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The problem now seems to be that we are arguing about statues and not about actually addressing the ways to deal with racial discrimination here and in THIS time.

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Protesters demand removal of Mahatma Gandhi statue in England.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/protes...ue-in-england/

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one piece of irony.


Some of these's protesters are wearing clothing made in sweat shops in modern day slavery.

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This is the problem with the internet.Everything eventually ends up at whataboutism.:rolleyes:

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The argument has been deliberately unmoored from reality. The UK police is not the US police and have little in way of similarity so they are suddenly under unfair scrutiny. People generally do protest about police brutality but nobody really cares about the statues of 18th century philanthropists except critical race theorists who want to undo the enlightenment.

In the US the officer has been charged with second degree murder and the other police with accessory to murder. Any realistic reform would certainly be taken seriously (such as perhaps mandatory body cameras) however they are just arguing about abolishing the police all together which is naturally provocative to anyone who isn't an anarchist.

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Give it another week or so, and it will have all moved on. Premier League starts next weekend.

Nobody is really bothered about Corona Virus anymore, the Dominic Cummings malarkey has been completely overtaken by events to inconsequential now. At piers Morgan has shut up about that finally.

The BLM protests have just shown themselves to be people that wanted have a good old scrap and break a few things, not actually change anything.

A couple of more weeks and with lock down over they can get back to knifing each other, I doubt there’ll be any protests when that all starts again.

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The poison that is English nationalism won't go away though, it'll just manifest itself in another way until England solves it's identity crisis. It's jealousy at other cultures taking pride in their own identity remains unresolved.

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I get the feeling you don't like the English.

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I like English people. However English nationalism on parade yesterday is utter poison. A mix of bile and hatred that I'm sure most reasonable people would consider appalling.

The thing is it's not 'for' anything, it doesn't convey a positive image of the English or British identity. Other than it resists others right to their identity - but that's reflective of the national psyche being grounded in centuries of oppressing and exploiting other identities and culture across the globe.

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Have you seen the Scotts when they go tribal,not exactly loved up are they.

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Tends to be due to a clash between British and Irish culture though when they do. :)

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Obviously it'll be someone else's fault.

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I don't understand... Most scenes in Scotland similar to those seen yesterday in London (Nazi salutes, etc) tend to be football related. One set of particularly confused individuals like the Nazi salute/Israel flag combo to be really out there...

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bit of National pride there then.
Yesterday's mob were just rent a mob footy hooligans,we had the same crap here in cleethorpes all singing football songs and nazi saluting the police,it was just like a normal match day for most of them without the footy.

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/06/3.jpg

I wonder how Prince William feels..........:erm:

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Thugs pelt missiles as hundreds gather to 'protect' Sir Robert Peel statue under threat
HUNDREDS of people gathered to protect the statue of former prime minister and Metropolitan Police founder Sir Robert Peel in Scotland

Police - with their batons drawn - were forced to form a line across the street after missiles were launched between the two groups of demonstrators.

Police were able to stop the two groups from clashing with those looking to see the statue removed were forced back up North Hanover Street.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...cotland-latest


Elsewhere in Scotland, the words "racist king BLM" were sprayed in white paint on the plinth of the Robert the Bruce statue at the Battle of Bannockburn site in Stirling.

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Rangers fans go out looking for a fight might be a more credible headline. It’s been a sore 9 years after all.

Again a sad group of people with no positive cultural identity to share with the rest of the world.

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It seems the “English” are not allowed to have an identity. Personally, I am comfortable in my white, straight, male identity. I’ve never racially abused anyone, or sexually abused or harassed anyone. I’ve always tried to be a nice person, not always managed it.

If I have “white privilege” so be it, it’s an accident of birth, I won’t apologise for it.

There is enough legislation in this country to ensure everybody is treated fairly by the law.

So I will get on with my life.

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Of course England is allowed to have an identity. My point is that it doesn’t have one - which leads to thugs embracing it and acting against anyone trying to develop their own positive one for themselves based on their own backgrounds. Be that the BAME communities, Scots, Irish, Welsh.

The notion of English identity got lost to a British one. Then the Empire crumbled. Creating a fragile national psyche threatened by seemingly anything innocuous.

I’d love England to develop a positive, outgoing, welcoming cultural identity for itself that it’s proud of. That gives it the confidence to not be threatened by others. And one that respectable people took ownership of, not absolute thugs.

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Good luck with opening an English Cultural centre.:rolleyes: Never be allowed. Every other sort is allowed and often gets public funding. The English have been described as a mongrel race. You can't get that way unless you are NOT racist. By definition, it is those that are "racially pure" that are racist.
BBC2 9:50pm


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So in all the instances portrayed in films and TV dramas, it's never a response that is returned to a Nazi?

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Apparently short hair and being ex-military makes you an instant racist in the eyes of socialists (especially corbynistas) and anti-establishment types.

And if you post videos from African Americans (or "blacks" as they now wish to be known) who are slagging-off antifa and BLM, THEY are racist and so are you for posting them.

And discussing the many murders of white farmers by black gangs with machetes in South Africa (it still goes on) then you are "missing the point" as it's not black people in constant danger.

Neither is State racism in Malaysia against those of Chinese or Indian descent is "not something we should care about".

And 500 years of slavery and murder by Turks of white eastern Europeans is "ancient history".

These white Europeans people need to read a bit and stop flocking together to rant about white Europeans being the only racists on Earth.

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You may wish to move your goalposts a little more subtly... ;)

From to is one helluva shift; who were the far-right thugs around the Cenotaph yesterday responding to - the statues, if the police?*

Well done for trying, though... ;)

*I must have missed the police giving Nazi salutes.

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And what would those contain if you did that aren't already part of most British historical and societal institutions?

That's a serious question by the way.

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What else would be the point of giving a nazi salute, other than to say, "you(ie the others) are bunch of nazis". Do other protesters never, ever, proclaim in one way or another that the other side is a X?



My point is that the person returning a salute of any kind, isn't necessarily supporting it.

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Who are they returning it to???

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What on earth is that logic?

In the current world the only people that use it are doing so to signal their own affiliation. In historical context is was imposed by the Nazis on those they ruled.

There is a reason it's illegal in German and Austria and can be illegal in the UK.

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Completely irrelevant, of course. If anything there is potentially too much to choose from, but how much would be allowed nowadays? Then again what is in the others, that isn't inherently racist, and is from a foreign country, and relatively recent.

Centres are allowed and promoted for every other group. That is where those other groups congregate and close themselves off(and possibly get COVID-19). They are only interested in their community, and not the community.

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Most centres you are referring to are usually for those that have come to the UK and allows them to meet others from similar backgrounds and stay connected. They rarely are closing themselves off, but are sharing a background that others have not experienced.

The same can be true for other societal clubs like political affiliation clubs e.g. Conservative clubs or Labour clubs. It's also true of things like the Bullingdon club or many of the private members clubs in London and elsewhere.

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Any "affiliation" to a side is indicated by presence.:rolleyes:
You can be(and people have) extradited to Germany or Austria for giving an opinion, yet when other countries want to extradite for more serious crimes(eg China/Hong Kong, Roman Polanksi), it's nothing doing.



So, do other protesters, NEVER, EVER, proclaim in one way or another that the other side is a X?

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That's more to do with appropriate extradition agreements than anything we're talking about here.
Find me an example where ANYONE protesting against Nazis or neo-Nazis have used any symbols of those groups to proclaim that they are Nazis

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Why not join the community centres for THE community, rather than create one just for THEIR community. By definition, they are the racists.


Did you see the Darcus Howe documentary a while back, "Who you calling a ..."? Full of non-white people disparaging other non-white people, eg Afro-Caribbeans slagging off Somalis. When white people complain about the SAME thing, they are called racist.:confused:


Why should there be an "Asian Cricket Club of the Year"(2019 winner Mount Cricket Club in Batley, West Yorkshire, members mostly Muslim) in the UK? Countless other examples where participation is racially based.

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I am English and I have an identity. I mean I consider it more British since I think that's the culture I grew up in, the nation's various cultures mix is so strong that I don't think of anything as especially English rather than British.

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I used the term "X", meaning "X" could represent a variety of things. Are you saying nobody held up a banner saying that the police are "X"?

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Most do where they exist as far as I'm aware. You can part of THE community whilst also being connected to YOUR community and history. Unsurprisingly it happens in many different countries:
https://www.expatica.com/es/living/i...groups-105841/
It's called racism then too, so there is no excuse. For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa
Why shouldn't there be? As I said before, you can be part of your community whilst still being able to have links to your own background and history.Using the Nazi salute and using words are not the same thing and cannot be equated. What you said was:
So when has ANYONE use a Nazi salute other than to indicate they themselves are Nazis or sympathise with that cause.

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I think you'll have to forgive Nomadking. Linked up thinking is hard sometimes.

The violence yesterday was down to right wing bored football fans with nothing better to do, any excuse will do for them. Whereas the BLM protests have been over whelmingly peaceful.

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Maybe they’re giving a Nazi salute because they’re Nazis, and they weren’t returning it to anyone - you’re not just grasping at straws here, you have a whole bale in your possession.

(Occam’s razor and all that...).

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Good grief, can we move on from Nazi salutes, its getting way off topic now.

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From experience in other countries - ex-pat Brits (usually English) form communities to isolate themselves from the locals and make a little England in the sun.

Other communities from centres to help people integrate as well as keeping some of their culture going and they usually welcome the wider community in to share that culture and build bridges and understanding. (Yes sometimes these can become little ghettos too.)

As a Christian I view all people as equally valuable and loved by God so should be loved by me also. Some are easier to love than others. And I'm not saying that we simply accept "bad" behaviour, we should speak up for those who are oppressed or being attacked.

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I saw the colonial viewpoint as a child in Nigeria..Luckily it wasn't my parent's viewpoint and I had far more fun with my little Nigerian friends than I ever did with my white peers.

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This post summarises perfectly the current situation. The right are deliberately playing the emotive patriotism card:

There is no mainstream campaign to remove Churchill's statue as far as I know. What this aims to do is to divert and water down any real discussion about racism in this country. The BLM inspired marches are not about tearing down statues, they are about the recognition of the real racism that black & asian people face in today's Britain. The fact that the Leave campaign, aided and abetted by the right wing MSM, played on these latent racist traits just adds to the problem.

Of course the Left never learn. While it was appropriate given the futile polite requests to remove the Colston statue over the years, that the statue was pulled down, it should have stopped there. Instead, the small in number militant Left chose to encourage a simplistic and childish approach to criticise any statue that had a link to slavery in the past. This naive thinking just plays into the hands of the right and allows them to misdirect anger & concern and escape the serious conversation they should be engaged in.

At the end of the day, statues are there to celebrate the life & achievements of the individual. If, in a modern context, that person has very little cause to be celebrated and moreover, is a visceral reminder of past evil deeds then there is a good case for it to be consigned to a museum.

Taking down a statue is not "whitewashing history". Many great men & women of history often have a dark side. This should be taken into consideration when put alongside the good. The judgement is, more often that not, nuanced and not the simplistic sloganing that the militant Left employ.

Take Churchill for example, he was, in his younger years a racist as were many of his peers. He was culpable in contributing to the causes of the Famine in Bengal in WWII. How much personal liability he had is very much debated by historians but he was involved. That said, you need to research and understand the history of the person and the period they lived in before you can make a serious judgment. Something the militant Left are incapable of doing it seems.

Going back to Colston, this quote from a letter to a newspaper sums up why his statue needed to be removed:

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Mainstream is a matter of opinion I guess, google 'Topple the Racists'

Of course its not appropriate, its mob rule and vandalism.
You cant just go destoying statues you dont agree with becasue someone else disagrees with you or refuses.

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Maybe your definition of mainstream is different to mine. I don't Google an overloaded phrase to form my opinions.

There have been many events over the course of history when "breaking the law" has proved, in hindsight, to be validated. I suspect this will prove to be one of them. This article is interesting and can provide the context behind the removal:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/b...edward-4211771

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As yea sow, so shall yea reap.

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If we take a closer look at the previous owners of some of our historic paper publications I'm pretty sure we would find some very dubious outlooks and opinions that are seen as being offensive in the modern age.

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None of the people employed by the Guardian today expressed those opinions, and its owners are The Scott Trust which is named after the editor and owner who took the paper national and liberal over 100 years ago.

You can go back within living memory for plenty of other papers in the UK for some very abhorrent views and attitudes. There is a reason no-one in Liverpool buys The Sun to this day.

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I quite agree. The Guardian thing is another desperate attempt to divert discussion. You will find the House of Lords is stuffed with Peers who made their family wealth from dubious means e.g. slavery, etc. If you follow the Sun's logic, we need to go after them as well :)

It is not what the Guardian said 150 years ago, it is what is says today that matters. In contrast, Colston is the same vile human being today as he was all those years ago.

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:tu: Indeed. They tried giving it away once and that didn't go very well.

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He's dead and turned to dust.

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Just before the (supposed right wing) guy ended up on the floor, but was then picked up and carried to safety by a member of blm in London..

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As slavery was abolished in 1833, there are no peers who have 'made' their money through slavery. They are old, yes, but not that old! :rofl:

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That is under the assumption that each generation of Peers starts of afresh, not using the money from the generations before...

<narrator>"that doesn't happen"

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Wow, you're two faced logic is just unbelieveable.
The founder of the Guardian is also the same human being he was back then.
By following your logic, either the statue should have been left alone, or the Guardian closed.

Btw, the "vile" human being also did a lot of good on his death.

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In which case, they've inherited it, not made it.

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And that's why the statue is there. It's nowt to do with slavery.

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And used the inheritance to create more wealth - without the starting point, they would not have the wealth they now earn.


Not far from me - Harewood House

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On the other hand that was with money largely made from slavery. You shouldn't get to be remembered as a good person because some of the money you used by transporting, selling and killing human beings is given to charity. His company used to brand slaves with a hot iron so that they were clearly 'theirs' and thousands of them died in transportation. The statue effectively ignores that because the money went to Bristol.

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When are we going to destroy all the statues and memorials of Egyptian Pharoahs ?

I’m marching on the Sphinx tomorrow to burn it down.

How much do they earn each year in tourism dollars ofF the back Of the slaves that built the pyramids.......( it was aliens actually but ssh)

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The fact remains that he did what he did, and a lot of people have benefited from it. The statue was not erected to celebrate his evil deeds, nor were schools and streets so named. I would venture that very few people with statues have zero skeletons in their closet. History is what it is.

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There are, I believe, reports (or theories) that slaves were not in fact used to build it or the pyramids, either way, good luck burning down solid stone, it will take some doing.

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Oh dear ..

So, I see .. it is ok to traffic in human cargo, killing many, as long as you make lots of money and give some of it away. Got it ..

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It is clear OB knew that .. he was just making mischief :)

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Closer to home what about the rubble strewn across Salisbury Plain.

They should demolish it and use the gravel to build the badly needed by-pass.

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It wasn't erected to celebrate his evil deeds but the good deeds he did do were funded by that slavery.

I think that's different to someone who's good deeds are unconnected to why there are honoured. George Washington owned slaves, but the Washington Monument exists to honour him as a Founding Father, Leader of the Patriot Army and the first US President.

So that's where I think a key difference lies, especially since all historical figures will likely be tainted by the period of the history they lived in. The question we should ask is what did they do and did the good outweigh the bad? Churchill? Absolutely yes, the good outweighs the bad.

Does Colston's charity outweigh slavery? I don't think so.

But going back to what I said many pages ago, and to reference Pierre's point about the pyramids, maybe the better thing to do is put new information up saying where the money that built those buildings in Bristol came from.

This is who Colston is, this is what he did with the money and this is where that money came from kind of a thing.

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Yes, some links here:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...6091E720100110
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4...laves%E2%80%99

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The pyramids are a bad example but there are others that can be used across history. Romans, Ottermans, mongolian structures.

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So he inherited the wealth, that's not his fault. You can't pin the slavery on him. We are not responsible for the sins of our forefathers, and life goes on.

I feel the movement has been hijacked by these violent protesters. It's about police violence against black people in the US, not freaking statues. :no:

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If one could make money from self righteous indignation there would be a couple of millionaires on these pages;)

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Can I borrow some money? ;)

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Err .. what would they bypassing if they demolished it?

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You must be rich beyond the dreams of avarice:rolleyes:

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Totally agree - all this fuss over one statue...

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That’s not what the U.K. BLM movement’s about, no matter how many times you say it...

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How many people in the movement have degrees in "communications"?

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I'm a bit worried about the jolly Fisherman statue at skeggy:)

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The original post was tongue in cheek, anyway.

[off topic]Any one that claims to know how or why the pyramids were built is talking out their backside. We don't know why or how they were built and probably never will[/off topic]

now back to the BLM nonsense.

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What about John Newton who was a slaver then became a Christian, was convicted of that trade and changed? He penned the hymn Amazing Grace, do we rip that out of the hymnal because it likely wouldn't have been written without his experience as a slaver?

Some of these slavers and owners of slaves made their wealth that way and then changed and left wealth to charities not as "penance" (can't buy you way into heaven) but to demonstrate that change or even just to benefit the community.

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Somebody get the ouija Board out so we can help this lady.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFNhFFSd1rw

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https://www.indy100.com/article/fion...racist-9568041

Another loony lefty.Give it a rest.

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Admittedly I've not read much of this thread but here's something that often vexes me. To the best of my knowledge I've not displayed racial attitudes to anyone. True, the Indian woman I was with for 10 years, I cannot stand the very fabric of her being but that's for a number of reasons, none of which are anywhere connected to her race. In fact we have a mixed race son together but that's all going off the point I'm making.

This could be down to my own perception, I accept that's a possibility but recently it has felt as if I (and other whites) ought to feel some sort of shame or embarrassment etc due to the racist attitudes and actions of some of my forefathers who may (or may not, I don't know much about them) have been racist, kept slaves etc. All of which would be abhorrent behaviour but is not something I feel I ought to apologise for, or display shame etc.

It wasn't me, and had I been around in those days I cannot imagine myself treating another human so disgustingly purely based on their race.

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A point I made earlier in the thread and also my position on the matter.

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My support is for the US BLM. The British version was meant to be about discrimination by British police.

The statue wreckers are the anarchists who are just looking for aggro.

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I agree, Russ. I think people are running out of ideas on what to protest about! It's all getting rather tiresome.

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It isn't about feeling personal shame but rather a recognition it happened. The main argument activists have isn't that white people should feel guilty but to have a greater understanding that it happened, that is was really bad and that consequences of racism linger.

Even over this statue debate there is a lot of 'he did some good things, he did some bad things' but that seems to underplay just how bad those things where. It does still seem like we're resistant to properly confront that part of British history, handwaving it away.

You probably would. As I probably would. As most people would have and did. You are conditioned by the society that you grew up in. Few people are ever actively railing against what is considered normal at any one time in history. Even in the last 100-150 years there was a time when it was only a small minority who argued women should have the vote, or that homosexuality should be legal and within our lifetime it was a majority opinion that gay marriage should be illegal.

The interesting thing with that thought is what do we consider acceptable now that we won't in 50, 100, 200 years?

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Are you honestly saying that people didn't know there was slavery all those years ago? I certainly did, and I dare say you did, too. It is no secret, it is in the past, and it has not directly affected any living person.

The big thing now that we should be concentrating on is ironing out the inequalities, which 50 years on from the Race Discrimination Act, still persist today.

The concentration on slavery and choice of words people use are little more than devices to change the subject. There is no excuse for treating black people differently for no good reason and people need to learn that. However, given the attitude of some people towards race equality legislation ("Why are they getting more privileges than me?") and Black Lives Matter ("All lives matter"), perhaps we need to ditch existing legislation for all groups and simply have equality legislation that applies to everyone. People might get it then.

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The US have supposedly had that since 1964 - not sure it's really worked out that way though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

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I think that people being more interested in getting angry about statues rather than the wider issue of racism itself sort of validates the whole debate.

From my point of view, the damage to Colston statue was, on balance, merited. The others are not ..

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Whereas I see what you're trying to say, I much prefer to be judged/assessed on what I did rather than what I might or probably have done.

For example, we have met and I considered you to be a top lad. But you're an English football fan, should I have assumed you'd have been a knuckle-dragging hooligan? Of course not.

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It's not a judgement on you though, it's a judgement on what society was like then.

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The single carriageway A303 there. :)

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I am really surprised she has not complained about the PG Tips adverts.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5em8lQAcvg

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So anyone got any definite suggestions on how we address the issue of racism here and now..apart from removing statues because I think we need to do far more to address the issue.

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A meteor strike might do it, as long as nobody survives.

Anything less drastic than that won't work

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Just be nice to each other,it's not that hard to be inofensive,it's all down to the individual,laws won't work neither will marches /vandalism and kneeling ,it's all down to what's inside people love or hate, nurture the love or live a twisted life hating anyone different from you :shrug:

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Its also about educating people in a wider context about our history and not airbrushing parts out of it which are deeply inconvenient.

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It'll only get worse because people just to woke and get too offended by the smallest of things that suit any agenda.

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:Yes:

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Yes, we should just do nothing, Or, how about we could revert back to 18th, 19th or even early 20th century practices? That would solve the issues.


Seriously, go and give your heard a shake.

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Can't quite see what your reply has to do with my comment.

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Attempting to say that it will be the fault of people who are in your words 'to woke' if the situation deteriorates is a ridiculous statement.

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It is a huge over reaction.

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Potentially, but only in response to an idiotic statement.

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There you go again,you should try counting slowly to 100 before replying;)

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Nothing over the top at all.

The current issue's aren't being caused by people being 'to woke' nor would a further deterioration be able to to be attributed to being 'to woke' either.

There's currently a refusal to listen or hear (to some degree, from all 'sides') which is impacting and will continue to impact the change that needs to be made.

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Nothing idiotic about a statement that suggests there will always be certain people who complain and feel aggrieved at a 'percieved' injustice . . often something so inconsequential that it goes unnoticed apart from those actively looking for such occurences.

If some people have a mindset that they're always picked on, then that's how they will go through life . . . dragging similar minded folk along with them.


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Apart from the fact the situation isn't 'perceived'

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Read the posts again, you're proving a point :p: