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Still one of my favourite moments from last year :D

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You can just see how people like McDonnell are full of hate. They are indeed highly dangerous and just as appalling as their right wing equivalents. Give people like them power and see how they abuse it.

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A nazi would be :shrug:

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Despite lack of clarity from Corbyn on Hamas and Hezbollah, concerning though it is, at this point in time, there is no evidence to equate the current labour leadership with the Nazis. Keeping an eye on this would be prudent though.

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Will JC not be gone soon anyway?

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He's the polar opposite of a nazi which I think is the point, such an extreme view wouldn't be given the air time but the exact opposite extreme view is

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Apologies for dragging things of topic but our families histories aren't dissimilar and I've wanted to ask you this before but couldn't find the appropriate words, still can't so I'll just blurt it out, did they murder your grandfather because of the SS affiliation?

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June the 9th to be exact..

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Things we've learnt from the Tories so far:-

Interfering in the market to cap energy prices (something they derided Ed Milliband for !)

No guarantee not to raise taxes.

End of the pensions triple lock.

Conflicting messages on whether they have an immigration cap any longer.

I could almost vote for this lot, if only they weren't Tories ;). They'll certainly get Blair's vote !

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The Nazis were a tool to exterminate the Jewish race. Hamas and Hezbollah and associated groups want to do the same and make Islam the only religion.


Extreme Socialism is effectively a humanist organisation that believes all religions are wrong. The Labour party has no plans to ban members who follow a religion.



The Jewish nation will never be exterminated. Whatever happens there will always be a remnant.

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You're assuming that he and his supporters don't conclude that everyone else is the problem. My oh my, how the Tories must be thanking Miliband for changing the rules and allowing a tool like Corbyn to take over his party. :D

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In reality the message has come through loud and clear: Incompetent and dangerous.

:rofl:

Must be another Jeremy Corbyn whose existance I was previously un-aware of.:D

Quote Source

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I disagree. Communists have been responsible for far more deaths than the Nazis. McDonnell is a communist (marxist).
I’ve just seen Nazi banners in Trafalgar Square. Well, almost

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That's ok. He had no SS affiliation (that was my father). They were going to murder my grandfather because he was the local magistrate and a sucessful farmer. His life was saved by a Jewish chap that they bumped into on the way to the forest who convinced the communist soldiers that they had the wrong man.

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Soz :blush:

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Exactly :tu:

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Doubt it!

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It won't let me read that article. (it probably want's money from me to do so :))


At the moment the Labour Party is not a communist party. With leaders such as McDonnell, should we be keeping an eye out for a move in that direction --- absolutely. they are not being honest with the public as per the Marr interview, or with the thousands of new recruits to the party.


We can hope that a defeat for Labour in the election will bring them back to their senses, and a return to a left of centre social concern party.


Of probably more concern is if Blair and his ilk take control, as they are out and out globalists.

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It's not the party that I take issue with, it's the communists running it.Agreed.

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Think this thread has gone a bit 'doolally'. It's a General Election, not a rerun of the Second World War....

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Vince Cable accused of helping CORBYN after secret recording calling for tactical voting


The former Lib Dem Cabinet minister was heard urging supporters of his party to back the best-placed candidate in their constituency to beat the Tories.

And also said many people in the Labour Party had "views very close to mine".

Senior Tories seized on his remarks as fresh evidence of a plot to build a "coalition of chaos" that could make hard-Left Mr Corbyn prime minister

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-election-2017

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Another secret recording? You'd have thought he might have learned his lesson last time he was caught out. :D

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it doesn't bode well communists and libtards getting together possibly forming a new entity little timmy the commutards ;)

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The communtards I can understand but Little Timmy needs to realise the majority of voters don't even want to know.

Little Timmy and the Labour party need to realise they are going to get a beating in the election.

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Trousers down. :D

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Bring back the Bitrch!!! They'll love it!

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Interesting stats cropped up in one of my feeds:

Labour 2010
National debt £979.8bn
National debt as a % of GDP 65%

Conservatives 2016
National debt £1,731.4tn
National debt as a % of GDP 89%

If it's correct, it puts an interesting slant on things.

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Especially as Labour are projecting a spending spree on borrowed money. This will only make it much worse.

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I wonder how much worse the figures would now be had Labour stayed in power spending money like there was no tomorrow and signing outrageously expensive PFI contracts. They have a habit of leaving others to clear up their mess.

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The interesting slant is that it totally ignores the LibDem involvement.

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It doesn't put any slant on anything. These figures, and the reason for them, are well known.

The national debt has gone up because there is a structural deficit - each year, we spend more than we raise in tax. There is a structural deficit because Labour allowed welfare and other spending to spiral and because in 2008 they then had to borrow a shedload of cash to bail out the banks. Because we have to service the debt, in order to shrink the deficit the Tory government since 2010 has been reducing public spending (the austerity Lefties like to bleat about). Only once the structural deficit has been eliminated can the national debt start to fall.

If there is a Tory government after June 8 this year, the deficit will shrink and disappear, and the national debt will start to be paid down.

If there is a Labour government after June 8, the deficit and the debt will go up, just as it would have done if Labour had won in 2015.

The choice really is that simple.

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Debt isn't a useful measurement. As long as we have a deficit the debt will increase naturally. This would have been especially true post-2008 and for many years after that as we entered recession and the deficit increased.

At lot of this is tribal. Labour complaining the Tories have increased the debt as if they wouldn't have, as if anyone wouldn't have, after coming into government and the Tories lifting policies from Labour's 2015 manifesto that they deemed economically stupid then but helping people now. I remember the howls of derision pointed at Miliband for the cap on energy prices and now it's going to be Tory policy just two years later. Labour are promising to protect the triple-lock (which is bad policy) and the Tories aren't. The 'proper' socialists leading the Labour Party are going to rule out tax rises for '95% of people'. :spin:

I really do think you could take the Tory Manifesto, package it as Labours, and give it to a Labour supporter only to hear them gush about how much better it is than the Tories and the same the other way around.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...a7723491.html#
Nice to find an issue parties can unite on ! Poor Jeremy, probably save May from sacking him anyway...

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Well you can also attempt to stimulate the economy in the hope the debt ratio to GDP lowers and the debt becomes less daunting and even inflates away. Maybe a package of infrastructure spending and investment will be a part of the Tory platform this time. Austerity has ostensibly being happening for 7 years and seems to have had more success in causing resentment and unrest than achieving the self-imposed goals the Tories had. I think they'll be storing up problems if they come unto a decade of it with no end in sight.

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Interesting post. Hasn't there been a shift in spending towards more capital expenditure eg Crossrail and away from funding of councils? This looks set to continue with HS2.
Interestingly, councils have been borrowing from the low-interest Public Works Loans Board to fund over £1bn of property investment. They then rent the property out for profit to subsidise their day-to-day activities. How long this business model can last I'm not sure.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-credit-bubble
http://www.publiclawtoday.co.uk/loca...rchases-report

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:tu: :(

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See the Tory energy cap is likely to increase bills!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...may-can-bring/

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I noticed that. I'm flummoxed as to why the tories are considering such a move. :confused:

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They want to attract the just-about-managings in non-traditional Conservative areas and this is an issue for such people.

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So much resentment that they won the election and will likely win this one by an even greater margin. I reckon the PM will welcome resentment like that. ;)

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It is however more likely to hit the 'financially astute' , those that shop around and regularly switch for the cheapest deals. These are the deals likely to rise/disappear. More likely to be Tories, that's why some Ministers/ the Torygraph aren't happy. They called Ed Miliband a 'Marxist' for proposing exactly the same thing the last election !

Privatisation hasn't worked for the consumer, it's just made massive profits for the energy companies.

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May has made it clear previously, that she is prepared, if necessary, intervene in the markets if it adversely affects normal working people. A very positive move in my view. I welcome a more socially conscious Conservative party. Especially as Corbyn's Labour party is heading way to the left.

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If people are so concerned about the cost of their energy and so delighted by this news, why have so few bothered to switch tariffs/suppliers? That's something which doesn't have to wait for an election promise to be honoured years down the line and is going to save them far more than any cap on the standard rate tariff (estimated at only £100pa) is likely to yield.

:confused:

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On a lighter note :)
Former Labour MP Kate Hoey photoshops Lib Dem rival out of picture but forgets his legs

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Mainly because if you want a better tariff, you have to go Direct Debit (this guarantees the Energy supplier their money, as there is quite a bad debt (people not paying) on the Standard Variable Tariffs.

One other thing that the papers/Government never mention - they are insisting that the Energy suppliers roll out Smart meters by 2020, and the companies have to fund this at a total cost of £11 billion.

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Guess who they'll be passing that charge onto, energy cap or not? Although I am one of those who unashamedly switches for the cheapest and might get hit by this, there's something very wrong with the current system. Those that can least afford to pay, on prepayment meters etc, are being charged much more per unit of energy. It needs a complete overhaul of make it fairer, whilst allowing the companies to make a reasonable profit.

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Surely this can be funded from the billions the companies have made from the rental they charge for the privilege of having a meter which allows them to charge for the energy they supply.

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The problem is a lack of standardisation between smart meters. We had one fitted with one company and when we switched to another company it failed to work correctly and it took 4 months before it worked efficiently enough for my husband to stop having to call to check figures with the company.

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Here's Corbyn not answering the question about whether the UK will definitely leave the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/electio...itely-leave-eu

Pathetic fool. He demands clarity and detail from the PM but has nothing to say aside from the same old cloud cuckoo land guff he's famous for.

It's not at all odd how he singles out HMG for being abusive towards the EU but has nothing to say about their actions because, just as he is with nuclear weapons, he's weak and would certainly not get the best deal for the UK in any set of circumstances.

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Not sure I understand that fully, sorry. Are you saying that to change to a new, cheaper, supplier you have to do a direct debit? Yes, to get the very best deal from them you could well have to but there'd surely still be savings to be made simply by changing company and paying the normal way. :shrug:

I don't see why direct debit ought to be a problem for a great many people either. People are increasingly running their lives via automated payments etc.

The whole smart meter thing is going to turn into a very costly joke and yes we will wind up paying for it, just not through our taxes.

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There are quite a lot of people who can't get a bank account, or who have no option but to use a pre-pay meter.

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17 million households of them?

I believe the figures for households without a bank account is 1 to 1.5 million.

Pre-payment meters account for 16% of the market, which is around 4 million households, and they already have a price cap.

https://www.ft.com/content/05b30f7c-...5-4eaa66292c32

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How will increasing their bills help them just about manage more?

I'm not impressed with the tory message, vote for us because we're the best of a sorry bunch and I'm not falling for their scare tactics again like last time either when their a vote for anyone else is a vote for the SNP suckered me.

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Yes, they do, but this policy bothers me - at the present time, I cannot see why the problem is being tackled this way.

Far better to steer away from these ghastly green commitments we have entered into and bring bills down that way. Better for the Government to invest in solutions that would work (unlike unreliable wind turbines), like nuclear power, and research into nuclear fusion.

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What is it with Corbyn's cronies and basic numbers? You'd think that after Abbott's inept performances they'd all be right on top of their briefs wouldn't you. It's not much to ask is it? Here's the shadow education secretary Angela Rayner doing her best to make Abbott look good:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...olicy-ferrari/

She doesn't know how many children will benefit from what she's claiming is a major new Labour policy.

I mean it's not like they stopped her in the street and caught her off guard. She went into the interview and didn't even have the figures. What a complete joke these people are.

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Source & Picture

They really are the nasty party now.

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Correct and anyone who had their eyes open and brain switched on in the 1970's will already know that. Not being a great student of political history, I have no idea when their nastiness really started but it hasn't gone away - scratch the surface and it's alive and prospering with Corbyn and McDonnell at the helm.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39877439

I imagine they'll claim it'll all be paid for by increasing taxes on companies and the rich - the very people who can easily shift themselves and their money elsewhere...

Same old Labour garbage.

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Nationalising the trains, the buses, Royal Mail, the gas and the electricity ... paid for with what, exactly?

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Here's Harpersons's hubby Jack Dromey explaining to Andrew Neil just how much Labour's corporation tax changes will bring in:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/10/j...ax-rise-bring/

:rofl:

Can someone explain why anyone would vote for these people. :shrug:

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I wonder who's going to vote for Labour?

apart from everybody.

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All that vastly overstated corporation tax revenue they've already spent many times over.

:D

Funny how Labour are acutely aware of the problem of so called tax havens which attract businesses by imposing lower rates of CT but don't seem to think that UK businesses would do the very same thing. :rolleyes:

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Did anyone get a letter from Theresa begging for their vote?

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I think essential services should be publicly owned, So Rail, Energy, post and transport should be. To me it's a really dangerous move for the Chinese to be involved in the Hinkley Point software.


There isn't enough money in the pot to do it at the moment, Maybe May will add it to her 'to do in the future' list, now that she has dipped her toe in the state intervention game with energy prices :) I won't hold my breath though :D

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Remember the days of British Rail and the GPO do you? ;)

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l did and like the other parties it was full of tripe , tripe and even more tripe so like the others it went in the bin..

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Steven Hawkins once said that only time travel to the past would be possible, Labours manifesto intends to prove that statement by taking us back to the 70's.

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Other countries manage to have decent nationalised rail, some of them even own some of our franchises as well, and we also had to nationalise the track part after Railtrack after it collapsed and after there was a series of safety disasters. Even America has a nationalised rail network.

I don't think we should nationalise most things but rail is a natural monopoly. There any only be one provider for a given route so the intended benefits of privatisation, i.e competition, doesn't really work. The companies given franchises and there is little incentive for long term investment and they rarely get badly punished for poor performance.

To me it seems almost a religious obsession with either nationalisation or privatisation. People pick a side and then think everything should be one or the other. Privatisation his good because is good and more efficient no matter what it's applied too.

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I'm talking about essential national services only. We live in uncertain times. Our essential infrastructure should not dependant on the ownership by foreign countries.


This is nothing to do with any form of political philosophy,

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If you want a vision of Britain after 5 years of Corbyn think Venezuela but without oil. :(

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why so negative :shrug: on the plus side we only worked 3 days a week and only had to sit in the dark some of the time .:)

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The worrying thing of course is that this is what the Tory partY manifesto will be in 2022 :O

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Yep, dead piled up in the streets and rubbish un-buried, or maybe it was the other way round. :D

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Yes they do, but in my experience they were rubbish and there's nothing in Labour's history to suggest they'd do it any differently this time around hence my opinion.

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No, I didn't think you'd suddenly gone insane. ;)

Aside from Nuclear Power stations, which we apparently no longer have the expertise to build it seems, I don't see how the ultimate ownership of the railways or postal service, say, is a particular threat. It's not like the foreign owners can suddenly decide to shut them down and prevent them working so what's the big threat to the UK?

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If any shananigans like that were to take place we'd deploy troops to force the companies to stay operating in the national interest.

Anyway it's not like nationalised industries don't suffer damaging strikes, remember BL were on strike more than they were making cars in the bad old seventies and British Steel was loosing £3m of tax payers money a DAY.

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The French and German rail networks are pretty good. Why can't Britain do it? I think half of the reason is the government wants to abdicate responsibility for it so no one gets blamed when something like Southern Rail happens. Major investment still has to be done by the government anyway, it's not like telecoms where privatisation led to proper competition and infrastructure development as a result.

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Because nobody really wants their taxes to rise in order to pay for the decades of under-investment which happened when they were publicly owned? In theory yes it ought to be the best way but as I said before, history in the UK indicates it wasn't. Yes that could probably be changed with an entirely different govt. approach but all the evidence is that Corbyn's rooted in 1970's ideology and not going to emulate all that's best about state ownership of infrastructure in Europe. He'd only ensure we returned to the bad old days when the unions controlled this critical infrastructure and frequently closed it down, which is in large part what led to privatisation in the first place.

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Well ultimately that'd be the response yes. I do have concerns about possible foreign interference with the likes of nuclear power stations but cyber attacks don't require ownership even if the technology being supplied could presumably have 'backdoors' which could be exploited by a disgruntled foreign power.

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All essential utility services are software controlled these days. It just doesn't sit right with me that some parts of these services in the UK have foreign ownership.


Not only that, but I don't think essential services; electricity, water, transport etc. should be run for profit.


Granted, in the past, publicly owned services appear to have been run badly. But it can't be above the wit of man to run publicly owned essential services as efficiently as the privately run businesses.


Apparently, public ownership of essential public services (and only those) is a popular policy, even with 'anti-Marxist people like me :D

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You have to remember that industrial networks and control systems are rarely connected to the internet and never directly for obvious reasons and use different protocols to normal net traffic: Commonly Modbus, Fieldbus and Profibus. There are also stand-alone "policemen" on critical control systems that are not networked.

Whilst we do program in "backdoors" they're mainly for rescuing customers who have put in some weird setup and locked themselves out. They usually relay on actual physical access to the instrument.

The most famous malicious program is Stuxnet but that exploited Windows vulnerability and Siemens Programmable Logic Controlers.

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It clearly isn't beyond the wit of man but maybe it's beyond the wit of our politicians and their dogma.

It's much easier to be positive about things when you're not being subjected to them and/or haven't experienced them. Nationalise rail and it wouldn't be too long before people started complaining about that for one reason or another. That's always the way.

Yes it ought to be possible to run things far better taking the best of what public ownership could offer with the best of what private sector involvement brings. It just never seems to happen that way sadly.

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:D Southern Rail ;)

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That's one franchise. ;)

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Well I must say it's good to hear that Corbyn's no longer a complete pacifist. :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39892281

Even in the unlikely event that it's true it's perfectly obvious that by the time he'd made up his mind to launch a military action it'd in all probability be too late.

Meanwhile in other news from Labour HQ, John McDonnell's no longer a Marxist and Momentum isn't a bunch of loony lefties.. :rofl:

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For those who never experienced the 70's you might want to read this I experienced all this and it wasn't funny. Corbyn's policies would have us right back there.

The headline says it all:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...9&d=1494576933

Labour with its head buried firmly in the sand

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The problem with rail in this country was a direct result of the second world war. Rather than performing regular maintanence the rail companies were reduced to running on a shoestring just to keep services running as best they could and repairing the callosal damage inflicted.

After the war the government had to spend money on getting German infrastructure up and running as an occuping force so no money was available to compensate the rail companies.

Nationalisation of the rail came into effect rather than the rail companies going into recievership and we having no rail services.

Comparing rail in this country, lacking in investment is like chalk and cheese if you compare it with Europe.

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Yes it is and that's why we are where we are. To develop what we've got to the standard of the best in Europe having taken the network back into public ownership would cost many billions and necessitate the tax rises nobody will vote for. Catch 22.

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So Farron's big idea is to legalise cannabis. He reckons it'll solves all sorts of problems, generate loads of revenue and put the drug dealers out of business.

Hmmm. If I were a drug dealer I think I'd just produce a stronger version and undercut the price of the official stuff. It'd take time but and yes there'd be a proportion of people who'd prefer to rely on the officially supplied gear but there'd be a great many who'd simply want to try something cheaper and stronger. This is exactly what's happening with Spice now isn't it? It's also the reason out sea and airports are flooded with cheap and all too often dodgy cigarettes which people choose to buy knowing all the risks of, for example, product contamination and lack of quality control, because they're cheaper.

Yep HMG could reduce the prices it charges for the official cannabis but where does that leave the predicted revenue stream?

Also if they legalise small scale home cultivation how are they intending to protect neighbours from the pungent aroma these plants generate or are non drug users just going to have to live with that?

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[QUOTE=Osem;35898502]Yes it is and that's why we are where we are. To develop what we've got to the standard of the best in Europe having taken the network back into public ownership would cost many billions and necessitate the tax rises nobody will vote for. Catch 22.

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So Farron's big idea is to legalise cannabis. He reckons it'll solves all sorts of problems, generate loads of revenue and put the drug dealers out of business.

Hmmm. If I were a drug dealer I think I'd just produce a stronger version and undercut the price of the official stuff. It'd take time but and yes there'd be a proportion of people who'd prefer to rely on the officially supplied gear but there'd be a great many who'd simply want to try something cheaper and stronger. This is exactly what's happening with Spice now isn't it? It's also the reason out sea and airports are flooded with cheap and all too often dodgy cigarettes which people choose to buy knowing all the risks of, for example, product contamination and lack of quality control, because they're cheaper.

Yep HMG could reduce the prices it charges for the official cannabis but where does that leave the predicted revenue stream?

Also if they legalise small scale home cultivation how are they intending to protect neighbours from the pungent aroma these plants generate or are non drug users just going to have to live with that?[/QUOTE]

it's ok i'm used to my house stinking of someone else's skunk.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...3&d=1494586580
:D


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Had to laugh at my red top today. It names the Labour candidate for Hammersmith as a Mr Slaughter and the neighbouring constuency of Fulham is contested for Labour by a Mr De'ath.

Seems strangely appropriate. :D

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And perhaps if you ran as a candidate they would call you Mr Undertaker.;):D

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Well, with Corbyn in charge, Labour is certainly in a grave situation.

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We can have an RIP thread on the 9th of June. :D

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If Corbyn gets in I would hope so.:D

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Don't you mean party?

The demise of Corbyn's cronies will be great cause for celebration. :drunk:

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See the quality of debate is as high as ever on CF ! Watch out Question Time ! The 'usual suspects' and their tabloid quotes involved :D

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and the quality of the spelling;)

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thanks Smurf, another usual suspect, although at least one with a gsoh.

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Here's Corbyn's Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury making a fool of herself:

https://order-order.com/2016/11/23/l...alls-to-earth/

They really haven't got a clue.

:rofl:

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Jeremy Corbyn claimed Nato was a 'danger to world peace' and was arrested at an IRA-linked protest
"On a journey" :rofl:

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He's still on the journey as he doesn't know where he is going.

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If the West backed it, Corbyn was against it. Pretty much the cheat sheet to quickly know his position on any foreign policy issue since the war. NATO? Against. Falklands War? Against. And so on.

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It's the same old journey - he's on the political version of the Circle Line and can't decide where to get off.

:D

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he's getting off in 1973 ;)

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:rofl:

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That would be forward to the past :)

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He's travelling along a one way street on the road to nowhere with no u-turns.