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Aaah. That explains your regular presence on this forum. ;)

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Full fibre for an IPTV product would make sense

Sky talks on partnering with Virgin Media O2 hit BT

https://www.reuters.com/business/med...ce-2021-10-04/

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28th this month sees HBOMAX launch in Europe.

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Except for viewers in Sky countries I assume.

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As far as we know in the office WB are keen to get HBOMAX on the SKYQ platform and SKY are also keen.

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Interesting… if that is indeed the case, would that mean Sky are going to walk away from the exclusivity deal to let them go D2C with Sky just being an exclusive pay tv partner? Or are they going to collaborate within the current deal and build a HBO Max branded area within the existing Sky ecosystem?

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More likely be once the contract ends we think, atm these are the countries HBOMAX Europe will be launching in this month,
HBO Max European Pricing
Country Existing HBO
monthly subscription first collum
no idea what middle collum is unless it's old prices
annual subscription - last collum

Sweden (Kr) 109 89 699
Norway (Kr) 109 89 699
Denmark (Kr) 99 79 599
Finland (€) 10,95 8,99 69,99
Spain (€) 8,99 8,99 69,99

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Wasn't today the day Sky was to unveil (trumpet fanfare) 'The Future Of Television'? Or something like that.

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Yes they’ve announced Sky Glass. A TV with integrated Sky TV service over IPTV.

Available in 43, 55, and 65 inch models. £649, £849 or £1049 with options to pay monthly over 24 or 48 months.

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Looks a bargain to me . . sometimes I wish I enjoyed TV enough to throw money at it ;)

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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-platform.html

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Odd that he’s surprised the additional “puck” needs extra bandwidth. Presumably because watching two things at once requires more bandwidth than one.

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It’s surprising how fast the bandwidth disappears when you have multiple smart TVs in your home. The article author probably doesn’t have teenagers.

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With the SKY Ultimate being a 31day contract on SKY glass one would think in the future this may be rolled out to replace NOW.
Via a streaming device ofcourse.

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Why would it Now is £9.99 as opposed to £26 for Sky Ultimate.

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This link provides a full list of streaming services that will be made available initially on Sky Glass:

https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-gl...treaming-apps/

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Thanks. Apple TV , Britbox and My5 noted as key gaps v many smart TVs.

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Thankfully, my Sony Bravia has them. I am enjoying ‘For All Mankind’, ‘The Morning Show’ and ‘Foundation’ at present on Apple+.

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Mosquito Coast was my Apple + fave. Will have a look at those, though.

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I enjoyed Dickenson and Central Park. Watched them all.

Watched 1 The Morning Show and 1 of Foundation. Love the Foundation books so I had a prior interest in that.

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Unless its included in the main streaming channels the BT Sport app seems a glaring omission too.

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See is a fantastic show too.

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Just stumbled across this:

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2021...claims-report/

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Indeed it is and as the infrastructure gets faster in more areas this will only grow,
some seem to think that SKY may drop sattelite entirely within the next 15 years and just become a iptv provider (keywords "some seem to think") a lot is happening regarding iptv things, been a lot of stuff come in office on Friday, i'll see more of it during the week as it filters down to our department it's with the guys upstairs atm (they're the oompa loompas of the workplace lol).

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It’s no wonder people move to streaming as the main tv pay providers also include adverts and onscreen DOGs showcasing programmes on the channel whereas streaming (with the exception of now, unless you pay a premium) are ad & DOG free and in most cases a lot better picture and sound quality.

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An interesting article to challenge the notion that streaming is a relatively low cost distribution method to millions of people.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...raffic-netflix

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It seems fair to me that those companies who use more than standard limits for bandwidth should pay for the privilege.

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Well it doesn’t really matter who pays - the end user does in the end - through their broadband sub, streaming sub or a combination of both. However the notion that you can just shift millions of hours of television viewing online at little/no cost while saving large amounts on satellite uplink and bandwidth does not appear grounded in reality.

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It is the customers who are accessing the companies products that are using the bandwidth - an important difference.

If ISPs start prioritising bandwidth because companies pay for it, that could not bode well for future start-ups, small companies, or non-profits/individuals, who could get low-priority/minimum bandwidth.

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A Freeview equivalent of Sky's new Glass TV would be an interesting test for the UK's broadband network.

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At the moment, it appears that the content providers are getting that bandwidth free, so there is no cost to them or to us. I assume they are working within the limits set, but when these are in danger of being exceeded, I dare say there will be some conversations about who will pay for the extra capacity. At that point, we will pay extra one way or another, either by higher broadband fees or higher streamer charges.

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Not sure that’s totally accurate - don’t websites & content providers pay CDNs to keep more localised copies of their content (and in turn, CDNs pay the ISPs for hosting).

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I’ll bow to your superior wisdom, Hugh.

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Didn't Netflix install CDNs at the VM headends a few years ago?

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DAZN have sent a survey to users in the UK to measure their likelihood of purchasing a hypothetical boxing event between Dillian Whyte and Andy Ruiz Jr. for £29.99.

None of them hold a world title.

Another nail in the coffin of the low cost streaming future if they are wanting £30 every other month for mediocre boxing on top of a sub.

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Will that survey generate intel they might use to drive down the value of BT Sport in negotiations?

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That is what will happen, if OB is correct and streamers end up ruling the world.

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Pay per view boxing is not a streaming phenomenon- it’s been with us for years. I don’t think sport will ever be sold cheaply, whether by way of conventional broadcasting or by streaming. However, if you only watch one kind of sport (eg football) I believe that this will end up cheaper than Sky.

The cheaper TV via streaming I have been on about has really been all about drama, news and documentaries rather than sport and I acknowledge that it is a lot less clear how prices will turn out there. I think that those who like watching a range of different sports may be the ones to lose out, but it all depends on which providers pick up the most sports rights.

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I see even streaming providers such as Roku are vulnerable to channel disputes.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...roku-platform/

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In other words you’re only likely to “win” if you want to subscribe to a single supplier and only consume the limited content you can get there.

For those of us who have become accustomed to rich and diverse range of content from a range of content makers we will lose out in the long run.

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I think it’s only sports lovers who like to have a variety of content who may lose out, but that could well change. Free or lower subscription streamers with advertising could be the answer, which is what people have now on the conventional channels.

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Disney and Discovery are pulling minority interest general entertainment and documentary content in different directions, so it isn’t true to state that viewers of non-sport content will be unaffected by higher costs.

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Word in office is Netflix planning another price rise on all packages.

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The last rise was hard to swallow but I stuck with them, don’t think I would be keen to pay any more considering the amount of other services to choose from.

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Higher costs are inevitable. All I have said is that streamers of scripted content will provide better value for money than conventional channels, which to my mind is pretty obvious. The flexibility subscribers have to change providers without hassle is an added bonus.

The problem with sport is that the limited number of sports that attract a large percentage of viewers encourages those with big pockets to scrape up all the goodies for themselves. That inevitably puts up the price because the bids are so high. Sky and BT have as much as said they have had enough, so they are both likely to pull out of the market altogether before long.

Where dramas and documentaries are concerned, there is no limit to the amount of content that can be produced as originals, and so the price of all that is relatively low. Competition helps the consumer in that area.

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You won’t get us much choice that is free within the subscription with any other provider, although it’s fair to say that you’d never get around to watching more than a small fraction of the choice on Netflix.

Prime is second best, although there is also a lot of content on there that you need to pay an additional charge for. However, if you stick with the Prime originals, there’s loads to choose from, and there’s quite a lot more under the ‘Prime’ banner that is free also.

Apple TV and StarzPlay have some good stuff, but choice is much more limited. You can move on when you’ve seen enough anyway.

Acorn has some good stuff although they are still building their library - many of their programmes are archive content. Britbox may come into its own eventually, but I think there are only three originals on there so far, one of which is ‘Spitting Image’! If you like revisiting the old stuff, that might be worth a try.

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They've made it very difficult to sub from other regions too unless you have a debit/credit card for that reason you have to use gift vouchers in that regions currency.
For me when they started blocking vpns (i use my to protect my connection) put them on thin ice, i'm paid up until Feb 2022 i won't be renewing.

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Does competition help the end user? All of these middlemen outbidding each other for content drives up costs, not reduces them. With fewer consumers to absorb the costs from. The end user loses the economies of scale that legacy platforms had in driving down prices from studios and third parties, who generally didn’t have many places to go.

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Yes, it does, where choice is plentiful. I think scripted content will always be cheaper on streamers.

Where choice is more restricted (ie sport), it's a different scenario. However, there's a limit to what people will be prepared to pay.

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BT have said they're exploring options and were last reported to be in talks with DAZN. But I don't believe Sky have stated any intentions of withdrawing from the market and indeed, just reported record viewing figures for Sky Sports.

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What Sky said last time was that they were being more circumspect about the bidding process and that there was a limit on how much they were prepared to bid.

Of course, that might just have been a ploy to convince competitors to keep their bids lower than they might otherwise have done!

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Absolutely agree - but don't think this means "they are both likely to pull out of the market altogether before long."

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Is choice “plentiful” or is everyone chasing the best price from the same half dozen independent studios or having to invest in their own?

After all there’s only a finite amount of actors, narrators, directors, producers, etc before you start scraping the barrel quality wise.

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There’s no evidence that Sky are intending to leave the market completely, this seems to be a significant amount of wishful thinking on your part.

Sky have called the market perfectly in the last two rights auctions for Premier League rights, despite the Premier League trying to magic up from nowhere a stalking horse bidder from a non-existent streamer.

Indeed, it brings us back to the age old question of what a streamer brings to the table that Sky doesn’t?

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Frankly, I tend to watch the originals in the main, which provide me with an excellent choice of viewing.

Incidentally, there are plenty of talented actors and so on who are unemployed, and even many well known actors can struggle to find work between productions. We’re nowhere near experiencing any shortages yet.

What is more, we already have an abundant choice which we did not have before the streamers came along.

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I can't say too much but SKY want to expand on their iptv route.
So take from that what you will.

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I don’t believe for one moment that Sky want to leave the market. All they have said is that there is a limit to how much they will bid for rights to the Premier League.

I am relaxed about who provides sports content in this country - I don’t watch it and I don’t care. I have merely shared my thoughts on what I think will happen, which is that sooner or later the streamers will take over.

All the streamers bring to the market is financial clout and better ideas on how the rights they acquire could be maximised by bringing sports to a wider audience and possibly by selling merchandise - not to mention take up for other services provided on their platforms. That’s why I am beginning to think there may be better value here for Amazon, Disney and Discovery. However, it is fair to say that Comcast is in a similar position now it has acquired Sky.

Whatever happens, streaming will end up being used for the delivery of the Premier League. The transfer to streaming will be slower if Comcast successfully bids because they have a satellite service and there is no necessity to disrupt that while the satellite service is maintained. Even if streamers successfully bid, they may set up channels temporarily until our broadband system is better, but my view is that they will close those channels in favour of ‘streaming only’ at their earliest opportunity.

By the way, I think we all know that you disagree with that. So we’ll have to wait and see, won’t we?

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It’s becoming more apparent by the day that this is Sky’s intention. They may close their satellite service altogether sometime in the 2030s.

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Well yes, I’ll disagree.

DAZN appear to be regretting their sojourn into boxing and other secondary rights, recognising (as Sky do) that it’s the top dollar rights that bring in customers month in, month out.

Saul Alvarez vs Caleb Plant is on BT Sport Box Office in the UK when that should naturally be part of their ambitions. Eddie Hearn appears to have more limited funds at his disposal, and influence, in the North American market as ESPN and others go from strength to strength.

I’m not sure how we have moved from “deep pockets” to “market clout” I’m intrigued to know what the difference is. Is it, as I’ve been bleating on for what appears to be decades, a viable business model?

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Are these prices correct ? If so I fail to see how this will compete with Now.


https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...the-corner/amp

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I said ‘financial clout’. I haven’t moved anything; you just misquote, misinterpret, misrepresent and then claim the other person has changed their position.

As for your ‘business models’ - they just need to make a profit, as Sky and BT do. I don’t know why you cannot see how the streamers can make money out of this when the channel operators can - the whole idea that streamers cannot do this is absurd.

I doubt you know what their business models are anyway!

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No bids, OB - except the bargain bucket rights Sky/BT didn’t want. If it’s that easy where were bids? I’m sure they know their business models better than both of us.

“Just need to make a profit” didn’t serve ITV Digital or Setanta well, or ESPN after them. The idea that it is easy is misplaced. Indeed, the blind bidding process is designed to maximise the costs of the rights minimising the profits for the bidder(s) in a competitive auction. Someone bids too much for everyone else. In the case of Sky and BT to date - too much for Amazon, Netflix, Google, Facebook, DAZN, etc.

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Strange pricing - I guess the question is how well “bundles” come out and what retentions look like.

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Surely that depends on how much the streamers are prepared to pay to dislodge Sky.

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Well, we've argued this before, and as I keep reminding you, the fact it hasn't happened yet means nothing at all. Things change. Broadband connectivity improves.

We all know you disagree, on most things as it happens, so perhaps we should just leave it there. Others can judge who is right, and events will prove it one way or the other.

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That goes for all of us.

No discussion equals no forums though. It's about balance between repeating the same things, and doing it so much it gets unnecessarily ill-natured. If that happens too much and people walk away, the viewpoints get narrower, it maybe becomes an echo chamber and/or it may ultimately close.

Reading many forums over the years they often become infinite loops, and it can be off-putting, for existing and new contributors.

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In the absence of a viable business model probably not very much.

The technology change represents zero opportunity for additional revenue streams compared to Sky who already retail via Now.

I think OB that sadly you have been pushing this mantra so far, for so long, that you’ve gone down the rabbit hole. In the boardrooms of these multinational conglomerates they don’t feel as strongly as you do about delivery methods - which is all streaming is television over broadband.

There’s no supernatural force out there that gives a company that is restrictive about how it reaches it’s customer base additional revenues over one completely agnostic. The fact DAZN are looking to spend billions on BT Sport rather than enter blind rights auctions and roll the dice themselves is evidence enough.

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Your assertion was that "they [Sky and BT] are both likely to pull out of the [sports TV] market altogether before long."
You've provided no evidence to support your assertion that Sky intend to pull out of the sports TV market.

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SKY have no intention of pulling out of sports, they have plans in place until at least 2040 )presuming SKY is still around then).

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Or 2040s, 2050s, 2060s etc etc.

Only thing that changes are that your predictions are getting more vague.

Sky's whole business plan has been built around Premier League football - they have survived the loss of Champions League, Premiership Rugby, Autumn Rugby Internationals and a lot of Southern Hemisphere sport.

Yes they are looking at providing their content via broadband - this has been coming for years and is aimed primarily at those who cannot (or don't want) have a dish on their house. If anything I see this as a move to take customers off Virgin

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Indeed, I missed this bit:

It already is for anyone who wants it.

I do find it odd that OB has been pining for everything all in one place delivered over the internet and when Sky (through Sky Glass) pull it off with their own service and all the major streamers he’s not happy.

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Confirmed by SKY on Tweeter that Appletv+ is joining SKYQ and Glass.

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Doubt l will be :shocked:

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Just how much time do other people have to watch TV ? Have to pick and choose, with out additional channels. Surely at some point , streamers or TV channels ( not just minor ones ) will just die. :confused:

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Agreed, but cost is a bigger factor imo.

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A November launch for Peacock was mentioned on the Comcast earnings call earlier...

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Isn’t Peacock due to launch and be included for Now TV Entertainment customers as well ?

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Yes - this was Sky’s announcement.

https://www.skygroup.sky/article/com...-coming-to-sky

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This will make Now TV Entertainment even better value for us especially at under a fiver.

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I myself am mostly streaming services now combo of Netflix, HBOMAX, Peacock. I get Appletv+ free until January 2022 i won't be keeping it.
I recently dropped prime too as wasn't using Amazon for shopping imo Amazon has got quite expensive and i wasn't using the tv service much either.

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It won't be nothing like the USA version yet.

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Hi muppetman.
I too am on a £4.99 deal but it expires next month.
I got an e-mail the other day saying another discount will be applied automatically, new price £6.99

Still good value but I'll decide closer to the time if I keep or cancel, depends what is on at the time.

Having said that, Gomorrah is back in November so I may keep it a bit longer :)

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True, but the good material not on Peacock UK is on Sky, isn’t it?

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Most of it is yes.

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I assume it will be a bit like what IMDB TV is for Amazon Prime - adverts and mostly second run series and older films?

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A source has told Planet Sport that a deal has been agreed for DAZN to buy out BT Sport from next summer.

The streaming service have made a huge impact around the world over the last five years in Europe, North America and Japan.

https://www.planetsport.com/boxing/n...en-boy-dropped

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Obviously the streaming model doesn't work in UK - otherwise why spend a lot of money buying BT Sports.

They will acquire the BT rights - particularly Premier League, Champions League and Premiership Rugby.

I seem to recall that Sky have to agree any sale of BT sports rights - anyone confirm this and have sky agreed?

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Indeed, if there were any doubt that the prophecies of the imminent demise of linear television were incorrect, this surely puts it to bed.

Far from being easy to pick off rights as values fall and have customers swarm across it now appears to be challenging to the extent it is worth buying one of the incumbents, their customer base and fundamentally in the short to medium term their viable business model.

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No news yet on if DAZN will keep all the BT Sports Channel slots or move everything to DAZN streaming Service.

If DAZN axe BT's EPG Slots it will be goodbye from me to UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and WWE (I have been watching WWF/WWE since 1990.)

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There’s zero chance of that happening imminently, MB.

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Apologies if already posted

https://variety.com/2021/digital/new...nd-1235077697/

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The Serie A debacle has had fleeting references but I don’t recall such a detailed article. Thanks for sharing.

I’m quite sure the EPL will have all eyes on it and - purely for reputational risk to their product - require assurances from some hypothetical streaming only service bidding in the far, far future.

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For Italy substitute UK and for Serie A substitute EPL.

This country has significant broadband challenges, when they are resolved then streamers will have a better opportunity to enter the market.

AS FOR DAZN buying BT sports just to get their customer base then ditch the linear channels - I cannot believe this will happen - surely it would be cheaper just to buy the rights they want from BT?

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I agree with most of the blah, blah due to broadband issues such as experienced recently in Italy, jf man. I don’t agree with the far, far, however.

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I think we've seen the future with Sky Glass. Linear channels and streaming apps all delivered by broadband hopefully with a way of searching across all content providers with one search function. And no space for those pesky shopping channels. ;)

I thought you of all forum members would be an early adopter, Old Boy, and would have booked your first class ticket aboard the future of TV broadcasting on the Streaming Express - aka Sky Glass - by now?

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You then only have to buy or pay monthly for a TV then pay Sky’s through the roof subscription charges and an add on for just about everything Sky deems non standard.:D

No way would I ever buy Sky Glass in its current form.

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Netflix are toying with the idea of discounted annual subs aka 12 months standard 1 screnn £59.90 and so on.

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We are certainly moving in the right direction, and faster than I anticipated. However, as I said before, I would not wish to be locked into Sky in order to receive the ‘smart’ part of my TV.

I do like the focus on the streamers, though, and also the live TV (while transmitter based broadcasting exists) being available without an aerial.

We are still ‘getting there’ as far as I am concerned. It could well be that the Sky solution turns out to be the best in the long run, but we shall see. On balance, I like the look of the Roku and Amazon TVs more, but the lack of a watchlist option is a disincentive. I rely on lists of programmes I have started or want to see - I don’t want to faff about compiling my own lists just to keep track of everything.

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If you research Sky Glass, you will find a number have already returned their TV as it is nowhere near the right quality.

This despite sky employees posting try Sky Glass as the solution to anyone who has dish problems.

Interestingly sky H&S has changed over the last few years so that Sky engineers will not maintain/upgrade dishes that are deemed too high/inaccessible - despite the fact they originally installed them.

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Well every customer who doesn’t have an adequate broadband connection is a customer that a diverse broadcaster - utilising all available technologies - could reach that an ideological streamer cannot. That impacts the entire business model and the maximum a bidder would outlay.

As Raider points out Serie A is the equivalent premium sports rights in that nation as the EPL here. Yet they flounder on a few hundred thousand subscribers. Even population adjusted it’s absolutely miles from where it needs to be.

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Thanks for the info, hopefully it comes to fruition.

I'm amazed Netflix haven't offered any discounts at all since their inception (that I know of). Possibly the only TV content supplier to not do so.

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I would say to offer discounts is the pathway to a hornets nest of problems just look at the posts here! Netflix don't need too join in the race to the bottom , the problem with having staff on bonuses for keeping customers . :cool:

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UK Government is considering taxing streaming services.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...d-online-goods

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Bearing in mind the colossal broadband traffic used to get streams to people it isn't unreasonable for them to pay a contribution towards the cost in some way

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Sorry really don't understand your thought process . Of cause people pay for streaming services , if you can show me how to get free BB and streaming l will be very grateful .how giving money to the government is a contribution is beyond me.:confused:

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It’s nothing to do with the bandwidth they use. Streamers are potentially within the remit of a new online sales tax that’s supposed to redress the balance between physical high street stores which pay business rates and online retailers that don’t. But it’s only at the consultation stage at the moment, and we’re quite some way away from any new tax being announced.

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Streamers are (and if OBs vision does come to fruition) will continue to increase the required fixed and mobile infrastructure capacity. While not the purpose of the tax - it will have an impact on the commercial viability of broadband services and ultimately where the state has to intervene to provide infrastructure if internet users won’t foot the bill.

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Not my thought process, just something reported as a possibility in the press.

As others have replied, streaming has increased broadband usage particularly in WFH era.