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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40749036

Am I correct in thinking that Salford is a dyed in the wool Labour council? Hang on though, that can't be right can it because we all know that it's only greedy, working class hating, Tory councils which put the safety of ordinary people at risk don't we... :rolleyes:

I'm sure Corbyn's cronies will clarify it all for us anyway. :rolleyes:

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Perhaps if you provided links to your assertions then people may agree with you.

You have consitently put forward that you have seen the plans, recommendations etc yet have never supplied a link to back up your stance.

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Link to planning website.
Pdf is the "glossy " planning application.
Sectional view of the wall is on page 8.
No fire breaks anywhere and there is not much between the window frame and the outer insulation.

Link

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No outrage about Salford from the usual rose tinted suspects then. Quelle surprise... :rofl:

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I will point out that Salford have been stripping the cladding of said dangerous tower blocks..but so far both Labour and Tory councils are facing this issue together so I think this maybe a situation that goes beyond political parties and ideologies. Neither group can claim the moral high ground because as we know both parties have their fair share of swivel eyed loons and really crap councillors. Just read Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs section to see that.

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Some people never miss the opportunity for a bit of political point scoring, pedaling their little agendas no matter the circumstances, pretty pathetic individuals really

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+1

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Tell that to those who blamed it on Tory 'murderers'. ;)

They were the ones who made it political and certain Labour figures haven't ceased.

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Absolutely as the people who come out with those remarks are utterly crass and stupid to say the least as this goes well above just blaming one political colour rather then the others as councils of all political colours are at fault over a number of years but suffice to say none of them will be owning up anytime soon sadly to why we got in this mess to start with..

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This obsession you have with Tory V Labour really isn't healthy.

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the truth can be unhealthy .

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Yeah, especially for those who deny it despite the facts but education is always a good thing isn't it. Wouldn't want anyone to be unnecessarily ignorant... :D

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The trouble is some won't admit when they are wrong.;)

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or when someone else is right :nono:

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Nobody was ever starting out by saying Labour were responsible in any way. Any comments aimed at Labour are REPLIES pointing out the FALSEHOODS of attacking the Conservatives. There is a difference between responding to an attack, ie defending, and an outright false and biased attack.

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A wise man often admits when he is wrong even when he thinks he is right.;)

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even a broken clock is right twice a day ;)

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Not if it's a 24 hour clock, or if it's an electronic clock that's broken...

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There's now been a similar fire at a residential tower block in Dubai called Torch Tower (the second in two years).

Interestingly, everyone got out unhurt, so they must be doing something differently.

I'm not sure if this block had the problematic cladding on it.

Also, some former residents say that they are being trolled on social media with remarks such as "you are in it for a free ride".

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Like building it 60 years later?

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It was the renovations at Grenfell that caused the problems. As built, probably nobody would have been injured or killed. The internal fire was put out fairly quickly. It was spreading outside and onwards that was the problem.

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I've no idea when either of them were built...

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As far as I know the fire and smoke spread internally just as quick, the design of the building meant there was only one means of escape, and that was filled with toxic smoke also no fire sprinklers etc.

Are you trying to tell me that a building constructed 50-60 years ago would stand up as well as one built now?

Go outside and have a word with yourself.

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Link
Look at the 4:00BST picture and tell me it didn't spread externally.
The initial internal fire had been put out successfully. Before the renovations the exterior would have been bare concrete. Not known for being that flammable. Where did the "toxic smoke" come from but the insulation and to a lesser degree the cladding.

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I'm glad that you obviously have had full access to the results of the inquiry to the disaster than everybody else.

To use a car analogy, the tower was a Mk1 cortina. That had a new paint job, refitted interior and a new sound system.

It looks and feels great, but underneath its still a car built in the early sixties, with a sixties chassis, sixties brakes and suspension.

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Nonsense analogy, of course. If you're going to try and use a vehicle analogy, a better one would be the comparative exterior flammability of the van in the film "Dumb and Dumber", where they took a standard van and covered it in "fur".

If an internal fire had occurred 10 years ago, it would have been put out as it was in this case. If neighbouring flats had also caught fire, they too would have been dealt with in a timely fashion. The fire spread externally and then back into the other flats. How would that have happened with a concrete only exterior? Common sense really.

Internal fire spread is meant to be limited to at least 30mins per flat/floor. The building was engulfed in the space of less than 3hours. That's less than 10mins per floor.

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So if that cladding was put on a modern building, as many do have, with modern design and modern safeguards. The result would be the same?

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Oh look here's more poor working class victims of a nasty Tory council who always put the lives and wellbeing of the rich first...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3610021.html

Oh wait, it's a Labour run borough with 3 Labour MPs and yet Corbyn's cronies don't seem very keen to condemn these decades of neglect on their watch. Hypocrites.

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Give it a rest old chap, we still don't know how many have died but still you manage blame Corbyn somehow... The wet August is probably down to him too I should think.

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It's sickening. If you want to get forensic, the article says that “We didn’t own the blocks when they were constructed at the end of the 1960s, but all the reports we found suggested the blocks were strengthened following the Ronan Point incident in 1968, to make them safe to include a gas supply."
This was when the flats were under Conservative control as they won the GLC at the time.
At the end of the day, the current Council there is taking sensible precautions and should be commended for doing so.

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It really is an obsession with him. It beggars belief that someone could be so egotistical as to believe that their view should override all others and is superior to the point that everyone else is somehow being educated!

It was on Channel 5 this morning that it has been found that, should there be a gas explosion in many similar tower blocks, this would bring them crashing to the ground.

Apparently, people are going to be moved out as a safety precaution.

Whilst I can see that they would want to do this, this is in the middle of the worst housing crisis ever. Would/should residents be able to stay in their own home with the small risk of a gas explosion V the risks of living in the streets/put into temporary housing with all the alcoholics, drug users, ex offenders etc?

It reminds me of the time that children had to start the school year late because the CRB were behind with their checks on teachers.

It would have been less of a risk to allow these teachers to work whilst the CRB caught up than have children wandering the streets and all the associated dangers of this.

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If anyone would like to donate £3 in aid of those affected by the Grenfell Tower fire, you can do so by texting 'Grenfell' to 70007.

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Why would anyone do that, there's million donated already being sat on by organisations, I'm not giving them any more
to do nothing with

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.tel...ommission/amp/

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£18.9 million raised in the wake of the disaster :shocked:
(Thats probably not including that football match today)

There were only 129 flats in the building, so thats already almost £150,000 per flat.

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Fair comments.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41161123

Nice. :mad:

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Hardy unexpected with such ridiculous amounts of money now involved.

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Nope and that'll be another reason why, in determining who gets what, the authorities have to be very diligent. If they get it wrong all the usual accusations will start being flung around by people who ought to know better.

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BBC News says that 20 survivors have tried to commit suicide.

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Anyone who's lost loved ones and been traumatised in a tragedy like this is likely to suffer such feelings (and others associated with PTSD) and will need a lot of help to overcome them and move on. The only way to start that process is to admit it and seek help but a lot of people find that very difficult indeed and the necessary resources are clearly going to be under great pressure given the likely numbers involved which will no doubt include a good number of emergency services personnel who were called into action that night and had to make the most awful decisions.

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Indeed.

Apparently, in situations like this, survivors feel guilty that they somehow survived.

I think that i'd just be thankful and grateful, but until one is put in this position I don't suppose any of use truly know how we'd feel or react.

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Source

There's some pretty low **** around, but the possibility of looting the undamaged flats should have been more seriously considered.

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I agree with what you are saying but given the millions that have been raised for the survivors this should not be a problem. The money is there, it depends on how it is spent and who is in control of it.

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If that money is going to be used for this purpose then obviously that makes things a lot easier but that's a big if.

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Exactly but only time will tell. I wonder how much those in control will make out of it.

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There'll be significant 'costs' involved in the administration of the funds you can be sure.

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Starting with those thieving leech shysters at justgiving and their 5% ripoff charge. :mad:

If they had an ounce of decency they would have a cap on any fees, not steal £50,000 out of every million.

I will NEVER donate money through them.

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https://order-order.com/2017/10/19/john-healey-now/

Some things never change.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41844044

Sadly, I doubt his punishment will fit his crime.

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Building regulations unfit for purpose, Grenfell review finds.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...uilding-report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42392138

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they don't care as long as the rent gets paid, Disgraceful

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So nothing really related to the Grenfell fire.

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Source

So who should pay?

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The company who supplied and placed the cladding needs to be sued by the residents..They need to get together and get a solicitor.

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I find it amazing. While I think that it's important to say that everyone deserves to live in safety, it's worth noting that this isn't just 60s or 70s era council block that Croydon Council slapped some cladding on so it looked nice, it is a privately owned block where people have frequently paid over £300,000 for 2 bedroom flats. Having accepted hundreds of thousands of pounds for each flat, I would hope that the building owner would feel obligated to spend a reasonable amount to ensure the safety of each resident. If necessary, they should sue the developer to recoup the costs.

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Trust some **** to piggyback off the unfortunate.

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Click the red link for the full story that has been uncovered here. Seems a lot of people didn't do their jobs properly.

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As investigators frequently say, "follow the money".

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The full report is on the red review link.

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A combination of the 150mm thick flammable insulation and bad design of the area around the windows were the main problems. The exterior work was all about the insulation and using it to meet environmental("Green") rules. The cladding was only around 3/4mm thick and there to protect the insulation. I doubt even a 2mm layer of Napalm could produce that ferocity of fire on the outside of the building.



The manufacturers of the insulation listed it as the only one of its type to be rated for use above 18m. Any architects/designers would also have had to look at the small print connected to its usage. Which was basically surrounding it with non-combustible materials in order to restrict spread of fire to adjoining flats. But they would simply see in a list of potential materials(eg on the RIBA/Royal Institute of British Architects website) that it was ok for use above 18m and that was it. The 18m limit was only because of the height limit of fire brigade ladder reach and no other aspect. Plenty of buildings around the world have used it. It is strange that the original specification of the insulation was for similar product from the same manufacturer, but wasn't rated for use above 18m.



The new design of area around the windows meant there was little to prevent the spread of any fire from inside a flat to the outside and then back into another flat. The initial internal fire had been put out successfully, which is why the building wasn't immediately evacuated.




Non-experts have to rely on the expertise of the experts, ie Architects and designers. Who in turn have to rely on other experts and the manufacturers.

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Grenfell survivor blames landlord’s ‘cancerous’ decisions for disaster.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-for-disaster

Rotten to the core from top to bottom just about sums it up..

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The MM QB'ing blaming Blair is preposterous. When in doubt, everything is his fault.

Reason we voted to leave the EU? Blair opened it up to Eastern Europeans.

Media problems? Levison goes back to Blair?

Corruption in the Lords...blame Tony's Peerage sales!

Issues in the Middle East? They all started when we invaded Iraq apparently.

Issues at winning elections? Continuously talk about how Lab wrecks the economy, non stop.

Now...The fire that killed so many and sent many more in sheltered housing / hospitals etc? All Blair's fault.

Give me a break...that report is atrocious or maybe it is just the Sun's headlines only that fault was definitely not the fault of Tony Blair and the London Fire Brigade.

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All nothing whatsoever to do with how the fire spread, which was OUTSIDE the building. Same materials were uses as are used in buildings above and BELOW 18m in height, all around the world. The 18m(6 storeys) rule is based upon the reach of fire brigade equipment.

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Bit of a bump, but relevant imho.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/07/fire-...fell-14537101/

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I thought all buildings with that cladding now had to have a “waking watch”, someone on the premises actively managing the premises 24 hours a day. A half-hour delay in the alarm being raised is concerning.

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Not the slightest bit relevant, as from the pictures it was ONLY the window areas and frames that caught fire, with curtains adding to it.

Link
Panels a few mm thick wouldn't catch fire like at Grenfell, whereas 100mm/150mm thick blocks of inflammable insulation that encased the building, would. Those type of blocks can be found up and down the country in houses.

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You’re making ridiculously strident statements based on a few photos taken from a safe distance. At this stage you have no more idea than anyone else how similar a situation this might be.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57022678

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There are a lot of unburnt set of curtains on the other windows. The only areas showing any damage are windows and balcony doors. The pictures show damage to only 3 flats. Those are known as FACTS.

If the panels at Grenfell had been made of napalm. they wouldn't have gone up like that. They were too thin. The fire risk of cladding is NOT spreading upwards, but of spreading DOWNWARDS from dripping. The advice on panels was to be careful of what was placed at the base of any building in case it also caught fire from dripping from the panels. According to the manufacturers the insulation is meant to be surrounded by non-combustible material to limit the spread of fire, between the insulation panels for each flat. Without that extra protection, the material was banned from use, here and the US, above a certain height. That height was determined by the reach of fire ladders and no other factor.

Some of us try to see beyond the pack of lies spread by the media, and do their own research on issues.


It looks like only ONE flat was badly damaged, with the rest of the appearance being soot. No spreading involved.

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In my experience, there’s a high correlation between randoms on the internet who claim to do their research, and those who haven’t a clue how to actually do research.

You have insufficient evidence to support your claims. That’s the only useful fact here.

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https://www.thejournal.ie/grenfell-t...71900-Oct2019/

The inquiry report thought otherwise…

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correlation is not causation

almost every thread on this forum becomes a flame war ( see what I did there )

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I have plenty of evidence of the OFFICIAL kind. Certainly NOT from the opinion of a random person and most definitely not from the media.
I have previously supplied all the evidence, and of course it's ignored because it doesn't fit the bogus agenda.
Are you denying that the cladding panels aren't thin(ie a few mm)?

Are you denying the insulation at Grenfell was only rated for use above a certain height, if and only if, surrounded by non-combustible material? Are you denying that the insulation is used on smaller buildings?

Did I make up the 100mm and 150mm thickness of insulation or did I look up the planning documents?:rolleyes: Did I make up the restrictions on use of the insulation, or did I look up the manufacturers advice and that of the Royal Institute of British Architects(RIBA)? Take a wild guess.:mad:

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That WOULDN'T explain how any fire reached back into other flats bridging an air gap(between cladding and insulation), 100mm of insulation, and concrete walls.
The point being, cement boards WEREN'T used, therefore the insulation was a fire risk.
The designers would've seen the manufacturers comment of it being the only similar insulation material legally allowed in building above a certain height. It was listed as such on the Royal Institute of British Architects(RIBA) website. I checked it at the time. The designers didn't look any further into what design restrictions came with that claim from the manufacturers.


In this recent example there appears to have been NO or little spreading of the fire.

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And when you consider how much fire marshalls cost each day I'd say it's more than concerning it's darn right negligent

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Unless you have some relevant qualifications or at the very least local knowledge, you don’t have a blind clue what happened, and shouting otherwise on the internet won’t convince anyone.

You don’t know.

I don’t know.

My only advantage over you is that I haven’t accused anyone of having a “bogus agenda”. That you have done so, firmly locates you in the category “internet conspiracy nut who should probably just be ignored”.

So you feel free to continue your fevered pseudo-research. I’ll await the views of actual experts.

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https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/insi...bishment-67309 https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news...re-began-56882 From the inquiry report.

https://assets.grenfelltowerinquiry....volume%201.pdf

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I made the point at the time, that the purge panels(from the plans) allowed easy access to/from the outside. The point being it was still a large distance from the cladding to the inside of the building. The fire would've been unable to spread back inside the building unless there was something else in that large distance that could catch fire, ie THE INSULATION, which was mentioned in the report.

It could be seen at the time that the fire spread OUTSIDE the building, in an upwards and sideways manner. Regardless of any limited spreading via the cladding, the insulation would've spread it anyway. There is a reason the manufacturers specified that the insulation had to be surrounded by non-combustible material, eg cement panels.


From a design point of view, if you had looked at the listing of potential materials on the RIBA website, then you would've seen an entry for the insulation material used, that said it was the only one of its type that could be used in high buildings. It didn't go into any further details, and it was more expensive than the insulation originally in the plans(yes I checked plans and prices at the time:rolleyes:)
That stuff was 100mm and 150mm thick, compared to a few mm for the cladding. Which is going to burn more ferociously and for longer?

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Grenfell fire report blames ‘unscrupulous’ cladding firms

https://www.thetimes.com/article/655...2dfaece38b945c

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There are only 3 words that jump out to me from that snippet.

and they are:

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Those 3 words are further expanded upon in the article

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Damning in every direction. Wow. :shocked:

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The Celotex insulation was listed on the RIBA website as being suitable for high-rise buildings. I checked at the time. If you were an architect, you would see that and use it. The snag is that was a caveat where the flammable insulation had to be encased in non-combustible material to keep it safe and avoid spreading of any fire.

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The snag really is that the supplier conducted tests and presented data in a way that actively obfuscated the dangers and limitations of the product. If they still have a presence in the UK, I suspect they are about to get sued to within an inch of their lives.

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Because Celotex lied…

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They DID mention how it was meant to be used on the RIBA website and other places. How else do you think I knew about it?
Any architects would just see it on a list of materials and it was claimed to be the only one suitable for high rise buildings.
It was(probably still is) used all over the place in lower-rise buildings, including houses. The height limit for that type of product was based upon the reach of Fire and Rescue ladders. In the US, that limit was different.
Too much focus on the cladding, when it even if it had been made of solidified napalm, it wouldn't have gone up like that. It was too thin, compared to the 10cm and 15cm thick insulation. The identified risk of burning cladding, was of dripping downwards, not going upwards.
The open purge panels(to let large amounts of air in or out) gave the internal fire access to the exterior insulation.
Any mention of the level of illegal sub-letting and the excess of electrical appliances(fridge/freezers, cookers etc)? The picture of the flat which was the source of the fire, had an excess of electrical appliances.

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Amazing. Six years, £173,000,000 and 1,700 pages, when all along they should have just asked you.

You’re the very definition of contrarian.

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Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself…

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/how-grenf...ults-to-break/

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org...E-Laying_0.pdf Page 11

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1725462088

From volume 2 of the Phase 2 report page 366

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org...3%20SEPT_0.pdf

Page 369

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Was the source of the fire an electrical appliance ?

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Even if it was, Grenfell Tower as originally designed could not have gone up like a roman candle thanks to it being built almost entirely of non-flammable materials. It is the addition of flammable material to the exterior of the tower that permitted an extensive fire, risking safety to those beyond the flat where it began.

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By itself, it wasn't safe. They never claimed it should be used by itself. I'm taking about the info at the time, not stuff that got deleted/removed.

From 7 years ago In post #300. IIRC they even had example diagrams of panels where it was encased in non-flammable materials in order to prevent any spreading of fire.
Even a building of a mere 18m in height could've been destroyed by similar LEGAL materials.
IIRC the fire started below 18m, so more than one flat would've been affected whatever way you look at it. Other similar flammable insulation was LEGAL for use below 18m, and was originally in the plans.

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But they lied about the tests, never mentioning the additional materials that were used to pass the test, even in the diagrams…

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“Sued”…………! Corporate Manslaughter. There has to be a criminal investigation off the back off this.

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However, now reading Nomadkings posts, and assuming he is an architect or works in that field.

I understand what he is saying and potentially withdraw my Corporate Manslaughter claim.

Celotex was never rated as fire resistant.

It was only ever intended to be used as part of a cladding system that incorporated fire resistant materials in which it was enclosed.

The British Standard quoted is a standard for a system of cladding, of which celotex would only be a component. To meet that standard the fire resistant encasing would be required and the designer of the cladding system would /should specify that.

So it’s not as clear as being reported, and if criminal charges were ever brought a good barrister would probably drive a bus through these accusations.

Thank you nomadking.

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Well that’s the problem right there isn’t it, and the reason why you need to be careful about what you take from the posts of a random internet user with a penchant for contrarianism, even if he has experience in the field (and I’ve seen nothing so far to suggest he is anything other than an enthusiastic amateur, just like the rest of us).

These aren’t just accusations - the report contains findings of fact drawn from witness testimony gathered under oath. The inquiry report isn’t a judgment or even an accusation, but its findings really aren’t going to be so easy to drive a bus through.

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Speaking of Celotex. Just before lockdown my wife was headhunted to work for them on a rolling contract to go through their quality systems. My wife is a certified ISO auditor, 35 years experience in quality control and a member of the Chartered Quality Institute (CQI). Obviously to say she turned them down as she didn't want a stain on her CV.

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I've just installed a load of Celotex in the wall of a building I'm refurbishing.

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A fridge in someone's flat caught fire.