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Outclassed and outplayed in every corner of the pitch.

Chelsea werent awful Southampton were fantastic.

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Southampton were very much deserving winners no doubt about that.

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As were Man United after a shaky start. After 20 minutes Newcastle just stopped playing.

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Indeed Newcastle were like the old Newcastle after those first 20 minutes.

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Destroyed. No disrespect to Leicester but their league position has a lot to do with how crap the usual big boys are playing this season, they've been in this game about 12 minutes in total.

Don't let this slip? Think the wait is finally over.

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Long way to go yet adzii as its a marathon and not a sprint especially going into the deep winter months..

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Only one other team in PL history has thrown away a lead of 10 or more points past Christmas. :erm:

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And King Kevin led them.;)

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Question of whether Liverpool can win the league will be changed to whether Liverpool can win the league without losing soon.

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Remember 4 times in the last 30 years we have been top at Christmas and each time we failed at the end of the season.

Its not over until the fat lady sings.

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Bad news for United, Scott McTominay has suffered knee ligament damage. :(

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Why did he not go off when he was hobbling badly? as he has made it worse by staying on.

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Feel for Emerson. Think it's a red regardless but that's some horrifying play acting. You'd think he'd broken his arm. Get up you muppet.

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Definitely a red but yes the usual play-acting.:(

Oh dear more diving and Atkinson has given a penalty.:rofl:

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Some actual justified VAR. Only Sterling could miss twice and still score.

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He's stood on his foot. That's what the player was alluding too. Everyone including the commentator assumed he'd been pulled. It's a penalty. The ref missed it VAR didn't. So far this is a fair refereeing performance. It's a red card simply for denying a goal scoring opportunity and it's a penalty for missing the ball and standing on his foot.

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Well if that is a penalty then we might has well award 10 penalties in each match because some of these VAR decisions are beyond a joke.

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Yeah generally when you miss the ball and stand on the player that'd be a foul. Not sure what you're watching. Everyone else's clearly watching the tug. Watch the feet. He literally steps on him. In football boots. That weigh nothing.

There shouldn't have been a reason for a retake. If both sets of players are encroaching it should nullify the other out. Two shocking penalties from Sterling.

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If only Southgate could get out of Sterling what Guardiola can. I take it all back. He might have only managed big clubs but after having Benitez, these blokes are in a class of their own.

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Oh dear Man City's defending comes to the fore again.:D

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How on earth could you call that a fair, shoulder to shoulder challenge from Traore, he barged Mendy in the back?:rolleyes:

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Absolute rubbish as what do you want a game of snowflakes or a game of men playing the game as Mendy got dispossessed Jim.

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Ederson would've saved that. He's down way too late. Harsh on City this but not sure where I stand on Wolves' second goal. If you give that then the easiest way to draw a foul is to stand in front of the ball with your arms out. It's a dodgy one.

Losing Aguero so early is a game changer with the red.

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He did exactly the same challenge on Sterling at the other and and it was a free kick, I’m all for a good shoulder charge but I still maintain he barged Mendy in the back. Granted he should have got rid quicker but that was a foul, no question.

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Well we will disagree on that Jim.:)

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The game is football, not rugby.:p:

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But is it not a game where fair physical challenges are still allowed or is it a non contact sport now.

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There is a fair physical challenge and a barge in the back, that was a barge in the back.

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Well we will still disagree.:p:

You must be happy with your bigger City rivals losing again tonight Jim.:p:

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They might have bottomless pit of oil money which has bought recent success but they will never be as big as United.:p:

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That is the answer l most expected.:p:

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Have you booked adz, ?

https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2...-hJymDrl7qq0Zo

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Turning up to see a Newcastle game is something I'm just unwilling to do. Even skipped watching matches this season. Breaking my neck to just watch them with work scheduling became worthless when the fatty turfed Benitez off then had to go through 11 rejections from various managers to eventually landing on Steve Bruce, the only guy daft enough to take such an awful job.

I was annoyed and angry at the start. With form like the £40m Joelinton, I'm still both but now worried given the only reason he was bought was for future value :rolleyes:

We always had the impression that despite being an absolute arse, Ashley had a business plan, he knew what he was doing in business form at least. Given the Sports Direct International revelations (Belgian tax and absolute disastrous HoF and Game purchases) then delaying conferences because he knew the stock would absolutely tank. All that really told me is he really is just an arse, not a clever businessman, an absolute gambler that's really starting to go backwards fast.

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3rd goal of the season disallowed because the players armpit was judged to be offside. Getting as embarrassing as the world cup this. Imagine having a system to allegedly make it easier but ran by the people the same people we were trying to make it replace :rolleyes:

Spurs then score, of course they do.

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So that's a no then. :D

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM5NBIRXYAQDaUW.jpg:large

That's dismal. Really dismal.

It would appear that those behind the monitors in the VAR room are doing everything in their power to make sure it looks absolutely crap. Once again, VAR isn't an issue, the people using it are, just like the World Cup which produced some hilarious decisions. Seemingly also forgot, to be used to correct a clear and obvious error. As above with the other two armpit mysteries, what was clear or obvious?

A) We really need to review the crap out of clear and obvious
B) We need to change offside rules to be measured from the feet.
C) Mimicking A, if it's not clear and obvious an attacker gets the benefit of any decision. Being ahead by an armpit or a few centimeters hasn't gained him any monumental advantage. If you have to actually draw a line to compare and can't work it out simply via naked eye then he's automatically onside.

This isn't Formula One, where a millisecond is a lot.

There doesn't seem to be an issue in any other league when it comes to stuff like this. They give the attacker the benefit. The FA and Premier League are embarrassing themselves.

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Another manager bites the dust..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50362337

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VAR the star of the show again it seems.:(

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Struggling to believe this is actually happening.

Until the FA fixes this absolute mess then they've got no choice but to go with it. They've already made an arse of it that many times it's impossible to turn back now.

On what planet is the resolution used in VAR high enough to determine if anyone is truly offside by millimetres.

Can we at the very least get the referee going to check a monitor.

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Why are the Premier League not using the monitor like they do in every other major league..

Its absolutely crazy.

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Meet West Hams new manager.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50942538

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1https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50960288
Recognised the name. Can't recall anything on him being removed. Shows you how much attention refs really get. Unless you're Howard Webb.

Re: the article, out of context or not. You've made a right arse of it. Tit. Not really sure how he's managed to get this article. This isn't PC culture gone mad. Mocking disabilities was never a cool joke for the lads. Thankfully the world woke up. Filming someone with a walking impairment the using it as your own gag. Classless. Hope the joke with the lads was worth his job.

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Looking back I've somehow managed to miss the part where the FA basically covered this up. :erm:

Anyway it's 8am and we haven't signed anyone yet.

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Indeed the FA being their usual secretive self decided in their interests not to tell the rest of the world..

So much for a open and transparant image they try to portray.

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VAR. They've done it again. They don't have a choice now. You can't pull the rules halfway through. A serious look into it is needed come the seasons end.

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That looks inevitable adzii.

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As soon as you introduce ambiguity real problems will start.

At the moment it is a zero tolerance situation which is not open to interpretation by an individual - either a bit, however small, is offside or it isn't.

Leave it as it is, it's the same rules for everyone.

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Don't you think they should have the TV video screen on the touchline as and when it is required by the referee?.

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Except they're measuring the offsides at two completely different points on a resolution that can't be enhanced or zoomed. If it's not clear with the naked eye then they're very literally guessing. Your point would be valid if they could actually distinguish whether someone's armpit was on or offside. They can't. They'd need a goal line technology system running the entire length of the pitch. So right now they're measuring straight lines at completely different perspectives and then attempting to draw lines to players off said line. Unless it's clear and obvious that an offside has occurred the system does not cater for anything other. It's physically impossible to make decisions with 100% accuracy like the ones they're attempting to do now so as above, they're literally guessing. Every other league in the world knows this, except us.

It's not hawk-eye or goal line technology. It's a replay that has very little give. They're attempting to use replays to make Millimetre decisions. It can't be done.

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https://twitter.com/WeAre_MUFC/statu...823301/photo/1

Off or on. Again, measuring from a perspective that couldn't possibly give you a valid outcome.
https://twitter.com/FIFuturesTrader/...845504/photo/2
Same incident with the resolution they're working with.

Change the rules to do the opposite. Every single decision that needs this level of scrutiny with a system not fit to provide a conclusive answer is a goal. Don't get me wrong though, as per my previous post. They have to keep doing this until the end of the season now for consistency purposes, they can't change it till then.

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I hear what you are saying Adz.

Maybe it's the offside rule that needs rewriting?

I'm not suggesting VAR is perfect but it's better than what we had to catch the cheats.

Having said that bizarre decision not to give a penalty against alderweireld today....

NVM great result :D

PS when you score a disallowed offside goal and get injured - priceless

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Not sure I would class 95% of offsides as cheating. Diving, tactical fouls, handball, time wasting, feigning injury are all cheating but virtually all offsides are just genuine attacking attempts.

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Not sure it was meant in that context. Definitely more a reference to blatant diving and handballs etc.

This will be re-applied and likely now enforced come next season.

Basically if it can't be rectified with the naked eye then no offside is given.

The other issue with VAR - It's only ever as good as the people sat behind the screens. It can absolutely get something horribly wrong. World Cup had some stinkers. It's a penalty, we had rule changes to clarify it and with VAR they still got it double wrong. I mean the Ref missing it isn't much better.

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An absolute waste of money, time and effort. For all the good it is you may as well toss a coin . . heads it's offside, tails it isn't.

Can't believe people are suggesting changing the offside rule (again) just so it fits into the VAR framework :D :D

As mentioned though, if it's something clear and obvious that the officials missed I don't (can't) see a problem with it, trying to measure millimeter accuracy however, is simply guesswork :rolleyes:

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Despite my previous post, changing the offside rule won't make a Difference. Someone rightfully pointed out they'll still try and measure feet. The answer thankfully lies within the IFA guidance and I'm sure FIFA's intervention inevitably. That guidance is quoted above. So long as they enforce it we'll be OK. The system works when used correctly. See the Mahrez offside. No lines drawn, he was visibly offside to anyone that seen it. It was clear and obvious.

The second clarification we desperately need is the onfield referee must go over to the monitor as does a ref in any other league.

Lastly. I'm nearly joining the conspiracy that this is a total smear campaign from both a league and refereeing association that were verbally against VAR. Very literally using it in the exact way nobody suggested it be used.

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You could be on to something there, it would explain some of the more 'bizarre' decisions made ;)

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Three more points on a very long and winding road.:D

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Well deserved equaliser for The Dale, much better side than Toon in second half.:)

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A nice lucrative replay for them.:)

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Should have been in the next round, golden chance missed near the end.:(

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Now that would have been something for adzii to swallow.:D

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Good grief, I will have to watch another 90 minutes of that at OT now.:rolleyes:

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You have made my day punk..:D:D

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Kinda get used to it. It's embarrassing. Not that we couldn't beat Rochdale but because it's the FA cup and once again we're already looking for a way out. Only Steve Bruce could snatch a draw from a game they clearly wanted to lose. At the very least we've given them a replay and a bit more money. Steve Bruce is embarrassing but we've consistently done this even under Benitez. We see the FA cup as a detriment.

I bet the lower league lads loved getting a battering off Man City in a star studded game. Much preferable to playing the lumbering Joelinton. :D

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Only one set of supporters singing about the "pride of Manchester" tonight as its men against novices from where l am looking..;)

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Guess they're having 6 again. :erm:

Different level.

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And the second leg to come for those United fans prone to pessimism.:D

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Actually said to the missus as I left for the match I had a bad feeling about tonight. Too many players injured or knackered. When I saw Jones and Lingard starting it confirmed my worst fears.

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Jones has never done it for me Jim in a United shirt as United need to find a Dolly and Daisy partnership again and Lingaard seems to have gone backyards from his original promise in my view.

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Jessie is English Den, only one A. ;)

Missing 2 first choice midfielders, your best centre back and first choice left back after 3 hard games against Burnley who kicked anything that moved, then Arsenal and Wolves away whilst City had a stroll against Port Vale was bound to tell.:(

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Its called old age Jim.;)

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Did that come from that old trusty book of excuses.:D

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Reasons Den, reasons along with not being good enough in several areas.;)

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l will give you that Jim but as you have pointed the problems run deeper then that.

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Awesome performance today again.

The 9-0 loss earlier this season was a freak result.

Talking of freaks great to see retardy not on the scoresheet. :D

PS I suspect you like the result too Den ;)

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All you can really learn from today at OT is that Norwich are very poor.

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It was most agreeable l have to say Julian.:D

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Relegation?.

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Will take a miracle from here on in, how did they beat Man City?:shocked:

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God knows how they beat Man City.:shocked:

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Very loud and prolonged chanting of GLAZERS OUT and even louder chants of WOODWARD YOUR A W****R today.

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l cannot say l am surprised as even though United are our rivals l feel sorry for the supporters as we had the same scenario under Hicks and Gillett but praise be to god they are a distant memory now.

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Villa playing like relegation fodder ATM.:(

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They might have well not turned up for the match today.:(

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Well it was certainly a big improvement on the 1st match, Wolves are a very strong, physical but skilful side. Rashford a bit of a worry though.:(

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Looking forward to Sunday Jim as United stand far more chance of taking points then any other premiership side has this season.

Its going to be a very difficult match IMO for Liverpool as United seem to do well against us.

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Roma president wants to takeover Newcastle. Good luck. People with more money have tried.

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Another 2 club banker?

I notice watford have been buying 'swapping' players between clubs again

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Roma is in the process of being sold so he'll ultimately be free. Just not sure he quite knows what he's dealing with here. If he's expecting to just land up in Newcastle with the idea of buying the club he's in for a shock. As above. People with more money have tried.

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I get the feeling Ashley doesn't really want to sell . .

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Three more points on our journey hopefully to the promised land.:D

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Oh dear Ole can't be too far away from receiving a knock on his door soon and l am pretty sure it won't be a nice bonus being given to him.:D:D

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Possibly the worst performance I have seen at home. Nothing will get better until the Glazers thieving hands are removed.

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On that we agree Jim but l expect the manager will be the one and only one going through the door as usual.:rolleyes:

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Any idea of how much that would cost, and anyone who would want to pay it?

I guess you could become a rich <insert nationality here> plaything instead of an American one :p:

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The big difference between the Glazers and the Chelsea, Man City, PSG owners is the fact they lumbered the most profitable club in the world with massive debts and to date have also leeched over 1 billion pounds out of the club.

Vague rumours about the Saudis a while back but they are even more toxic than the PSG and Man City image washing arabs.:rolleyes:

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It will be interesting what views you have about our owners Jim?.;)

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After Hicks and Gillett anything was bound to bzrushes an improvement. They do appear to be as interested in what goes on on the field as well as looking at the bottom line.

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l wanted to ask your opinion as sometimes some supporters are blinded by their rose tinted loyalties to a club.

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How on Earth did be become bzrushes???

I will say that I don’t subscribe to the current hype about Liverpool being the greatest side the world has seen etc, etc.

It’s very much more of a Leicester City thing imho. When the Foxes won the league everyone rightly pointed out that the so called big six at that time were inconsistent, taking points of each other.

I cannot remember a time during the Premiership years when Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have all been so unpredictability average at the same time. Man City have also slipped a little, failing to recruit in certain areas this season.

This Liverpool side is a very good side but it is not as good as the City side of the last two seasons, the Chelsea Premiership winning teams, Arsenal’s invincibles or the United sides who won the Premiership 3 times on the trot on 2 separate occasions.

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:confused::confused:

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Media hyperbole as usual..

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Well done to Leicester but l cannot see that happening again in my lifetime.

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Perhaps if they stuck to the method of continuity the consistency would not be as bad.

Indeed City have leaked goals all season which has cost them.

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Who said they were as good as any of those sides?

What Liverpool do have is a manager who's methods get the best out of every player and a club system of getting the right players in instead of throwing 100 million here and a 100 million there and hoping it will produce trophies.

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You answered your last question at the top of your post, something I alluded to in my post, hyperbole.

And 75 million for VVD has made the big difference, that and somehow getting 142 million for Couthino.

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I thought most of the debts the 'bigger' clubs have are sustainable debts . . . trouble I see is that anything less than a top 5 finish probably impacts on the sustainability.

Agree with Den, getting the right players in to suit the system played goes a great way towards success . . until a new manager changes the system of course :D

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That was a great bit of business that is for sure plus for the rest of the cash We finally got a decent keeper in as well.

Harry Maguire would you have paid £80 million for him?.

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You are probably right Carth.

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Well l will be happy if Herr Klopp stays longer longer then ones Mother-in-law or shall l say a period longer then Fergie time.:D

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Just perusing Facebook and this amusing juxtaposition of posts came up on my feed.:D

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l see what you mean.:D