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Mr K 22-06-2019 14:47
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35999925)
The Snollygoster in chief JohnsonB is the most likely winner. Tory members love him and will forgive his peccadillos.
Some might do, but it might give the more conservative of Conservatives pause for thought when they put a cross in the box. That nice family man Mr Hunt or twice divorced, raucous, foot in mouth, Baboon Boris and his livewire latest lover....

papa smurf 22-06-2019 15:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999944)
Some might do, but it might give the more conservative of Conservatives pause for thought when they put a cross in the box. That nice family man Mr Hunt or twice divorced, raucous, foot in mouth, Baboon Boris and his livewire latest lover....
You make hunt sound like a liberal

Mick 22-06-2019 15:20
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35999928)
Liking the phrase "snollygoster" :)
I am not - this is not a childs playground, people need to grow up and stop the ridiculous and childish name calling and refer to people by the proper names - this is not a kindergarten FFS. :rolleyes:

Angua 22-06-2019 15:31
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35999952)
I am not - this is not a childs playground, people need to grow up and stop the ridiculous and childish name calling and refer to people by the proper names - this is not a kindergarten FFS. :rolleyes:
An American word that fits.

One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.

Is a word that accurately describes a person no longer allowed?

OLD BOY 22-06-2019 15:47
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999872)
In your opinion as debates are part and parcel of being a politician applying for the job of becoming the next prime minister of this country.
Our TV debates seem to be geared to asking a lot of questions and talking over the answers, leaving everyone none the wiser.

Mick 22-06-2019 16:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35999955)
An American word that fits.

One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.

Is a word that accurately describes a person no longer allowed?
This is not America and neither is Boris.

It depends on the word used. But well done - you knew what it meant, others may not, that's the issue. I have never come across that word. I shouldn't have to look it up to work it out, that's the issue and why we call people by their names.

I was repeatedly berated in 2017 for referring to Labour as "IRAbour", after many complaints and internal discussions, I agreed to refer to groups or individuals, using their proper names. If I can do it, so can others.

Angua 22-06-2019 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35999963)
This is not America and neither is Boris.

It depends on the word used. But well done - you knew what it meant, others may not, that's the issue. I have never come across that word. I shouldn't have to look it up to work it out, that's the issue and why we call people by their names.

I was repeatedly berated in 2017 for referring to Labour as "IRAbour", after many complaints and internal discussions, I agreed to refer to groups or individuals, using their proper names. If I can do it, so can others.
He did have dual nationality UK/US for a while until he renounced his US citizenship.

Carth 22-06-2019 17:53
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999923)
Maybe, just maybe, you’re making stuff up?

There’s no speculation about the fact there was an argument and the police were called - numerous neighbours heard the argument and saw the police.

As is everyone else it seems.
You don't know the details, I don't know the details

No doubt about an arguement . . . but who started it and why is the talking point (but obviously Boris is the bad guy 'cos everyone says so) :rolleyes:

OLD BOY 22-06-2019 18:30
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999885)
He doesn't seem like your happily married 2.2 children type the Tory crinklies crave. Hunt is in the race after all. Be a laugh if a remainer wins, when they've discarded leaver Gove..... Serves them right tbh.
He's just a regular guy with the usual human failings. Not like these 'butter wouldn't melt' establishment figures.

That's why people like him, which is something those on the other side don't get. Young people like him too, which is a plus for the Conservatives.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35999919)
Maybe, just maybe, she was having a 'bad experience' because of something she'd taken (or not taken for a while) and Boris was simply putting his foot down saying she had to quit whatever habit she possibly has?

just looking at it from a different angle, probably wrong, but no different to any other wild guess being speculated on ;) :D
I think he was looking at porn on his tablet, and when she tried to grab it (the tablet :erm:), he spilt his red wine.

You have to sympathise with him really! :D:D

ianch99 22-06-2019 18:44
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999977)
He's just a regular guy with the usual human failings. Not like these 'butter wouldn't melt' establishment figures.

That's why people like him, which is something those on the other side don't get. Young people like him too, which is a plus for the Conservatives.
Get real OB, stop making things up again. "Regular guy " .. loved this one! "People like him"? I am sure some do, poor things, but really?

and the best one: "Young people like him too" What a porky! In 2016, 69 per cent of 18-to-30-year-olds wanted the UK to remain in the EU so yeah, they really like someone who will not only take us of of the EU but do it on disastrous No Deal terms.

Of course if you have some facts to back up your claims, please share ..

Too much sherry today, perhaps? ;)

OLD BOY 22-06-2019 19:14
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999944)
Some might do, but it might give the more conservative of Conservatives pause for thought when they put a cross in the box. That nice family man Mr Hunt or twice divorced, raucous, foot in mouth, Baboon Boris and his livewire latest lover....
Hooray, a human politician at last!

Hugh 22-06-2019 19:18
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999977)
He's just a regular guy with the usual human failings. Not like these 'butter wouldn't melt' establishment figures.

That's why people like him, which is something those on the other side don't get. Young people like him too, which is a plus for the Conservatives.

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I think he was looking at porn on his tablet, and when she tried to grab it (the tablet :erm:), he spilt his red wine.

You have to sympathise with him really! :D:D
You must mix in some strange circles...

Most of the ‘regular guys’ I know haven’t had multiple mistresses, had one of their mistresses have abortions, or has fathered at least one and probably two children with mistresses, although he has never publicly acknowledged the latter and only acknowledged the former after a three-year legal battle with a newspaper, and has been fired repeatedly for lying (once from the Telegraph and once from the post of Shadow Arts Minister)...

OLD BOY 22-06-2019 19:23
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35999982)
Get real OB, stop making things up again. "Regular guy " .. loved this one! "People like him"? I am sure some do, poor things, but really?

and the best one: "Young people like him too" What a porky! In 2016, 69 per cent of 18-to-30-year-olds wanted the UK to remain in the EU so yeah, they really like someone who will not only take us of of the EU but do it on disastrous No Deal terms.

Of course if you have some facts to back up your claims, please share ..

Too much sherry today, perhaps? ;)
Brexit and Boris are not exactly the same. True, the majority of young people seem to favour the remain camp, largely owing to the indoctrination going on in schools, colleges and universities.

But they do listen to Boris, and I think many could be persuaded of the benefits of leaving. I think young people may end up listening more intently to Boris than their teachers and lecturers.

I never cease to be surprised to hear what my 8-year-old grandson is being taught at school. In my day, teachers were not allowed to spout their own political opinions in the classroom, which is how it should be.

denphone 22-06-2019 19:24
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999987)
Hooray, a human politician at last!
Yes he bullshits and lies just like the others....

OLD BOY 22-06-2019 19:26
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999989)
You must mix in some strange circles...

Most of the ‘regular guys’ I know haven’t had multiple mistresses, had one of their mistresses have abortions, or has fathered at least one and probably two children with mistresses, although he has never publicly acknowledged the latter and only acknowledged the former after a three-year legal battle with a newspaper, and has been fired repeatedly for lying (once from the Telegraph and once from the post of Shadow Arts Minister)...
Nor anyone I know, either. But the admiration for his escapades is universal!

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999991)
Yes he bullshits and lies just like the others....
Just like the majority of the population, I guess.

denphone 22-06-2019 19:28
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999992)

Just like the majority of the population, I guess.
My parents put soap in my mouth if l ever lied..

Maggy 22-06-2019 20:07
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999990)
Brexit and Boris are not exactly the same. True, the majority of young people seem to favour the remain camp, largely owing to the indoctrination going on in schools, colleges and universities.

But they do listen to Boris, and I think many could be persuaded of the benefits of leaving. I think young people may end up listening more intently to Boris than their teachers and lecturers.

I never cease to be surprised to hear what my 8-year-old grandson is being taught at school. In my day, teachers were not allowed to spout their own political opinions in the classroom, which is how it should be.
I very much doubt that. The majority of young people I know don't want to leave the EU.

Mick 22-06-2019 20:09
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35999982)
What a porky! In 2016, 69 per cent of 18-to-30-year-olds wanted the UK to remain in the EU so yeah
And they wanted to Remain so much that they got off their arse, went out and voted to Remain, oh wait... :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
Too much sherry today, perhaps? ;)
Enough of this belittling bullshit ^^^. I am going to start cracking down hard on people who talk to others like this.

OLD BOY 22-06-2019 20:19
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36000005)
I very much doubt that. The majority of young people I know don't want to leave the EU.
I wonder why?

Teacher, leave them kids alone!

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999994)
My parents put soap in my mouth if l ever lied..
Ah, the good old days!

Lloyd George wasn't a saint, either, was he?

ianch99 22-06-2019 20:34
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36000009)
I wonder why?
Easy .. because they are (now, more than ever) aware, both politically and socially, of the benefits of remaining part of the EU.

Back on topic, the choice of Johnson is to be welcomed I suppose. At least he will hasten the demise of the Tory Party and bring the country back from the brink.

1andrew1 22-06-2019 21:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999977)
He's just a regular guy...
What makes him a regular guy?

Hugh 22-06-2019 21:19
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999992)
Nor anyone I know, either. But the admiration for his escapades is universal!

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Just like the majority of the population, I guess.
Erm, no....

Hugh 22-06-2019 21:23
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000022)
What makes him a regular guy?
Zaphod’s just this guy, you know...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1561231357

TheDaddy 22-06-2019 21:50
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999989)
You must mix in some strange circles...

Most of the ‘regular guys’ I know haven’t had multiple mistresses, had one of their mistresses have abortions, or has fathered at least one and probably two children with mistresses, although he has never publicly acknowledged the latter and only acknowledged the former after a three-year legal battle with a newspaper, and has been fired repeatedly for lying (once from the Telegraph and once from the post of Shadow Arts Minister)...
Bet most of us aren't in a position to call a part time jobs 250k remuneration chicken feed either, man of the people, regular guy :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999992)
Nor anyone I know, either. But the admiration for his escapades is universal!

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Just like the majority of the population, I guess.
Universal? I don't admire it and I also think if he's capable of lying and deceiving those he should care for most what chance have the rest of us plebs got, honesty, integrity and honour are traits bereft in this man and they should be the least we should expect from any politician

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000022)
What makes him a regular guy?
Plenty of fibre I'd expect

1andrew1 23-06-2019 07:29
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Contest heating up!
Quote:
The Tory leadership contest erupted in acrimony last night as Jeremy Hunt said Boris Johnson did not “deserve” to lead the country unless he answered questions about his “character”.
In an astonishing escalation of hostilities, cabinet allies of Hunt claimed that Johnson’s colourful private life meant he was a security risk and vulnerable to blackmail from foreign powers.
The foreign secretary rounded on Johnson after police were called to the flat the frontrunner shares with his girlfriend Carrie Symonds, after an explosive row in the early hours of Friday. Johnson refused four times to explain what had happened as the No 10 contenders faced off at the first of 16 hustings around the country yesterday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...hunt-07l86nc8r

denphone 23-06-2019 07:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000042)
Indeed...

Quote:
A poll conducted yesterday showed support for Johnson had fallen sharply following the incident. His eight-point lead for the Tory crown earlier in the week had fallen to three points behind rival Jeremy Hunt by yesterday morning. Among Tory voters, when asked who would make the best prime minister, Johnson’s lead had slumped from 27% to 11% in the same period, according to Survation, who carried out the polls for the Mail on Sunday.
Quote:
Senior Tories were quick to raise fresh concerns over the former foreign secretary’s suitablity for No 10 as the favourite to succeed Theresa May stonewalled question after question about the incident at the first hustings of the leadership contest in front of party members.
Quote:
Foreign office minister Alan Duncan, who worked under Johnson said his former boss now had a “big question mark over his head” adding that he had shown a “lack of discipline” throughout his career.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...night-argument

Maggy 23-06-2019 10:01
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Teflon Boris will survive..

papa smurf 23-06-2019 10:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36000050)
Teflon Boris will survive..
At first I was afraid, I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side
But then I spent so many nights thinking how you did me wrong
And I grew strong
And I learned how to get along
And so you're back
From outer space
I just walked in to find you here with that sad look upon your face
I should have changed that stupid lock, I should have made you leave your key
If I'd known for just one second you'd be back to bother me
Go on now, go, walk out the door
Just turn around now
'Cause you're not welcome anymore ;)

denphone 23-06-2019 10:28
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36000050)
Teflon Boris will survive..
No doubt about it but like all cooking utensils the life span can be very unpredictable.;)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000055)
At first I was afraid, I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side
But then I spent so many nights thinking how you did me wrong
And I grew strong
And I learned how to get along
And so you're back
From outer space
I just walked in to find you here with that sad look upon your face
I should have changed that stupid lock, I should have made you leave your key
If I'd known for just one second you'd be back to bother me
Go on now, go, walk out the door
Just turn around now
'Cause you're not welcome anymore ;)
She has a nice voice at this time of the day.;)

Chris 23-06-2019 10:34
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ianch99 23-06-2019 10:34
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000042)
But we want the nice Mr Johnson! Hunt is almost certainly a better statesman and politician and so could steady the Tory sinking ship.

Boris will almost certainly sink it ... and who will be manning the rescue craft? Be very afraid, here comes the nice Cap'n Corbyn:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/06/11.jpg

Chris 23-06-2019 11:07
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We’ll that’s it isn’t it. Ultimately the argument within the Tory party membership is - or should be - who can beat Corbyn? If Boris weathers this perfectly timed storm and still has better recognition and approval in public polls at the end of the process, then the purely political calculation is that they must choose him.

Maggy 23-06-2019 11:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I've got my fingers crossed.

Carth 23-06-2019 11:19
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36000073)
I've got my fingers crossed.
*knock knock*

Morning Madam, could I interest you in some lucky heather? Possibly a rabbits foot perhaps?
I'm afraid the voodoo dolls resembling politicians have all been snapped up by the media, but I'm hoping there will be a new batch arriving shortly

:D :D

Damien 23-06-2019 11:25
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
The Times is reporting there will be moves afoot to Vote of No Confidence a Boris Johnson led government within 24 hours. Based on a small number of Tories MPs being willing to do so with of two of them defecting too.

Carth 23-06-2019 11:35
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36000077)
Based on a small number of Tories MPs being willing to do so with of two of them defecting too.
There will be a few more to come . . I forget the actual number of those who failed in the leadership contest ;)

1andrew1 23-06-2019 11:52
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36000080)
There will be a few more to come . . I forget the actual number of those who failed in the leadership contest ;)
Many in the leadership contest are hoping for cabinet positions with one of the winners.

papa smurf 23-06-2019 11:54
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000084)
Many in the leadership contest are hoping for cabinet positions with one of the winners.
Many have been offered the same job ;)

ianch99 23-06-2019 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000085)
Many have been offered the same job ;)
Yup, Minister for Lifeboats :) All aboard ...

1andrew1 23-06-2019 12:00
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000085)
Many have been offered the same job ;)
By the same person? ;)

papa smurf 23-06-2019 12:17
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000089)
By the same person? ;)
I read in the papers that that is the case.

1andrew1 23-06-2019 14:09
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Another BoJo denial exposed and more US interference in UK politics.

2018. Boris Johnson dismissed any association with Steve Bannon, calling the theory a “lefty delusion whose spores continue to breed in the Twittersphere”. Steve Bannon is Donald Trump's former adviser who quit in August 2017.

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Mr Bannon, who helped propel Mr Trump into the White House, disclosed that he offered advice by text message ahead of Mr Johnson’s resignation speech in the House of Commons on July 18 2018...

The Klayman clip, obtained by The Observer newspaper, shows Mr Bannon reading a Daily Telegraph article about Mr Johnson’s resignation speech. “Today we are going to see if Boris Johnson tries to overthrow the British government. He’s going to give a speech in the Commons,” Mr Bannon told the director. “I’ve been talking to him all weekend about this speech. We went back and forth over the text.”

Mr Bannon said he had got to know Mr Johnson during the transition period after Mr Trump’s election victory. He had been urging the foreign secretary to give a repeat of his “important” speech in the final hours of the Leave campaign in June 2016....

On Sunday a spokesman said it would be reasonable for a foreign secretary and a chief of staff to the US president to communicate. However, the text messages occurred nearly a year after Mr Bannon had quit the White House in August 2017.
https://www.ft.com/content/68896b0a-...b-30c211dcd229

Mick 23-06-2019 15:43
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000104)
Another BoJo denial exposed and more US interference in UK politics.

2018. Boris Johnson dismissed any association with Steve Bannon, calling the theory a “lefty delusion whose spores continue to breed in the Twittersphere”. Steve Bannon is Donald Trump's former adviser who quit in August 2017.


https://www.ft.com/content/68896b0a-...b-30c211dcd229
Just like President Obama interfered in our EU referendum then in 2016 with his blackmail threat, I have maintained though he actually helped our cause but still, interference is interference right?

Unless you conveniently forgot about that, like you always do when the liberal side have done the exact same thing. :dozey: :rolleyes:

ianch99 23-06-2019 15:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36000120)
Just like President Obama interfered in our EU referendum then in 2016 with his blackmail threat, I have maintained though he actually helped our cause but still, interference is interference right?

Unless you conveniently forgot about that, like you always do when the liberal side have done the exact same thing. :dozey: :rolleyes:
You are missing Andrew's point. He is pointing out Johnson is lying to our faces when he says he had nothing to do with Bannon. Our prospective Prime Minister is a serial liar .. who knew?

pip08456 23-06-2019 15:51
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Bannon - Such a truthful person.

Mr K 23-06-2019 15:59
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000122)
You are missing Andrew's point. He is pointing out Johnson is lying to our faces when he says he had nothing to do with Bannon. Our prospective Prime Minister is a serial liar .. who knew?
Well he's been sacked from 3 jobs for lying, at least he's consistent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8929076.html

Mick 23-06-2019 16:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000122)
You are missing Andrew's point. He is pointing out Johnson is lying to our faces when he says he had nothing to do with Bannon. Our prospective Prime Minister is a serial liar .. who knew?
I have missed no point and I won't have you tell me so. But...Oh dear a politician who lies - never heard of one of them before have you not - Jeez?

Get a grip. Most if not all politicians lie. Theresa May lied, Blair lied - Brown lied - Corbyn lies - Liberal Democrats have LIED - It's what makes a politics, politics.

ianch99 23-06-2019 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36000130)
I have missed no point and I won't have you tell me so. But...Oh dear a politician who lies - never heard of one of them before have you not - Jeez?

Get a grip. Most if not all politicians lie. Theresa May lied, Blair lied - Brown lied - Corbyn lies - Liberal Democrats have LIED - It's what makes a politics, politics.
There's lying and then there is Boris lying .. he has taken it to a new level and made it an Olympic event.

The Scottish Tories are not happy either:

Boris Johnson as PM would be 'catastrophe' for UK, say Scottish Tories

Quote:
Senior Scottish Conservatives fear Boris Johnson’s election as Tory leader could be a “catastrophe” for the UK, because it is likely to turbo-charge the campaign for Scottish independence.

Senior Tories believe Johnson’s zeal for Brexit will immediately boost support for a fresh referendum – a view echoed by Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, on Sunday. Johnson as prime minister would be “devastating, disastrous” for the party and make the case for independence stronger than ever, she said.
This is the best bit :)

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A Panelbase poll in the Sunday Times Scotland this weekend found support for independence would jump to 53% if Johnson became prime minister, giving the yes campaign a six-point lead. It found he has a popularity rating among Scottish voters of -37, a worse rating than Nigel Farage.
Worse than Farage!!!! :)

Mick 23-06-2019 17:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000132)
There's lying and then there is Boris lying .. he has taken it to a new level and made it an Olympic event.

The Scottish Tories are not happy either:

Boris Johnson as PM would be 'catastrophe' for UK, say Scottish Tories



This is the best bit :)



Worse than Farage!!!! :)
Far fetched rubbish.

There is no such thing as Boris lying - there is lying and nothing else - it's just a type of "derangement syndrome" to be obsessed with certain politicians who lie. Majority of them lie and distort the truth, so stop being a bloody hypocrite.

Not interested in reading something written in the garbage Guardian - not interested in reading one sided Fake News from a pathetic liberal gutter rag.

ianch99 23-06-2019 17:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36000138)
Far fetched rubbish.

There is no such thing as Boris lying - there is lying and nothing else - it's just a type of "derangement syndrome" to be obsessed with certain politicians who lie. Majority of them lie and distort the truth, so stop being a bloody hypocrite.

Not interested in reading something written in the garbage Guardian - not interested in reading one sided Fake News from a pathetic liberal gutter rag.
A "bloody hypocrite", eh? Seems a bit unfriendly ..

Here's some more palatable news sources for you:

Poll finds Scots would vote for independence if Boris Johnson becomes PM – as Sturgeon gloats that he will be a 'disaster' for the Tories

Scottish people would vote to leave the United Kingdom if Boris Johnson becomes prime minister

Mick 23-06-2019 17:57
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000140)
I got news for you....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36000050)
Teflon Boris will survive..
He's not my choice for PM - I do not care how much someone lies - if they do the task of taking us out of the EU - it's a job well done for me. It's all I want and for democracy to be upheld and to leave a totally corrupted union that makes this country suffer and has done for decades, out we must go, if Boris is that man for the job, then so be it.

1andrew1 23-06-2019 19:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36000143)
I got news for you....

He's not my choice for PM - I do not care how much someone lies - if they do the task of taking us out of the EU - it's a job well done for me. It's all I want and for democracy to be upheld and to leave a totally corrupted union that makes this country suffer and has done for decades, out we must go, if Boris is that man for the job, then so be it.
Boris is my preferred choice for PM out of the two candidates, for three reasons:

1) He is the only candidate able to betray those who voted for Brexit and get away with it. He's betrayed so many people be it wives, mistresses, employers, constituents, but is still popular, making him uniquely qualified for the task.

2) He's a Leaver. We need a Leaver as PM who can tell Parliament that this is really the situation and will be believed. Hunt will be tainted as a Remainer in whatever he proposes for Brexit, in the same way that Theresa May was.

3) He's most likely to fail on the job due to:
a) His track record in not preparing properly and winging it.
b) His unstable relationship status - divorce not come through yet, maybe still hoping for a reconciliation, arguments with Carrie Symonds and no public show of unity with her this weekend.

Damien 24-06-2019 11:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Sky News have cancelled their 'debate' with the leadership candidates:

https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/stat...88320530014209

Quote:
Sky News has cancelled its planned Conservative leadership debate as Boris Johnson has refused to take part.

1andrew1 24-06-2019 12:45
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36000216)
Sky News have cancelled their 'debate' with the leadership candidates:

https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/stat...88320530014209
That makes sense. Apparently, he's agreed to do the ITV one next month.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...remy-Hunt.html

Mr K 24-06-2019 14:42
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000222)
That makes sense. Apparently, he's agreed to do the ITV one next month.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...remy-Hunt.html
The ITV one takes place after voting has started... He doesn't want the faithful to remember what a vacuous idiot he is before they vote ! Hence him being generally incommunicado, but he can't even manage that, even when locked in a flat ! :D

denphone 24-06-2019 17:49
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
One of the Conservative party’s most generous donors has joined a growing chorus of demands for Boris Johnson to explain why police were called to his home after an altercation with his partner.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...to-explain-row

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“We deserve an explanation about that row, and he has to handle it properly. He can’t assume that we are going to support him when he has not explained every detail,” he said.
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Griffin, a Brexiter and founder of the cab firm Addison Lee, expressed concerns about Johnson’s morality and said he should also come clean about his previous behaviour, including his responsibilities to his children.
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Griffin is the second major Conservative donor to demand that Johnson explain what happened on Friday in Camberwell, south London. Another, who has given the party more than £500,000, told the Guardian the issue around the row was damaging the party. “We are a laughing stock,” he said.

1andrew1 24-06-2019 18:07
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Could Jezza be the next Prime Minister?
Quote:
What all this shows is that the new leader of the Conservative Party is unlikely to have a majority for his central policy come the autumn, and may not have a majority this July full stop.
If the latter is the case, then Mrs May will have to recommend that the Queen asks Jeremy Corbyn whether he can assemble a majority instead. If not, it’s election time.
No wonder Britain’s top civil servant has put the current Prime Minister on notice that her biggest decision may be still to come.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a4174446.html

denphone 24-06-2019 18:15
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000272)
Could Jezza be the next Prime Minister?

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a4174446.html
No its extremely long odds on that Boris Johnson will be the next Prime minister but another prominent media voice Max Hastings has a very strong opinion on him and he knows him better then many.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...P=share_btn_tw

ianch99 24-06-2019 19:22
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36000124)
Bannon - Such a truthful person.
Bit like Farage then ..

Boris Johnson does speak to Steve Bannon, says Nigel Farage

Quote:
Boris Johnson does speak to Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage has said, increasing the pressure on the Conservative leadership frontrunner to explain his links to Donald Trump’s controversial former campaign manager.

“Steve likes to be seen at the centre of the action. He knows Boris, he speaks to Boris. Steve speaks to virtually everybody,” Farage told a press conference when asked what he knew of Johnson’s links to Bannon.

1andrew1 24-06-2019 19:31
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36000274)
No its extremely long odds on that Boris Johnson will be the next Prime minister but another prominent media voice Max Hastings has a very strong opinion on him and he knows him better then many.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...P=share_btn_tw
Aha! :D

Mr K 25-06-2019 11:15
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
The Tories are mostly bonkers so they'll elect Boris. However it'll become clear from day 1, what a mistake they've made, particularly for anyone who wants delivery of Brexit. He'll be another Theresa May within weeks, the same people now part to of his cult, will be despising him within weeks. The bonkers people will then go back to Farage, whilst the Tories lose power.

See? There's always a happy ending :)

papa smurf 25-06-2019 11:22
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000331)
The Tories are mostly bonkers so they'll elect Boris. However it'll become clear from day 1, what a mistake they've made, particularly for anyone who wants delivery of Brexit. He'll be another Theresa May within weeks, the same people now part to of his cult, will be despising him within weeks. The bonkers people will then go back to Farage, whilst the Tories lose power.

See? There's always a happy ending :)
Not long till Farage is Pm then ;)

how do you think remainers will fare with the brexit party in no 10 ?

Mr K 25-06-2019 11:39
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000334)
Not long till Farage is Pm then ;)

how do you think remainers will fare with the brexit party in no 10 ?
No chance, most of the country (just) is still sane.

Thanks to our wonderful electoral system, the Brexit party is a gift for Labour.

1andrew1 25-06-2019 14:35
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000336)
No chance, most of the country (just) is still sane.

Thanks to our wonderful electoral system, the Brexit party is a gift for Labour.
Agreed. Whilst Jezza is a gift to the Conservative Party, Farage is a gift to the Labour Party. ;)

papa smurf 25-06-2019 14:46
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000356)
Agreed. Whilst Jezza is a gift to the Conservative Party, Farage is a gift to the Labour Party. ;)
Hold on to that fantasy .


https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...rimsby-3015161


At the European elections the Brexit Party polled half of the votes in the two parliamentary seats with Labour polling a meagre 10-12 per cent of the vote.

The impact, and its affect on the future of Miss Onn and Mr Dakin, has now been presented in a briefing paper discussed by the shadow cabinet on Tuesday, June 18, which was seen by the political website LabourList.

In a breakdown of the paper, LabourList identified the two Lincolnshire seats under a section titled: “These are the key Leave seats to worry about”.

It went on: “The briefing says that the top 50 council shares of the vote for the Brexit Party include 14 Labour-held seats: Hartlepool, Great Grimsby, Ashfield, Redcar, Bolsover, Barnsley Central, Barnsley East, Penistone & Stocksbridge, Wentworth & Dearne, Dudley North, Bassetlaw, Scunthorpe, Stoke-on-Trent Central, Stoke-on-Trent North.”

LabourList says the paper analyses what may happen if Labour – as is now widely forecast – shifts to an anti-Brexit and pro-Remain policy.

1andrew1 25-06-2019 14:53
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000358)
Hold on to that fantasy .
It is a nightmare not a fantasy!

Sephiroth 25-06-2019 17:12
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
How on earth can I justify voting for Boris on his current miserable performance? The latest photo (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...monds-picture/) has done it for me - he doesn't accuse his enemies of putting it out; so if his team did it, then it's dishonest.

Yet how would Hunt get us out of the EU and the Backstop?

If I'm a Conservative weathervane, Boris will lose.

Chris 25-06-2019 17:14
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000380)
How on earth can I justify voting for Boris on his current miserable performance? The latest photo has done it for me - he doesn't accuse his enemies of putting it out; so if his team did it, then it's dishonest.

Yet how would Hunt get us out of the EU and the Backstop?

If I'm a Conservative weathervane, Boris will lose.
Link?

Sephiroth 25-06-2019 17:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36000381)
Link?
See edited post. I think it's not behind a paywall.

Damien 25-06-2019 17:33
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I don't think anyone thought anything other than it being Boris' team that put that photo out.

Chris 25-06-2019 17:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Why would anyone think Jeremy Hunt’s campaign would release a photo of Boris and his girlfriend? :confused:

Damien 25-06-2019 17:39
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36000387)
Why would anyone think Jeremy Hunt’s campaign would release a photo of Boris and his girlfriend? :confused:
Who thought that?

I was saying the photo at the weekend was presented as a candid shot given to the press by someone else but everyone suspects it was Boris Johnson's campaign leaking it to help deal with the argument story.

ianch99 25-06-2019 17:50
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36000388)
Who thought that?

I was saying the photo at the weekend was presented as a candid shot given to the press by someone else but everyone suspects it was Boris Johnson's campaign leaking it to help deal with the argument story.
There is an interesting discussion coming out of LBC's Q&A this morning that the picture may indeed be an old one which makes it all the wierder:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...carrie-symonds

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Speaking to LBC, Johnson refused at least half a dozen times to comment on the photo of himself and Carrie Symonds seemingly sitting in the garden of a pub. He would not answer when the host, Nick Ferrari, pressed: “This is quite an old picture isn’t it?”

Mr K 25-06-2019 22:51
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36000388)
Who thought that?

I was saying the photo at the weekend was presented as a candid shot given to the press by someone else but everyone suspects it was Boris Johnson's campaign leaking it to help deal with the argument story.
It's a good photo, his back is definitely his best side.

What these young women see in these millionaire politicians is a mystery to me....

1andrew1 26-06-2019 00:01
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000389)
There is an interesting discussion coming out of LBC's Q&A this morning that the picture may indeed be an old one which makes it all the wierder:]
Very bizarre. Bearing in mind her job is PR, you would have thought she could have pulled off something more convincing than this. Suggests that maybe she didn't have a large part to play in this particular PR stunt.

Mr K 26-06-2019 08:28
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000447)
Very bizarre. Bearing in mind her job is PR, you would have thought she could have pulled off something more convincing than this. Suggests that maybe she didn't have a large part to play in this particular PR stunt.
IDS is now leading Boris's campaign, a sure fire 'quiet man' election winner for sure ! ;). Maybe he took the photo on his Agfa Instamatic ? Whoever bought Bozzas shirt should be shot for sure...

Chris 26-06-2019 08:41
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000455)
IDS is now leading Boris's campaign, a sure fire 'quiet man' election winner for sure ! ;). Maybe he took the photo on his Agfa Instamatic ? Whoever bought Bozzas shirt should be shot for sure...
IDS won the members’ vote to become Tory leader. ;)

Mr K 26-06-2019 08:46
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36000456)
IDS won the members’ vote to become Tory leader. ;)
And then what ? ;)

denphone 26-06-2019 09:05
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000459)
And then what ? ;)
Quote:
Many Conservative MPs came to consider him incapable of winning an election when he was Conservative Party Leader. In 2003, Conservative MPs passed a vote of no confidence in his leadership; he immediately resigned, and was succeeded by Michael Howard.

TheDaddy 26-06-2019 09:06
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36000461)
.
Exactly and then what

Sephiroth 26-06-2019 09:19
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36000463)
Exactly and then what
Michael Howard lost the 2005 election to Tony Blair./

Maggy 26-06-2019 09:54
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I'm past caring about any of it..This country is being run by a bunch of bickering children.

Chris 26-06-2019 10:05
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000459)
And then what ? ;)
And then what? IDS’s job here is to help BoJo win a vote of party members. He’s well placed to do that because he won a vote of party members. Pretty simple, really.

Mr K 26-06-2019 10:24
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36000472)
And then what? IDS’s job here is to help BoJo win a vote of party members. He’s well placed to do that because he won a vote of party members. Pretty simple, really.
You can get 4/1 on Hunt, looking like tempting odds...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8974316.html
Quote:
. Surely it’s all over for Boris Johnson. He has committed by far his greatest blunder so far, at least in this leadership contest. He has appointed Iain Duncan Smith as his campaign manager.

That’s right. IDS. The man who was so incompetent a leader that his party got rid of him back in 2003. The man who helped (with George Osborne) make such a mess of universal credit. The man who resigned from the Cabinet on the very issue of welfare reform, just when it was past time for his departure to make any difference.
He also quit, in 2016, just before all his Eurosceptic Christmases came at once and Leave won the EU referendum. (He's been out of the cabinet ever since). The “Quiet Man” with the permanent frog in his throat. The one cartooned as Dracula sucking the blood from benefit claimants. The one who was attacked for employing his wife Betsy as his assistant on the taxpayer. The one who couldn't lay a glove on Tony Blair. The one who made Michael Howard look like a vote magnet.

Sephiroth 26-06-2019 10:43
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36000469)
I'm past caring about any of it..This country is being run by a bunch of bickering children.
Bickering children, eh? See the Brexit thread for details!

Maggy 26-06-2019 11:51
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000478)
Bickering children, eh? See the Brexit thread for details!
Must I? What I really like to express about that is grounds for banishment.;)

So again I'm past caring.

OLD BOY 26-06-2019 15:36
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000380)
How on earth can I justify voting for Boris on his current miserable performance? The latest photo (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...monds-picture/) has done it for me - he doesn't accuse his enemies of putting it out; so if his team did it, then it's dishonest.

Yet how would Hunt get us out of the EU and the Backstop?

If I'm a Conservative weathervane, Boris will lose.
Who cares about his private life, Seph? That is just an entertaining distraction.

At least he's not a tiresome moralising politically correct robot. That would really be depressing.

---------- Post added at 14:36 ---------- Previous post was at 14:31 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000475)
You can get 4/1 on Hunt, looking like tempting odds...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8974316.html
Nice to see The Independent being - er - independent! :rolleyes::D

papa smurf 26-06-2019 15:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36000509)
Who cares about his private life, Seph? That is just an entertaining distraction.

At least he's not a tiresome moralising politically correct robot. That would really be depressing.

---------- Post added at 14:36 ---------- Previous post was at 14:31 ----------



Nice to see The Independent being - er - independent! :rolleyes::D
Should be renamed the daily biased.

Sephiroth 26-06-2019 16:25
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36000509)
Who cares about his private life, Seph? That is just an entertaining distraction.

At least he's not a tiresome moralising politically correct robot. That would really be depressing.<SNIP>
Until Sunday, that's how I saw Boris - unconventional, purposeful and a buffoon to boot. He would be fun. not grey and miserable.


But integrity matters and he has tipped over to the untrustworthy side.

OLD BOY 26-06-2019 17:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000517)
Until Sunday, that's how I saw Boris - unconventional, purposeful and a buffoon to boot. He would be fun. not grey and miserable.


But integrity matters and he has tipped over to the untrustworthy side.
Nah, just a row with the missus! :D

TheDaddy 26-06-2019 19:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000466)
Michael Howard lost the 2005 election to Tony Blair./
Not much going on really for him then, just a long list of him failing and losing really, sounds like the perfect guy to revitalise bozos campaign

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36000509)
Who cares about his private life, Seph? That is just an entertaining distraction.

At least he's not a tiresome moralising politically correct robot. That would really be depressing.
Yeah because there's nothing tiresome about demanding your private life be kept private and then releasing private photos publicly, just another self serving, grubby politician who thinks so little of the public that we'd fall for his little games, that's depressing

Sephiroth 26-06-2019 21:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36000520)
Nah, just a row with the missus! :D
If only, OB. The infamous photo and his blathering under questioning leaves me with a sour taste.

Mr K 26-06-2019 22:33
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000475)
You can get 4/1 on Hunt, looking like tempting odds...
Damn he's 7/2 now, should have taken 4/1, still great odds though !

papa smurf 26-06-2019 22:44
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000552)
Damn he's 7/2 now, should have taken 4/1, still great odds though !
He'll be 1,000,000/1 next week

Damien 26-06-2019 23:12
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Still can't see him winning. If it was a vote of the general population then maybe but no way does Hunt ever win amongst the members.

1andrew1 27-06-2019 00:53
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000517)
Until Sunday, that's how I saw Boris - unconventional, purposeful and a buffoon to boot. He would be fun. not grey and miserable.

But integrity matters and he has tipped over to the untrustworthy side.
Pleased to see you've got it. Sadly, I think the rest of the party has not.

papa smurf 27-06-2019 07:19
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Well at least it's safe for Boris to go home now.


Boris Johnson neighbours flee after ‘death threats’ for recording row with Carrie Symonds


i guess they don't feel so clever now.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Penn-Eve-Leigh

Mr K 27-06-2019 07:51
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000562)
Well at least it's safe for Boris to go home now.


Boris Johnson neighbours flee after ‘death threats’ for recording row with Carrie Symonds


i guess they don't feel so clever now.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Penn-Eve-Leigh
Says more about the low life people Boris attracts.

papa smurf 27-06-2019 07:52
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36000565)
Says more about the low life people Boris attracts.
I think it says peeping tom perverts aren't popular in the neighbourhood .

Mr K 27-06-2019 08:00
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36000566)
I think it says peeping tom perverts aren't popular in the neighbourhood .
You've been reading too many tabloids old chap.


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