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Talking of Nicola, she sums it up well:

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Only one man from Brexit can save us now:

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I like the Polish. My ancestors are from two countris north of Poland.
I've just spent the weekend in Boscombe, Dorset.
It appears that Boscombe has been settled by a substantial number of Poles/Romanians etc. I noticed this when I walked around the previously nice area of Boscombe that I lived in back in the 90's.
I noticed the boarded up shopfronts, a general massive level of delapidation. What struck me was the feeling of menace that I felt walking around. But what really, really, struck me was the human excrement & toilet paper on the pavement! Now I have no proof that this was deposited by a Pole or any other European but I don't see this kind of thing in Tonbridge or Bexleyheath or Tonbridge Wells etc....where we don't have a large influx of Poles etc
I mentioned all this to the elderly couple who had run the B&B I was staying at and they told me about the petitions that had been ignored by the council and how many of their neighbours were selling up and leaving.
As I said, I like(d) the Poles and Eastern Europeans (not so sure now) but I'm not sure that unfettered immigration is all that good for our country....especially if we are being forced to let in jaust anyone from those countries. :shrug:

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Who the hell is that? :confused:

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That article from Boris seems to suggesting single market access, freedom to work in Europe but for Brits only. :confused:

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Noel Edmond's son. I think.

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You don't see that in Poland either. They have toilets there.

Our only hope :(

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What? Did you just say that? With a straight face? :rofl:

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We must have allowed the really scummy Romanians in then :confused:



Whatever ;)

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The rest of Europe is not judging us, they're to busy being racist.

http://www.humanrightseurope.org/201...y-intolerance/


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...in-hate-crime/

http://www.thelocal.es/20160413/hate...nfold-in-spain

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36636853

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The irony is strong in these links. They obviously didn't read 1984, or perhaps they did and are implementing it......in which case it's not ironic.

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The markets hate uncertainty. That is all :)

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I'm inclined to say 0 to 5% is nothing to worry about. Unless it repeats and repeats.

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It's only been 2 days "3" if you want to inc Friday - these remain campaigners are like 2 year olds going through toddler tantrums.

I'm glad I'm on the leave side the grass is looking much greener here

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You make it sound like a football match.

The grass is greener for some for sure. Those on the more 'UKIP'py side seem to be spitting blood though, as Nigel Farage has been sidelined and won't be involved in negotiations, and the other leading lights of the leave campaign are advocating the UK remaining in the EEA, with free movement of labour a result.

https://twitter.com/willythompson31/...95301186965505
https://twitter.com/ramcc86/status/747216757732085760

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Yes. Whether you agree with her position or not at least she has one. HM government and opposition are AWOL.

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Its a shame the poster boy for leave didn't share your view then isn't it and the petition isn't a joke when I saw the headline 30k were questionable out of nearly 3 million, that's a pretty piffling number

I disagree with you about Britain being less racist than the rest of Europe, pretty much all of whom except Denmark surrendered more Jews than were required by the nazis and never showed much remorse for their actions or I'd imagine learnt from those actions and I think I also don't like the use of the word tolerant, I'm not sure I'd feel to welcome in a country that tolerated me. Finally it's funny I could spot people who attended pride the other night as they were in the main laying in the gutter covered in their own puke at 5am, go gays, great way to show pride in your community

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Well said

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Sterling back to almost all time lows at $1.3388, down 2%. The lowest point on Friday was $1.3362.

FTSE 100 futures also tumbling down 4% at 5907.

Don't keep your money in banks folks..... under the pillow would be safer. This is from someone who queued outside a Northern Rock bank at 7am back in 2007...

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Tbf they didn't need to have an plan for leaving, their not implementing it, leave isn't a political party or government, what the remain group failed to do is point out that leave had absolutely no idea what'd happen if we left, pin them down on that the having an actual workable plan is irrelevant

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Wonder what will happen when the food and fuel start to go up and up, guess people won't groan about it to much as they knew this was going to happen when they voted

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The brown ends of two particularly ****** sticks

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EU migrants regularly turn up in London without a home and a job to go to. and defecate in public.

Even my cats go somewhere private and bury it!

The police keep moving them on, they keep converging in the subways etc.

If this sort of thing had of been sorted out without the R word being bandied about, i'm confident that the vote would have been a different outcome.

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Cheggers, famous in recent years for presenting a quiz show naked

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Chegwin

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If you mean inflation, I'm interested in what happens to the housing market once the Bank of England raise interest rates to fight inflation. At the moment, it may go the other way into deflation which would make everything cheaper.

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We might get some idea this week what the EU are thinking regarding the divorce. It will probably be a bit uncomfortable for Cameron when he goes there tomorrow.

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Maybe not yet but I can see a time when France leave as well.

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He said very clearly that he would invoke A50 immediately and would carry out the wishes of the people. What did he and Osbourne do? He bottled it and the latter went into hiding for the weekend though he is making a statement this morning.

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To be fair, what can they do? Labour are drawing up a Brexit plan laying out what they want from the EU and I suspect the Tories will do the same. It's a wait and see game for Leave now as they can't do anything until they know what's what.

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Listening to the News today I think the EU already know what they want to happen. It's not gonna be easy for DC going there tomorrow with them knowing he's not really in the position of authority he was.

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Nothing different there then. It's only around the level it was earlier in the year. You only have to worry if it goes below those currencies or falls dramatically over this week. Can't see that happening though as the BoE and Osbourne will steady the ship with statements. The former already have.

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Osborne making his speech.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...shadow-cabinet

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What a surprise, no emergency budget so that was yet another remain lie! How many voted remain due to war, the collapse of the NHS and an emergency budget?

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Sounds like it's 'delayed'. He is confirming the ORb are downgrading growth forecasts so there will be cuts in spending.

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Seems strange that before the election he mentions a £30 billion hole in public finances which doesn't even get a mention in today's speech. Pity that none of the reporters appeared to ask him about that.

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Like he was in any position of authority before or if the vote had gone the other way.

People keep banging on about Norway having to "sacrifice" allowing freedom of movement. How many from Eastern Europe went there? Not really a big giveaway for Norway. Their priority would've been allowing their Sovereign Fund full access to the EU, so that when their oil and gas runs out they supposedly have something to live off.

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Well a budget is delayed but it sounds like he will leave the next Chancellor to deal with any cuts

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If there is a GE then there will be a budget. Either way they will have one as there will be an Autumn Statement/Budget.

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Lies and misinformation were rampant in both campaigns but leave won so the focus is on theirs and not on remains who get a free pass on all the excrement they spread far and wide. For those calling for action from leave exactly what action can they do Cameron has quit to all intents and purposes but is hanging in there possibly till October though he won't do what he said he'd do and implement article 50. Until Cameron is gone and a new leader takes over there is very little that can actually be done, I suspect the planning stage is in full swing right now so that as soon as it's possible things will start moving.

I'd prefer time to be taken and thought used in determining our next move rather then knee jerk reaction and symbolic actions so a couple of weeks is the least we can give as right now nothing has changed.

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Yes that's the way l see it.

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Seems alot of Brexiters are starting to get cold feet.

'Taking our time' = wtf have we done.

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Well we know article 50 will not be triggered for three months at least and then its anybody's guess when it will be triggered there after.

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or whether it ever will be....

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I think we should remember that although David Cameron was in the full EU making decisions nobody backed him. He may just as well have not been there especially when you recall the deal he got.

Maybe by being an associate member just trading with the EU and hopefully paying less in we can use the extra money to address issues like the NHS, housing, schools, jobs and immigration

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I'm still a little bemused why everyone is experiencing buyers remorse, Christ the event only happened last week, why does everyone seem to expect and want everything fixed with a mouse click.

This will take years (plural) there will be pain, and it will take time.

Everyone getting it?
Got it?
Good.

The leave campaign should have made that clear at the outset, although it's hardly rocket science.

As for the stock market - are we REALLY surprised?

Start worrying when it drops really low, it's been inflated for some time artificially high for anyone who can read a LSE chart going back more than 5 minutes.

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Maybe pigs will fly; we'l get sweet nothing from the EU, we're on our own, don't blame them. Money for the NHS lol -was that ever really going to happen from the right wingers behind Brexit ? Even they couldn't suppress a laught when asked if they'd deliver on it.

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No not a big deal except they have more migrants per head than we do, a lot more in fact


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...he-answer.html

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Seeing as we're using norway as the 'model' of choice they pay 80% of what a full member would for no say in running it

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As I pointed out, it is essential for them because they have to build up the portfolio of their Sovereign Fund.
From Jan 2016, ie NOT 2012.Dec 2015
Of the 37,474 that left, only 10,090 were Norwegian. Eg 3.446 were Polish.

And they get the "better" ones.

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Right wingers? Racist? Hateful? When are you going to understand why there was such a huge leave vote in England and Wales and a large Leave vote in Scotland?

Because of people who are not racist, right wing, hateful being told they are as soon as they have an opinion. These people are mostly working class white people in towns/cities north of London who have seen their industries/manufacturing/factory's closed and replaced with shopping centres.

If Brexit causes a few thousand job losses in London I can show you a many more job losses that happened whilst we were in the EU north of London. The people being told financial uncertainty is coming and it's their fault are people who have been living with financial uncertainty for years and years. Telling them the FTSE100 has dropped or the £ has fallen against the € is pointless. They already live in poverty, start listening and start listening now or Britian is going to become a very ugly place.

Or keep standing on these people telling them they're uneducated rght wing racist biggots.

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How is that different from now? The deal that Cameron got was an insult to the intelligence. It was a deal to stay in the EU at any price.

Most of his ideas were ignored because the EU has no intention of reforming, which is why when dissatisfaction in the EU grows and when the anti-EU parties in Europe really go to town there will be more referendums with more EU countries forced to leave. Why? Because their leaders are as out of touch with ordinary people as Cameron was.

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Not this one.

It would not be in the interest of the EU to give us nothing. The Germans want trade as usual. I can see more leaving if they don't get their act together.

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Nore this one, the country is have a panic as it now has to listen to the more of 50% of us that have been ignored. This is the bigger problem, so at first they called us racist, then right wing, then hate filled . Once they calm down they still have to listen us. So they better get used to hearing us!

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Indeed. However Mr K. is right in a way. An MP on news yesterday was saying some of his Constituents were regretting having voted leave but they will be vindicated in the end.

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Yeah I would agree, I'm sure there is also remain who were frightened into voting remain who would now vote leave.

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You are forgetting that we can still trade with Europe just not as an EU member.

Yes, we lose the right to vote but then the EU wasn't listening to us anyway.

If we pick a model that works for us and we pay less to trade, the EU still has the problem of making up the loss of the British contribution. I wonder who will pick up the tab.

If they treat us badly other nations are going to see the EU's true colours and that will stir more resentment and more desire to leave.

It will be interesting to see the outcome of France's elections next year. I wonder if Mr. Hollande will change his mind and his attitude if the National Front make major gains. After all leaders only really take notice when it's their job on the line, which is why they can happily stand by issuing the usual platitudes when your job is on the line.

I don't see the EU worried about British families and workers. They just want to get rid of us. It's a bit like finding out that your so-called best friend actually detested you and only hung out with you because you were buying their drinks.

The only positive EU feedback we have had has been from Angela Merkel and she wants to trade. She's going to feel bad that David Cameron lost his job ramming a derisory deal down the throats of UK voters. They are trying to pressurise us like they pressurised the Greeks but the Brits are made of sterner stuff.

We have until the autumn to see what the Conservatives come up with. I think until then it's just a case of wait and see.

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Where in the post you quoted does Mr. K say 'racist' and 'hateful'.

Helluva straw man argument when you have to make stuff up...

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Because this country is making a drama out of all this leaving the EU and making sound like we're all going to die. then naturally a lot of people are going to believe we're all going to die.
a lot of foreigner's think they're all going to die. and/or be sent back home.

we as a country are a bloody disgrace. we have been acting all this time. the real truth is we haven't got a bloody clue!

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There is an element of truth about that, Gary. Nobody will actually know anything until the new PM is elected, the EU strategy is unveiled and we see how the EU respond.

Like us the EU could be expecting the worse but might be pleasantly surprised and relieved with what we propose. If there is good will on both sides, there could be a good solution to all this. Equally if they put heavy tariffs on us we can do the same.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face never is a good strategy so let's hope that these negotiations are full of common sense and good will.

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Just a random musing: Boris is advocating our replacing EU with EEA. Outside political structures, freedom of labour movement, single market, etc. Remember all the stuff about Turkey joining the EU? Guess what we lose veto of?

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Rare I agree with you but that is absolutely spot on. The entire country from politicians down is in a state of panic.

It's not fair on us, it's not fair on migrants living here, it's not fair on the rest of the EU.

I have to hand it to them, leaving us be to get our excrement together is going to cause them some grief. It's actually really good of them to do that (he says through gritted teeth ;) ).

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If the EU want Turkey to join then Turkey will join, if anyone thinks Britian could of stopped it they are deluded beyond belief.

Loose a country of 65 million and gain a country of 76 million, I guess it's bye bye Britian. An as for panic? Is this the same as the panic buying of fuel someone on here predicted or infact had witnessed happening? Leavers are not panicking , London might be but this country is a lot bigger than London.

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More volatility this morning. On the upside there's a flight to safety in UK gilts. We can borrow cash very, very, very cheaply.

On the downside trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended this morning.

RBS: 177.70 GBX Price decrease 27.60 (-13.44%)
Barclays PLC (BARC.L) 138.80 Down 15.10 (-9.81%)

EDIT: Snigger. Nothing gets past Boris.

EDIT 2

The BDI have just confirmed they said no such thing regarding access to the single market. Going to have to start renaming him BS Boris.

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Just went my local shop and they're selling 6 free range eggs, a loaf of robertsons bread, 2 litres of milk all three for £2.50. Brexit doesn't seem so bad. An I also found the 100% cold pressed pomegranate juice I pay £3.60 for 500ml for in a health food shop is £2.50 in ASDA.

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We'll still have access to the markets of the 27 other EU nations, what's the big deal about the single market? If they put tarriffs on our goods then we put equal tarriffs on theirs. No win. no lose. :shrug: Bearing in mind that trade with the EU is less than ~7% of total UK trade (internal and external).

We should be looking outward to the rest of the world especially the commonwealth for trade instead of being so parochial.

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Pound getting hammered, down almost 3%.

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Cheaper exports and our goods are more attractive.

3% is hardly hammered seeing as it's been up and down far more over the last few months.

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Well no one knows what the future holds in terms of prices as its still too early to predict what will happen further down the road.

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Merkel's spokesman rejects "informal" exit talks before Britain files formal notice of leaving the EU. (AP)

They're neither being mean or charitable in many respects, just following the rules, such as they are, to the letter.

I fully imagine that'll be how the process goes, completely by the book.

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Exactly. I suspect even if the vote had been the other way the markets would still have fluctuated like fury as speculators try to make a killing.

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Cartoon in today's Times :)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/06/15.jpg

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The more right-wing elements continue to be ecstatic by how things are looking.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...nt-maintained/

Top rated comment:

So, about the grass being greener?

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It doesn't matter any more any way,

The NHS will now collapse.(remain told us)
Immigrants will now all be killed by racists.(remain told us)
An it's very clear the man who called the referendum hadn't made any provisions to deal with the result.(blatantly obvious)

Of course it's a load crap from the Westminster bubble,

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I wouldn't advise you take notice of such comments, I can point you to some pretty nasty website comments by people of all races and religions directed at the British,

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If Merkel's spokesman is saying we're going by the book how come Merkel herself said she is still going to trade with the UK.

Could it be that the EU is going to start their version of Project Fear?

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Continuing to trade is going by the book.

Informing you'd like a free trade agreement isn't fear mongering.

Refusing to discuss said agreements unofficially is going by the book.

I would speculate that Merkel was aware her spokesman would release that statement. The two aren't contradictory.

EDIT: I think it comes down to making clear to the UK that while we're a valued partner we aren't going to get special treatment. They have to tread that line and balance economic interests in continuing to trade with us unhindered with the wider political message being too nice to us would send.

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I didn't actually think this through. Pension funds invest extensively in UK gilts. This will lower annuity rates.

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Its not deluded. All member states would need to agree to a new country joining. So yes the UK could veto Turkey joining if they are still in the EU.

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Thanks for clarifying that.

I suspect it might be a bit too late for the EU to worry about the wider political message given that there is already unrest and anti-EU feelings in a number of EU countries as demonstrated in the Euro MEP elections.

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Sterling is about 3.4% down against USD at the moment.

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The FTSE 250 is down 5%

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More expensive transport costs, more expensive raw materials it's not as simple as exports will be cheaper.

All imports will be correspondingly more expensive as well.

I have no idea what the overall impact will be, but it's not a simple as it's being made out to be.

J

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Daily Mail reports that the EU is going ahead with plans for an EU army now that we have voted to leave.

Wonder if that means the introduction of National Service and a requirement to enlist for all our younger voters if we opt to remain? Like all these things we'll have to wait and see.

Don't remember Cameron, Blair and Major mentioning the EU army formation in their pitch to the voters.

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So you no longer have a problem with millions of Turkish immigrants coming into the country in a few years time even though we left?

J

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I don't think we can prevent them coming if we accept freedom of movement for EU nationals. All we can do is manage their locations better so that communities are not overwhelmed.

Given the perceived hostility in some areas of England it may well be that Turkish immigrants would feel happier settling in London, Northern Ireland or possibly Scotland.

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No longer have a problem with millions of Turkish immigrants? Firstly if you've been to turkey they aren't doing to badly over there so I doubt millions will come.

Secondly I never said I had a problem with Turkish immigrants. So I ask, do you no longer have a problem with millions of Turkish immigrants coming into the country?

If you're a "leaver" who voted purely on anti immigration then that's your choice and I respect that. But that's not the reason I voted leave.

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They did say that regarding trade but I don't recall them saying anything about the Single Market. Do we really want the Single Market? I heard somewhere we'd be paying about 80% of what we're paying now and that's pointless.

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+ Free movement

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You seem happy about this. Is this an I told you so thing? We knew it would happen. Give it a week and see what happens.

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Considering my pension is tanking I am not wild about it.

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They were always going to have an European Army whether we left or not. Remain are all panicking about nothing. Blowing things out of all proportion. The BoE has plans to keep Sterling steady.

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Well they can keep it. We may have been better voting remain as nothing will change and we'll be worse off. NO CHANCE. We can't accept Freedom of Movement.

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Don't worry neighbour it will settle down. We're kind of in limbo atm and once we have a clearer picture of what's going on things will calm down.

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If the EU army idea is proceeding where does that leave younger voters if we remain?

I'm not sure if this was something they realised would happen.

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It looks like Tony Blair, Nicola Sturgeon and others including EU politicians are planning to block Brexit.

If Boris does not win the leadership election or is not involved with the Brexit negotiations the whole idea could die a death but we'll have to wait and see.

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No you did't mention Turkish immigrants specifically but you stated control over our own boarders was a main reason.

If we go for EEA / access to the single market we will be back to free movement of labor and we will have the exact same control over our borders as we do now but we less say in matters, so what was the point in leaving again?

I voted remain, as it looks like my concerns and reasons for voting remain are on the cards. No change in the border control, paid access to the single market all with the added bonus of zero influence.

All this talk of sovereignty as if its a black and white all or nothing issue. Yes the EU did place limits on our sovereignty as does ECHR, NATO, WTO, UN among many other treaties etc.

J

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If they won't take the low paid jobs then they'll have to enlist. No more sitting on their lardy asses watching Jeremy Kyle.:D

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Just wondering how the USA will get on with its hopes for a trade deal with the EU if the EU is insisting on freedom of movement given that the USA uses a visa system.

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Trade deal is not the same as single market.

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The FT has an explanation as to why the FTSE 100 and 250 are performing differently: https://next.ft.com/content/22ead913...7-71e3f1283897

Basically the fall in Sterling helps FTSE 100 companies whose income comes from abroad and the 250 includes far more uk-centric companies.

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There are some on here that simply cannot get that around their simple minds

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Given that a lot of professional economists have difficulty in dealing with it it's not really surprising that ordinary citizens find it difficult to understand the complexities too.

Being in the EU seems to mean having access to the single market and having voting rights on policy.

Being in the European Economic Area means that we can trade with European countries but have no EU policy voting rights.

From what I read President Obama didn't say which he was opting for. He just said America was working on a US-EU trade deal, though knowing the Americans they are thinking just of access to the EEA.

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Where's your evidence for this?

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You'll probably get odds of 1/20 on Boris becoming leader and PM.

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https://www.rt.com/news/348429-europ...d-army-brexit/

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I meant for this statement:

It looks like Tony Blair, Nicola Sturgeon and others including EU politicians are planning to block Brexit.

If Boris does not win the leadership election or is not involved with the Brexit negotiations the whole idea could die a death but we'll have to wait and see.

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How do Remainers feel about a European Army?

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They're not blocking it so much as throwing up obstacles. The crucial moment will be once we know what deal we're going for and, if less than ideal, if the PM of the time is willing to go for it or not. If they bottle it then they may seek cover via a General Election or another referendum. Cameron himself will rule out a referendum today.

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You are probably right. I was just reporting news posted in today's Daily Mail.

A lot of Conservative MPs think Boris did this solely so that he could become PM and so there's a lot of resentment that he did this more for personal gain rather than for the good of the country.

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Not sure; the same way leavers feel about having less control over our borders now than we did before leaving?

J

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Quick thought but if Boris really does want a EEA deal then we should go for it now. The EU might concede to halt the current turmoil. Someone needs to do something quick.

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Freedom of movement was always going to be a problem whether we were in or out of the EU.

A lot of the problem stemmed from the UK's failure to manage the settlement and location of immigrants which was often in areas under-resourced to meet the needs of the immigrants and the needs of local people.

If we give up the EU single market for trading in the European Economic Area we may be able to introduce the Australian style points system to control immigration but I'm not sure about that.

EDIT: The only way to guarantee less immigration is to make sure every available job is taken or filled by a UK national.

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Cameron has stated BREXIT WILL HAPPEN! So get over it Remainers and start working with us leavers,

The U.K. economy is in a position to withstand conditions worse than the most awful predictions.

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I think Boris was totally motivated by his personal agenda he never thought leave would win but hoped a high enough number would vote to damage Cameron, now he has to back leave or be totally exposed for the opportunistic grub he is. I don't think he will be the new pm I think enough Tories will make sure it is someone less polarising then him an intermediate candidate that will carry out the wishes of the British people.

There is going to be turmoil in the markets as the speculators have to make their money and exploit any situation they can for profit. It hasn't even been a week and the response from some has been pathetic are we really that beaten down that anything but the status quo scares us and sends us into panic. Things are what they are the best thing to do is calm down regain some perspective and make sure our interests are best served going forward.

At this point going back to the EU is absolutely not on the cards because if we do it will be as a doormat, we had very little influence before if we go back now we will have none at all and after a brief play nice welcome back the boot on the back if the neck would start.

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I don't see how we can not end up with free movement (this is also a requirement for membership of the EEA) if we want to maintain all of the financial services and the contribution they make to the economy 12% of GDP and £66B in tax revenue.

If we don't need to then great but I don't see any indication of that being at all possible

J

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I agree that the UK economy is better placed than it was.

But how will he guarantee that the next PM will implement Brexit given that so many MPs are opposed to it?

And how will he control the votes of MPs voting on any required legislation?

The only way Cameron can ensure Brexit is to tell EU leaders in his next meeting that we are activating Article 50 but he said he would leave that to the new PM.

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So where does this statement of fact come from?

At the same time which corner stones of the leave campaign are left?

Immigration, either it was never about that or we didn't really mean it depending on which part of the leave campaign you were part of.

Money, we didn't mean we were going to spend all the money we saved (not sure how much will be left after we pay for access to the single market or EEA).

Control of our borders, gone from we will reduce immigration to we just meant have control to now looking more likely to go back to (or carry on with depending on your view) free movement of labor if we want access to the single market of EEA.

J

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I think George Osborne in his speech said the deficit had been knocked down from 11% of GDP to just 3%.

Mark Carney said that they had been planning for this possibility for months and had allocated £250 Billion pounds to shore up the economy.

We'll only know for sure about immigration when we hear what plan the new PM is going with and also what steps the government will take to ensure that areas with high immigrant populations are well resourced so that locals are not disadvantaged as well as what steps are to be taken to ensure better distribution of immigrants throughout the country.

If locals can get better, fairer access to schools, medical treatment and jobs hopefully that will ease the resentment towards immigrants.

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What we need is the Leave campaign leaders to come out with strong media messages deploring the spate of racism incidents that the vote has unleashed.

'Go back home' - Bitter backlash post EU referendum

I read this BBC article and feel sick at what some of the Leave supporters are doing on the back of this decision.

I know that Farage was cited as a racist and neo nazi when at school but even he should be making statements deploring this behaviour ..

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Mad cow disease outbreak in 1992 compared to the Leave vote. It's obvious what happened.