Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You will get UHD but not the full benefits of HDR as basically your TV isn't compatible with HLG (HDR).:D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It is backward compatible with SDR TVs, so I would have thought that many viewers who cannot get HDR would be able to get HLG.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

HLG is essentially HDR just under a different name, it uses different techniques etc that give similar/same results as HDR.

A TV obviously needs to be HLG compatible to enjoy the full affect.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

But the BBC only support a select few for UHD playback, in Beta as well. This would help to not overload their servers.

Anyway, i don’t think it is a server issue. The BBC have said that it is technically challenging for them to show live UHD on iPlayer.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You need support in your TV for HLG. I can't see that being done for SDR UHD TVS, as I can't see a reason to do so.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It's true you can watch HLG on an SDR TV. This fact clearly helps the beeb out, no need for extra channels the same channel will cater for those with SDR and HDR TVs in one go. Your TV will just switch to HLG(HDR) mode if it's compatible.

Don't quote me on the above, as far as I understand that's how it will all work.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I'm not blown away with UHD tennis on Eurosport 4K.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The tv needs a different spec for HDR HLG too, as Samsung have said their 2016 range can’t be updated to HLG.

I don’t think we are getting a 4K feed from the tennis tbh.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Agreed. The footy on BT was better. On the tennis for a start the colours seem a tad too overblown. Maybe so far BT are just better at delivering 4K.

I hope the beeb hurries up with some 4K sport and more, whatever anyone may think of the beeb technically they are usually spot on.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I've not seen BT just several sports on Sky Sports UHD and they've been great but so far this Eurosport 4K feed on my Sky Q box certainly isn't blowing me away.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

There are two BBC UHD HLG demos currently available. One is a Planet Earth 2 loop, the other is a short FA Cup loop.

I think the quality of the cameras are better for the 4K footy.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I can only seem to find the Planet Earth 2 video. When I first saw It, it blew my mind. I couldn't believe how brilliant the picture quality was. Absolutely amazing!

Is the football one in the same place?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You have to be in the Beta version to view the FA Cup loop.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Ah ok - I'll check after work tonight. Thanks for the info, mate :)

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I've just an LG OLED C7 4K TV to connect to my V6 box and I was wondering what settings I should use for the Video section in the V6 box.Should i just tick the 2160 and 2160 pass through boxes, or should I tick the 1080i & 1080P ones as well

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Hi John,

On mine, I selected all video formats. I assumed that the V6 would then output at the highest resolution, but from the discussion over the Champions League Final in UHD, I'm not so sure.

I'm going to try and put mine on just 2160 and 2160 pass-through to see if that changes anything.

When I just had these selected, the Youtube app didn't work, this may have been fixed now. I haven't tried it since.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Probably 2160 + 2160-passthrough. But you could try various things and see which looks best to you.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Ignoring the passthru options here as I refering to tv output...

If you select anything other than 2160p then the 4k channels are not sent to TiVo in 2160p - even if 2160p is also selected.

But if you leave 2160p only - then the non-2160p output looks poor when comparing it to pictures where the tv does the upscaling.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

If you took those shades off Ozsat you wouldn't have to worry about the amount of pixels, isn't it time for walkies ? ;)

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

They are not mutually exclusive activities...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

If you say so Hugh.....

Personally I don't see how watching England go out in the first round of the World Cup in UHD is going to be any better. The more blurred it is , the better....

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

If you want blurred, have a few drinks - a lot of people want to watch in UHD as others across the continent will be, not much to ask really.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Why don’t you go back to watching it on a black and white 10 inch TV in mono?

Technology advances, and if you don’t want to join in, you don’t have to - it also isn’t necessary to urinate in others’ chips that do want to.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I've never urinated in anyone's chips !
Still searching for some humour on these forums, technobabble threads like this are fair game - I won't give up ! :). Maybe we should be focussing on the quality of the programmes rather than the PQ.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Again, not mutually exclusive- it’s not an either/or scenario, no matter how many times you try to position it as such...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You are so perverse, Mr K! :D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Just noticed this ?

https://www.whathifi.com/news/bbc-4k...tion-week-away

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It certainly looks like we are finally starting to turn the corner with UHD! Another good reason to watch streamed sport events!

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I’ve noticed the Eurosport 4K feed has no Dolby Digital track compared to the HD one.

No ads too, which is a bonus.

Is the V6 HLG capable for BBC iPlayer?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I believe so it's just down to the TVs

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Hmm to me the Eurosport 4K tennis seems to have improved the last day or two when compared to the first two days. Maybe there was some kind of issue at first interfering with it reaching it's full potential. Anyone else think it's improved?

I quite enjoy watching the feed now, whereas at first it didn't seem all that great. The BT footy seemed much better.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

World Cup 2018: BBC iPlayer to stream matches in 4K HDR - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44308154

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It could be a lottery for viewers - it says: It will limit the number of screens with access, and will do so on a first-come first-served basis.

Each will be limited to "tens of thousands of people" - the exact number of iPlayer-equipped devices has not been specified in advance.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It kind of reminds me of 3D and that did not end up well...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

If it's anything like the planet earth trial VMs V6 boxes won't get access to it whilst Sky Q users will

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I could have told you that 3D would be a 5-minute wonder. It's the glasses and the nausea that put people off.

4k is a different matter, though, because it provides such good PQ for larger screens.

It's 8K that is more likely to flounder as the difference in PQ would not be noticeable on any screen you are likely to have in your lounge (unless perhaps wall-to-wall screens ever become the rage).

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

BBC are to show the World Cup in 4K and virtual reality via app!

But first come first served.

But then they say only tens of thousands can watch live in HD, confused.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Won't improve the outcome though: Win one by luck. Draw one that should have been won. Lose one by penalties and on the plane home. :D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I’m not watching it just for England though.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

At least the grass will look nice. :erm:

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Similar to V6/BT/Sky Q, but it will be the first in HLG (HDR).

I assume it is down to costs that it is not being shown on Sky and Virgin, or to not annoy Freeview payers too.

On the BBC list the V6 box is down to be confirmed for HLG.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Full list of devices compatible with iPlayer UHD

Virgin 2016 TV V6 Box *TBC*

Sky Q whilst on the Planet earth trial now appears to be missing from the list

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/latest-news/live-uhd

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Max 36mbps.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-0...world_cup_2018

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The SkyQ Planet Earth trial was for UHD only - not HLG/HDR.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes it was:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2016-1...l-planet-earth

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Sky Q doesn't use the standard BBC iPlayer app so not really a surprise there.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Ha ha - what a farce, typical Beeb cannot do anything properly

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Seems like that's a reasonably fair way to do it as the first major 4K streaming they've done.

Better the limit the numbers than risk the stream quality itself (and even then that might still happen)

And if you're limiting the numbers, then first come first served again seems fair.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The SkyQ box is NOT a connected box - iPlayer is a download only service and is not streamed. There is no live capacity for the service.

The SkyQ box has not yet had the HDR software update.

It may have had the HLG version but it would only play back in regular 4K.

HDR is due later in the year but as Sky are still rolling out their latest software with still doesn't have HDR - it is inlikely to appear in the next fe weeks.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Sky Q is a connected box it just doesn't have the version of iPlayer that smart TV's have , it uses progressive download as opposed to streaming.

Other apps on Sky Q use streaming such as YouTube , Vevo , Red Bull TV and the forthcoming Netflix service as well as the sidebar apps.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Well yes - its connected - but is respect on BBC iPlayer it is not the BBC connected service. In fact there isn't really a BBC iPlayer, it is just a BBC section for downloading,

The Planet Earth UHD was a download - but it had no signalling to enable HDR or HLG.

To stream live HLG for the World Cup on iPlayer requires two big steps.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

That's a great shame in my opinion. Sky Q customers are disadvantaged by this. Hopefully, Sky will relent and rectify this soon - it surely camnot be difficult to achieve this.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I'm sorry but how are they disadvantaged ?

I get all the same content you do , if its a boxset subsequent episodes are queued up and ready.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

They are disadvantaged because they still have to download content and cannot access the streaming service. That's all I meant.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It's the same content though , maybe it's just me but deleting something doesn't seem that taxing neither does waiting the 5-10 seconds or so for it to become available to view. I've also had some shows downloaded that have allowed me to watch when the shows availability has left the streaming version of iPlayer.

I have the online version of IPlayer available on my TV and numerous devices but still prefer to use the Q box.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes, I am sure that this does not concern some subscribers at all, but personally, I would find that annoying.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I have to delete recordings I've made so no difference really , as I say purely personal preference but I like all my catch up being under one menu system and without the need to open apps up.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Each to their own l say....

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Completely agree Den the beauty of choice , no one system suits all both have pros and cons.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I think that is an advantage not a disadvantage.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Streaming services tend to 'buffer', downloads don't.

If everyone is trying to stream this UHD at the same time, there might be issues. Stick with Freeview, it's usually 10 seconds ahead of Sky/VM anyway.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35948808) Streaming services tend to 'buffer', downloads don't.

That’s true on the TiVo. I found the I-Player to be virtually impossible to watch on that. No such problem on the V6 and my 200MB broadband.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

How can you watch live football if the match is not available to stream but is on a download?

For old programmes downloads are likely to be better but are not available instantly - but some on SkyQ find the programme can take a long time to be viewable. It will not let you watch it until it is sure it can download the whole programme before you catch up with its 'reached so far' point in the download.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Over the past month I have downloaded a large number of programmes - without fail they have been viewable within a short period of time (a minute or 2)

Have I been lucky then?

Or maybe those having that problem have a low broadband speed - you normally get what you pay for!

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Strange comment, but as long as you're happy.....:erm:

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Regarding World Cup in UHD

You'll need a compatible 4K TV. The full list of compatible 4K iPlayer TVs is here, and it includes 2016, 2017 and 2018 LG TVs, 2017 and 2018 Samsung TVs, plus TVs from Loewe, Panasonic, Philips and more.

There are some notable absentees, including Samsung's 2016 TVs, which though they do support HLG, don't support DVB-DASH, the technology standard behind the BBC's adaptive streaming. Similarly Sony's 2017 A1 OLED isn't on the list.

If you have a 4K TV that isn't on the list, you do have the option of the Virgin TV V6 box. Interestingly, there doesn't appear to be support for live 4K iPlayer broadcasts on Sky Q, even though the Sky Q platform does appear on the list of supported devices for on demand (rather than live) Ultra HD iPlayer content. We're looking to clarify that with the BBC.


https://www.whathifi.com/advice/4k-b...tra-hd-iplayer

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The V6 box is pending though.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes - says TBC on the devices list - I'm not sure why the article didn't mention this.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

tens of thousands... this isnt going to go well, especially if the v6 is added.

I used to be quite pro the bbc but with the world cup being set for long time, they really should and could have got this sorted a long time back.

i suppose the cuts are all part of this....

edit: what virgin should do is to offer the bbc their bandwith for virgin customers so we can all access it and it frees up more slots for non virgin users. if the v6 is on the list, its going to hit the cap instantly. dunno if virgin could host a live stream or just give the bbc a bucket of extra bandwidth to use.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Well they're offering more than ITV. If people want more from the BBC, they are going to have to pay a bigger licence fee, which compared to a VM subscription is great value.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I can see many people getting frustrated when they cannot access the stream. I think I will just pretend its not available and enjoy the world cup.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You're not supporting England then ;)

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I support England all the way until the inevitable happens.:D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

They have Hitatchi but not Hisense???

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Don't forget about the tissues..;)

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Wrong channel Den :D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Someone else has suggested the BBC offer VM an exclusive "Red Button" stream that could use the TV bandwidth rather than the app. Trouble is it is bound to rub someone up the wrong way. I can see the headlines now:

BBC gives preferential treatment to paying Virgin customers over all their other licence fee payers.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

yeah I would normally agree as I know it was a pain when oddly the v6 didnt get the planet earth stuff but sky did etc.

but in this case it would be a win win and it mean they get more chance of seeing a stream.

but to be honest, this has gained quite a lot of attention and with only tens of thousands of streams, I think its going to end up being a potential massive own goal (very apt pun!)....

Im genuinely amazed at how stupid the bbc has been about this considering the fixed dates etc.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Quite agree they have had a long time to get the testing done in preparation for providing a service (which is what we pay for).

The ide of providing the stream for virgin BB users is a good one (leaving the limited availability for others) - could even use channel 100 for it so we could record if required.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't understand the obsession of wanting to record everything, especially with the world cup.

If you miss a game, there is no way to escape the results, they are going to be everywhere instantly.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Not an obsession - just a matter of time switching.

The games are on throughout the afternoon - some people have to work!

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

They are, but getting away from the results is going to be difficult these days.

That's why I don't record any live football games. I can get away recording the f1, but with the football I know I'll accidentally see it somewhere lol

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Well England played early yesterday evening, started watching the recording this morning 10.30am - absolutely no knowledge of the score whatsoever.

I would like to watch things live but work and other commitments make this impossible, so recording is next best thing.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Has anyone ever got to the bottom of the tivo/V6 box video output settings mystery?

Why do the boxes love 720p so much, if you tick every output and go into the supposed native mode 720p comes through, when surely for HD here in the UK it should switch to 1080i, and for the tennis on Eurosport4K it should switch to the 4K resolution.

Surely someone out there knows exactly how it works and what it's doing. :D

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Thinking about it, makes me wonder if Virgin are scaling the 1080i and maybe even the 4k to 720p at their end. Hence when you tick all the outputs you are presented with 720p. How crap would that be if the case.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Isn't 720p better than 1080i? Or much the same in pq?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Progressive is better than interlaced but picture quality wise 1080i is better as it is 1920 x 1080 were 720p is 1280 x 720.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

All my Google searches say 720p is better than 1080i and i agree.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

For motion but picture quality wise then it's clearly 1080i. Broadcast HD in the UK is 1080i anyway so it's so it's a moot point arguing for progressive when it's all interlaced anyway.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

My V6 box has got the new firmware update and the BBC iPlayer app has now got the UHD HLG demo loop.

Looks impressive!

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It's seriously hard to work out the way the virgin boxes work video output wise.

I've read elsewhere that there could be a bug and the ticking of all outputs(supposedly native mode) isn't working properly. So I guess the idea is even if it says it's '720p' it really still is '1080i' for HD as it should be.

I don't think it's the case though, my Sony TV only does full pixel mode when either a 1080i or 1080p source is inputted. 4K is full pixel regardless. When all outputs are ticked(native mode) full pixel mode isn't available.

Bottom line best option is probably only tick 1080i and 1080p/2160p passthrough, native mode is ******.

I know this has been done to death on here and on the virgin media forum but every now and again it bugs me. :D They still can't sort it.

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Damn, when?

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Is this the update that adds the blue button to change over to an HD channel when you've turned onto an SD one?

If so I got this a day or two ago and haven't tried the iplayer since, I forgot. I maybe better go try. :D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes if you want to check if you have the new firmware select an SD channel like 101 and press the blue button.

It will go to the HD channel 108

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Update hasn't hit mine yet.
I'm in Berkshire, what about yours OB?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes, I have it. The way I found it was to go to the BBC i-Player in Apps and Games, go to 'settings' then 'Try new features in iPlayer BETA, then go down to 'Play Ultra HD Trial'. There are two short videos in there. Lovely pictures on my screen. Worth taking a look.

Can't wait to see full length programmes other than sport starting to appear in some quantity on the Beeb - hopefully not long now.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes l have it as well this morning on ours.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I got the blue button HD channel update yesterday

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Do the videos only show when the v6 is connected to a 4k tv?

I checked on v6 in the bedroom which is only HD. The blue button feature didn't work either.

I'll try the living tv when I get home from work later

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes, I think the system detects whether you have compatible hardware and will not show the option if your TV is not UHD. The blue button should work, though - try re-booting if it has not come up by the time you get home.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The blue button function lags a few days behind getting the 20.7.6.RC20 software.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

i got the blue button thing and the hlg. I noticed rounded edges first on the info box thing.

great to see the v6 doing hdr, the bbc test stream worked fine and so does hdr in netflix.

I so hope though that virgin help out the bbc with the world cup for us virgin customers, or everyone in general or those streams wont last a second if the v6 gets changed to confirmed on the world cup compatibility list.

actually a one up on sky for once!

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes, a red button channel may be the solution. Add that to the 900 series on the EPG and we could record it too.