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denphone 25-05-2020 14:25

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36036846)
That's unusual for someone who is not an MP member of the cabinet or even member of the conservative party.

Its very unusual l would say.

Actually there is this document regarding Special Advisors and their code of conduct.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...l_Advisers.pdf

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Point 14 states:

Special advisers must not take public part in political controversy, through any form of statement whether in speeches or letters to the press, or in books, social media, articles or leaflets.

They must observe discretion and express comment with moderation, avoiding personal attacks, and would not normally speak in public for their Minister or the Department.

GrimUpNorth 25-05-2020 14:28

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I wonder how many of the thousands of people fined for breaking lockdown rules will be seeking advice to see if this now means they can challenge their fixed penalty notice? Has 'doing what I thought is best' now become a legitimate defence? I remember when my old dad (God rest his sole) got a speeding ticket from a camera on the A1 because he thought it was best that he broke the speed limit a bit to get to the next services before he pissed himself :rolleyes:

ianch99 25-05-2020 15:10

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036838)
Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

He broke the rules. Sorry, he broke his rules. These are here for reference (published 12 March 2020).

He and you have a strange definition of "safeguarding": putting your child in a metal box for 4 hours with someone who has a deadly disease, for most people, does not make the grade.

The other bizarre thing here is that Cummings has the resources of the Government at his disposal. He could have asked for childcare to be arranged and it would have been done instantly. In fact, the mother of the child in question has a sister living 2 streets away apparently.

You are seemingly so angry not because he is innocent but, exactly as you reveal, he is the High Priest of Brexit ..

Damien 25-05-2020 15:13

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I've heard a rumour which I shall not repeat about personal circumstances that might make people more sympathetic although it would still raise the same questions.

1andrew1 25-05-2020 15:19

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036838)
I do not give a shit if was 100 Tory MPs.

Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

What! Are you kidding? Back on 12th April, you were not permitted to take 60-mile round trips for sightseeing or exercise.
And putting a child in a car with two infected adults at the end of March for five hours? Seriously? That's not in the child's interests. And, as a QC and the media have pointed out, that particular trip broke the rules and law.
I'm really hoping that Cummings is honourable enough to do the decent thing today or pulls a great explanation out of the bag. The latter is my preference.

papa smurf 25-05-2020 15:30

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36036852)
He broke the rules. Sorry, he broke his rules. These are here for reference (published 12 March 2020).

He and you have a strange definition of "safeguarding": putting your child in a metal box for 4 hours with someone who has a deadly disease, for most people, does not make the grade.

The other bizarre thing here is that Cummings has the resources of the Government at his disposal. He could have asked for childcare to be arranged and it would have been done instantly. In fact, the mother of the child in question has a sister living 2 streets away apparently.

You are seemingly so angry not because he is innocent but, exactly as you reveal, he is the High Priest of Brexit ..

Are you a daily mail reader ?

OLD BOY 25-05-2020 15:43

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036822)
Where was the message “where possible?”. It said if you had symptoms you stay at your main resident - not second homes or alternate accommodation.

I’d absolutely love a Cabinet Minister to get on telly and push these lines. They would increasingly look to be acting in bad faith, at a time they need public trust.

The regulations state:

You should stay at home as much as possible. The reasons you may leave home include:

for work, where you cannot work from homegoing to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine, to exercise or spend time outdoors, any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid injury or illness, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.

Mick 25-05-2020 15:50

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36036852)
He broke the rules. Sorry, he broke his rules. These are here for reference (published 12 March 2020).

He and you have a strange definition of "safeguarding": putting your child in a metal box for 4 hours with someone who has a deadly disease, for most people, does not make the grade.

The other bizarre thing here is that Cummings has the resources of the Government at his disposal. He could have asked for childcare to be arranged and it would have been done instantly. In fact, the mother of the child in question has a sister living 2 streets away apparently.

You are seemingly so angry not because he is innocent but, exactly as you reveal, he is the High Priest of Brexit ..

Yes and we all know why you think he is automatically guilty don't we?

He broke no rules because he was safeguarding his son - thus, he did nothing wrong.

It's none of your business who he chose to look after his son. That decision is his and not yours, how dare you decide who should look after his son, mind your own business. You would not tolerate somebody dictating to you what to do with your family, so do not tell others what or how they should manage with theirs when you do not know of their personal circumstances, in particular the childs health.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36036858)
The regulations state:

You should stay at home as much as possible. The reasons you may leave home include:

for work, where you cannot work from homegoing to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine, to exercise or spend time outdoors, any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid injury or illness, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.

Exactly OB - some people need to open their bloody eyes FFS. :mad:

1andrew1 25-05-2020 15:50

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36036858)
The regulations state:

You should stay at home as much as possible. The reasons you may leave home include:

for work, where you cannot work from homegoing to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine, to exercise or spend time outdoors, any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid injury or illness, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.

But as the family were possibly infected by the virus, different rules apply.
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if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...d-19-infection

Mick 25-05-2020 15:59

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036854)
What! Are you kidding? Back on 12th April, you were not permitted to take 60-mile round trips for sightseeing or exercise.
And putting a child in a car with two infected adults at the end of March for five hours? Seriously? That's not in the child's interests. And, as a QC and the media have pointed out, that particular trip broke the rules and law.
I'm really hoping that Cummings is honourable enough to do the decent thing today or pulls a great explanation out of the bag. The latter is my preference.

Stop repeating conjecture to me I do not believe the crap written in Mirror or the pathetic leftie Guardian.

"I saw a man who looked like Cummings in Durham".

Yeah and I can say I saw Elvis at my local Tesco's last week. Bullshit!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036861)
But as the family were possibly infected by the virus, different rules apply.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...d-19-infection

Not when you need to make a decision to safeguard a vulnerable child !!!

Safeguarding the child became the priority and it overrides those set of rules.

jfman 25-05-2020 16:01

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36036858)
The regulations state:

You should stay at home as much as possible. The reasons you may leave home include:

for work, where you cannot work from homegoing to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine, to exercise or spend time outdoors, any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid injury or illness, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.

The purpose and intent of that is clearly to provide care for or help to another person in their home. That does not fit your scenario. He did not travel 260 miles because assistance was not available in London. He did it because it was his preference and apparently when he and his wife were symptomatic. The government guidance for that scenario was clear - to self isolate in your primary residence for 14 days as a family.

This vulnerable child situation is clutching at the end of a very thin straw. There's hundreds of thousands of vulnerable children out there - none facilitating 260 mile journeys to second homes. It's also broadly irrelevant that situation has been dealt with by the police having spoken to a family member - consistent with the regulations which don't automatically lead to fixed penalties or arrests.

1andrew1 25-05-2020 16:05

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036862)
Stop repeating conjecture to me I do not believe the crap written in Mirror or the pathetic leftie Guardian.

"I saw a man who looked like Cummings in Durham".

Yeah and I can say I saw Elvis at my local Tesco's last week. Bullshit!

The 12th April story witness has been checked out and the story has not been denied.
Let's hope that Cummings has a full and frank answer to this mess.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036862)
Not when you need to make a decision to safeguard a vulnerable child !!!

Safeguarding the child became the priority and it overrides those set of rules.

If you can provide a link to the rules that says this then QCs, MPs, the CofE, scientists, the press and everyone else will shut up about it
OB has tried but he provided to a link for those without CV-19 symptoms.

Mick 25-05-2020 16:09

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036865)
The 12th April story witness has been checked out and the story has not been denied.
Let's hope that Cummings has a full and frank answer to this mess.

Didn't I just say to you not to repeat the bullshit and conjecture to me?

What part of this do you not understand Andrew?

It's utter lies by pathetic Activists, they saw him but didn't think to take any pictures... Thus, no actual solid proof, just one word against anothers.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036864)

This vulnerable child situation is clutching at the end of a very thin straw. There's hundreds of thousands of vulnerable children out there - none facilitating 260 mile journeys to second homes. It's also broadly irrelevant that situation has been dealt with by the police having spoken to a family member - consistent with the regulations which don't automatically lead to fixed penalties or arrests.

You are always clutching at straws, who are you to lecture other people on this?

Mr K 25-05-2020 16:12

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036853)
I've heard a rumour which I shall not repeat about personal circumstances that might make people more sympathetic although it would still raise the same questions.

We've all got personal circumstances. My frail mother has been in hospital the last week after a fall (not ideal timing), but I was unable to visit. Still can't go round and see now she's thankfully home as I'm sticking to the rules, as most if the country has. A sob story about kids or dead Uncles won't wash.

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 16:18

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36036852)
He broke the rules. Sorry, he broke his rules. These are here for reference (published 12 March 2020).

He and you have a strange definition of "safeguarding": putting your child in a metal box for 4 hours with someone who has a deadly disease, for most people, does not make the grade.

The other bizarre thing here is that Cummings has the resources of the Government at his disposal. He could have asked for childcare to be arranged and it would have been done instantly. In fact, the mother of the child in question has a sister living 2 streets away apparently.

You are seemingly so angry not because he is innocent but, exactly as you reveal, he is the High Priest of Brexit ..

... and you are so convinced he is guilty because he's "the High Priest of Brexit".

I've no admiration for Cummings but his family decision on how to protect his child is where I side with him. You lot give him no quarter because of Brexit - I'm sure of that. Witch hunt and revenge.


jfman 25-05-2020 16:20

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036868)
Didn't I just say to you not to repeat the bullshit and conjecture to me?

What part of this do you not understand Andrew?

It's utter lies by pathetic Activists, they saw him but didn't think to take any pictures... Thus, no actual solid proof, just one word against anothers.

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You are always clutching at straws, who are you to lecture other people on this?

I assume the Daily Mail are also clutching at straws? This isn't a remainer conspiracy although it's a cheap and lazy way to dismiss opposing arguments without substantive reply.

I fully expect Dominic Cummings to apologise in some way, expressing an error of judgement and claim to have been acting in good faith. What then? Will he just be lying? Or will he have actually used a sense of perspective notably absent from some on this thread.

Damien 25-05-2020 16:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036871)
... and you are so convinced he is guilty because he's "the High Priest of Brexit".

I've no admiration for Cummings but his family decision on how to protect his child is where I side with him. You lot give him no quarter because of Brexit - I'm sure of that. Witch hunt and revenge.


Just to point out a lot of Brexiters aren't happy either. This has crossed the divide.

jfman 25-05-2020 16:22

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036873)
Just to point out a lot of Brexiters aren't happy either. This has crossed the divide.

Indeed, it's those clutching at straws to defend him exercising a lazy way out. He's committed an error of judgement against the spirit of, and likely the letter of, the law.

I expect him to acknowledge this shortly.

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 16:26

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036874)
Indeed, it's those clutching at straws to defend him exercising a lazy way out. He's committed an error of judgement against the spirit of, and likely the letter of, the law.

I expect him to acknowledge this shortly.

As you know, my friend, I don't clutch at straws. I have a definite point of view based on what I might do in similar circumstances.

However, "error of judgement" might be somewhere we could meet on this as there is blurring as to legal interpretation.

Mick 25-05-2020 16:32

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36036870)
We've all got personal circumstances. My frail mother has been in hospital the last week after a fall (not ideal timing), but I was unable to visit. Still can't go round and see now she's thankfully home as I'm sticking to the rules, as most if the country has. A sob story about kids or dead Uncles won't wash.

You sticking to the rules, I doubt it, that just doesn't wash with me at all given at times, you struggle to stick to the forums rules. ;)

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036874)
Indeed, it's those clutching at straws to defend him exercising a lazy way out. He's committed an error of judgement against the spirit of, and likely the letter of, the law.

I expect him to acknowledge this shortly.

It's nothing to do with laziness, it's nothing to do with errors of judgement, he made the right call for his vulnerable son. Thus, no rules broken, despite how many times you erroneously say so.

jfman 25-05-2020 16:34

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036876)
As you know, my friend, I don't clutch at straws. I have a definite point of view based on what I might do in similar circumstances.

However, "error of judgement" might be somewhere we could meet on this as there is blurring as to legal interpretation.

What an individual would do in similar circumstances is irrelevant in the law. There was a clear steer in the regulations and government messaging around the broad set of circumstances that applied here.

I'm also not convinced two parents suffering Coronavirus symptoms would have taken a child on a four and a half hour car journey when one of them has a sister nearby in London.

Mick 25-05-2020 16:36

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036872)
I assume the Daily Mail are also clutching at straws? This isn't a remainer conspiracy although it's a cheap and lazy way to dismiss opposing arguments without substantive reply.

I fully expect Dominic Cummings to apologise in some way, expressing an error of judgement and claim to have been acting in good faith. What then? Will he just be lying? Or will he have actually used a sense of perspective notably absent from some on this thread.

What is this incessant obsession with bringing newspapers in to this?

I do not read any newspapers and I do not care what crap is written in any of them. They are all as bad as one another.

jfman 25-05-2020 16:38

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036877)
You sticking to the rules, I doubt it, that just doesn't wash with me at all given at times, you struggle to stick to the forums rules. ;)

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It's nothing to do with laziness, it's nothing to do with errors of judgement, he made the right call for his vulnerable son. Thus, no rules broken, despite how many times you erroneously say so.

I'll prefer to await the outcome of any investigation than trust the armchair judgements of those who, in all probability, would defend Cummings at all costs because of his role in Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036880)
What is this incessant obsession with bringing newspapers in to this?

I do not read any newspapers and I do not care what crap is written in any of them. They are all as bad as one another.

It's not an obsession. It's the easiest way to prove its not a remainer conspiracy. I also don't think Steve Baker is part of a remainer conspiracy.

Mick 25-05-2020 16:42

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036881)
I'll prefer to await the outcome of any investigation than trust the armchair judgements of those who, in all probability, would defend Cummings at all costs because of his role in Brexit.

And you're blaming him regardless because of it - stop clutching at straws, the thing you accuse others of doing!

Cummings involvement in Brexit, holds no interest in me, I voted to leave not because Cummings championed it, I voted to leave, to leave a corrupted EU and I would do so again and again without any aid from the Dom.

jfman 25-05-2020 16:44

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I'm genuinely not influenced by my position on Brexit I'm more concerned by the credibility of the Government tanking at a time it's important that people trust it - during a public health emergency.

At least we are over Coronavirus being a bad flu though and now it's highly likely to incapacitate adults rendering them incapable of childcare.

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 16:45

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036879)
What an individual would do in similar circumstances is irrelevant in the law. There was a clear steer in the regulations and government messaging around the broad set of circumstances that applied here.

I'm also not convinced two parents suffering Coronavirus symptoms would have taken a child on a four and a half hour car journey when one of them has a sister nearby in London.

Now I completely disagree with you. We don't know the exact circumstances like did he try his sister and she couldn't help? Was the state of mind of the child such that leaving him withe sister would have been too upsetting for the child? Was there a conclusion drawn by the Cummings that best bet all round was to go to the farm estate near Durham?

The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

jfman 25-05-2020 16:46

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Because being closer than 2 metres for more than 15 minutes with someone with Coronavirus is dangerous.

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 16:51

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036886)
Because being closer than 2 metres for more than 15 minutes with someone with Coronavirus is dangerous.

Is that what happened?

jfman 25-05-2020 16:54

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Most people in the same vehicle would be, yes.

Chris 25-05-2020 16:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036885)

The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

Because as anyone with young children knows, the chance of going that length of time in a car without stopping for the toilet is essentially zero. So one or more members of the travelling party would have been exposed to unsanitised surfaces in public places (and risked spreading contamination themselves) once, or quite possibly multiple times, during the trip.

Mick 25-05-2020 16:58

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036888)
Most people in the same vehicle would be, yes.

But they are from the same household. Jeez. So that does not matter! :dozey:

jfman 25-05-2020 17:01

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036890)
But they are from the same household. Jeez. So that does not matter! :dozey:

He can't say it's a legitimate health concern for a vulnerable child though

Mr K 25-05-2020 17:05

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036877)
You sticking to the rules, I doubt it, that just doesn't wash with me at all given at times, you struggle to stick to the forums rules. ;)[COL.

The breaking of the ever flexible forum rules isn't going to kill anybody. This virus can.

Mythica 25-05-2020 17:08

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036885)
Now I completely disagree with you. We don't know the exact circumstances like did he try his sister and she couldn't help? Was the state of mind of the child such that leaving him withe sister would have been too upsetting for the child? Was there a conclusion drawn by the Cummings that best bet all round was to go to the farm estate near Durham?

The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

Because the longer the distance the greater percentage of needing garages, service stations, emergency services and breakdown services. That was one of the reasons for the stay at home message.

GrimUpNorth 25-05-2020 17:14

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036859)
Yes and we all know why you think he is automatically guilty don't we?

He broke no rules because he was safeguarding his son - thus, he did nothing wrong.

It's none of your business who he chose to look after his son. That decision is his and not yours, how dare you decide who should look after his son, mind your own business. You would not tolerate somebody dictating to you what to do with your family, so do not tell others what or how they should manage with theirs when you do not know of their personal circumstances, in particular the childs health.

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Exactly OB - some people need to open their bloody eyes FFS. :mad:

Think you've hit the nail on the head there Mick. Most of us have been tolerating someone dictating to us what we can and more importantly can not do with our family. Hence the (deserved) outcry when someone who should make sure their actions means they are above criticism seems to come across with an almost arrogant contempt for the rest of us. You can spin it as much as you want but the Government are now fighting a loosing case in the court of public opinion.

Damien 25-05-2020 17:16

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Why can't these things ever start on time?

Hugh 25-05-2020 17:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036895)
Why can't these things ever start on time?

He was caught in traffic on the way back from Durham... :D

Paul 25-05-2020 17:21

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036886)
Because being closer than 2 metres for more than 15 minutes with someone with Coronavirus is dangerous.

I see you have let the paranoia get to you.
Just about anything you do is potentially dangerous.

What it means is you're more likely to catch the virus.
Which may (or may not) mean you then have symptoms, which in turn (in a small number of cases) may become more serious.

A lot of the pictures online show the press crowding around Dominic Cummings, and his house, in packs. I hope they are not current pictures ....

Mick 25-05-2020 17:22

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36036894)
Think you've hit the nail on the head there Mick. Most of us have been tolerating someone dictating to us what we can and more importantly can not do with our family. Hence the (deserved) outcry when someone who should make sure their actions means they are above criticism seems to come across with an almost arrogant contempt for the rest of us. You can spin it as much as you want but the Government are now fighting a loosing case in the court of public opinion.

When you have a vulnerable child to cater for, nothing else matters. No rules were broken. I don’t see where they are losing.

papa smurf 25-05-2020 17:23

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036895)
Why can't these things ever start on time?

It's phycoma sycycomonomon.. He's messing with your head;)

Julian 25-05-2020 17:23

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Police deemed no further action was needed

Durham Constabulary has issued a further statement confirming that an officer spoke to Dominic Cummings' father on 1 April.

The force says: "Mr Cummings confirmed that his son, his son's wife and child were present at the property.

"He told the officer that his son and son's wife were displaying symptoms of coronavirus and were self-isolating in part of the property."

The force adds: "We can further confirm that our officer gave no specific advice on coronavirus to any members of the family and that Durham Constabulary deemed that no further action was required in that regard."

But the officer did "provide the family with advice on security issues".

jfman 25-05-2020 17:26

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36036898)
I see you have let the paranoia get to you.
Just about anything you do is potentially dangerous.

What it means is you're more likely to catch the virus.
Which may (or may not) mean you then have symptoms, which in turn (in a small number of cases) may become more serious.

A lot of the pictures online show the press crowding around Dominic Cummings, and his house, in packs. I hope they are not current pictures ....

It's hardly paranoia - it's Government advice to stay that far away from people who don't have Coronavirus, and for those who do to stay at home.

It's fundamental to the restrictions we will face for months to come unless the Government gets the situation under control.

Damien 25-05-2020 17:31

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I reckon this is him just trying to wind up the journalists

jfman 25-05-2020 17:35

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15 feet, cheers Dom.

Damien 25-05-2020 17:45

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Here we go:
  • Wife had symptoms so he ran out.
  • None of this his childcare options are available
  • Thinks he had it. Worried that if both where ill there was no one else available.
  • Didn't oppose lockdown and the story he did was a lie. Said he was worried about people who believed this being a threat
  • Thought he should drive to Durham. Where he would be in a different house.
  • Thought he could leave them there otherwise
  • Did not ask PM (Johnson in the clear on that one)
  • Claims he did not stop on the way
  • Got COVID the day after he arrived
  • Child was hospitalised in Durham
  • But he didn't have COVID
  • Returned to work
  • Did go to the Castle Town but didn't leave the car for too long
  • This is getting too long :dozey:
  • He didn't return to Durham and also has proof he was in London

Doesn't really add much to what we didn't already know really. Confirms he didn't return which we weren't' sure about (although the strong denials did mean we suspected he didn't).

Mythica 25-05-2020 17:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036906)
Here we go:
  • Wife had symptoms so he ran out.
  • None of this his childcare options are available
  • Thinks he had it. Worried that if both where ill there was no one else available.
  • Didn't oppose lockdown and the story he did was a lie. Said he was worried about people who believed this being a threat
  • Thought he should drive to Durham. Where he would be in a different house.
  • Thought he could leave them there otherwise
  • Did not ask PM (Johnson in the clear on that one)
  • Claims he did not stop on the way
  • Got COVID the day after he arrived
  • Child was hospitalised in Durham
  • But he didn't have COVID
  • Returned to work
  • Did go to the Castle Town but didn't leave the car for too long
  • This is getting too long :dozey:
  • He didn't return to Durham and also has proof he was in London

Doesn't really add much to what we didn't already know really. Confirms he didn't return which we weren't' sure about (although the strong denials did mean we suspected he didn't).

What I take from that is he drove 260 miles for no reason. Why couldn't the child be hospitalised in London?

Hugh 25-05-2020 17:50

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I disagree with some of his actions, and a bit doubtful about some of his explanations, but all in all, I thought it was a good explanation.

papa smurf 25-05-2020 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036907)
What I take from that is he drove 260 miles for no reason. Why couldn't the child be hospitalised in London?

Please tell you don't have children :(

Chris 25-05-2020 17:55

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I still think they’ve extracted maximum distraction value out of the story before making any serious attempt to shut it down though.

Damien 25-05-2020 17:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036907)
What I take from that is he drove 260 miles for no reason. Why couldn't the child be hospitalised in London?

The hospitalisation wasn't foreseen. It just happened up there. I guess he recited the story to tell us about an additional trip he made.

denphone 25-05-2020 17:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36036908)
I disagree with some of his actions, and a bit doubtful about some of his explanations, but all in all, I thought it was a good explanation.

But Dominic Cummings just admitted breaking the lockdown rules three times. None of us was allowed to do any of the things he did as we all abided by the strict lockdown rules.

You cannot have rules for everybody and then somebody decides personally he wants to break it.

Damien 25-05-2020 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36036911)
I still think they’ve extracted maximum distraction value out of the story before making any serious attempt to shut it down though.

Do you think this was a distraction attempt or that they botched it then? I have seen some conspiracy stuff on twitter that this is a 'dead cat' but I can't see how this story is good for the government.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36036913)
But Dominic Cummings just admitted breaking the lockdown rules three times. None of us was allowed to do any of the things he did as we abided by the strict lockdown rules.

The hospitalisation one is unquestionably fine so it's really only twice (once IMO since I don't think he 'drive to test my eyesight' is that bad if true).

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Although actually putting your wife and kids in the car for a 30 mins drive to test if you can see is a novel idea....

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36036888)
Most people in the same vehicle would be, yes.

But you're ignoring why he needed to go to the Durham area.

Damien 25-05-2020 18:07

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Journalists now trying to get CCTV of every service station going up to Durham.

ianch99 25-05-2020 18:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036859)
He broke no rules because he was safeguarding his son - thus, he did nothing wrong.

It's none of your business who he chose to look after his son. That decision is his and not yours, how dare you decide who should look after his son, mind your own business. You would not tolerate somebody dictating to you what to do with your family, so do not tell others what or how they should manage with theirs when you do not know of their personal circumstances, in particular the childs health

Mr Cummings et al are doing exactly that: dictating what to do with your family. I think we have entered a parallel reality :) It is very much my business what he does if the individual in question is part of the Government telling me what I should do. Less of the preaching please.

It is interesting that your definition of "safeguarding" is to lock someone in a car for 4+ hours with a person who has a deadly pandemic.

Damien 25-05-2020 18:09

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Daily Mail journalist is tearing into him

denphone 25-05-2020 18:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036919)
Journalists now trying to get CCTV of every service station going up to Durham.

Some decent questioning from the last 2 journo's.

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 18:11

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‘I drove to Barnard Castle to test my eyesight’

Of course he did....

ianch99 25-05-2020 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036871)
... and you are so convinced he is guilty because he's "the High Priest of Brexit".

I've no admiration for Cummings but his family decision on how to protect his child is where I side with him. You lot give him no quarter because of Brexit - I'm sure of that. Witch hunt and revenge.


Really? Don't be so lazy, read the previous posts. I did not introduce Brexit into this.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036885)
The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

The distance is a relevant point: the further you travel, while infectious, the more risk you represent. If you breakdown or have an accident, you risk the first responders attending the scene. If you stop for a convenience break, you risk infected those people sharing the facilities you use, etc.

This sort of stuff is just plain obvious and even with the Government's poor messaging, most of the country gets it. I'm surprised you do not?

Chris 25-05-2020 18:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036914)
Do you think this was a distraction attempt or that they botched it then? I have seen some conspiracy stuff on twitter that this is a 'dead cat' but I can't see how this story is good for the government.

He’s a political adviser, not an elected representative, and it is now explicitly on the public record that BoJo neither knew of, nor approved, the trip. It’s hard to see what the long-term damage can possibly be here - whereas forensic focus on strategic and tactical decisions taken by ministers over the last 5 months has the potential to cause serious reputational damage to those who will have to face the electorate on their records, even if that election is over 4 years away.

The Press are taking this very personally because Cummings holds them in contempt and they see it as a chance to settle scores. The Left is sticking the boot in because it’s their first real chance to unleash unrestricted, thermonuclear self-righteous fury on the Tories after months of enforced restraint in the face of a national crisis. But what’s really telling is the number of Tories who are also prepared to go for him. Don’t don’t underestimate a Tory MP’s instinct for self-preservation. If they thought this was an issue of basic competence reflecting on the government, and on the man who just won them a landslide, they wouldn’t be out to get Cummings right now. That they feel safe in doing so should tell you everything you need to know about what’s really going on here.

Mr K 25-05-2020 18:27

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A lot of umming and ahhing and his nose has definitely grown longer....

Do they have a good Specsavers in Barnard Castle ?

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 18:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036660)
First part of your point, yes he clearly did, it is irrelevant how many people live in one city like London, if you have kids you don't just entrust them to anybody. What he did, that is not against the law. Safeguarding of a young child took priority.

All the other points you raise are conjecture. Allegedly this, one witness saw that, where are the photos, where is the video evidence?

I can say I saw Elton John walking down my road yesterday, saying it and proving it, are two different things.

They saw sweet FA because it's bullshit.

I am still waiting for you to prove his guilt, not spin the media mantra which is most certainly not evidence of any guilt whatsoever!

As I said innocent until proven guilty exists for a reason. We do not do trial by media in this country and it's utterly sad how people follow the news like lost sheep.

Such bullshit , that he himself admits it happened.

As before, the childcare I could give you (whilst not breaking the rules, you could argue morally it goes against what the country as a whole was trying to achieve)

I’d like to see anyone try to defend his excuse for driving from Durham to Barnard Castle.

Mick 25-05-2020 18:29

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There we have it. He’s innocent and did right thing, under the circumstances.

Mr K 25-05-2020 18:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036932)
There we have it. He’s innocent and did right thing, under the circumstances.

Guilty as hell and a habitual liar like his boss.

Mythica 25-05-2020 18:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36036909)
Please tell you don't have children :(

I'm not sure what relevance that is? I'm just going by the points in the quote that stated the child was hospitalised. Surely then the drive was pointless if that was the outcome? I don't have a wife but if I did, I wouldn't drive her 260 miles when she was ill and throwing up.

Mick 25-05-2020 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36036933)
Guilty as hell and a habitual liar like his boss.

Absolute bollocks - if you have nothing of substance to actually say Mr K, I am not interested in your ridiculous and pathetic assertions.

Damien 25-05-2020 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36036926)
He’s a political adviser, not an elected representative, and it is now explicitly on the public record that BoJo neither knew of, nor approved, the trip. It’s hard to see what the long-term damage can possibly be here - whereas forensic focus on strategic and tactical decisions taken by ministers over the last 5 months has the potential to cause serious reputational damage to those who will have to face the electorate on their records, even if that election is over 4 years away.

There will still be plenty of the time for the latter, this is just a juicy story because someone who helped write the rules is accused of breaking them. Same reasons even less senior advisors like Neil Ferguson became stories even if it that case it was more clear cut.

Mick 25-05-2020 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036931)
Such bullshit , that he himself admits it happened.

Which is good of him to do so but your attacking me on something from events from yesterday. Yesterday it was conjecture. Today he's admitted it, be fair. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistofelees
I’d like to see anyone try to defend his excuse for driving from Durham to Barnard Castle.

Simples - For exercise, which is allowed.

No rules broken, no laws broken. This should be the end of it.

Damien 25-05-2020 18:38

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I wonder why he didn't say the test drive was to test his stamina rather than eyesight? Seems a bit silly to load the family into the car to do that.

Mythica 25-05-2020 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036937)
Which is good of him to do so but your attacking me on something from events from yesterday. Yesterday it was conjecture. Today he's admitted it, be fair. :rolleyes:



Simples - For exercise, which is allowed.

No rules broken, no laws broken. This should be the end of it.

He didnt say it was for exercise did he? From my understanding they barely moved from the car.

papa smurf 25-05-2020 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036934)
I'm not sure what relevance that is? I'm just going by the points in the quote that stated the child was hospitalised. Surely then the drive was pointless if that was the outcome? I don't have a wife but if I did, I wouldn't drive her 260 miles when she was ill and throwing up.

You stay single mate it'll save you the expense of a divorce.;)

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 18:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036919)
Journalists now trying to get CCTV of every service station going up to Durham.

They really are hounding slags.

Will they apologise to him of they find nothing? Hypocritically no, I am sure.

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036937)
Which is good of him to do so but your attacking me on something from events from yesterday. Yesterday it was conjecture. Today he's admitted it, be fair. :rolleyes:



Simples - For exercise, which is allowed.

No rules broken, no laws broken. This should be the end of it.

I’m not attacking you at all far from it. If you’ve read previous posts I’ve agreed with you on the trial by media and also that at the time he moved his wife and children there had been amendments to the regulations that allowed this.

Nope, the official guidelines were to leave your home to exercise once a day and not to travel/drive to take exercise, this was at the time he made his journey.

The eyesight excuse is precisely that an excuse. He broke the rules. End of

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036938)
I wonder why he didn't say the test drive was to test his stamina rather than eyesight? Seems a bit silly to load the family into the car to do that.

Yes, especially as the majority of the routes from Durham to Barnard Castle are quite twisty and narrow. Great fun on a motorbike not necessarily so much fun or safe if you need to test your eyesight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036941)
They really are hounding slags.

Will they apologise to him of they find nothing? Hypocritically no, I am sure.


Oh be quiet, had this been a special advisor to labour or the Lib Dem’s you would more than likely be egging the press on and be baying for blood

Mick 25-05-2020 18:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036942)
I’m not attacking you at all far from it. If you’ve read previous posts I’ve agreed with you on the trial by media and also that at the time he moved his wife and children there had been amendments to the regulations that allowed this.

Nope, the official guidelines were to leave your home to exercise once a day and not to travel/drive to take exercise, this was at the time he made his journey.

The eyesight excuse is precisely that an excuse. He broke the rules. End of

He left the house for medical reasons - perfectly valid to me. He is innocent and given the police statement an hour or so ago, they must also think so too, pray tell what you have which you think your view overrides that of the Police?

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 18:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036945)
He left the house for medical reasons - perfectly valid to me. He is innocent and given the police statement an hour or so ago, they must also think so too, pray tell what you have which you think your view overrides that of the Police?

Can you provide the link to the police statement? I genuinely haven’t seen it. Thanks in advance

Health reasons are to visit a health care professional. Did he do this?

Damien 25-05-2020 18:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036945)
He left the house for medical reasons - perfectly valid to me.

Not sure driving is seen as a valid means of testing one's eyesight.

It's a pretty mild way to break it for sure.

Mick 25-05-2020 18:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036942)

Oh be quiet, had this been a special advisor to labour or the Lib Dem’s you would more than likely be egging the press on and be baying for blood

:nono:

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 18:58

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Unlucky for the government scientist who lost his job.for his affairs during lockdown. He should've just said he was worried his penis had stopped working and he wanted to double check?

Mick 25-05-2020 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036949)
Unlucky for the government scientist who lost his job.for his affairs during lockdown. He should've just said he was worried his penis had stopped working and he wanted to double check?

Come on now this just is getting stone cold crazy.

You cannot compare someone who cannot keep his dick in his pants to someone genuinely ill, if your trying to do so, give up now because it is just utterly ridiculous to even bring the two things in the same argument.

Julian 25-05-2020 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036946)
Can you provide the link to the police statement? I genuinely haven’t seen it. Thanks in advance

Health reasons are to visit a health care professional. Did he do this?

Police deemed no further action was needed

Durham Constabulary has issued a further statement confirming that an officer spoke to Dominic Cummings' father on 1 April.

The force says: "Mr Cummings confirmed that his son, his son's wife and child were present at the property.

"He told the officer that his son and son's wife were displaying symptoms of coronavirus and were self-isolating in part of the property."

The force adds: "We can further confirm that our officer gave no specific advice on coronavirus to any members of the family and that Durham Constabulary deemed that no further action was required in that regard."

But the officer did "provide the family with advice on security issues".

HERE

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036950)
Come on now this just is getting stone cold crazy.

You cannot compare someone who cannot keep his dick in his pants to someone genuinely ill, if your trying to do so, give up now because it is just utterly ridiculous to even bring the two things in the same argument.

I’ve already said I’ll give you the childcare one.

The excuse for driving between Durham & Barnard Castle is not valid.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36036951)
Police deemed no further action was needed

Durham Constabulary has issued a further statement confirming that an officer spoke to Dominic Cummings' father on 1 April.

The force says: "Mr Cummings confirmed that his son, his son's wife and child were present at the property.

"He told the officer that his son and son's wife were displaying symptoms of coronavirus and were self-isolating in part of the property."

The force adds: "We can further confirm that our officer gave no specific advice on coronavirus to any members of the family and that Durham Constabulary deemed that no further action was required in that regard."

But the officer did "provide the family with advice on security issues".

HERE

That relates to the drive from London to Durham NOT his actions whilst in Durham and the surrounding areas.

The acting PCC for Durham has written to Durham CC and requested a full investigation

Mick 25-05-2020 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036952)
I’ve already said I’ll give you the childcare one.

The excuse for driving between Durham & Barnard Castle is not valid.

Well cheers for giving me the childcare one, I wasn't aware I was seeking any approval on it though. :)

He has left his residence for medical reasons, it's perfectly valid.

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 19:17

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Interestingly he’s just stated that his parents house is five miles from the hospital in Durham (Dryburn) yet to test his eyesight he drives to Barnard Castle rather than into say central Durham then out onto the A689 and to the A1 and back.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036954)
Well cheers for giving me the childcare one, I wasn't aware I was seeking any approval on it though. :)

He has left his residence for medical reasons, it's perfectly valid.

So during the lockdown it would have been perfectly acceptable For me to go out for a ride on my motorbike to see if I could get rid of a headache?

Mick 25-05-2020 19:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036955)

So during the lockdown it would have been perfectly acceptable For me to go out for a ride on my motorbike to see if I could get rid of a headache?

Motorbikes are noisy, I don't see how they could cure a headache. :angel:

Next?

Hugh 25-05-2020 19:21

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036923)
‘I drove to Barnard Castle to test my eyesight’

Of course he did....

Sounds legit...

On a more serious note, driving to test your eyesight could be construed as an offence under the RTA 1988 Section 96
Quote:

96 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight.

(1)If a person drives a motor vehicle on a road while his eyesight is such (whether through a defect which cannot be or one which is not for the time being sufficiently corrected) that he cannot comply with any requirement as to eyesight prescribed under this Part of this Act for the purposes of tests of competence to drive, he is guilty of an offence.

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036957)
Motorbikes are noisy, I don't see how they could cure a headache. :angel:

Next?

So I could of driven my car ?

Mick 25-05-2020 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36036958)
Sounds legit...

And there we have it, the evidence right there that it's barely over an hour since Dom's statement and there is GIF's and fake mockery doing the circles already. Pathetic.

Pierre 25-05-2020 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36036911)
I still think they’ve extracted maximum distraction value out of the story before making any serious attempt to shut it down though.

Absolutely, the government haven’t been held to any account for days.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36036913)
But Dominic Cummings just admitted breaking the lockdown rules three times. None of us was allowed to do any of the things he did as we all abided by the strict lockdown rules.

did we?

Damien 25-05-2020 19:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036960)
And there we have it, the evidence right there that it's barely over an hour since Dom's statement and there is GIF's and fake mockery doing the circles already. Pathetic.

Out of all the things that have happened mockery is pretty universal and rather harmless.

Like this one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY4NPZxX...jpg&name=small

Hugh 25-05-2020 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036960)
And there we have it, the evidence right there that it's barely over an hour since Dom's statement and there is GIF's and fake mockery doing the circles already. Pathetic.

The evidence is that people are mocking someone who would take a 4 year old child* in a car when he wasn't sure if his eyesight was safe for driving - He said his vision had been "a bit weird" so his wife suggested to "drive down the road" to check it.

*the one he had driven over 260 miles to keep safe.

Pierre 25-05-2020 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36036926)
Don’t don’t underestimate a Tory MP’s instinct for self-preservation. If they thought this was an issue of basic competence reflecting on the government, and on the man who just won them a landslide, they wouldn’t be out to get Cummings right now. That they feel safe in doing so should tell you everything you need to know about what’s really going on here.

Ha, absolutely, my MP Craig Whittaker was one of the MPs calling for him go and he doesn’t put his head above the parapet for nothing or nobody.

Mick 25-05-2020 19:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036959)
So I could of driven my car ?

Do you think it would help you?

An headache is hardly a serious ailment. So I doubt it would save you had you been stopped. Dom and his wife were just coming over far more serious issues, potentially, Covid-19. They were outside of the quarantine required.

Mythica 25-05-2020 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036966)
Do you think it would help you?

An headache is hardly a serious ailment. So I doubt it would save you had been stopped. Dom and his wife were just coming over far more serious issues, potentially, Covid-19. They were outside of the quarantine required.

With all due respect, getting into a car when your vision has been a bit weird, with the family might I add to test to see if your eye site is OK would probably not save you either.

Mick 25-05-2020 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036967)
With all due respect, getting into a car when your vision has been a bit weird, with the family might I add to test to see if your eye site is OK would probably not save you either.

Vision can be weird but was it totally defective to the point he could no longer legally drive at all, clearly not.

Next?

(and btw this is not a license for you to barrage me with constant nitty gritty arguments Mythica.)

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Oh look, I sign in to twitter to see the following trending:

News · Trending
#ScumMedia
Trending with: #mediascum


Dom 1 - Media 0

Sephiroth 25-05-2020 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36036942)
<SNIP>


Oh be quiet, had this been a special advisor to labour or the Lib Dem’s you would more than likely be egging the press on and be baying for blood

Probably not. It depends on what's going on. The press were not acting like slags over the expenses scandal, for example.

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 20:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036970)
Probably not. It depends on what's going on. The press were not acting like slags over the expenses scandal, for example.


First of all I’d like to apologise for the ‘oh be quiet’ comment written in frustration. Hopefully you will accept.

However, I think the press would be all over any senior advisor regardless of which political party he was working for if they acted in the same way.

Mick 25-05-2020 20:34

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You just know how stone cold crazy this is getting when you have pratts like Alastair Campbell lecturing the government on lying when he and his former boss lied through their teeth on WMD and took us in to an unnecessary war.

mrmistoffelees 25-05-2020 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036973)
You just know how stone cold crazy this is getting when you have pratts like Alastair Campbell lecturing the government on lying when he and his former boss lied through their teeth on WMD and took us in to an unnecessary war.

Maybe they couldn’t see very well?

OLD BOY 25-05-2020 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36036889)
Because as anyone with young children knows, the chance of going that length of time in a car without stopping for the toilet is essentially zero. So one or more members of the travelling party would have been exposed to unsanitised surfaces in public places (and risked spreading contamination themselves) once, or quite possibly multiple times, during the trip.

Not good news for those who take full advantage of the hedging and ditching season! :D

Seriously, these character assassination tactics are pathetic and I think his interview this afternoon has done him a lot of good with the public.

These vindictive reporters are doing themselves no favours, and frankly, this will show up the BBC to be anti-Conservatives for all to see. That will do their 'politically neutral' argument no good at all!

Mythica 25-05-2020 20:50

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036968)
Vision can be weird but was it totally defective to the point he could no longer legally drive at all, clearly not.

Next?

(and btw this is not a license for you to barrage me with constant nitty gritty arguments Mythica.)

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If vision is weird, you don't step into a car to see if you are able to drive. That's common sense.

Edit to add that if anything did happen then I'd doubt your insurance would cover you either.


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