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jfman

12-01-2022 21:06

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109145)

Now, now, Don’t be like that.

Indeed, joined by …Fun, happiness, inconsequence, brevity.

We had a great discussion, and got pissed. Everybody had a great time.

Were you inside your bedsit, drinking a tennents super, in your underpants on your tablet? You should’ve given me a shout, you could have come round.

If your imaginary friends won’t even spend time with you I dread to think about the real ones.

mrmistoffelees

12-01-2022 21:17

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109143)

Duh…. Of course it is…..it’s called an opinion. Do you have one?

Sssh dear, you’ll only embarrass yourself further.

Pierre

12-01-2022 21:31

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109146)

If your imaginary friends won’t even spend time with you I dread to think about the real ones.

I don’t know how you mingle with friends? We don’t talk shit to each other and are straight up with each other. Which as you know, is what brevity means.

But if you like the company of bullshitters, that’s your prerogative and no surprise.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36109147)

Sssh dear, you’ll only embarrass yourself further.

Please do get in touch when you have something useful to say. Shall we say next Thursday?

Hugh	12-01-2022 21:36

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Back on topic, please, and less of the personal attacks.

jfman

12-01-2022 23:12

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Everyone loves a poll. I bet even Steve Baker and he hates everything.

YouGov (in the Times)

Quote:

GE

Lab 38 (+1)
Con 28 (-5)
LDem 13 (+3)
Green 7 (+1)
RefUK 4 (-1)

Best PM

Starmer 35 (+2)
Johnson 23 (-5)

1andrew1

13-01-2022 00:20

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109168)

Everyone loves a poll. I bet even Steve Baker and he hates everything.

YouGov (in the Times)

Would be interesting to know the time of the polling (ie had everyone seen Johnson's 'apology' at the time of polling?) and how far back the lost poll was that this is compared to.

I suspect the Conservative vote will decline further in the coming days, as people read of ministers' support for Johnson.

Damien

13-01-2022 07:03

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

The poll was conducted yesterday morning apparently so missed his apology/admittance.

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 07:42

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36109119)

Polls, polls, and more polls, we'll see what happens when the election comes up.;)

Let them have their moment, Max. It won't last long.

jfman

13-01-2022 08:22

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109182)

Let them have their moment, Max. It won't last long.

:D

It’ll last as long as it takes to find someone else to take the wheel of the sinking ship I suppose.

Maggy

13-01-2022 08:39

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Is there no one in this government who really can’t think about how they are truly accountable to the electorate without being shamed into it? Although it’s hard to see any real heartfelt shame being expressed by anyone.

Halcyon

13-01-2022 08:56

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

I see very many similarities with our PM here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpNTi-9oRQ

Damien

13-01-2022 09:08

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Don't worry, some civil servants will be fired for not informing ol' Boris this wasn't a work event.

Mr K	13-01-2022 09:19

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Apparently Boris has discovered a covid case in his extended/many families. So he has to hide for a week....

GrimUpNorth

13-01-2022 09:21

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Should it be here or the Coronavirus thread??

Jonathan Van-Tam has left his role https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59979504

jfman

13-01-2022 09:25

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36109189)

Should it be here or the Coronavirus thread??

Jonathan Van-Tam has left his role https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59979504

Depends if you believe in a global pandemic the University of Nottingham really needed him or not :D

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36109188)

Apparently Boris has discovered a covid case in his extended/many families. So he has to hide for a week....

Can’t he daily test as an essential worker? It’s not very “living with the virus” if we can all just take a week off because someone we know has snotters. Triple vaxxed, had it before, etc.

GrimUpNorth

13-01-2022 09:28

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36109188)

Apparently Boris has discovered a covid case in his extended/many families. So he has to hide for a week....

So he does understand the rules and knows how to follow them.

tweetiepooh

13-01-2022 09:37

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

I wonder if all those calling for heads to roll would be willing to be subject to investigation and prosecution for past events in quite the same way. "You have been found guilty of an event with 7 people attending when the limit was 6 on the evening of 21 May 2020, £200 fine."

If the event was illegal then prosecute accordingly, if not then so what? Foolish, insensitive all possible but investigate, deal and move on.

spiderplant

13-01-2022 10:06

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109190)

Can’t he daily test as an essential worker?

No, that only applies to essential workers.

heero_yuy

13-01-2022 10:17

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1andrew1

13-01-2022 10:28

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36109194)

False equivalence. Having Aunt Maud and Uncle Bill over for a cheeky prosecco in the garden was not comparable. And even Johnson is not daft enough to patronise the British public with such an excuse.

Why so? Because your average member of the public does not set the rules, nor do they stand up in Parliament and advise the House that they condemned parties that took place at their house and then subsequently admit to being at one.

The issues here are rule-breaking, honesty and poor decision-making. Not features you want from someone in the highest position of authority.

The only moving-on will be done by Johnson. Either this summer when the 1922 Committee gets enough votes to run a leadership challenge, or in 2024's general election.

heero_yuy

13-01-2022 10:36

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109201)

Why so? Because your average member of the public does not set the rules, nor do they stand up in Parliament and advise the House that they condemned parties that took place at their house and then subsequently admit to being at one.

The issues here are rule-breaking, honesty and poor decision-making. Not features you want from someone in the highest position of authority.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1642070090

Rules are only for proles, remember.

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jfman

13-01-2022 10:45

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109201)

The numbers are almost certainly there, it’s just when the nudge goes in from the runners and riders to make a move. Knee deep in the current wave of Covid, energy bills, inflation. It’s a rocky start for anyone, and leaving the bumbling fool in place for a few weeks or months might actually be a prudent move to allow the next PM to draw a line under all of it with BoJo.

Pierre

13-01-2022 10:57

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109201)

All true, but there is also a whole shovel full of hypocrisy around. Certainly I don't know how Beth Rigby has the front to be reporting on it.

1andrew1

13-01-2022 12:16

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109206)

Agreed.

Outside the BoJo supporters who are outwardly at least in denial, and the Scottish Conservatives who were patronised by Rees-Mogg and want Johnson to go now, a summer leadership contest seems to be the consensus.

BenMcr

13-01-2022 12:24

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36109194)

Priti Patel used to be quite keen on investigating and prosecuting lockdown breaches, but suddenly isn't - wonder what's different?

https://www.indy100.com/politics/pri...olice-b1992164

1andrew1

13-01-2022 12:31

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109209)

All true, but there is also a whole shovel full of hypocrisy around. Certainly I don't know how Beth Rigby has the front to be reporting on it.

Not sure what Rigby did but she's not the Prime Minister.

In terms of hypocrisy, didn't Johnson call out Rita Orr for holding a party for 30 people? And Patel said she would happily grass her neighbours up if they broke the rules?

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36109215)

Priti Patel used to be quite keen on investigating and prosecuting lockdown breaches, but suddenly isn't - wonder what's different?

https://www.indy100.com/politics/pri...olice-b1992164

Did she not also advocate stripping dual national convicted criminals of their British nationality? ;)

Julian

13-01-2022 13:32

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109216)

Not sure what Rigby did but she's not the Prime Minister.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not a great decision for a journalist!

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Sky News presenter Kay Burley and three colleagues have been taken off air while an investigation into breaches of Covid guidelines is carried out.

Political editor Beth Rigby, north of England correspondent Inzamam Rashid and presenter Sam Washington are also off air while the inquiry takes place.

BBC media editor Amol Rajan said Burley's job is hanging in the balance.

It follows her admission that she "broke the rules" while celebrating her 60th birthday at the weekend.

The journalist said she could "only apologise" for her "error of judgment".

Amol Rajan said she was one of a party of 10 people at the Century Club, a private members' club on London's Shaftesbury Avenue. Her group took up two tables, with six people on one and four on the other.

Burley then went onto Folie restaurant, where she used the toilet, before moving on to a private residence where individuals from at least three households mixed, Rajan said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55245914

LINK ;)

1andrew1

13-01-2022 13:41

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36109224)

LINK ;)

Thanks for the reminder. ;)

Sephiroth

13-01-2022 13:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109216)

Beth Rigby was suspended from her job for 3 months because she broke the rules too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...suspended.html

Pierre

13-01-2022 13:59

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36109229)

Beth Rigby was suspended from her job for 3 months because she broke the rules too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...suspended.html

"Suspended" is pushing it. She was taken off air while it blew over. No doubt on full pay.

Sephiroth

13-01-2022 14:01

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109231)

"Suspended" is pushing it. She was taken off air while it blew over. No doubt on full pay.

But bardzo hypocrite nevertheless. In the press conferences, she is so righteous; I really dislike her. She doesn't have the Kuenssberg knack.

Hugh	13-01-2022 14:06

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36109229)

Beth Rigby was suspended from her job for 3 months because she broke the rules too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...suspended.html

Perhaps, since they were all colleagues, she implicitly believed it was a work meeting?

Pierre

13-01-2022 15:39

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109234)

Perhaps, since they were all colleagues, she implicitly believed it was a work meeting?

Fair enough, she didn't lose her job over it though.

GrimUpNorth

13-01-2022 15:44

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109246)

Fair enough, she didn't lose her job over it though.

They should have made changing her lipstick a condition of her return.

Hugh	13-01-2022 15:45

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109246)

Fair enough, she didn't lose her job over it though.

Fair enough, but she didn’t write the laws that were broken…

papa smurf

13-01-2022 15:48

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109249)

Fair enough, but she didn’t write the laws that were broken…

when was a team meeting in a workplace illegal?

1andrew1

13-01-2022 15:57

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109249)

Fair enough, but she didn’t write the laws that were broken…

Nor did she mislead Parliament.

Sephiroth

13-01-2022 16:09

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109249)

Fair enough, but she didn’t write the laws that were broken…

... but she still broke them

1andrew1

13-01-2022 16:13

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36109254)

... but she still broke them

I don't think it's hard to appreciate that it's a far lesser offence that she's committed, albeit a selfish and daft offence.

Sephiroth

13-01-2022 16:32

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109257)

I don't think it's hard to appreciate that it's a far lesser offence that she's committed, albeit a selfish and daft offence.

I know what you mean - but she's a vicious, unpleasant, inquisitor who strikes me as trying to emulate the neckless hunchback - who's far better at it.

1andrew1

13-01-2022 17:21

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This one is doing the rounds at the moment. :D
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1642094447

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 17:49

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36109250)

when was a team meeting in a workplace illegal?

They don’t want to know, papa. The Boris haters are so intoxicated and blinded by the scent of blood, all reason is out of the window.

All we are asking is that we wait to pass judgement until the inquiry results are published within the next few days.

Hugh	13-01-2022 17:52

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36109250)

when was a team meeting in a workplace illegal?

When it involved socialising, as stated on the email invite…

I’ve been in many team meetings in over 40 years of work, and in not one was the boss’s wife wandering about with a drink in her hand.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109270)

Still a bit muffled…

I think we will be told that it wasn’t a party, it was a work meeting, and he only realised this after walking around, with his wife, for 25 minutes, talking to members of staff, and didn’t see the tables with wine, gin, and food on them.

If you think he has done something wrong, he is sorry that you have that mistaken impression, and hopes this will all be cleared up when the person who works for the person who works for him provides the whitewash, sorry, full and frank report, which he doesn’t have to do anything about, as the final decision whether to accept the report’s findings is up to him (if he’d done something wrong, which he hasn’t).

Hope this clears things up…

Sephiroth

13-01-2022 17:58

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109270)

In the interview round yesterday, all the Tories interviewed, yes ALL, referred to "Sue Gray". It was such a trained patter that we, at home, predicted the exact moment when "Sue Gray" would be uttered.

"Dame Sue Gray" soon? Countess of Westminster?

heero_yuy

13-01-2022 18:00

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36109277)

"Dame Sue Gray" soon? Countess of Westminster?

Her reward for exonerating Boris. :rolleyes:

papa smurf

13-01-2022 18:28

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Boris to avoid police investigation into Downing Street parties as Met 'rely' on inquiry

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...ternal-inquiry

jfman

13-01-2022 18:48

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Dame Dick knows how to earn her crust.

papa smurf

13-01-2022 18:53

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109296)

Dame Dick knows how to earn her crust.

serious crime squad is out chasing motorists;)

jfman

13-01-2022 18:55

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36109297)

serious crime squad is out chasing motorists;)

After doughnut patrol, of course.

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 18:59

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109272)

You’ve been in the wrong job, Hugh. Even working in local government, we had some afternoon meetings with alcohol. One of them was in a pub garden. We found it loosened people up, and some useful ideas came out of it that resolved a few problems that had been bedevilling us for some time.

You haven’t lived!

jfman

13-01-2022 19:02

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109300)

Things have moved on from the 1980s, OB.

papa smurf

13-01-2022 19:05

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109300)

Do they invite the unimportant underlings to meetings.
we had plenty of team meetings in various pubs,it's all about team building .....

Mick	13-01-2022 19:12

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

I have to say, Chinese spies in Parliament and a Duke losing his HRH status. Boris has no need to swing around a dead cat.

papa smurf

13-01-2022 19:13

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36109306)

I have to say, Chinese spies in Parliament and a Duke losing his HRH status. Boris has no need to swing around a dead cat.

yes it's been an interesting week for big stories.

1andrew1

13-01-2022 19:24

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Ouch!

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Scottish Tories set to deliver unprecedented snub to Johnson by not inviting him to spring conference

The civil war between the Scottish Tories and Downing Street has deepened after it emerged that Boris Johnson will not be invited to address this spring’s Scottish Conservative conference – an unprecedented snub for a UK leader of the party.

Several Tory sources have told the columnist and Reform Scotland thinktank director Chris Deerin it would be “inconceivable” for Johnson to speak at the event, due to be held in March, assuming he is still the UK party leader then.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08212f71955a61

Hugh	13-01-2022 19:46

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109300)

One small difference between the 80s/90s and May 2020 - in the 80s/90s it wasn’t against the law to do those things then…

But you knew that.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36109303)

Do they invite the unimportant underlings to meetings.
we had plenty of team meetings in various pubs,it's all about team building .....

I wonder why the May 20th "team meeting" didn’t take place in a pub, then?

papa smurf

13-01-2022 19:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109319)

why would it?

1andrew1

13-01-2022 20:05

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Ported from the Epstein thread.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109304)

The inquiry should give us the facts about what actually happened. All we have so far is allegations.

Similarly, the real facts should come out in court with Prince Andrew’s case.

Or maybe we should just abolish inquiries and courts and just listen to you guys making your ill-informed pronouncements from the comfort of your armchairs.

We have more than allegations, we have actual evidence:
- The email invitation
- Johnson's admission he attended.

You could probably argue that we have witnesses as well.

jfman

13-01-2022 20:13

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You could probably argue that we have witnesses as well.

Speculation, brevity, conjecture…

Damien

13-01-2022 20:25

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36109306)

I have to say, Chinese spies in Parliament and a Duke losing his HRH status. Boris has no need to swing around a dead cat.

Probably gutted it didn't happen two days ago. :shocked:

Chris

13-01-2022 20:30

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36109306)

I have to say, Chinese spies in Parliament and a Duke losing his HRH status. Boris has no need to swing around a dead cat.

I wonder if Billy Joel would consider writing a new verse.

Damien

13-01-2022 21:52

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And another one: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...mourned-death/

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Number 10 held two boozy parties the night before the Queen mourned Prince Philip alone.

Staff drank and at points danced until the early hours of the night of April 16.

Hours later, the Queen went to a socially-distanced funeral for Philip.

At the time Britain was in Step 2 of lockdown easing - which banned indoor gatherings and imposed the rule of six outside.

But the celebrations in No10 meant around 30 people were gathered for what a source declares were definitely parties.

No 10 seems a great place to work, always a piss up

Mr K	13-01-2022 22:00

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I think the Torygraph wants Bozza gone pronto.
They have the final say , not MPs or the public. Book the removal van now old chap and don't forget the wallpaper 😉

Hugh	13-01-2022 22:04

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Strange - not behind a paywall…

jfman

13-01-2022 22:07

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A party the night before Tin Lizzie went to mourn Phil the Greek all alone. He’d be spinning in his grave if rigor mortis hadn’t set in back in 2005.

Who does OB bow down to more, the corrupt Tories or Her Maj. I’ve my popcorn ready for the contortions he makes out of this one.

Chris

13-01-2022 22:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109348)

Strange - not behind a paywall…

It has been clear for many months now that the Telegraph absolutely hates Boris. They’re going for the kill now.

jfman

13-01-2022 22:22

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36109351)

It has been clear for many months now that the Telegraph absolutely hates Boris. They’re going for the kill now.

I’m intrigued by how often emotive terminology comes out.

“Hate” quite frequently in relation to Johnson. As if it’s impossible that, devoid of emotion, anyone has simply reached the conclusion that he’s exceeded his usefulness (if indeed, he ever had any at all).

He’s not a Conservative in any traditional sense. His unification of the party related to one issue, and one only. One that he seized the opportunity of after famously penning two articles such was his lack of conviction for either side of the argument.

A populist is only useful to the extent they remain popular. And the mask has well and truly slipped.

Damien

13-01-2022 22:26

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Be interested to see how an event that allegedly had a DJ was a 'work event'

Chris

13-01-2022 22:29

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109353)

Newspaper owners and editors consciously develop a personality for their titles and then ensure it speaks with a voice that reflects it. Given that the Telegraph was pro-Brexit and it was fairly widely acknowledged that Boris probably stood the best chance of delivering it, their rapid turn against him is quite striking and in the crazy world of Fleet Street, “Hate” is as good a way of expressing that as any.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36109354)

Be interested to see how an event that allegedly had a DJ was a 'work event'

Fear not, OB is most likely already penning just the rebuttal you’re looking for.

1andrew1

13-01-2022 22:39

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36109355)

Fear not, OB is most likely already penning just the rebuttal you’re looking for.

OB won't pen a rebuttal until the results of the inquiry are published. ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36109351)

It has been clear for many months now that the Telegraph absolutely hates Boris. They’re going for the kill now.

I suspect Cummings is going in for the kill. The Telegraph is just one of the many knives he is likely yielding.

Some of us wondered at the time what Cummings knew that got him access to the Rose Garden for his press statement. We're starting to understand why Johnson placed it at his disposal.

GrimUpNorth

13-01-2022 22:40

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109300)

You’ve been in the wrong job, Hugh. Even working in local government, we had some afternoon meetings with alcohol. One of them was in a pub garden. We found it loosened people up, and some useful ideas came out of it that resolved a few problems that had been bedevilling us for some time.

You haven’t lived!

Like shall we carry on to a club then go for a curry. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

Anyway on a serious note, only had the TV on in the background, but did I hear correctly when Jacob Rees-Mogg stood up and planted the seeds of an idea to retrospectively change the rules on lockdowns possible as a way to dig one of his fellow MP's out of a hole. Sounds like an original plan that's got no chance of failure, I wonder why they've never tried something like this before :rolleyes:.

Chris

13-01-2022 22:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109358)

OB won't pen a rebuttal until the results of the inquiry are published. ;)

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I suspect Cummings is going in for the kill. The Telegraph is just one of the many knives he is likely yielding.

Some of us wondered at the time what Cummings knew that got him access to the Rose Garden for his press statement. We're starting to understand why Johnson placed it at his disposal.

The Tele isn’t about to let itself be anyone’s tool. Their agendas are clearly aligned but there’s no doubt Chris Evans is doing this because he’s fully bought into it.

The front page proofs of tomorrow’s print edition is circulating now - they’re running it downpage, but it’s on the front and I suspect the only reason it’s not the lead is because of ex-HRH Andy.

1andrew1

13-01-2022 22:53

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109300)

Yes, instead of being on Her Majesty's Secret Service in West Berlin, Hugh could have been issuing parking tickets for the council in West Berkshire.

He clearly hasn't lived! :D

Damien

13-01-2022 22:55

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

The Tories must know the report is going to technically get him off the hook the amount of times they keep referring to it. Looks like it's going to say there was wide spread problems, Johnson will fire some civil servants, and then try to move on.

jfman

13-01-2022 22:59

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Of course the Telegraph are bought into it - which was my point about it being cold, hard and rational. Anyone with any political nous knows Johnson’s leadership has been in terminal decline since at least the Owen Paterson corruption scandal.

The only question was when, not if, he would replaced and who would the successor be. It is untenable for the Telegraph, or anyone else seeking to influence, to leave the timing and changeover to chance. At some point they need to move when conditions are favourable to their man (or woman) or leave that opportunity to shape the next two years to other actors or worse risk Starmer winning. Which despite the odd Mystic Meg on here seems an increasingly likely outcome unless someone steadies the ship.

Pierre

13-01-2022 23:09

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109353)

I’m intrigued by how often emotive terminology comes out.

So am I

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A party the night before Tin Lizzie went to mourn Phil the Greek all alone. He’d be spinning in his grave if rigor mortis hadn’t set in back in 2005.

Hugh	13-01-2022 23:12

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

1 Attachment(s)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1642115534

1andrew1

13-01-2022 23:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36109361)

Agree on why its downpage.

When I talk about The Telegraph being a tool, I mean a tool in the same way that ITV News was a useful tool for someone when it distributed the leaked email about the 20th May party.

I can't see why most UK news outlets would not go in heavily if presented with this material, unless there was a good reason not to. For example, The Sun would be a poor choice to leak this story to as one of the Downing Street leaving-dos was for James Slack, now its deputy editor.

The Telegraph is a shrewd choice to leak this article to given its fondness for royalty.

Hugh	13-01-2022 23:14

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109363)

Yes, instead of being on Her Majesty's Secret Service in West Berlin, Hugh could have been issuing parking tickets for the council in West Berkshire.

He clearly hasn't lived! :D

tbf, it wasn’t "Secret", you just got put away for a long time if you talked about it… ;)

If only I had been able to experience the roller-coaster of excitement and intrigue that was Council HR in the 70s and 80s, instead of my boring job of monitoring the Sovs in the island of Democracy that was West Berlin in the middle of East Germany.

Ah well - what you haven’t had, you’ll never miss…

Chris

13-01-2022 23:16

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36109364)

Tomorrow’s Times claims the finding will be that the gatherings were “not criminal”, which is a technicality Boris might use to try to cling on but what scintilla of moral authority he still has, will be gone.

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109319)

I wonder why the May 20th "team meeting" didn’t take place in a pub, then?

What are you suggesting, Hugh? Boris would never have done that - it was illegal!

Hugh	13-01-2022 23:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109374)

What are you suggesting, Hugh? Boris would never have done that - it was illegal!

Well done!

That’s up there with your post on the definition of "linear TV".

Luckily you didn’t say ‘unlawful" rather than "illegal"… ;)

1andrew1

13-01-2022 23:21

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109370)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1642115534

:D:D:D

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 23:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109323)

Ported from the Epstein thread.

We have more than allegations, we have actual evidence:
- The email invitation
- Johnson's admission he attended.

You could probably argue that we have witnesses as well.

The answers to which are:

- We don’t yet know whether the PM knew about that invitation;
- The PM has stated he addressed the employees but did not realise it was a party (if indeed it was).

I can understand why Boris-haters don’t want to wait for the inquiry. They might belatedly realise that this was an honest mistake - or maybe not a mistake or an illegal act at all.

This is the danger of relying on allegations. Making an allegation doesn’t make it true.

Unless you hate the person the allegation refers to, of course!

jfman

13-01-2022 23:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36109369)

So am I

I fail to see any emotive terminology. Her name’s Liz, he was Greek and looked like he died about 2005. I’m 99% certain there’d be no grave oscillation if that’s what you were worrying about. It’s only a figure of speech.

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 23:43

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109353)

He’s not a Conservative in any traditional sense. His unification of the party related to one issue, and one only.

What levelling up? Yes, that was very popular.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36109354)

Be interested to see how an event that allegedly had a DJ was a 'work event'

That word ‘allegedly’ comes up again. Funny, that.

God, and you wonder why the advice is to wait for the result of the inquiry.

jfman

13-01-2022 23:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109381)

What levelling up? Yes, that was very popular.

Uh, oh. We’re onto the selective copying phase of deflection and distraction.

Chris knew what I meant and so do you.

As you were.

OLD BOY

13-01-2022 23:45

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36109360)

Like shall we carry on to a club then go for a curry. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

.

I will credit you with a vivid imagination, Grimmy. It’s a pity you use it to such destructive ends.

1andrew1

13-01-2022 23:46

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109377)

Hating someone does not make an allegation true. And I for one don't hate Boris. I know his strengths and weaknesses and have not been shy in pointing them out.

However, hating someone is a strong motivation to bring their career down if you have plenty of dirt on them. This is what is happening to Johnson now. Any idea of who it might be?

However, you insult Forum Members' intelligence if you think we're daft enough to swallow the line that Johnson didn't realise he was at a party.

jfman

13-01-2022 23:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109386)

However, you insult Forum Members' intelligence if you think we're daft enough to swallow the line that Johnson didn't realise he was at a party.

Ironically he’s insulting the intelligence of Conservative voters more by insisting they will buy it!

1andrew1

13-01-2022 23:51

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109381)

That word ‘allegedly’ comes up again. Funny, that.

God, and you wonder why the advice is to wait for the result of the inquiry.

Trouble is, by the time she's ready to publish the report, she'll have another collection of parties to review!

Maybe Johnson's leaking more parties to the press so that she's kept super busy, so she'll never get to publish the report! :D

Hugh	13-01-2022 23:55

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36109373)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ning-p58stz0d2

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The scenario where Johnson survives is fairly simple. The Gray report, which Johnson’s allies are busy building up, is an anticlimax, refusing to say whether the prime minister should resign or opine on whether or not he broke the rules (Sue Gray’s remit is more to establish the facts than to pass judgment).

Sounds familiar…

OLD BOY

14-01-2022 00:02

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36109383)

Uh, oh. We’re onto the selective copying phase of deflection and distraction.

Chris knew what I meant and so do you.

As you were.

It depends on your narrative, jfman.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109386)

What I am advocating is that we get all the information before making a judgement. What’s wrong with that?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109388)

Now your desperation is making you perverse.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109389)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ning-p58stz0d2

Sounds familiar…

The ‘facts’ are what are most important here, and we don’t have all the facts, just allegations.

Hugh	14-01-2022 00:07

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"Wait for the results of the enquiry" is the 21st Century’s "That would be an ecumenical matter"…

OLD BOY is Father Jack, and I claim my five pounds…

FACT - Johnson went into a garden where over 30 people were socialising, and stayed there for 25 minutes; this was, under the laws of that date, illegal.

1andrew1

14-01-2022 00:13

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109390)

What I am advocating is that we get all the information before making a judgement. What’s wrong with that?

We've got sufficient information to make an informed decision. We know he attended a party and we know that such gatherings were illegal under his own laws.

Sue Gray's role is to take the sting out of the tail by delaying matters.

The Telegraph, Mail and Express know that the best chance of Conservative victory in 2024 is if Johnson steps down sooner than later. I'm surprised you don't agree with them.

Hugh	14-01-2022 00:19

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"Let’s wait for the results of the independent inquiry" (which are due by the end of next week).

So independent that the findings are being briefed to the papers.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1642119388

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/stat...061031950?s=12

1andrew1

14-01-2022 00:20

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109390)

Now your desperation is making you perverse.

No desperation on my part. I'm not the lone defender of Johnson's partying on this thread.

jfman

14-01-2022 00:22

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36109390)

It depends on your narrative, jfman.

It literally doesn’t. There’s one forum member, maybe a second at a push, spinning a narrative here.

If you care to address my post in full I’ve quoted it below. Otherwise I’ll leave you to provide the late night comedy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman

Sephiroth

14-01-2022 00:24

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Here are the actual "Sue Gray" terms of reference:

Quote:

Investigations into staff gatherings in No10 Downing Street and the
Department for Education

The Prime Minister has asked the Cabinet Secretary to carry out investigations into:

● allegations made of a gathering in No10 Downing Street on 27 November 2020;
● a gathering at the Department for Education on 10 December 2020; and
● allegations made of a gathering in No10 Downing Street on 18 December 2020.

Where there are credible allegations relating to other gatherings, these may be investigated.

The primary purpose will be to establish swiftly a general understanding of the nature of the gatherings, including attendance, the setting and the purpose, with reference to adherence to the guidance in place at the time.
If required, the investigations will establish whether individual disciplinary action is warranted.

The work will be undertaken by officials in the Cabinet Office at the direction of the Cabinet Secretary, with support from the Government Legal Department.

The team will have access to all relevant records, and be able to speak to members of staff.

As with all internal investigations, if during the course of the work any evidence emerges of behaviour that is potentially a criminal offence, the matter will be referred to the police and the Cabinet Office’s work may be paused. Matters relating to adherence to the law are properly for the police to investigate and the Cabinet Office will liaise with them as appropriate.

Any matters relating to the conduct of Ministers should follow the process set out in the Ministerial Code in the normal way.

All Ministers, Special Advisers, and civil servants will be expected to co-operate with the investigations.

Any staff with information relevant to the investigations should provide it to the Cabinet Office investigation team.

Pastoral care and support will be provided to all staff involved.

The findings of the investigations will be made public. Following the long-standing practice of successive administrations, any specific HR action against individuals will remain confidential.

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedP...cember2021.pdf

jfman

14-01-2022 00:25

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109398)

No desperation on my part. I'm not the lone defender of Johnson's partying on this thread.

Now, now. In fairness to OB here Pierre made an appearance. Exhibiting brevity, so not the most robust defence, but his presence was noted.

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