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Starmer humiliated: Seven frontbenchers quit as 34 Labour MPs ignore Keir's orders on vote

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-vote-against


Nice to see who's in charge these days.:)

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They're the last remaining Corbyn supporters on the front bench I think.

Not sure if he intentionally was provoking them to quit on an issue that not only works well for him but during a time few people are paying attention. Or if it was not what he wanted.

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Two frontbenchers quit - Parliamentary Private Secretaries are not frontbenchers...

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Sensible strategy which works for all concerned. Corbynites can claim to their supporters they took the moral high ground so less likely to cause Starmer future trouble as a dignified exit. Whilst Starmer gets his people in place easily.

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Starmer does u turn

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/130396...on-not-see-me/


















and runs down cyclist.

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Probably mistook him for Boris. :D

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He left the scene pretty quickly.

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Boris tends to do that, too...

Sorry, my mistake - not "scene"; I meant girlfriends/wives/children/IT Trainers... :D

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Long enough to exchange details with the cyclist.

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But before the traffic police could get there and breathalyse him. ;)

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And quick enough to be out of there before the police arrived.

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you bring up an interesting twist to the story,he did however go to the police station later in the afternoon, as any good lawyer would advise a person to do, [as late as possible if you've been on the booze ] the article does not say if a breath or blood sample was taken,we will have to see if this goes any further.

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Is it a slow news day?
Man has collusion with cyclist, waits for ambulance, exchanges details and reports incident to the police.
The news could get boring as we'll get hundreds of these every day ;)

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This was clearly premeditated as two weeks ago starmer was saying BREAK THE CYCLE :)

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If i had almost killed a cyclist i bet i would have been tested for alcohol and drugs.

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And wait for the ambulance to arrive.

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"almost killed"?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54701336

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Chelsea tractor vs bicycle,that's as close to death as you can get when your delivering someone's lunch.

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I'm sure getting on the wrong side of the cyclist lobby can only boost Sir Keir's popularity with Conservative voters. Not that I think it was deliberate, before any conspiracy theorists surface. ;)

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You have been dealing in too much hyperbole lately papa....

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What would have been the outcome if both had been breathalysed . . . and the cyclist was over the limit?

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Must have been a slow news day when a guy drove up the M1 months back.

Some very sad people still think that's news. ;)

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I've seen the woke at the end of the tunnel,i'm channeling my inner lefty;)

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We learn something every day...;)

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The cyclist would still have an injured arm.


it might come up in the next PMQ's if bojo can fit it into the answer to another question.

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FROM HERE

Can't secure evidence is someone has buggered off pretty sharpish.

Perhaps he should have called a decent lawyer for some advice, or maybe he did......

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Can you here that clip clop clip clop in the background,it'll be a knight in shining armour riding to his defence . whoa neddy whoa.

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tbf, you are probably better known to your local constabulary... ;)

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Waiting for an ambulance to arrive is not buggering off pretty sharpish, no matter how many people say it...

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I've never been in any trouble involving the police.

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That was very carefully worded... ;)

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If apparently he lives nearby and was trying to park at the time, then he must live on that road. The 2 parking spaces are for permit holders only.

Therefore the Police could've called at his home, as they would've done for anybody else.

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Indeed.

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Is a pretty accurate description of the labour leader. :tu: ;)

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As has been said before, I would prefer boring over slapdash, boorish, and serially unfaithful.

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Yea but your not a woman are you.

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But we’re talking about politicians, not paramours...

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There does seem some strange confusion with British Transport Police allegedly being involved in some form or maybe not :confused:.

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Me too!

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Totally irrelevant!

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This Ipsos MORI opinion polling was done before the EHRC report so it will be interesting how that plays out in future opinion polls.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...on-b27236.html

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The person was off-duty, and happened to be there.

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Agreed, it could play both ways. I expect a short-term dip but long-term ascent.

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Labour branch passes no-confidence vote in Keir Starmer – lost faith in Labour leader

A LABOUR PARTY branch has passed a motion of no confidence in Sir Keir Starmer, saying it does not have faith he can win a general election

Looks like sir kneelalot hindsight is losing popularity.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-corbyn-brexit

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You're assuming he had popularity in the first place with some of the branches, comrade. ;)

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Nah, that's normal tankie behaviour from some their CLPs. These people hated him from the off but their power is limited. These motions are meaningless and they often have ones calling for nonsense things.

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Labour activists love passing motions. They’re full of it ... :D

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Bunch of "tankies" unhappy that the Blessed Jeremy isn’t being allowed to lead the Labour Party to another General Election defeat...

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Camber well Green, isn't that Windy Miller's constituency?

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It was, then he was dropped in to the "safe seat" of Chigley, after Lord Belborough was forced to retire after the Expenses Scandal (he claimed for the upkeep of "Bessie").

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As soon as I read that, this popped into my head . . . and now won't go away!

"Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb."

:D

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One of the best childrens series ever on TV.:D:tu:

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Ahh but that was Trumpton not Camberwick Green, I thought there were 3no series, but saying that I can only remember 2

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Chigley. Always ended with a tea dance outside the biscuit factory.

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I was very fond of Windy Miller, windmill owner.

A school mate had that as a nickname - but he didn't have a windmill or many friends :)

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ld-resign-poll

Majority think Boris Johnson should resign as prime minister – poll

Opinium survey finds 43%

Not to be pedantic to the Guardian but...

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Meaning quick to jump on Labour, look closer to home.

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My main point was that the guardian don’t know what a majority is and discussing this weeks poll numbers seemed more appropriate here than digging up an old thread.

Only 20% think Starmer should resign which could be a sign of how many on the left never wanted him anyway.

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Headline writers these days seem to barely read the article before writing the headline, that seems to be a common flaw in many articles these days. Perhaps it's due to cutbacks in staff and a need to grab click-throughs on the internet.

I think there's still a lot of left-wing idealists in the Labour Party hankering after Jeremy Corbyn which is the reason they joined. Membership figures may be healthy but it's votes at the elections that matter most.

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I think it's just another stupid online poll, by a company that apparently 'gives rewards' (pays) people to sign up and complete their polls.

Nothing special about it at all . . . unless you're a Guardian editor looking for something edgy to print :p:

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I had no faith in liebour when Steptoe said before the last election he had flipped and was now anti Brexit.


As the Brexit Party pulled out of my own I voted Tory and will never vote Liebour again.

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Prime Ministers are rarely popular while in power, especially ones that lockdown the country three times in 10 months, Im surprised its only 43%.

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If Sir Kier was PM and shut the country down for all of last year, would that have made him more popular?

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What's the source for this "policy"?

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“Open the schools” doesn’t sound like lockdown to me.

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He wasnt, and didnt, so no one will ever know.
As a guess, he'd be just as unpopular, if not more.

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Guess Sir Keir would have to go it some to be better than Bozza's Covid response which has led to the most deaths in Europe.
https://timeline-of-failure.com/

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We are on the front foot with the vaccine, which will dramatically reduce deaths, leaving other countries still trying to get their acts together with mounting deaths while they get themselves organised with the vaccine. They will soon catch up, and surpass us with the death tolls, if they haven’t already done so.

They might like to revise their death tolls while they are at it to include EVERYONE who dies of Covid, and then you will see we’ve not done so badly after all. Excluding care home and community fatalities was a nice trick, but they’ve been rumbled.

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Agreed.He’s been constantly going on about how he would have locked down before Boris did. Would he really ever have let us out for the summer? I don’t think he had the nerve.

I suspect that under Kier, he would have been panicked into a lockdown and would have been intimidated by our dear scientists to keep us all locked up all summer long.

But as Paul says, I guess we will never know. However some of us can make an intelligent guess...

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Old Boy the UK stats don't include everyone who dies of Covid - as you well know - it only includes those with a positive test within 28 days.

Also your opinion that other countries will catch up - and surpass - our death toll. That is pure conjecture on your part.

It also ignores their potential to do what you've claimed we should do all along which is just shield those at risk.

If it's that easy - and I'm offering you some latitude here - surely other countries could do it while rolling out their shiny 95% effective vaccines?

Or do you finally concede that 'just shield those at risk' never has been, and never will be, a credible Covid-19 response for anyone, anywhere in the world?

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From the ‘Daily Telegraph’:

‘THE Welsh government has come under fire for a “truly bewildering” policy of delaying the coronavirus vaccine rollout, with the British Medical Association and No 10 leading the criticism.

Mark Drakeford, the First Minister, yesterday defended the slower rollout in Wales, claiming they were stringing out supplies of the Pfizer jab so vaccinators were not left idle. His government has faced criticism for vaccinating fewer people in proportion to its population than any other home nation.

However, rather than silencing his critics, his comments led to an immediate backlash. Dr David Bailey, chairman of the BMA in Wales said: “For the First Minister to say there is no point in using all the supplies in a week to ensure vaccinators aren’t standing around with nothing to do is truly bewildering”. He called on the Welsh Government “to stop sitting on supplies and get on with it”.’

Just one example of how Labour politicians think. Absolutely bewildering. I’m afraid Sir Kier seems little different to me.

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Just in case you missed it OB - I'd a couple of pertinent questions there on your inconsistencies re: all things covid.

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Curious as to whether there is anyone in the UK, or even the world, with an ongoing supply of the vaccine that has administered every single dose.

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which initself skews the figures as they may not have died of Covid. Either way you look at it the data is flawed.

By what % we don't know

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Indeed. The ONS data indicates a much higher death rate based on death certificates. I suppose country to country comparisons would require some kind of consistency to be helpful but OB has made a very bold claim there about deaths "catching up" considering he thinks a country can successfully both reopen an economy and shield the vulnerable with minimal deaths. Quite the contradiction I'm sure you'd agree.

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I'm not sure the data itself is flawed, perhaps the criteria used to define the data could be better?

As jfman indicates, another perhaps more accurate measure is to look at the additional deaths since the first Covid death compared to similar 12-month periods in previous years. But if this generates a higher figure than the 28-day figure then I can understand why the government would prefer the lower figure.

But all of this is incidental to Old Boy's catching-up claim.

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Well I think things could have been done better, especially as we came into Lockdowns 2 & 3 and before you ask no I don’t have all the alternatives but it surely couldn’t be beyond the wit of man to come up with something more sophisticated than more lockdowns. I’m not a fan of Lockdowns. I think I’ve been consistent on that.

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Well I think that is what was supposed to be the method as advised during the initial wave.

I would go as far to say 3-5 year average comparisons would probably be better.

Regardless of what the final numbers may be I doubt it’ll tell you much and I doubt comparisons to other countries stats will be helpful either

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If you're looking for perfection in stats, you won't find it but that shouldn't rule out benchmarking against peers.

During the initial wave, many Covid-related deaths were not identified as such as people were not tested so an excess deaths comparison is likely a more accurate indicator.

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Not exactly true, they also provide a count of those with covid 19 on the death certificate.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

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....And our stats include deaths in care homes and in the community. The inclusiveness of our figures compared with others is bound to result in a higher number.

Anyway, back on topic, Sir Kier has been more in favour of locking everyone down and being much more generous to everyone with payouts, which would certainly please some but I'm sure would frustrate many others, and make the state of the economy ten times worse.

In the good times, Labour squander the money and in bad times they squander the money we don't have.

Some people, bless them, find that an attractive proposition.

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Usually those who don't/won't work for a living.

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Can you actually provide an example of a country that's massaging their stats or as always is it mere conjecture on your part in your perpetual denial that the Conservative Party can possibly do anything wrong?

Can you actually quantify your claims that "more generous" payouts would make the economy worse? Fundamentally payments are there to support what was a functioning economy prior to the pandemic as a stop gap.

The alternative you propose is to throw people and businesses on the scrapheap. I wonder where those people end up? Universal Credit. Who pays? Government.

I'd be grateful if you could provide any coherent economic analysis that supports your claim. Even the great bastion of capitalism - the USA - is throwing $2trn at Covid relief. So there has to be an evidence base for it, unlike your simplistic Tories good / Labour bad union flag waving opinion pieces

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Doubtful he will.

It's important to note that I don't think there are any right answers here. If you lock down and contact trace, you run the risk of company failures and economic problems, and also have to massively invade people's privacy.

If you don't lock down, you run the risk of people dying (which may also create economic problems, if enough people die).

The countries that appear to have dealt with this the best are those that locked down early, and had efficient testing and tracing procedures. If you lock down early, you may still get business failures, but they will be minimised.

The efficient test and trace requires that people give up some privacy. South Korea's test and trace system relies on the government getting access to the population's financial records (they get a list of where anyone who has had a positive COVID test has used any credit or debit cards they have), people's phone location data. I can't see our government ever doing this, because while I don't know how much the South Koreans trust their government, our government has already shown it has links to people who would mine that kind of data for profit, so people don't trust them.

By locking down late, the lockdown is going to last longer and be more widespread, so will affect many more businesses for longer. Those businesses will also usually pay taxes, so there is a reduced income for the government. Locking down late also means there are many thousands more people to treat. While most people are not affected much by COVID, an increased number of COVID sufferers means increased treatment costs, and an increase in benefits.

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The stats come from PHE, they have nothing to do with the Conservative Party (or any party).
Strange how you are happy to take digs at them by complaining that others are not. :dozey:

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Stats get defined by Government and I've accepted the challenges and imperfections in any method - hence the difference between the PHE and ONS methodology.

That said - my only point here - was for Old Boy to inform us what other countries are obviously massaging theirs as he claims.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to point out where other posters are simply sycophantically following a party line. Especially when they pull out claims about other parties, or other countries, that are completely unfounded as OB frequently does.

If you want to rename the thread "Straw man hypothetical Starmer policies for Tories to bat down" then I'll take the hint.

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Im more likely to rename "jfmans argumentative topic because he thinks hes always right and everyone else is always wrong." :)

In fact, I could then merge about 6 other topics into it. :spin:

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Touché.

At least leave the Coronavirus one intact I quite enjoy battering right wing idiocy around there. The rest I'm indifferent to. Starmer is rubbish - he's just not rubbish for the imaginary reasons that Old Boy pulls out of thin air in here.

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Everything is as expected then. :D

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No point coming onto a forum to be agreed with all the time or to agree with others all the time. It would be boring. You won't develop your own arguments or understand their flaws.

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Indeed. That’s what Twitter is for. :D

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Looks like "Wallpapergate" doesn't gain any traction with voters concerned with more important matters like Covid and jobs.

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A shame, because while people are focusing on how much was spent, the focus should really be on how the it was funded - that's the real issue, and that is what is being obfuscated.

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The issue is corruption not wallpaper. A successful country needs to be free of corruption in order to prosper and to create jobs.

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Prob 3 years to the election that counts..
3 more years of Tory sleaze revelations, from Cummings, and the Brexit/covid economic reality to hit home. The lovable buffoon act and repeated lies will wear thin.

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Met up with a friend for a few beers in an outdoor beer garden last night in Otley - he's a SpAD in one of the Ministries, and the betting money is heavily on a lot of stuff coming out about Dido Harding...

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Has anyone told Keir Starmer?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1619777893

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Has Dido done a new album or something? ;)

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I agree - it's demeaning when politicians do things like this...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/04/1.jpeg
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/04/4.jpg

https://static.politico.com/dims4/de...er-gty-773.jpg

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Her lyrics from "White Flag" are quite prophetic... :D