/Alqaeda, etc?

However, I am in favour of a deal with France that stops the boats but enrols UK in a European wide asylum share programme. The problem with the programme will be the calculations of fair shares and what degree of say we have in rules formulation.

Finally, we have to be vigilant. 750 millions (or whatever) from Africa could be eyeing up Europe and the UK especially. What then?
https://researchbriefings.files.parl...03/SN01403.pdf

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In 2021, there were around 9 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 14 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 16th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.
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In 2021, Germany received the largest number of asylum applicants among EU countries (190,500), followed by France (120,700), Spain (65,300), Italy (53,600) and Austria (39,900).
For comparison, the U.K. had 72,027 asylum applications in 2021

U.K. population 66,000,000 - 72,000 asylum applications - 1 application per 917 citizens
Germany population 84,000,000 - 190,000 applications - 1 application per 442 citizens
France population 68,000,000 - 120,000 applications - 1 application per 567 citizens
Spain population 47,000,000 - 65,000 applications - 1 application per 723 citizens
Italy population 59,000,000 - 53,000 applications - 1 application per 1113 citizens
Austria population 9,000,000 - 40,000 applications - 1 application per 225 citizens

Per capita, Germany had roughly twice as many asylum applications as the U.K., while Austria had over four times as many.

ianch99 08-03-2023 22:23
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147729)
You mean that black box at the bottom ? if thats a video, it doesnt load here.
(TBH, its a miracle that twitter even loads at all, it didnt used to).
I take the point about Twitter. Here's the same video on YouTube:



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147728)
Don't be silly. Open your eyes, please.
Don't worry, my eyes are very open. It's what I see that worries me .. and it is not Farage pointing at dinghies.

1andrew1 08-03-2023 22:43
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I know Hugh quoted some stats but I found this graph quite interesting.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1678315323

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...c=true#image=2

Sephiroth 09-03-2023 08:24
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It’s not about the stats. It’s about what’s actually going on. Before your very eyes, scores of economic migrants are arriving in the boats. Scores of likely criminals are arriving too. Of course many of them apply for asylum and there may well be genuine cases among them. But if they keep coming, with no means of removal, and we don’t know who they are, we are in dead trouble. Plus these opportunists will be living off us whilst culturally antithetic to thd British culture. It’ll destroy the UK as we know/knew it.

Ian in particular needs to wake up and address this.

Stats -Pah.


Hugh 09-03-2023 09:30
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Yeah, you don’t want let facts get in the way of your Great Replacement Theory…

Mr K 09-03-2023 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147740)

It’s not about the stats. It’s about what’s actually going on. Before your very eyes, scores of economic migrants are arriving in the boats. Scores of likely criminals are arriving too. Of course many of them apply for asylum and there may well be genuine cases among them. But if they keep coming, with no means of removal, and we don’t know who they are, we are in dead trouble. Plus these opportunists will be living off us whilst culturally antithetic to thd British culture. It’ll destroy the UK as we know/knew it.

Ian in particular needs to wake up and address this.

Stats -Pah.

Have you had some unwelcome neighbours move in ? I'd write to your MP about it if I were you They'll soon be cluttering up Waitrose too, having the cheek to claim they're not staff...

Most of the crime is distinctly home grown. Immigrants tend to work, that's why they're here. We desperate need them too given our ageing non working population, and us telling EU health workers that they aren't welcome. Still as along as we've got our country back, that's all that matters.

Sephiroth 09-03-2023 11:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147744)
Yeah, you don’t want let facts get in the way of your Great Replacement Theory…
Open your eyes too.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36147745)
Have you had some unwelcome neighbours move in ? I'd write to your MP about it if I were you They'll soon be cluttering up Waitrose too, having the cheek to claim they're not staff...

Most of the crime is distinctly home grown. Immigrants tend to work, that's why they're here. We desperate need them too given our ageing non working population, and us telling EU health workers that they aren't welcome. Still as along as we've got our country back, that's all that matters.
Of course they're welcome (as far as I'm concerned) - as long as they are not Albanian gang-masters, pimps, criminals nor Islamic extremists.

Pierre 09-03-2023 11:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147686)
Could that "whatever" be *gulp* a Rejoiner?

Are you sick enough of it yet to want to rejoin the EU so we can send them back to the EU country that they came from? Or is that a bridge - or tunnel - too far?
WE shouldn't have to rejoin the EU to send them back or stop them coming. If the government had any balls or was in the slightest way competent they could deal with.

Also there could be many arguments made in favour of rejoining the EU, this particular issue would be way down the list.

Maggy 10-03-2023 09:44
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147740)

It’s not about the stats. It’s about what’s actually going on. Before your very eyes, scores of economic migrants are arriving in the boats. Scores of likely criminals are arriving too. Of course many of them apply for asylum and there may well be genuine cases among them. But if they keep coming, with no means of removal, and we don’t know who they are, we are in dead trouble. Plus these opportunists will be living off us whilst culturally antithetic to thd British culture. It’ll destroy the UK as we know/knew it.

Ian in particular needs to wake up and address this.

Stats -Pah.

How many scores exactly?Why not be a bit more precise? Why should I have to check on your behalf?

Itshim 10-03-2023 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147760)
Open your eyes too.

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Of course they're welcome (as far as I'm concerned) - as long as they are not Albanian gang-masters, pimps, criminals nor Islamic extremists.
Your not going to win .:shocked: I totally agree by the way :D

Sephiroth 10-03-2023 14:00
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36147854)
How many scores exactly?Why not be a bit more precise? Why should I have to check on your behalf?
Is that the best you can do?

That’s why I say ‘open your eyes’. You know full well what’s going on.




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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36147875)
Your not going to win .:shocked: I totally agree by the way :D
I’ve won already when all they can ask for is proof on the word ‘scores’. Lefties will always be kefties on this sort of question.


Hugh 10-03-2023 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147884)
Is that the best you can do?

That’s why I say ‘open your eyes’. You know full well what’s going on.




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I’ve won already when all they can ask for is proof on the word ‘scores’. Lefties will always be kefties on this sort of question.

You're absolutely right - The Muslims Are Coming!

Maggy 10-03-2023 17:16
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147884)
Is that the best you can do?

That’s why I say ‘open your eyes’. You know full well what’s going on.




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I’ve won already when all they can ask for is proof on the word ‘scores’. Lefties will always be kefties on this sort of question.

What a complete cop out.You haven't actually got an answer.It's the old send me off on a wild goose chase to prove a nonsense.

Hugh 10-03-2023 17:31
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What’s a "keftie"?

denphone 10-03-2023 17:37
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Its funny how some posters resort to name calling when their arguments are weak.

Hugh 10-03-2023 18:54
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36147902)
Its funny how some posters resort to name calling when their arguments are weak.
Yes, it’s eye-opening, isn’t it? ;)

Sephiroth 10-03-2023 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147899)
What’s a "keftie"?
You'll do.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36147902)
Its funny how some posters resort to name calling when their arguments are weak.
Let's get this right.

My argument that all sorts of undocumented baddies and economic migrants are a threat to British culture if it goes on unabated is weak? Right?

And, by corollary, do want these people here?

GrimUpNorth 10-03-2023 20:17
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147910)
You'll do.

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Let's get this right.

My argument that all sorts of undocumented baddies and economic migrants are a threat to British culture if it goes on unabated is weak? Right?

And, by corollary, do want these people here?
I suppose if the government and/or right-wing press have brainwashed you into believing the boats are full of bad people then I can understand your view (I suppose someone has to believe the rhetoric). However, if as is probably the case, the bad people are a small minority isn't it over the top to make coming here pretty much impossible.

Mr K 10-03-2023 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147910)
You'll do.

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Let's get this right.

My argument that all sorts of undocumented baddies and economic migrants are a threat to British culture if it goes on unabated is weak? Right?

And, by corollary, do want these people here?
What's wrong with economic migrants? We have a shortage of workers in many areas. We're too busy getting old, posting divisive crap on forums and tweeting to work.
Who is going to pay the taxes for that state pension that is increasing by an absurd amount compared to wage rises ? Who is going to wipe your backside when you can't? Economic migrants if you're lucky. You'll have to put your xenophobia to one side one day.

Hugh 10-03-2023 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147910)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
What’s a "keftie"?
You'll do.[COLOR="Silver"]
Sounds like a Telegraph/CCHQ standard attack - make something up, then when questioned on it, just repeat it…

John Redwood is obviously rubbing off on you… :shocked:

Mr K 10-03-2023 22:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147920)
John Redwood is obviously rubbing off on you… :shocked:
Please Hugh, not even after the watershed. I won't sleep now.....

Sephiroth 10-03-2023 22:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36147913)
I suppose if the government and/or right-wing press have brainwashed you into believing the boats are full of bad people then I can understand your view (I suppose someone has to believe the rhetoric). However, if as is probably the case, the bad people are a small minority isn't it over the top to make coming here pretty much impossible.
What's wrong with them staying in France or the other safe countries through which they passed?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36147914)
What's wrong with economic migrants? We have a shortage of workers in many areas. We're too busy getting old, posting divisive crap on forums and tweeting to work.
Who is going to pay the taxes for that state pension that is increasing by an absurd amount compared to wage rises ? Who is going to wipe your backside when you can't? Economic migrants if you're lucky. You'll have to put your xenophobia to one side one day.
Economic migrants via a legal route is fine. People fleeing from oppression is fine. People who have deliberately thrown away their documents are a potential serious threat to the country. If you do't see that then you need to do some re-evaluation.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147920)
Sounds like a Telegraph/CCHQ standard attack - make something up, then when questioned on it, just repeat it…

John Redwood is obviously rubbing off on you… :shocked:
Nah - my eyes are open and I smell the coffee.

Hugh 11-03-2023 09:57
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If it’s CCHQ coffee, it’s probably Komi Luwak…

Sephiroth 11-03-2023 13:18
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Last time I was in CCHQ was 1987. Later that evening went to the Kundan with Ken Clarkv(Curry house with a division bell).

Hugh 11-03-2023 13:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147978)
Last time I was in CCHQ was 1987. Later that evening went to the Kundan with Ken Clarkv(Curry house with a division bell).
Last time I was there was the November 1990 Leadership challenge.

GrimUpNorth 11-03-2023 13:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147923)
Economic migrants via a legal route is fine. People fleeing from oppression is fine. People who have deliberately thrown away their documents are a potential serious threat to the country. If you do't see that then you need to do some re-evaluation.
You see the error in your assumption? No? Well let me try and explain. Being desperate to get somewhere that you know full well won't let you in because there're loads of hand wringers scared of your nationality, skin colour or religion etc means you're likely to do desperate things like throw away your documents but this in turn does not automatically mean you're in one of the groups the hand wringers seem so scared of, you're making me think about the episode of Young Sheldon where he's scared of catching the flu.

noel43 11-03-2023 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36147914)
What's wrong with economic migrants? We have a shortage of workers in many areas. We're too busy getting old, posting divisive crap on forums and tweeting to work.
Who is going to pay the taxes for that state pension that is increasing by an absurd amount compared to wage rises ? Who is going to wipe your backside when you can't? Economic migrants if you're lucky. You'll have to put your xenophobia to one side one day.
We don't have a shortage of workers, we have a shortage of people who will work.

Paul 11-03-2023 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36147981)
You see the error in your assumption?
Did you see the error in yours :angel:
As you quoted, he stated "People who have deliberately thrown away their documents are a potential serious threat to the country."
You're assuming he meant all of them, he didnt actually say that. ;)

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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 36147984)
We don't have a shortage of workers, we have a shortage of people who will work.
Judging by a couple of teenagers in our family, they seem to think that money will just roll in without them actually needing to do any work.

Sephiroth 11-03-2023 17:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36147981)
You see the error in your assumption? No? Well let me try and explain. Being desperate to get somewhere that you know full well won't let you in because there're loads of hand wringers scared of your nationality, skin colour or religion etc means you're likely to do desperate things like throw away your documents but this in turn does not automatically mean you're in one of the groups the hand wringers seem so scared of, you're making me think about the episode of Young Sheldon where he's scared of catching the flu.
The most utter rubbish so far in this thread. Throwing away your documents because the country doesn't want to let you in?

Nobody without documents, except in obvious cases, should be allowed into the UK, let alone the European countries who have shuffled them along to Calais.

I'll remind you of the problems:

1 Albanian gangsters and crooks.

2 Potential Islamic terrorists (there is a track record).

3 The trafficking - criminality.

If you can't see why we have to keep these illegal immigrants out, then you need your head examining.

GrimUpNorth 11-03-2023 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148008)
Did you see the error in yours :angel:
As you quoted, he stated "People who have deliberately thrown away their documents are a potential serious threat to the country."
You're assuming he meant all of them, he didnt actually say that. ;)

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Judging by a couple of teenagers in our family, they seem to think that money will just roll in without them actually needing to do any work.
Yet he's advocating refusing access to anyone without documents, potential threat or not. Though I notice in his reply to my post the start of a good old Tory directional swerve.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148014)
The most utter rubbish so far in this thread. Throwing away your documents because the country doesn't want to let you in?

Nobody without documents, except in obvious cases, should be allowed into the UK, let alone the European countries who have shuffled them along to Calais.

I'll remind you of the problems:

1 Albanian gangsters and crooks.

2 Potential Islamic terrorists (there is a track record).

3 The trafficking - criminality.

If you can't see why we have to keep these illegal immigrants out, then you need your head examining.
Think you missed number 4, genuine people. Or is that option hidden away by changing your statement to now include an exception for people without documents in obvious cases.

Care to share what those obvious cases are because to date you've not really made it obvious what your exceptions to the no documents no entry rule would be?

Sephiroth 11-03-2023 19:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148018)
Yet he's advocating refusing access to anyone without documents, potential threat or not. Though I notice in his reply to my post the start of a good old Tory directional swerve.



Think you missed number 4, genuine people. Or is that option hidden away by changing your statement to now include an exception for people without documents in obvious cases.

Care to share what those obvious cases are because to date you've not really made it obvious what your exceptions to the no documents no entry rule would be?
They'd be the 'obvious exceptions' that anyone would reasonably be able to identify - even you.

Maggy 12-03-2023 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147920)
Sounds like a Telegraph/CCHQ standard attack - make something up, then when questioned on it, just repeat it…

John Redwood is obviously rubbing off on you… :shocked:
:tu:

Itshim 12-03-2023 11:12
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:clap::clap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147923)
What's wrong with them staying in France or the other safe countries through which they passed?

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Economic migrants via a legal route is fine. People fleeing from oppression is fine. People who have deliberately thrown away their documents are a potential serious threat to the country. If you do't see that then you need to do some re-evaluation.

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Nah - my eyes are open and I smell the coffee.
Again you will never win . As long as they are not local to them people will say let them in:shocked:

Sephiroth 12-03-2023 11:23
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But it’s fun fighting them as they become increasingly ridiculous.

GrimUpNorth 12-03-2023 12:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148020)
They'd be the 'obvious exceptions' that anyone would reasonably be able to identify - even you.
So obvious you're not going to share. Don't ask me to justify your swerving comments, back them up with some information.

Sephiroth 12-03-2023 14:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148076)
So obvious you're not going to share. Don't ask me to justify your swerving comments, back them up with some information.
so obvious that it doesn’t need sharing any further. What’s not obvious about the Albanians who have no business smuggling themselves into there UK?

Hugh 12-03-2023 15:32
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But of course, under the proposed new laws, even the "obvious exceptions" won’t be allowed to apply for asylum if they enter the country by methods being made illegal, and they can’t apply for asylum if they aren’t in the country, and if they get deported because they came in in small boats (because they can’t apply from outside the country), they will be deported and banned from applying for asylum…

ianch99 12-03-2023 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148014)
The most utter rubbish so far in this thread. Throwing away your documents because the country doesn't want to let you in?

Nobody without documents, except in obvious cases, should be allowed into the UK, let alone the European countries who have shuffled them along to Calais.

I'll remind you of the problems:

1 Albanian gangsters and crooks.

2 Potential Islamic terrorists (there is a track record).

3 The trafficking - criminality.

If you can't see why we have to keep these illegal immigrants out, then you need your head examining.
All you seem to have is blue ink and rhetoric. You have no evidence to back up your views, just right wing tropes. What percentage of people claiming asylum are Albanian gangsters, ISIS agents and People Traffickers? Without evidence, you are just another Chicken Little.

Sephiroth 12-03-2023 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148102)
All you seem to have is blue ink and rhetoric. You have no evidence to back up your views, just right wing tropes. What percentage of people claiming asylum are Albanian gangsters, ISIS agents and People Traffickers? Without evidence, you are just another Chicken Little.
Open your eyes and smell the coffee.

Hugh 12-03-2023 17:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148102)
All you seem to have is blue ink and rhetoric. You have no evidence to back up your views, just right wing tropes. What percentage of people claiming asylum are Albanian gangsters, ISIS agents and People Traffickers? Without evidence, you are just another Chicken Little.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148105)
Open your eyes and smell the coffee.
That’s a resounding "No", then…

ianch99 12-03-2023 17:42
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148105)
Open your eyes and smell the coffee.
Is your keyboard stuck?

Paul 12-03-2023 17:56
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148102)
What percentage of people claiming asylum are Albanian gangsters, ISIS agents and People Traffickers? Without evidence, you are just another Chicken Little.
Does it need to be a high percentage ?
A single person can blow up a bus, stab multiple people in the middle of London, or even bomb an arena, as the past sadly tells us.

Sephiroth 12-03-2023 18:26
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148114)
Is your keyboard stuck?
Not at all. Your mind is stuck on ignoring what every one else can see. On TV, btw.

You might dislike the Tories; you do love the EU. But do you really want illegal migrants of the type I've described to come here from several safe countries on their route to Calais?

If so, you can't be sane. Sunak is following the right policy.

GrimUpNorth 12-03-2023 20:59
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148123)
Not at all. Your mind is stuck on ignoring what every one else can see. On TV, btw.

You might dislike the Tories; you do love the EU. But do you really want illegal migrants of the type I've described to come here from several safe countries on their route to Calais?

If so, you can't be sane. Sunak is following the right policy.
Just more hand wringing I'm afraid.

Mrs G has just said to me, if you were sending an ISIS trained terrorist to the UK would you risk putting them on a boat where they're likely to get caught or find a better way of getting them here or better still use someone home grown?

Sephiroth 12-03-2023 21:20
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148139)
Just more hand wringing I'm afraid.

Mrs G has just said to me, if you were sending an ISIS trained terrorist to the UK would you risk putting them on a boat where they're likely to get caught or find a better way of getting them here or better still use someone home grown?
They get a free ride to a 4 star hotel So please tell Mrs. G that they are potentially here. At a hotel near you.

Hugh 12-03-2023 22:10
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
You’ve been reading to many cheap thrillers.

Why take the risk of the asset drowning crossing the channel/security breach involved in getting the people smugglers involved, when they can just get a plane ticket and get here as tourists?

You’re letting fear overpower rationality…

Sephiroth 12-03-2023 22:24
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36148145)
You’ve been reading to many cheap thrillers.

Why take the risk of the asset drowning crossing the channel/security breach involved in getting the people smugglers involved, when they can just get a plane ticket and get here as tourists?

You’re letting fear overpower rationality…
I'd have thought it was rather obvious. Terrorists known to the security services would be arrested on arrival. No documents, they are just poor (fit young) refugees falling on the UK's generosity.

ianch99 12-03-2023 22:57
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148117)
Does it need to be a high percentage ?
A single person can blow up a bus, stab multiple people in the middle of London, or even bomb an arena, as the past sadly tells us.
That maybe although it is more likely they already live here. This is just click bait for the gullible. No evidence, just right wing tropes.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148123)
Not at all. Your mind is stuck on ignoring what every one else can see. On TV, btw.

You might dislike the Tories; you do love the EU. But do you really want illegal migrants of the type I've described to come here from several safe countries on their route to Calais?

If so, you can't be sane. Sunak is following the right policy.
I think I'm sane but you never can be certain :D As I mentioned, put up your evidence and this can become a rational discussion.

Hugh 13-03-2023 09:16
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148147)
I'd have thought it was rather obvious. Terrorists known to the security services would be arrested on arrival. No documents, they are just poor (fit young) refugees falling on the UK's generosity.
Only obvious if MI6/MI5 have a list of every ISIS/Daesh member, which is extremely unlikely - you’re trying to make the facts fit your scenario, rather than envisaging scenarios from known facts…

What’s your obsession with "fit young"? - terrorists, unfortunately, can be any age/sex/ethnicity/body shape… :(

Sephiroth 13-03-2023 17:50
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36148162)
Only obvious if MI6/MI5 have a list of every ISIS/Daesh member, which is extremely unlikely - you’re trying to make the facts fit your scenario, rather than envisaging scenarios from known facts…

What’s your obsession with "fit young"? - terrorists, unfortunately, can be any age/sex/ethnicity/body shape… :(
Open your eyes.

ianch99 13-03-2023 17:51
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148215)
Open your eyes.
... but don't look up :D

Hugh 13-03-2023 18:22
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148215)
Open your eyes.
You need to open the coffee and smell your eyes…

Sephiroth 13-03-2023 19:08
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36148219)
You need to open the coffee and smell your eyes…
At last - a worthy reply.

GrimUpNorth 13-03-2023 20:58
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148221)
At last - a worthy reply.
So if you're correct and all the young and fit crazies throwing their documents away mid channel are only coming here to destroy our way of life, why then bearing in mind how many have arrived haven't we suffered almost daily terrorist attacks?

Mr K 13-03-2023 21:04
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148230)
So if you're correct and all the young and fit crazies throwing their documents away mid channel are only coming here to destroy our way of life, why then bearing in mind how many have arrived haven't we suffered almost daily terrorist attacks?
They've probably been busy delivering his Daily Torygraph, or doing his online shopping. The jobs no one else can be arsed to do.

Sephiroth 13-03-2023 21:39
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148230)
So if you're correct and all the young and fit crazies throwing their documents away mid channel are only coming here to destroy our way of life, why then bearing in mind how many have arrived haven't we suffered almost daily terrorist attacks?
How would I know. But you do know who has committed the terrorist attacks of recent years? And they were the documented ones.

The point is, we should not be admitting people who throw away their documents because we don't know who they are.

Hugh 13-03-2023 21:51
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148234)
How would I know. But you do know who has committed the terrorist attacks of recent years? And they were the documented ones.

The point is, we should not be admitting people who throw away their documents because we don't know who they are.
Are you saying that the terror attacks of recent years have been carried out by documented refugees/asylum seekers?

(And by recent, do you mean 5, 10, or 20 years?).

Sephiroth 13-03-2023 22:41
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36148235)
Are you saying that the terror attacks of recent years have been carried out by documented refugees/asylum seekers?

(And by recent, do you mean 5, 10, or 20 years?).
You know exactly what I'm saying and I need not be any more specific. Who do you think has carried out those atrocities?

spiderplant 13-03-2023 22:49
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148234)
But you do know who has committed the terrorist attacks of recent years?
Mostly people who already lived here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148234)

The point is, we should not be admitting people who throw away their documents because we don't know who they are.
But not needing identification documents is one of the Great British freedoms

1andrew1 14-03-2023 10:28
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Boy done well with the NI deal but had to laugh at how much he must be wishing Biden hadn't mentioned his Californian house. :D
Quote:
"First of all, I want to welcome you back to California. He's a Stanford man, and he still has a home here in California," said Biden to Sunak - who had been polishing on his diplomatic fixed grin to evident effect. Biden kept going: "That's why I'm being very nice to you, maybe you can invite me to your home in California."

The prime minister's aides had been very firm that there would be no visit to the Santa Monica Sunak residence, around 115 miles away.

Biden continued: "But all kidding aside, I think it's an historic day for our countries."
https://news.sky.com/story/sunaks-pe...steer-12833322

Ms NTL 14-03-2023 10:33
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Hunt's budget tomorrow.

Fingers crossed: the Life time allowance for pensions will go up to 1.8 million! from 1.03 million.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64949083

ianch99 14-03-2023 10:40
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36148250)
Hunt's budget tomorrow.

Fingers crossed: the Life time allowance for pensions will go up to 1.8 million! from 1.03 million.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64949083
I wonder what % of the population are likely to exceed a pension pot of 1 million? Not that many I am guessing so a bit corner case for most people.

1andrew1 14-03-2023 10:46
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148251)
I wonder what % of the population are likely to exceed a pension pot of 1 million? Not that many I am guessing so a bit corner case for most people.
Is this aimed at discouraging GPs from retiring early?

Ms NTL 14-03-2023 11:24
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Surgeons are all going/gone. Playing golf .... Getting jobs abroad...

People that started working on their 20's, specializing on say, organ transplants, there is no reason to stay at work and get penalized with taxes. People with 130K salaries in London, ain't rich people. Even Corbyn's house is 1 million.

ianch99 14-03-2023 11:58
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148252)
Is this aimed at discouraging GPs from retiring early?
Yes, I think you're right on this. About time ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36148253)
Surgeons are all going/gone. Playing golf .... Getting jobs abroad...

People that started working on their 20's, specializing on say, organ transplants, there is no reason to stay at work and get penalized with taxes. People with 130K salaries in London, ain't rich people. Even Corbyn's house is 1 million.
Not sure I know many people who "started working on their 20's, specializing on say, organ transplants" :D I would agree with exceptional cases to address NHS staffing issues but not a universal uplift for who are, let's face it, very comfortably off. The money lost is better redirected to other more compelling areas.

Chris 14-03-2023 12:00
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Thread title updated, seeing as it’s no longer just about him being the PM. :angel:

1andrew1 14-03-2023 12:08
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148256)
Yes, I think you're right on this. About time ...
I think the "about time" refers to preventing GPs leaving as oppose to my being right. :D

ianch99 14-03-2023 18:30
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148258)
I think the "about time" refers to preventing GPs leaving as oppose to my being right. :D
Maybe, maybe not ;)

Paul 15-03-2023 13:51
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36148250)
Fingers crossed: the Life time allowance for pensions will go up to 1.8 million! from 1.03 million.
It got removed completely.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148252)
Is this aimed at discouraging GPs from retiring early?
Apparantley thats one reason.

joglynne 15-03-2023 14:16
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Budget 2023: Key points at-a-glance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64789405

Jaymoss 15-03-2023 17:01
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36148298)
Budget 2023: Key points at-a-glance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64789405
It has made me anxious. Not so much the dropping of the Assessments but the Bots issuing sanctions that has me worried

TBH I find it strange that in announced in the budget anyway as that is the purview of a different department.

Mr K 15-03-2023 19:14
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Basically nobody is allowed to retire or claim benefits. They want us all working on low wages forever to fund current pensioners/Tory voters.

Sephiroth 15-03-2023 19:51
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
The budget is shit. Putting up corporation tax will put prices up = inflation. That's because companies will want to offset the additional profit tax via increased prices so that their net after tax is at least the same. The average punter is the loser, again.

John Redwood is absolutely right: reduce Corporation Tax to 15% (matching Ireland) and then see where the investment goes.

Paul 15-03-2023 20:04
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36148316)
Basically nobody is allowed to retire or claim benefits.
Do enlighten us, how do you figure that from the main points ?

peanut 16-03-2023 07:13
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36148307)
It has made me anxious. Not so much the dropping of the Assessments but the Bots issuing sanctions that has me worried

TBH I find it strange that in announced in the budget anyway as that is the purview of a different department.
From what I've read from this budget (not a lot), it would benefit you a great deal if you do qualify for PIP as this would help you as it goes towards UC's new LCWRA changes. PIP will now be the main factor for certain disability benefits and allowances.

From the BBC... ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64967329 )

'A new Universal Credit "health element" will be awarded to claimants of PIP, "ensuring there is a safety net in place for the most vulnerable", the white paper says.' & 'When the changes come in, new claimants who do not qualify for PIP would not get any additional benefit top-up and would be expected to look for work'. - But a key point is 'new claimants'.

I can't see any information for those on the legacy benefits. Though I know there will be a change over at some point but this keeps getting pushed back.

I do agree that the 'automated' sanctions is harsh and will be a massive worry for a lot of people, hence PIP is now key. My worry is now they will move the goal posts even further to make it even harder to claim PIP.

One of the main safety nets for PIP (and Attendance Allowance for the elderly), is that if you have a partner who for any reason is not working, can claim carers allowance. This will automatically excuse them from looking for work and will not be subject to these sanctions.

denphone 16-03-2023 11:16
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148321)
The budget is shit. Putting up corporation tax will put prices up = inflation. That's because companies will want to offset the additional profit tax via increased prices so that their net after tax is at least the same. The average punter is the loser, again.

John Redwood is absolutely right: reduce Corporation Tax to 15% (matching Ireland) and then see where the investment goes.
Its the last budget before the general election you want to watch as no doubt they will announce tax cuts to try to bribe the electorate.

1andrew1 16-03-2023 11:53
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148321)
The budget is shit. Putting up corporation tax will put prices up = inflation. That's because companies will want to offset the additional profit tax via increased prices so that their net after tax is at least the same. The average punter is the loser, again.

John Redwood is absolutely right: reduce Corporation Tax to 15% (matching Ireland) and then see where the investment goes.
There's so many allowances that our rate is actually quite competitive. The devil's in the detail not the headline figure.

Our public services especially health, education and defence are underfunded so I don't see tax cuts coming any day soon.

The days of fantasy economics ended with the last PM. The best hope for the Conservatives are sound economics from Sunak and Hunt but the likelihood is that they will only be able to reduce not reverse, Labour's poll lead.

Ms NTL 18-03-2023 22:14
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148295)
It got removed completely.

Happy. Happy. Happy!

(Just back from France)

ianch99 18-03-2023 22:53
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36148458)
Happy. Happy. Happy!

(Just back from France)
I'm not happy. The 1%, as usual, getting a bung from the Tories at the expense of the rest of the population. Don't forget the stealth tax not announced in the Budget where the tax thresholds are frozen so we pay more tax :mad:

Sephiroth 18-03-2023 23:01
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148459)
I'm not happy. The 1%, as usual, getting a bung from the Tories at the expense of the rest of the population. Don't forget the stealth tax not announced in the Budget where the tax thresholds are frozen so we pay more tax :mad:
Like I said, a shit budget. Totally dishonest presentation.

ianch99 19-03-2023 00:23
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148462)
Like I said, a shit budget. Totally dishonest presentation.
Well said

GrimUpNorth 19-03-2023 09:50
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148462)
Like I said, a shit budget. Totally dishonest presentation.
But will you still vote for them? If they win the next election nothing will change, with us getting more of the same.

I know this isn't a Labour thread but let me balance my question by saying if there was an election today I'd struggle to vote Labour and could well abstain which is a shame and a total waste of my vote. A sad day.

Ms NTL 19-03-2023 09:50
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148462)
Like I said, a shit budget. Totally dishonest presentation.
What you said. It is completely disgusting and unethical

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...le-for-wealthy

It's the mother of all bungs.

And at BMA they want know whether the 2004 Financial Act offers "protection" to the "unlimited" bung.....

Sephiroth 19-03-2023 10:06
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148477)
But will you still vote for them? If they win the next election nothing will change, with us getting more of the same.

I know this isn't a Labour thread but let me balance my question by saying if there was an election today I'd struggle to vote Labour and could well abstain which is a shame and a total waste of my vote. A sad day.
I will vote for JR. Also, for balance, I could never vote Labour nor Lib Dem. I'm devastated as to the state of my party.

GrimUpNorth 19-03-2023 12:03
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148481)
I will vote for JR. Also, for balance, I could never vote Labour nor Lib Dem. I'm devastated as to the state of my party.
How devastated do you need to be to stop supporting them? Has JR voted with or against the policies you don't like?

I've emailed my local MP and the leader to tell them why they won't get my vote unless things change. Every week I'm feeling more and more politically isolated.

Sephiroth 19-03-2023 12:38
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36148487)
How devastated do you need to be to stop supporting them? Has JR voted with or against the policies you don't like?

I've emailed my local MP and the leader to tell them why they won't get my vote unless things change. Every week I'm feeling more and more politically isolated.
JR and I see eye to eye on all policy issues. He and his group of like-minded MPs are also sort of isolated.

Paul 19-03-2023 15:41
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148459)
Don't forget the stealth tax not announced in the Budget where the tax thresholds are frozen so we pay more tax :mad:
Why would they announce it again ? It was in a previous budget.

TheDaddy 19-03-2023 19:55
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148502)
Why would they announce it again ? It was in a previous budget.
Yeah why would they remind everyone that they're screwing them up until 2028

Mr K 19-03-2023 20:06
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148513)
Yeah why would they remind everyone that they're screwing them up until 2028
Got to pay for the richest 1%'s latest giveaway somehow. Fill your boots time for the Tories as their days are numbered.

Paul 19-03-2023 20:31
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148513)
Yeah why would they remind everyone that they're screwing them up until 2028
Yes, just like they announce every other budget decision twice. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 20:31 ---------- Previous post was at 20:27 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36148515)
Got to pay for the richest 1%'s latest giveaway somehow. Fill your boots time for the Tories as their days are numbered.
Well since you're so confident Labour will win, why do you care ?

They can just change it in their first budget, unless of course they dont .. which I'm sure you'll think is ok, because they are not Tory ..

TheDaddy 20-03-2023 04:11
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148517)
Yes, just like they announce every other budget decision twice. :rolleyes:
Pretty sure I said they wouldn't want to remind people of their decision, just shame there aren't more people out there reminding the electorate of their decision though imo

denphone 04-04-2023 11:20
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36148515)
Got to pay for the richest 1%'s latest giveaway somehow. Fill your boots time for the Tories as their days are numbered.
Amazing how many Conservative MPs now on their social media bios and on council election leaflets going out are trying to hide their Conservative brand.

1andrew1 04-04-2023 12:44
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Sunak is polling better than his party.
Quote:
Rishi Sunak’s recent run of political success looks set to collide with electoral reality next month, when the Conservatives face a possible battering in local elections across England.

The UK prime minister has tried not to draw attention to the May 4 contests, which will take place in 8,000 seats across 230 council areas, in one of the biggest tests of public opinion ahead of the general election.

The national media was not invited to the party’s campaign launch in Wolverhampton on March 24 — few noticed it had even happened — while the Tory spring forum, normally a big event, was held behind closed doors.

With election experts claiming the party could lose perhaps 1,000 seats, the town hall contests look set to be a jarring note in the Tory narrative of political recovery under Sunak’s leadership.

“The prime minister is doing well, but we need a lot more time to win the public back after last year’s disasters,” admitted one Sunak ally, referring to the doomed premierships of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss.

The Conservatives face a fight on two fronts, with Labour looking to reclaim the “red wall” of the North and Midlands, and the Liberal Democrats looking to make gains in the southern Tory “blue wall”.

Sunak has closed to just four points the gap on Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer in “who would make the best prime minister” polling, according to YouGov, but his party still typically trails Labour by 15-20 points.
https://www.ft.com/content/317d9cd3-...9-29026193f7e1


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