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Absolutely.

People seem to confuse 'legal' with 'compulsory'...

We have lots of friends, gay and straight (single and married) - they're our friends because we like them and get on with them; their sexual orientation is irrelevant.

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That's what makes the world turn around IMHO!

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Peterborough are well shot of their MP.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7790296.html

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Aren't most thick chavs jobless, sounds like Mr Jackson has more in common with them than his ex constituent

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That was my complaint with him. He should have stood firm on his beliefs and faith as they are similar to mine. He may have raised the ire of some but being open about them is better. Being overt in your faith lets people know where you stand clearly and many who would not agree with the position would support the man. Hypocrisy is a bigger turn-off than disagreement.

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Tory election research found Boris Johnson was 'deeply divisive'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eeply-divisive

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He probably felt that saying homosexuality is wrong, if indeed this is his belief, would be inappropriate for a politician seeking to lead the country (or at least represent the views of millions of people)

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Spot on pip as even though l am straight we too have many friends who are in the LGBT community and l have a younger brother who is gay as thankfully society has evolved and moved on from what it used to be but there are still some out there as one will never get rid of the prejudice fully.

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The point being, why should they ?

I dont care one way or the other, but what really annoys me with these groups is how two faced they are. They bang on about their "rights" and how intolerant some people are, while at the same time they are 100% intolerant themselves of anyone who doesnt agree with them.

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l don't disagree that some of them are two faced and intolerant of others and that is a poor reflection on them.

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If they aim to lead a Government they should. If not, they can keep their prejudice to themselves

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Prejudice works both ways - if you want others to keep their views (or prejudices if you prefer) to themselves then perhaps you should follow your own advice

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You are missing the point here. The proposition is that if a politician seeking to lead (or participate in at a senior level of) the Government of the UK believes that that homosexual sex is a sin* then this presents a problem. A problem in terms of his or her electability and his or her credibility regarding enacting laws relating to sexual conduct.

I don't care if people think homosexual sex is a sin, that is their problem. I do care if that person is leader of this country.

*sin: an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

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Why socialism doesn't work. Taken from a post on Facebook, I thought it explained it brilliantly



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Like what?

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What has he been hypocritical about?

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You seem to be contradicting yourself, either you care or you dont, you cannot do both.

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Why? It's quite possible to disagree with some thing but support a persons right to do it.

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If you want to be pedantic:



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It may be possible but it also may be inappropriate.

With respect to Farron, his track record on doing as you say is patchy at best ..

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I don't see why.

This is not about Farron, but about the point.

I think if you can put aside your personal objections and fight for the right of others that surely is a good thing.

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You may be right but should you fight for the rights of others when you believe that they should not have those rights in the first place?

Back to Farron, he should have never put his party in this position in the first place .. he could have aired his views from the back benches where he could have been judged as an individual and not as the representative of the party.

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Yeh. like me. I have white friends and black friends. them being white is irrelevant.

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More of Corbyn's hypocrisy:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/r...-human-rights/

So he tells everyone the Tories want to repeal the human rights act in order to further subjugate the rights of ordinary people yet then recommends a course of action -requisitioning other people's property - which is contrary to the provisions of that very act.

To be honest I'd have thought Corbyn had plenty of super rich lefty celebrity mates with more than a few spare bedrooms, if not houses not a million miles away from the location of the terrible tower block fire. Maybe they could just get on set us all an example instead of constantly whining about other people not doing their bit whilst they're off further feathering their own nests...

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I think Guido has left some parts of the ECHR out there, unless it's overrriden in the UK version of it:

http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

This article here also suggests the public interest can override the right to property:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...ction-property

After all I believe this is how compulsory purchase orders, needed for something like HS2, aren't in violation of the ECHR (although probably result in many a court case).

Now I don't think this is feasible because CPOs take a while to action with an appeals process and since we're talking about very expensive houses it could cost a ton.

Corbyn is spouting a populist and unrealistic policy but I don't think it's a breach of the ECHR. I am not a lawyer but I think Guido has gone with a weak case there.

I think a lot of the 'rich lefities' have been helping. Hans Zimmer donated all the proceeds of his concert the other night the fund, many have contributed to the fund (I know Coldplay and Brian Eno did), Jamie Oliver got his restuant in White City to feed/drink those made homeless for free, Lily Allen offered rooms to people reportedly as she lives in the area, Raheem Sterling also made a big donation it seems.

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Theresa May is unlikely to be PM in October Michael Portillo has said.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...heresa-may-hid

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...t-saysmichael/

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/michael-po...100642608.html

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Corbyn is a communist fool and attempting to live in the past. He doesn't realise thet most peoples expectaions have changed. The world has changed. I'm fed up of him already!

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He may well be all those things but I think the public would support the idea of filling up all those towers bought by foreign investors, who never visit, never use them or furnish them or let anyone else use them purely to sell in years time for a big profit after they've helped to manipulate the market., my own opinion if this happened wouldn't be sympathetic towards them

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The Telegraph is reporting May's approval ratings have plummeted:

Theresa May's personal ratings plummet as support for Jeremy Corbyn surges

I guess she just has to keep her head down and not talk to anyone until the Corbyn fever fizzles out?

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Failing to speak to survivors of the tower block fire won't have done her any favours. I wonder if she was afraid of any backlash after the cuts to the fire service and failure to implement extra fire safety measures??

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A week is a long time in politics as they say and its certainly been that for Theresa May..

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Why don't you like Cable? I've always thought him to be ok for a politician.

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Ages ago (think it was a discussion about the gay cake issue). No worries, I just wondered if the LGBT community were afraid of their rights being eroded because of the involvement of the DUP.

The pro abortion movement has been very vocal about their concerns about DUP policies​

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The DUP are not going to get any of those policies into law simply by agreeing to help with a few votes, anyone who thinks otherwise is in cookoo land.

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He'll be 78 when the 2021 election is called. I'm all in favour of people being active in old age but how can he seriously go to the country and ask for an electoral mandate that would be expected to take him up to the age of 83?

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this parliament wont last 5 years no chance and that only 4 2021 wont last that long either

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l will give it a year , two if we are lucky...

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Don't you mean unlucky Den ? ;)

This 'government' is already a shambles, they won't be able to do anything without the DUPs approval. They are obsessed with Brexit and nothing else. Getting the Queen's speech passed isn't a given. The longer they try and cling on, the more unpopular they'll be, all the better for Labour, but the worse for us.

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It will not be the worse for us at all. We've avoided a communist leader at the helms.

But that's right, ignore democracy as usual. They are obsessed with Brexit because that's what people voted for and that's what the majority of people want.

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More Labour lies:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/c...ice-fake-news/

What's Corbyn doing about all this? Pathetic...

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That would certainly account for them being Corbyn supporters... :D

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Even the Daily Mail is reflecting most people's perception of this Prime Minister:

Maybot Malfunction: After being booed by Grenfell victims, Theresa May caps another dreadful day with 'inhuman' TV interview and fails to give a single straight answer after being accused of misreading public's anger

It is pathetic that people want to focus on what "lefty luvvies" do or don't do. What is a priority for most rational people is what the current leader of this country is doing and how much she understands the mood of the people.

Even the Queen, at 91, went to meet the Grenfell residents. No problems with security there then ..

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When was the last time the queen had to content with anti government mobs ?

As the report you linked to states (twice) ;

If thats the way they behave then they dont deserve a visit.

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Even worse ;

These people are pathetic.

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Lots of wealthy people on all sides of the political spectrum will give donations etc. to causes such as this. I was referring to those on the left who make such a big deal about the evil rich and helping the needy but never seem to do that much. If you can show me one such who offered to house refugees I'll show you many more who promised to but didn't.

The people I reckon who're the real givers are not the multi-millionaire celebs who donate concert proceeds (generated in the main from much poorer people anyway) but the ordinary folk who turned up at the scene, gave some some of what little they have and got their hands dirty. They're the ones who deserve the real plaudits not uber rich Sir Saint Holier Than Though and the like who could well afford to do a whole lot more than they do and still have more money than they know what to do with.

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And there is the voice of reason. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

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What is pathetic is conflating protesters and the people affected by this tragedy.

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Reposting this. It's interesting that when stuff like this is posted here/facebook etc, the silence from the left is deafening. :confused:

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In a perfect world there's nothing to disagree with the above as it basic common sense, but it ain't a perfect world. As it stands the rich get richer and the poor is getting poorer. It's no wonder why people vote Labour or whatever. It's not to be a socialist but because their circumstances might be a little bit better under Labour. Some just can't afford to vote for the better of the country when some are hit harder than others, it's personal.

Probably the 'left' here don't bother voicing their opinions or concerns here as it's just too hostile and just too blue here so it's just not worth it, not because 'the silence is deafening'.

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:confused:

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Whether some one is to the left , or to the right or to the centre or whatever they are politically its their right to be whatever way they want to be politically but whatever way they are they should not be insulted or patronised and sadly there has been far too much of that lately on this forum IMO and l find that pretty sad from grown adults who seem to find it hard to debate rationally and in a common sense way rather then in a insulting and patronising way.

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yes, this forum does have quite a nasty right wing 'mafia' which isn't representative of the country. But don't let that stop you posting, it doesn't stop me. The right can howl, but things are changing whether they like it or not.

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Thing is Den, I suspect some of them are OAPs, if they were teenagers some of their posts would be more understandable. There is hope for the young in this country, if the self interested older generation don't totally **** it up for them.

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We live in the age of "whats best for me" and everyones at it there are no saints out there so when one group accuses another it's hypocrisy pure and simple but your not supposed to notice so just carry on as normal. The time of real conviction and belief are also gone they only last as long as it takes to negatively impact the supporters who then quickly change their position add in the growing band of "I'm offended on behalf of everyone else" and you have the main reason people want out of this country. We have become a nation of superficial talking heads with integrity as deep as a puddle and that's why we have the crap standard of politicians we have as a nation, we don't deserve any better and until the public improve it's a bit of a laugh expecting politicians to improve.

If i had the cash I'd leave tomorrow this UK isn't worth it anymore.

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Can't disagree with that!

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So far you have mocked the disabled and now you're attacking the older generation. I did not think anyone could stoop so low. :rolleyes:

But anyway, you have that the wrong way round - the way I see it, all these fake protests, (of course not talking about the London Tower one, they have a rightful cause on their own), but here we have, some of the young, hi-jacking this tragic cause of theirs and using it, because they disagree with yet again, a democratic result.

Think you need to look in the mirror when it comes to the nastiness, given your attacks on the older generation and mockery of the disabled.

However, yes, things are changing for the better, we are leaving the EU and not before time!

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Mockery of the disabled Mick?? The suggestion that the PM might have autistic traights isn't new. If she does she has my every sympathy in that regard, not mockery.

tbh it's no wonder the stuff that goes down on this forum when you yourself set the bar so low, and are less than even handed. Not going anywhere mate or giving up posting like others have. You could ban me if you want, so you can have an echo chamber with your right wing chums, though I guess even you would soon tire of that.

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All I see on the internet and on the news is labour supporters attacking those that didn't vote labour. The vile responses that I have read and seen are out of this world. Simply because a Labour voter asumes we are better off under a labour Gov. However I haven't seen Tory voters ramming it down peoples throat. Perhaps some poor people see it that Conservatives or any other party would be a better life for them also.

I voted Tories because I think I can see a better country through them. I earn just over 18k as a support worker for the NHS.

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Let's get one thing straight, actually a few things.

I need noones permission to ban any one on here but that's not how I work and I haven't banned someone on here for years, except a few spammers of late.

So just so you know, if I really wanted to ban you, I'd have done it by now.

As for people who may have stopped posting. Said this before, many times. Their choice. The crux of this site is, people come and go as they please. If they stop posting, so be it, I won't ever feel any guilt or lose sleep.

What else? Oh yes, I'm not your mate. I couldn't possibly be a mate with an individual that has persistent issues with democracy. People have died and fought wars for the democratic right. Nor could I respect that person either for the same reasons.

Who are these right wing chums you speak of ? Love to know who they are given I'm not actually right wing myself. ;)

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I think we see, hear and read what we want to suit our own agendas. I've seen the opposite and the full on attacks on Labour from Tory voters. I couldn't vote Tory because their campaign was crap and offered nothing to me personally and the cuts to the disabled affects me all too much. Also Theresa May has been useless up to now. Brexit is going to happen regardless and I don't have much opinion on it either-way but I can see why others would vote Tory on the basis of Brexit.

To be fair I don't get out much, but I do read whats on this site and unfortunately it doesn't help my view of the Tories overall.

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I stand to lose just as much as anyone with any disability cuts and also wasn't impressed with the last election campaign by any of the parties pending where you looked it was lacklustre, remote and downright bribery but there was only one option that gave the UK it's best chance and i voted accordingly. I voted brexit for the benefit of my kids futures not mine i will likely suffer from brexit but again i truly believe leaving the EU is in the longterm best interest of the UK.

After the general election i got a wake up to how far this country has slipped and just how awful some of it's population are and now i find myself not liking much about the UK only a few people give me any hope for the future so barring a lottery win I'll just have to reside here and hope for the best.

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That's just what the loony leftists troublemakers and those who oppose democracy want mate - they trade in nastiness, intimidation and violence and if we give in to them they get their way. Just look at the sort of terminology routinely used to describe people who voted for Brexit - racists, bigots, xenophobes blah blah blah. These people have no interest in democracy, they preach hatred and division just like the Islamists and justify their appalling actions in the same way. They are nasty, nasty, people but in reality they are small in number just like the terrorists. We've seen this all before with nasty pieces of work like Bernie (the police got a good hiding) Grant and the militant loonies who were running Liverpool like their own little kingdom largely by fear and intimidation with a big dose of nepotism for their nasty little mates. We're seeing it again within Corbyn's Labour party. Whatever happened to all that cuddly new politics he was on about eh? Lies and hypocrisy run within some people's DNA mate, none more so than those at the helm of Labour...

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We hear a lot about the 'loony left' on here, but it's the loony right that have caused most of the problems in this country in recent years. Look where it's got us, UKIP loons, the wealth gap and divisions bigger than ever before, the health service crumbling, and the country heading towards becoming a little England backwater to be pitied. There's only so long the right can keep blaming left wing politicians from decades ago for all our problems , well you'd think there was anyway.....

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Theresa May given 10 days by Tory MPs to 'shape up' or step down as leader

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3567506.html

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If they get rid of her which l still think is highly unlikely the public will be less forgivable come the next election one suspects as its yet again another unelected leader with a party putting themselves before their country...

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So we are seeing a post here that is aimed again at saying that the Left are right? or am I wrong in reading it?

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Yeah for those here blaming everything on the Tories just consider how many of these issues Labour DIDN'T address after 13 years in power with a massive majority and all that borrowing/money spent. Now try to blame those same problems all on a party which inherited a basket case economy from Brown, spent 5 years in coalition with Clegg's crew and has only been in government with a tiny majority since 2015. Ask yourselves why Labour didn't change the building regulations they're now telling us are so defective. We're not all idiots.

It's odd how these people went on and on ad nauseam about Thatcher (they're still doing it) yet suddenly want us all to have shorter memories and overlook the role their Labour cronies played in creating the mess we're in now. Excuses, excuses and more excuses. Pathetic Labour, pathetic excuses, pathetic lies.

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No you you've read it right Gavin ;) It's hard to believe anybody has had the temerity to say different to the true blue CF 'grandees'. No govt is totally good or bad as some would have you believe. However there hasn't been a true left wing govt for 40 years, so if you're happy with the way society and the country has gone since then, then fair enough - keep blaming everything that goes wrong on 'lefties' from decades ago, as some would say it's 'pathetic' (and boring like their signatures). Labour may not have won the election but they've dealt the Govt. a fatal blow; the tide is turning, and the Tories are pressing the self destruct as usual. The young are now engaged and voting, and the middle class are beginning to see the light.
(why is this forum coloured blue btw? ;) )

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More nonsense and political opportunism from Corbyn's cronies:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/18/c...e-empty-homes/

They're making it up on the hoof.

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Fatal blow, have I missed the news as this morning I could have sworn the Conservatives were still running the country.

Corbyns mask is already srarting to slip, it's clear he is trying to cause a class war along with McDonnell

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Corbyns little followers are romping ahead on social media and that's translating to greater support and it's about time the tories caught up in that area labour have realised what a great tool social media is and are using it to great affect. Theresa may is a lame duck PM as long as they carry on as they are and the election should have hammered home that this distance approach is not a good idea.

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That's exactly what they're doing quite cynically and dangerously IMHO but they know that and it's a price they're prepared to pay to seize power. It's exactly what their type always do. They'll lie, spin and mislead people as much as they can because all they are interested in is power no matter what the cost.

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Don't know how true this is. David Davis has one or two things in his inbox at the moment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...vative-leader/

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Yeah, that would be because we don't want one. That's the way democracy works.

Since the 70's? Yeah I think we've come a long way since the 70's.

Absolute bollocks. We all know the ultimate fallback position, for anything, is that it's "Thatchers" fault. Nobody blames the lefties for anything because Mrs T sorted it all out. We just don't to go back there.

Thvsame way Gordon Brown dealt David Cameron a fatal crushing blow.

I won't disagree there, Tories are on self destruct and Labour still can't take advantage.

The young like free stuff.

And the " middle class" outside of the M25 still hold sway.

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Who doesn't? The young don't have a monopoly on this! Pensioners have been handed free stuff eg free bus travel, free tv licences etc to secure their votes. Buying votes aka "appealing to demographics" is not new.

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Difference is though that usually, but not always, but most likely, that pensioners have paid into the system for 30-40 years before they receive these benefits.

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That's not the reason that they get those benefits though - it's because they are active voters which until recently the young weren't.

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I will "officially" retire in 5 years (at 66). Can I have a free TV license then Andrew?

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If you spell it as the British do your case will be more convincing. :)

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Just so that you can answer the question.

Can I have a free TV licence in 5 years when I retire????

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Who knows what the law will be in five years' time? Currently if you or a member of your household is 75 you will qualify for it.

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Ah, so your earlier post which stated (amongst other things) that pensioners get free TV licences was incorrect.

Glad to see you admit it when you are wrong!

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And it would be pretty disappointing if the free stuff was taken away from them as they have earned it...

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If they keep doing this the electorate will not forget it or forgive them...

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Based on current life expectancies, most pensioners will qualify for a free TV licence during the course of their retirement.


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I do feel sorry for Theresa May. She's being stabbed in the back by some of the right,-wing of the party at the time of her greatest need. Not a job I'd wish on anyone.

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l think the problem is to her MP's and the wider public is in these past few weeks she has been fatally damaged and as we know that perception is very hard to shift sadly for her.

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DUP sources have let it be known that they are not happy with the way talks with the Conservatives on a possible “confidence and supply” deal are proceeding.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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another election coming sooner now

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I didn't realise that was his age.

It was on Channel 5 earlier that he is to stand for Lib Dem leader.

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Its inevitable Dave if no deal is done.

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Teresa may was a fool to call the snap election, she should have been satisfied with her majority.

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Selfish party political gain came before the country..

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and it came back to bite her butt big time

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But not really. She made a gamble, played a poor hand but she was not wiped out, she used her Trump card with the DUP.

Meanwhile, the other players round the table folded far too soon.

UKIP folded their cards almost straight away, followed by Greens.

Liberal Democrats lasted more rounds than expected.

Labour thought they could show their Ace card but Diane Abbott didn't way up Labour's hand well and they were left a few cards short of a Royal flush.

To conclude, wasn't much money left in the winning pot, Labour borrowed it to pay for everyone's lunch. In the end, no one won anything huge outright.

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I think again she will shoot herself in the foot. The Government has stated that they will keep the Police funding at the same level.

But other forces will suffer.

Every force in the country needs more funding and more officers.

Thames Valley Force is the second largest force in the country. It stretches from Windsor right up to Gloucester.

This is what is wrong at the moment. We have terrorism on our streets every couple of weeks. And the resources are stretched to the limit.

Its all about saving money - so that the rich can have all the breaks necessary, and that we can send more money abroad.

Its about time this country, looked after its own people first.

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no she wasn't wiped out but she had a majority and expected a landside lost her majority and it came back to bite her butt and struggling with her coalition of chaos

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But she was expected to win by a landslide according to the pollsters and those close to her and even many of the public thought that as well.

Taking any biased politics out of it she is right in the brown stuff as once voters get that perception its very hard to shift as you know but then if they get rid of her then a even worse scenario will face them when they come before the electorate again.

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One of the real mistakes was to play for a long election fight to allow JC to make endless unfunded promises of free money. Should have been a real snap election to catch Labour on the back foot while the polls were pro Tory.

The manifesto was a total disaster. Who ever wrote that should be taken out the back and shot. Fox hunting FGS.

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As I said she played her hand, hedged her bets but she did not lose all her money.

Labour spent all theirs and wanted to borrow more to pay for all their uncosted promises. :rolleyes:

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The only reason she's still there is that the Tories realise a new leader would almost certainly mean a another General Election, which they'd lose. They hate her, but they can't dump her atm.

As for Labour 'spending all their money' , I think you'll find they have a lot more resources than the Tories; Labour party membership 517,000, Conservatives 150,000 (decreasing by the day due to the inevitable effects of old age....)

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in term of members only as in raising money tories 3 times ahead

Sky News‏
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The Conservative Party raised almost three times more than Labour in donations ahead of the General Election

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What makes you think they would lose another General Election?

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Has it ever occurred to you that students grow up, and due to their education, tend to become middle class and vote Tory!

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Mmm and where does their money come from ??? Not from coffee mornings...

However feet on the ground counts for more than money.

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http://uk.businessinsider.com/survat...vatives-2017-6

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[QUOTE=Mr K;35904142]Mmm and where does their money come from ??? Not from coffee mornings...

However feet on the ground counts for more than money.

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http://uk.businessinsider.com/survat...vatives-2017-6[/QUOTE

That's good news for Labour, they just need to make it last for up to 5 years now.

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They also learn not to trust those who promise and don't deliver. Clegg knows all about that.

This is what you get with Labour:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/20/c...s-commie-chum/

https://order-order.com/2017/06/20/n...udd-to-hitler/

Dangerous, nasty ****.

Re: The 2017 General Election
 

This doesn't automatically have to happen though. Generally these people acquire property, mortgages and start to earn more and in turn they vote Tory. But home ownership continues to decline amongst the young and generally wages are stagnating.

The big reason for Labour improving is the 25 to 39 groups had a strong turnout and were more Labour than usual.


Age is still the deciding factor but it's getting older and older.

Re: The 2017 General Election