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Damien 17-09-2021 13:05
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36093386)
Why should he? He’s a private citizen working in an industry where you frequently have to produce copy from a perspective that reflects the editorial line even if it doesn’t perfectly align with your own. He doesn’t owe you or anyone else an explanation and for you to describe him in these terms for refusing to indulge you is just a little unhinged. You seem to have him confused with a politician you elected to serve your interests, though frankly even in that case your mode of expression would be extreme.
I would be interested to hear why he left though. I would imagine given he was effectively leading the channel's set-up he had a significant say in the editorial line until he, reportedly, fell out over that direction with the other senior people there.

Neil himself was promoting this channel as an antidote to the 'woke' media and had a segment called 'Woke Watch' so I'll be interested to hear where he intended the channel to go.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36093391)
I’m a rational capitalist, I don’t see why the public sector should step in and supplement his income following a failed venture.
They're employing him to perform a task he is good at. Personally, I think he should have stayed the BBC in the first place.

Mick 17-09-2021 16:11
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36093397)
I would be interested to hear why he left though. I would imagine given he was effectively leading the channel's set-up he had a significant say in the editorial line until he, reportedly, fell out over that direction with the other senior people there.

Neil himself was promoting this channel as an antidote to the 'woke' media and had a segment called 'Woke Watch' so I'll be interested to hear where he intended the channel to go.

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They're employing him to perform a task he is good at. Personally, I think he should have stayed the BBC in the first place.
Well, I don't think he will be heading off to News UK any time soon, not given what he said about Fox News last night on Question Time, he also revealed he was in a minority of one, regarding GB News direction.

Damien 17-09-2021 18:09
Re: GB News
 
I would be interested to see what direction he envisioned though? Because to me it isn’t that different. They might be leaning into the culture war more heavily now but he made a big point of taking on ‘wokeness’ which is pretty similar.

If you want Neil on the BBC he generally gives all politicians a hard time so unless he was told he has to give certain guests an easier time I can’t think what his issue was.

Sephiroth 17-09-2021 18:31
Re: GB News
 
His principals possibly didn't appreciate Neil's self-importance. That was his problem at the BBC at the time of the general election.

Mick 17-09-2021 18:52
Re: GB News
 
LATEST: GB News issues statement on last nights QT:

Quote:
1/2 During last night’s BBC Question Time, a number of demonstrably untrue remarks were made about GB News. We stand for fair debate, tolerance, free speech and factual journalism. There are always more than two sides to any story and we believe in listening to all of them

2/2 We look forward to welcoming Andrew Neil back on GB News on Monday for his regular appearance.
Basically someone on the panel says the channel is a capture of bigotry. Must be some alternate reality they were talking about.

Sephiroth 17-09-2021 19:05
Re: GB News
 
Can hardly wait for Monday!

OLD BOY 17-09-2021 20:29
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36093391)
I’m at a loss is he this benign impartial journalist entitled to private opinions, or is he a public figure of standing in the media who wants to throw his opinions out there and indeed seek to influence public discourse by doing so?

I’m a rational capitalist, I don’t see why the public sector should step in and supplement his income following a failed venture.
There are two words in that little phrase that had me spit my coffee out. Thanks for that, my wife is furious as she’d just had the carpet cleaned.

Mr K 17-09-2021 20:55
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36093468)
There are two words in that little phrase that had me spit my coffee out. Thanks for that, my wife is furious as she’d just had the carpet cleaned.
I recommend Bissell machines for carpet cleaning. Don't leave it whatever you do....

1andrew1 18-09-2021 00:03
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093442)
Can hardly wait for Monday!
Ditto. ;)

1andrew1 22-09-2021 21:40
Re: GB News
 
No surprise that Andrew Neil did not appear on Monday. Here's a snippet from the i newspaper. The bit about "get your popcorn ready" is intriguing.
Quote:
A source told i: “There have been big rows – he was meant to come on and they wanted to tackle him over what he said to Fiona Bruce on Question Time.

“But they decided against the question and dropped him from the show instead.”

They added: “The new chairman, Paul Marshall, who replaced Andrew, also told the newsroom the board was united in ‘sacking’ him, which is total bullshit. It’s all about to blow up – get your popcorn ready.”

While both the channel and presenter maintained he was taking a summer holiday, it is understood the two parties spent months mired in legal disputes over ending the contract, reported to be worth £700,000 a year.

Both GB News and Andrew Neil declined to comment.
https://inews.co.uk/news/media/andre...ibutor-1211467

Damien 22-09-2021 23:09
Re: GB News
 
Well he has commented now: https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1440797569836146690

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After weeks of talks with @GBNEWS, resulting in exit settlement, the channel then broke it by briefing Mail on Sunday with load of smears/lies then unilaterally cancelling exit deal. Leaving me free to do, say whatever I want + never again be on GBNews. Couldn’t be happier.

jfman 23-09-2021 00:09
Re: GB News
 
Andrew Neil: will stay silent for cash.

Doesn’t give off an immediate whiff of integrity does it? Then again lecturing us from the south of France was probably a giveaway.

Sephiroth 23-09-2021 08:33
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36094090)
Andrew Neil: will stay silent for cash.

Doesn’t give off an immediate whiff of integrity does it? Then again lecturing us from the south of France was probably a giveaway.
"Ecosse en sud".

1andrew1 23-09-2021 10:03
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36094090)
Andrew Neil: will stay silent for cash.

Doesn’t give off an immediate whiff of integrity does it? Then again lecturing us from the south of France was probably a giveaway.
If you believed he was on holiday then this will arrive as a shock to you, but I think only but a few gullible individuals fell for that ruse.

Sephiroth 23-09-2021 10:13
Re: GB News
 
Who cares. Neil is a pompous individual who over-rated his own self-importance at the BCC, especially at the time of the general election.

However, Murdoch seems keen to have him back so we'll see how that develops.

Mick 23-09-2021 10:26
Re: GB News
 
I think Neil has cut his nose off to spite his face, BBC probably won’t rehire him, some folk say Mr Murdoch will take him on, I doubt that now from how he berated Fox News last week, calling it a channel that deals with untruths, conspiracy theories and fake news, that’s not him taking to embracing Murdoch’s news outfit.

jfman 23-09-2021 10:42
Re: GB News
 
We live in hope.

1andrew1 23-09-2021 10:48
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094111)
I think Neil has cut his nose off to spite his face, BBC probably won’t rehire him, some folk say Mr Murdoch will take him on, I doubt that now from how he berated Fox News last week, calling it a channel that deals with untruths, conspiracy theories and fake news, that’s not him taking to embracing Murdoch’s news outfit.
Neil's probably happy enough to stick with his role as chairman of The Spectator. He has his pride/ego, his age and plenty of cash so won't want to rush into anything else at the moment.

Damien 23-09-2021 12:41
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094111)
I think Neil has cut his nose off to spite his face, BBC probably won’t rehire him, some folk say Mr Murdoch will take him on, I doubt that now from how he berated Fox News last week, calling it a channel that deals with untruths, conspiracy theories and fake news, that’s not him taking to embracing Murdoch’s news outfit.
Maybe Sky? Maybe free lancing and doing the 'big interviews' for the BBC, ITV or C4 come the next election?

It's a shame because I thought he was a great interviewer so I wish he had been a bit more diplomatic in his departure from the BBC. He seemed to take unnecessary shots at them upon leaving.

He seems to have been a bit arrogant in not appreciating the importance of this production crew at the BBC given how little importance was paid to that when setting up GB News and his subsequent frustration when the consequences of that became clear with all the mistakes and quality issues.

1andrew1 23-09-2021 13:30
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36094125)
Maybe Sky? Maybe free lancing and doing the 'big interviews' for the BBC, ITV or C4 come the next election?

It's a shame because I thought he was a great interviewer so I wish he had been a bit more diplomatic in his departure from the BBC. He seemed to take unnecessary shots at them upon leaving.

He seems to have been a bit arrogant in not appreciating the importance of this production crew at the BBC given how little importance was paid to that when setting up GB News and his subsequent frustration when the consequences of that became clear with all the mistakes and quality issues.
Would a broadcaster like Sky want a 75-year-old white male who's associated himself with the right-of-centre doing the big interviews with politicians?
I can see him doing a series eg interviews of figureheads eg Andrew Neill interviews ex-Prime Ministers for Channel 5 or yesterday but I think his days of making the news are over.

jfman 23-09-2021 15:10
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094129)
Would a broadcaster like Sky want a 75-year-old white male who's associated himself with the right-of-centre doing the big interviews with politicians?
I can see him doing a series eg interviews of figureheads eg Andrew Neill interviews ex-Prime Ministers for Channel 5 or yesterday but I think his days of making the news are over.
His war on woke doesn’t fit well with Sky and their equality drives against all forms of descrimination.

Mr K 23-09-2021 21:18
Re: GB News
 
Breaking News: Timmy Mallett has been hired as Andrew Neil's replacement. Farage is furious to still be upstaged.

Sephiroth 23-09-2021 21:22
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36094207)
Breaking News: Timmy Mallett has been hired as Andrew Neil's replacement. Farage is furious to still be upstaged.
Says it all (if true).

1andrew1 23-09-2021 21:51
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094209)
Says it all (if true).
Doubt GB News has that kind of budget - most of its year one programming budget was probably used to pay Harri and Neil off.

Mick 24-09-2021 10:32
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094216)
Doubt GB News has that kind of budget - most of its year one programming budget was probably used to pay Harri and Neil off.
You clearly haven’t read the news properly. Any settlement due has been voided, as Andrew Neil himself pointed out, saying he is free to so say what he wants. Harri was suspended. He chose to leave as far as I can recall.

1andrew1 24-09-2021 12:22
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094283)
You clearly haven’t read the news properly. Any settlement due has been voided, as Andrew Neil himself pointed out, saying he is free to so say what he wants. Harri was suspended. He chose to leave as far as I can recall.
I suspect Neil was paid off before his Question Time performance. I doubt he would have been so critical of the station then if it impacted his back pocket.

jfman 24-09-2021 13:09
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094295)
I suspect Neil was paid off before his Question Time performance. I doubt he would have been so critical of the station then if it impacted his back pocket.
If I read the timeline of events at that point the agreement stood. GB News reneged the weekend following.

Hugh 24-09-2021 13:15
Re: GB News
 
I’m sure Messrs Sue, Grabbit, & Runne will be having chats with GB News lawyers soon…

Sephiroth 24-09-2021 13:21
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094298)
I’m sure Messrs Sue, Grabbit, & Runne will be having chats with GB News lawyers soon…
... never mind Hunt, Lunt & Cunningham.

1andrew1 24-09-2021 13:26
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094299)
... never mind Hunt, Lunt & Cunningham.
I'm sure GB News's lawyers are sending out NDAs as fast as they can type them!

1andrew1 24-09-2021 23:34
Re: GB News
 
No real surprises here but the company and Neil disagree as to whose fault it was that the channel launched when it was not ready to.
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GB News is just a disaster. I came close to a breakdown. It would've killed me to carry on. I HAD to quit: ANDREW NEIL gives his first interview since his exit from the channel he helped create - amid tales of in-fighting, amateurism and toxic fallouts
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...DREW-NEIL.html

Mick 25-09-2021 00:00
Re: GB News
 
The only fallout I see is him crying about technical difficulties it’s first two week. Quite literally did 8 shows. I mean seriously, is that the Earth shattering news on why he quit?

Damien 25-09-2021 07:42
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094397)
The only fallout I see is him crying about technical difficulties it’s first two week. Quite literally did 8 shows. I mean seriously, is that the Earth shattering news on why he quit?
Well, he says he warned about technical problems before they started but on that, and many editorial decisions, he was ignored.

It also sounds like they really did want to go down the Sky News Australia route irrespective of the Ofcom and legal issues:

Quote:
‘One of the great ideas before I left was we do trial by television on the guilty men of Brexit – those who tried to stop it, like Lord Adonis and Nick Clegg.

‘I said: “Why do you want to do that? You won the referendum.” We’re out. But let me remind you that was the most miserable period of modern British politics. We should be looking forward to the 2020s. Another suggestion was that we should put secret cameras in classrooms to show how Left-wing the teachers were. I said: “That’s a really good idea but I think you should take charge of that yourself, and I promise you that after you get in hot water for breaking about five different laws – including filming minors – come back and talk to me.” ’
The whole interview simply has him portraying himself as a hapless victim of the whole affair though with little introspection on any mistakes he may have made. I still refuse to believe he didn't have input on staffing up and equipping the production side of the channel.

The whole organisation seems to have been ego-driven with on-air 'talent' failing to appreciate the skill and work that goes into making them look and sound good on air. They seemed to think they could fill the backroom with too few and inexperienced staff being lumbered with dodgy cheap equipment because it'll be fine because they are the real talent.

Mick 25-09-2021 08:53
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36094405)
Well, he says he warned about technical problems before they started but on that, and many editorial decisions, he was ignored.

It also sounds like they really did want to go down the Sky News Australia route irrespective of the Ofcom and legal issues:



The whole interview simply has him portraying himself as a hapless victim of the whole affair though with little introspection on any mistakes he may have made. I still refuse to believe he didn't have input on staffing up and equipping the production side of the channel.

The whole organisation seems to have been ego-driven with on-air 'talent' failing to appreciate the skill and work that goes into making them look and sound good on air. They seemed to think they could fill the backroom with too few and inexperienced staff being lumbered with dodgy cheap equipment because it'll be fine because they are the real talent.
If you were to believe every word of him. I think his ego was his downfall, he’s trying to make out GBNews can’t succeed without him. He’s been very disrespectful to the hires of Mark Dolan (Remainer btw) Patrick Christy and you’ve already got Dan Wootan, he proclaimed, referring them as “shock jocks”. All from talkRadio.

He lost me when he started complaining that he was offered £4 Million contract, after just 5 shows he’d decided he’d had enough, “his drivers”, he was “on a plane by 10pm sipping champagne”.

My heart friggin bleeds, not. Just awful, awful man of self importance.

Sephiroth 25-09-2021 09:38
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094406)
If you were to believe every word of him. I think his ego was his downfall, he’s trying to make out GBNews can’t succeed without him. He’s been very disrespectful to the hires of Mark Dolan (Remainer btw) Patrick Christy and you’ve already got Dan Wootan, he proclaimed, referring them as “shock jocks”. All from talkRadio.

He lost me when he started complaining that he was offered £4 Million contract, after just 5 shows he’d decided he’d had enough, “his drivers”, he was “on a plane by 10pm sipping champagne”.

My heart friggin bleeds, not. Just awful, awful man of self importance.
Yep.

1andrew1 25-09-2021 10:21
Re: GB News
 
I think Neil's in a bit of a strop because he wanted to end his career on a high, taking on the incumbent broadcasters again as he did so successfully with Sky.

As the champagne and driver quote amply demonstrated, Neil's now a fully paid-up member of the global elite. He won't want to be remembered for his career having a similar trajectory to Alan Partridge's minus the recent bounce-back!

Sephiroth 25-09-2021 11:46
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094438)
I think Neil's in a bit of a strop because he wanted to end his career on a high, taking on the incumbent broadcasters again as he did so successfully with Sky.

As the champagne and driver quote amply demonstrated, Neil's now a fully paid-up member of the global elite. He won't want to be remembered for his career having a similar trajectory to Alan Partridge's minus the recent bounce-back!
The neckless hunchback has already shot his bolt. I'm guessing, not wildly I think, that the broadcasters agree with me and Mick that he's obsessed with his own self-importance.

Mr K 25-09-2021 11:49
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094485)
The neckless hunchback has already shot his bolt. I'm guessing, not wildly I think, that the broadcasters agree with me and Mick that he's obsessed with his own self-importance.
Weird, you all loved him a few weeks ago...

Sephiroth 25-09-2021 11:54
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36094487)
Weird, you all loved him a few weeks ago...
Not me.

Mick 25-09-2021 12:02
Re: GB News
 
I respected him for his street cred on interviewing politicians and holding them to account. But his bitter departure has shown him for what he really is, a pompous, arrogant and selfish man, AN has thrown well established news journalists, McCoy, Stewart and Brazier under the bus.

Damien 25-09-2021 12:21
Re: GB News
 
He can be a pompous, arrogant and selfish man and still a good journalist though. ;)

Mick 25-09-2021 12:51
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36094498)
He can be a pompous, arrogant and selfish man and still a good journalist though. ;)
Yeah. He’s like Piers Morgan: cocky, arrogant, self righteous. But bloody good at holding people to account. Piers bit more shouty.

Mick 25-09-2021 12:52
Re: GB News
 
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Another meme doing the rounds.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1632570748

1andrew1 25-09-2021 14:24
Re: GB News
 
Morgan and Neil are both a pair of clever, right-of-centre, talented journalists and broadcasters. But both are snowflakes who are happy to dish it out but are less good at taking it. I guess that insecurity helps get you to the top.

Sephiroth 19-11-2021 17:02
Re: GB News
 

Farage has totally changed the attractiveness of GB News - at least between 19:00 and 20:00 Monday to Thursday.

My wife and I don't like to miss his show. His interview style is brilliant. He recently went to Brixham and interviewed the fisherman. He got a group of them to sing a sea shanty. BBC and others don't come anywhere near his interviewing talents, imo.

1andrew1 19-11-2021 17:31
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36101895)

Farage has totally changed the attractiveness of GB News - at least between 19:00 and 20:00 Monday to Thursday.

My wife and I don't like to miss his show. His interview style is brilliant. He recently went to Brixham and interviewed the fisherman. He got a group of them to sing a sea shanty. BBC and others don't come anywhere near his interviewing talents, imo.
He got into hot water with the British Legion recently for a GB News tweet which claimed he was working for them. They said he wasn't! A bit of virtue-signalling gone wrong!
https://twitter.com/PoppyLegion/stat...54433577881606

Sephiroth 19-11-2021 17:59
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36101900)
He got into hot water with the British Legion recently for a GB News tweet which claimed he was working for them. They said he wasn't! A bit of virtue-signalling gone wrong!
https://twitter.com/PoppyLegion/stat...54433577881606
He also made some interesting revelations about Azeem Rafiq that I won't repeat and haven't been published elsewhere.

Damien 19-11-2021 18:46
Re: GB News
 
Haven't seen it but it's hard to see how long GB News can carry on for. Talk TV is probably going to finish it off in the new year.

Interested to see if Neil goes back to the BBC or goes to Talk TV. I think he is going to try for the BBC first. It'll be awkward for them giving how vocal he was about leaving but he is an excellent political interviewer so it'll be good for him to return to do the Leaders Interviews before the next election.

Sephiroth 19-11-2021 18:51
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36101909)
Haven't seen it but it's hard to see how long GB News can carry on for. Talk TV is probably going to finish it off in the new year.

Interested to see if Neil goes back to the BBC or goes to Talk TV. I think he is going to try for the BBC first. It'll be awkward for them giving how vocal he was about leaving but he is an excellent political interviewer so it'll be good for him to return to do the Leaders Interviews before the next election.
The neckless hunchback may be salivating at the now vacant Andrew Marr slot.

jfman 19-11-2021 19:10
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36101910)
The neckless hunchback may be salivating at the now vacant Andrew Marr slot.
:D

Pierre 19-11-2021 20:26
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36101909)
Haven't seen it but it's hard to see how long GB News can carry on for. Talk TV is probably going to finish it off in the new year.

Interested to see if Neil goes back to the BBC or goes to Talk TV. I think he is going to try for the BBC first. It'll be awkward for them giving how vocal he was about leaving but he is an excellent political interviewer so it'll be good for him to return to do the Leaders Interviews before the next election.
Compared to sky news, an established station of over 30yrs, it’s not doing that badly.

Sephiroth 19-11-2021 22:30
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36101919)
Compared to sky news, an established station of over 30yrs, it’s not doing that badly.
Agreed. It carries both actual news plus an unconventional approach to news analysis. Not the disaster I once thought it to be.

Damien 19-11-2021 22:47
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36101919)
Compared to sky news, an established station of over 30yrs, it’s not doing that badly.
Sky News is a loss leader for Sky Television and still gets much better ratings. It's hard to get precise figures as after an inital bump when Farage came on they don't seem to register figures high enough to be measured in the first place. It seems in late September they were averaging 21,000 to Sky's 57,000.

GB News isn't going to be able to sustain itself and it's unclear who would underwrite them in the way Sky funds Sky News (because Sky makes money overall).

It's hard to see what can turn it around for them especially after Murdoch enters the market early next year.

Mick 20-11-2021 14:11
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36101900)
He got into hot water with the British Legion recently for a GB News tweet which claimed he was working for them. They said he wasn't! A bit of virtue-signalling gone wrong!
https://twitter.com/PoppyLegion/stat...54433577881606
If this is what you call hot water, then heaven forbid what it is like for you stepping out of your front door every day. :rolleyes:

Looks like a lefty idiot to me moaning to the RBL, because Farage, apparently "right wing", was doing a report on Remembrance Sunday, near a Poppy selling stall. Some people need to get a bloody grip.

jfman 20-11-2021 14:22
Re: GB News
 
If Farage will lie about something as trivial as that, what else would he lie to us about?

papa smurf 20-11-2021 14:36
Re: GB News
 
oooh look
Nigel Farage helps with Poppy collection for Royal British Legion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHS-pgg-zI

TheDaddy 20-11-2021 16:32
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36101910)
The neckless hunchback may be salivating at the now vacant Andrew Marr slot.
Whilst not wishing to influence the BBC's decision over who replaces Marr Bozo did helpfully request the new show be called "Kuenssberg on Sunday", he wants it to bare no relation to any new presenter, he just feels a longer title will help people wake up and be more alert for the show.

I see bozo is also denying he said he had 'buyers remorse" over his marriage to Carrie, bet the feeling is more than mutual!

---------- Post added at 16:32 ---------- Previous post was at 16:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36101961)
oooh look
Nigel Farage helps with Poppy collection for Royal British Legion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHS-pgg-zI
Whether they like it or not

Hugh 20-11-2021 16:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36101961)
oooh look
Nigel Farage helps with Poppy collection for Royal British Legion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHS-pgg-zI
ooo look, the RBL said he wasn’t acting on their behalf.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1637425987

Pierre 20-11-2021 20:13
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36101968)
ooo look, the RBL said he wasn’t acting on their behalf.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1637425987
He wasn’t exactly stealing the collection tins either though was he?

jfman 21-11-2021 00:01
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36101996)
He wasn’t exactly stealing the collection tins either though was he?
No, but he was trying to establish credibility for himself on the back of implying an endorsement that did not exist. Fraud by any other name.

As stated earlier if he will lie about that for his own ends - tarring the name of a long established and well meaning charity - what else would he lie about?

TheDaddy 21-11-2021 03:44
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36102011)
- what else would he lie about?
Leaving the country if brexit isn't a success...

Damien 21-11-2021 08:04
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36101996)
He wasn’t exactly stealing the collection tins either though was he?
It's not uncommon for some politicians to try and tie themselves in with the RBL and the RBL take a very dim view of it.

papa smurf 21-11-2021 08:16
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36102018)
It's not uncommon for some politicians to try and tie themselves in with the RBL and the RBL take a very dim view of it.

he's not a politician and where's the out cry about Charlie Mullins?

Mick 21-11-2021 08:52
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36102014)
Leaving the country if brexit isn't a success...
Let’s be truthful here, there’s plenty of pathetic Remainers out there doing their best to sabotage it, because of their psychopathic love of the corrupted EU.

Damien 21-11-2021 08:58
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36102019)
he's not a politician and where's the out cry about Charlie Mullins?
Well I don't know under what capacity he is there but that did seem a bit weird he got a free plug for this company out of it......

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36102020)
Let’s be truthful here, there’s plenty of pathetic Remainers out there doing their best to sabotage it, because of their psychopathic love of the corrupted EU.
It's a Leave-supporting Government in charge of all of this. It was Boris Johnson's deal as well.

1andrew1 21-11-2021 09:08
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36101996)
He wasn’t exactly stealing the collection tins either though was he?
The brand association is worth more than a few quid in the collection box any day of the week.

papa smurf 21-11-2021 09:11
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36102024)
The brand association is worth more than a few quid in the collection box any day of the week.
If they can do without Nigel's contribution they can do without mine.

BenMcr 21-11-2021 09:33
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36102025)
If they can do without Nigel's contribution they can do without mine.
Nigel's contribution by itself would have been accepted, as is anyone else's.

Nigel's use of their brand and reputation, and implication he had gone through their volunteer process to be able to help fundraise as their representative when he hadn't was the problem.

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If you want to be involved with any organisation, you have to follow their rules or you don't get to take part in their activities.

Mick 21-11-2021 18:15
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36102021)
Well I don't know under what capacity he is there but that did seem a bit weird he got a free plug for this company out of it......

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It's a Leave-supporting Government in charge of all of this. It was Boris Johnson's deal as well.
Government doesn’t control all the inner workings. But absolutely nothing to do with the EU punishing us for daring to leave their power hungry empire.

1andrew1 21-11-2021 18:55
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36102062)
Government doesn’t control all the inner workings. But absolutely nothing to do with the EU punishing us for daring to leave their power hungry empire.
I think Frosty criticised Brexit when he worked for the Scottish Whisky Association so you could have stumbled onto something here.

1andrew1 01-12-2021 23:19
Re: GB News
 
I'm afraid GB News has lost credibility in most people's eyes tonight. Donald Trump declared the election was rigged several times in his interview but he was not challenged by the interviewer, Nigel Farage.

How does this fit with:
Quote:
Our Editorial Charter
We stand for:
...
Holding our leaders, our society and ourselves accountable.
https://www.gbnews.uk/our-editorial-charter

Sephiroth 01-12-2021 23:28
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103843)
I'm afraid GB News has lost credibility in most people's eyes tonight. Donald Trump declared the election was rigged several times in his interview but he was not challenged by the interviewer, Nigel Farage.

How does this fit with:
https://www.gbnews.uk/our-editorial-charter
Oh please, Andrew.

Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.

So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.

How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?

Chris 01-12-2021 23:50
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36103846)
Oh please, Andrew.

Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.

So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.

How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?
I have observed that Andrew has a tendency to assume “most people” agree with whatever he thinks about something. His posts on here tend to suggest that anyway.

I doubt tonight’s interview will have had any impact on “most people” because most people didn’t see it. I doubt it changed the opinion of most people who did see it, because I suspect by now GB News’ audience is fairly self-selecting, notwithstanding the handful of lefties who seem to get a fetish-like kick out of getting triggered by it on a nightly basis.

All that said, your claim that Farage is producing objective journalism is absurd, as is your suggestion that for an interviewer to adopt a politically contrary position for the purposes of debate means they might as well be a member of the rival political party. Nigel Farage makes good TV because he’s opinionated, but he doesn’t make good political interviews when his views are fairly well aligned with the person he’s interviewing, because he isn’t a journalist and he lacks the skill to probe, challenge or extract new insight from his subject.

If David Frost had approached his interviews with Richard Nixon in the manner you seem to approve of, the series would have been nothing more than the soft historical footnote Nixon’s team had desperately hoped for, rather than something so significant, Nixon sympathisers continue to try to play it down to this day.

1andrew1 02-12-2021 00:08
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36103846)
Oh please, Andrew.

Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.

So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.

How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?
How on earth can it be objective journalism when an interviewee's lies are allowed to go unchallenged on multiple occasions? It was neither objective nor journalism by any stretch of the imagination.

I expect most people would want to see a politician called out when they repeat the same lie. I'm disappointed that your admiration of Farage might prevent you from wanting the same.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36103852)
I have observed that Andrew has a tendency to assume “most people” agree with whatever he thinks about something. His posts on here tend to suggest that anyway.
I don't think I've ever felt the need to state "most people" before so you're possibly confusing me with another poster.

But I think it's fair to assume that a politician repeating a lie on multiple occasions should be expected to be called out by an interviewer and most people would expect this to happen.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36103852)
All that said, your claim that Farage is producing objective journalism is absurd, as is your suggestion that for an interviewer to adopt a politically contrary position for the purposes of debate means they might as well be a member of the rival political party. Nigel Farage makes good TV because he’s opinionated, but he doesn’t make good political interviews when his views are fairly well aligned with the person he’s interviewing, because he isn’t a journalist and he lacks the skill to probe, challenge or extract new insight from his subject.

If David Frost had approached his interviews with Richard Nixon in the manner you seem to approve of, the series would have been nothing more than the soft historical footnote Nixon’s team had desperately hoped for, rather than something so significant, Nixon sympathisers continue to try to play it down to this day.
Agreed. Trump chose someone who would give him an easy ride and none easier than Farage. This interview would have been far better conducted by Andrew Neil.

Mick 02-12-2021 11:39
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I watched it and Farage did actually challenge Trump’s obsession with the 2020 election being rigged. He said continuing with this rhetoric, isn’t helpful because it turns off a sizeable selection of his own base of voters, that Trump should move forward and not keep looking backwards, Trump rebuffed him saying he should do both.

President Joe Biden’s approval ratings are dire, he won’t run again and he’s looking very old and frail every day. Now who to turn to for 2024 ticket, Cackling Harris?

This would be the joke of the century, her approval ratings are worse than his. Democrats are a pathetic party, everything always goes tits up when they get a sniff of power, Bay of Pigs, under President Kennedy, the economy tanking under President Carter, to President Clinton, being impeached for alleged sexual antics under a certain Resolute desk, and then lying about them. President Obama, setting a red line with Syria and then doing nothing when it’s crossed and now President Biden and Afghanistan withdrawal. All Democrat disasters. They’re a crap disorganised and disgraceful party.

Trump could become the 47th President of the United States in 2024, or he could remain a one term president, he’s not in power now, but even today, 11 months after leaving office, his legacies are still pissing off the left, big fight to be had with the Roe vs. Wade, abortion rights quite possibly being overturned soon.

1andrew1 02-12-2021 11:52
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36103908)
I watched it and Farage did actually challenge Trump’s obsession with the 2020 election being rigged. He said continuing with this rhetoric, isn’t helpful because it turns off a sizeable selection of his own base of voters, that Trump should move forward and not keep looking backwards, Trump rebuffed him saying he should do both.
Did Farage call him out and say that the election was not rigged? It sounds like he just told him to move on.

No idea who the next President will be. Not been an abundance of talent vying for the role for a long time.

Damien 02-12-2021 11:57
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36103908)
This would be the joke of the century, her approval ratings are worse than his. Democrats are a pathetic party, everything always goes tits up when they get a sniff of power, Bay of Pigs, under President Kennedy, the economy tanking under President Carter, to President Clinton, being impeached for alleged sexual antics under a certain Resolute desk, and then lying about them. President Obama, setting a red line with Syria and then doing nothing when it’s crossed and now President Biden and Afghanistan withdrawal. All Democrat disasters. They’re a crap disorganised and disgraceful party.
Iraq, Watergate?

Quote:
Trump could become the 47th President of the United States in 2024, or he could remain a one term president, he’s not in power now, but even today, 11 months after leaving office, his legacies are still pissing off the left, big fight to be had with the Roe vs. Wade, abortion rights quite possibly being overturned soon.
Revoking abortion rights is a much bigger thing than simply 'pissing off the left'. Tens of thousands of women will be denied legal abortions. You might like that Trump has done that or not but it should be for reasons other than 'pissing off the left'. It's not a game, these actions have consequences on peoples lives that extend far beyond peoples' feelings on Trump.

Mick 02-12-2021 12:31
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103913)
Did Farage call him out and say that the election was not rigged? It sounds like he just told him to move on.

No idea who the next President will be. Not been an abundance of talent vying for the role for a long time.
So Farage, challenged him to move on from the past. Trump’s mind is made, he feels cheated and so does most of his base. But as Farage pointed out, keep going on about voting irregularities, can actually put off the very people Trump needs for him to win. But he will always feel cheated, a bit like you Remainers felt cheated when you legitimately lost the EU Referendum and tried to overturn it by demanding another vote. :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36103921)
Iraq, Watergate?


Revoking abortion rights is a much bigger thing than simply 'pissing off the left'. Tens of thousands of women will be denied legal abortions. You might like that Trump has done that or not but it should be for reasons other than 'pissing off the left'. It's not a game, these actions have consequences on peoples lives that extend far beyond peoples' feelings on Trump.
I’m prolife, and I don’t see anything wrong with this. Abortion, killing an innocent life, being able to abort a fetus, right up to baby being born, is plain wrong, because it’s unwanted, is pure evil. Having an abortion for a medical reason, something is wrong with the fetus or the mothers own health, I can accept.

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To add, if Roe falls in the U.S Supreme Court, it doesn’t automatically mean abortion rights are revoked in the U.S. It will just fall back to pre-Roe days of each State deciding it’s own abortion rights and laws. Lots of women getting eat up about losing their rights if Roe falls, they won’t.

1andrew1 02-12-2021 13:17
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36103921)
Iraq, Watergate?
If Blair's accused of being a war criminal, the same can equally be said of George W Bush. He shouldn't be excused because he's in the Republican Party. But I'm in danger of being off topic, apologies.

Mick 02-12-2021 14:12
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103951)
If Blair's accused of being a war criminal, the same can equally be said of George W Bush. He shouldn't be excused because he's in the Republican Party. But I'm in danger of going off topic, apologies.
Just because I am a Conservative and would, if I lived in America always vote Republican, doesn't mean everything the 43rd President of the U.S did was right, just because he was a Republican president, this is a fanciful suggestion. The Iraq war was wrong, has been proven to be wrong and I don't rate either of the Bush's presidencies that highly.

Blackshep 02-12-2021 19:29
Re: GB News
 
I might have to have a look at this GB news seems to fuel a lot of discussion.

Sephiroth 02-12-2021 21:52
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackshep (Post 36104057)
I might have to have a look at this GB news seems to fuel a lot of discussion.
Monday through Thursday - 19:00 to 20:00.

Blackshep 02-12-2021 23:08
Re: GB News
 
Thank you I'll have a watch when I get time.

Stuart 03-12-2021 17:11
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36103846)
Oh please, Andrew.

Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.

So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.

How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?
A good political interviewer would challenge any politicians claims, even if just to point out they are disputed. That's his job. Before you say it isn't, he was interviewing a politician on a channel that proudly tells everyone it is a news channel.

Political interviewers have to be tougher on their interviewees than celebrity interviewers because the things a politician says *may* have an impact on a lot of people, and whether Trump was lying or not, most politicians will lie given a fraction of a chance to do so.

A good interviewer needs to try and find the truth in an interviewee's answers. That does include challenging what the interviewee says. The trouble with Trump is that (and he has this in common with a lot of right wingers) as soon as you disagree with him, you are wrong and fake news.

So, while I didn't see the interview, I'd argue that while it may or may not have been a gripping 2 hours, it does not sound like what I would consider a good interview.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094406)
If you were to believe every word of him. I think his ego was his downfall, he’s trying to make out GBNews can’t succeed without him. He’s been very disrespectful to the hires of Mark Dolan (Remainer btw) Patrick Christy and you’ve already got Dan Wootan, he proclaimed, referring them as “shock jocks”. All from talkRadio.

He lost me when he started complaining that he was offered £4 Million contract, after just 5 shows he’d decided he’d had enough, “his drivers”, he was “on a plane by 10pm sipping champagne”.

My heart friggin bleeds, not. Just awful, awful man of self importance.
The big stars (of which Neil appears to consider himself one) attract big salaries because they are expected to attract a lot of viewers. I remember the Producer of Superman: The Movie defending Marlon Brando being paid millions for essentially 2 weeks work because they thought he would bring in a lot of viewers (and he did).

The problem is, Brando had already worked on several blockbusters, and it could be argued he did bring in a lot of ticket sales. Neil has a couple of mildly successful TV and Radio shows, and a career as an editor (with seemingly a lifetime pass to be pictured in Private Eye) and a few appearances on other TV shows. This probably gave him a massive ego. Entirely unjustified, IMO.

Sephiroth 03-12-2021 17:13
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36104189)
A good political interviewer would challenge any politicians claims, even if just to point out they are disputed. That's his job. Before you say it isn't, he was interviewing a politician on a channel that proudly tells everyone it is a news channel.

Political interviewers have to be tougher on their interviewees than celebrity interviewers because the things a politician says *may* have an impact on a lot of people, and whether Trump was lying or not, most politicians will lie given a fraction of a chance to do so.

A good interviewer needs to try and find the truth in an interviewee's answers. That does include challenging what the interviewee says. The trouble with Trump is that (and he has this in common with a lot of right wingers) as soon as you disagree with him, you are wrong and fake news.

So, while I didn't see the interview, I'd argue that while it may or may not have been a gripping 2 hours, it does not sound like what I would consider a good interview.
It would have properly informed your opinion if you had been able to view the interview.

I think Farage is an excellent journalist. I don't watch much GB News, but I do watch him.

pip08456 03-12-2021 18:00
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36104189)
A good political interviewer would challenge any politicians claims, even if just to point out they are disputed. That's his job. Before you say it isn't, he was interviewing a politician on a channel that proudly tells everyone it is a news channel.

Political interviewers have to be tougher on their interviewees than celebrity interviewers because the things a politician says *may* have an impact on a lot of people, and whether Trump was lying or not, most politicians will lie given a fraction of a chance to do so.

A good interviewer needs to try and find the truth in an interviewee's answers. That does include challenging what the interviewee says. The trouble with Trump is that (and he has this in common with a lot of right wingers) as soon as you disagree with him, you are wrong and fake news.

So, while I didn't see the interview, I'd argue that while it may or may not have been a gripping 2 hours, it does not sound like what I would consider a good interview.

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Farage is not a political interviewer, nor was it billed as such.

Mr K 03-12-2021 19:39
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36104084)
Monday through Thursday - 19:00 to 20:00.
But that would clash with the excellent C4 news?:D

Sephiroth 03-12-2021 20:12
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36104209)
But that would clash with the excellent C4 news?:D


But that would clash with the leftie Remainer C4 news.

Plus there's always C4+1.

Mr K 03-12-2021 20:22
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36104220)


But that would clash with the leftie Remainer C4 news.

Plus there's always C4+1.
So your choice is the ' unbalanced' Farage. Entertaining possibly, objective inquiring journalist, no....
Surprised he's not doing panto this year. He'd make a great dame :)

Mad Max 04-12-2021 00:53
Re: GB News
 
Better than "Captain Hindsight" and his historical views of a so-called Xmas party.

Hugh 04-12-2021 10:37
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104252)
Better than "Captain Hindsight" and his historical views of a so-called Xmas party.
Which followed all the COVID rules

papa smurf 04-12-2021 10:40
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104286)
Which followed all the COVID rules
The same rules matt Hancock followed.

Hugh 04-12-2021 10:41
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36104287)
The same rules matt Hancock followed.
Exactly…

1andrew1 09-04-2022 00:18
Re: GB News
 
He's got a point!
Quote:
Sam McBride GB News will tomorrow broadcast a cosy interview with Boris Johnson. The interviewers? None other than two Conservative MPs - Philip Davies & Esther McVey. A PM being interviewed on a supposed news channel by MPs from the governing party is not journalism; it's propaganda.
https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/statu...36054367817732

Damien 09-04-2022 07:26
Re: GB News
 
Mr Prime Minister, your Premiership has been a huge success! Why are you so popular?

1andrew1 09-04-2022 08:40
Re: GB News
 
More fawning than Richmond Park in June!

Carth 09-04-2022 09:04
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36118583)
More fawning than Richmond Park in June!
You seem surprised Andrew.

I had you down as someone who thinks GB news isn't the place to go for honest factual unbiased news . . . so you probably just watch it so you can have a dig at it.

Mary Whitehouse did that sort of stuff better :D

1andrew1 09-04-2022 09:16
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36118587)
You seem surprised Andrew.

I had you down as someone who thinks GB news isn't the place to go for honest factual unbiased news . . . so you probably just watch it so you can have a dig at it.

Mary Whitehouse did that sort of stuff better :D
This must be one of the lowest points in the Channel's life. It shows the weakness of the Channel in that they ca n only get the PM on if he is interviewed by his own MPs!
A channel with any balls would insist on one of their journalists interviewing him.
This is more Brass Eye than Brass Eye itself! :)

papa smurf 09-04-2022 09:41
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36118590)
This must be one of the lowest points in the Channel's life. It shows the weakness of the Channel in that they ca n only get the PM on if he is interviewed by his own MPs!
A channel with any balls would insist on one of their journalists interviewing him.
This is more Brass Eye than Brass Eye itself! :)
Which parts of the interview are you most upset about, just asking for those who haven't seen it yet.

Sephiroth 09-04-2022 09:45
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36118590)
This must be one of the lowest points in the Channel's life. It shows the weakness of the Channel in that they ca n only get the PM on if he is interviewed by his own MPs!
A channel with any balls would insist on one of their journalists interviewing him.
This is more Brass Eye than Brass Eye itself! :)

You’ve gone a bit overboard there, Andrew. If you are going to be right, it would have been best to await the broadcast and see what actually happens. McVey doesn’t pull her punches.

To me, GB News has improved to the extent that it serves my Conservative outlook. Sadly, I’m the true Conservative where the Guvmin largely isn’t.


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