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Well done. I'm proud of you :D
The guy in that vid did seem very sure of what he was saying though. Makes you wonder if there isn't something in the claims of vote rigging. Obviously, if you're pro Hillary then it's all heresy and hearsay but it is difficult to watch it and dismiss out of hand so much of what was said....

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Obviously......since certain sections of the republican party had turned against Trump. I'd be surprised if they couldn't find an expert or three to speak out against him :D

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On the other side of the political spectrum I'd be lying if I said I couldn't wait to see this.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...mp-documentary

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Can they find all the Republican officials in the 23 Republican run states who are going to rig the elections in Democrats favour? ;)

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Minor story but rather stupid to do this in a swing state: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/18...shooting-joke/

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Btw this is a good site to play around with the map: http://www.270towin.com/

I tried to think of a conceivable way for Trump to win and came up with this:

http://image.prntscr.com/image/89882...a78f06d18f.png

Trump has to win Ohio and Florida. As well as getting surprise wins in New Mexico and Nevada. He drops one of those he closes. That's as well as holding on to North Carolina.

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It looks like we'll know early in the night if this is going to be close though. There doesn't appear to be a viable path for Trump if he doesn't win Ohio and Florida.

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They can't take money out of the foundation. The money is tracked as it's a registered charity and audited regularly: https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings...foundation/478

If you're wondering about Trump's charity well, they can't track that because it isn't audited and doesn't disclose what they spent money on: https://www.charitywatch.org/charity...foundation-/65

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They are welcome to try.....

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In other news:Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google parent company Alphabet, working directly with the Clinton campaign

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I think we should send Corbyn over to the states to improve the quality of their presidential candidates.

Our sacrifice would be their gain... :)

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Seem fair enough?

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Probably balancing out Peter Thiel... ;)

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Politifact, biased MSM media undermining Donald Trump.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...scale-voter-f/

Along with his own campaign manager.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...-conway-229984

Although he does have a point regarding the odd isolated bit of voter fraud. For example, his own campaign CEO is at it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-donald-trump

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HC struggled tonight, and I think she made the biggest error of all time by broadcasting it to the World how long it could take the US, from order to launch of a Nuclear weapon. There are reports that she potentially committed Treason with this remark or a serious violation of OPSEC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TThrAWtWdak

She did not deny the revelations from Wikileaks, instead blamed Russia for hacking and espionage. The World stage has Russia prepped for War and she just made that accusation against them. So if she becomes President, WW3 will be around the corner for sure.

She did not deny the allegations that her party's campaign was guilty of inciting violence at Trump rallies.

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Polls from the final debate: https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/1...t-debate-poll/

YouGov:

CNN:

Trump can't help himself. The networks in the states are running with his refusal to make clear if we will accept the results followed, and this was entirely unnecessary, him learning into the mic to say Clinton was a 'nasty woman' right at the end. Even the Republicans in the spin room for him at the end were condemning his election result remark.

By all accounts he didn't do too badly but he can't help sabotaging himself.

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Mmmm ok.

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Despite what Mick says she is still miles better then the narcissistic personality of Donald Trump as god help us if the unlikely miracle happens and he gets his hands on the levers of power.

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I wouldn't mind the donald getting in, at least we'd get some laughs, Clinton's voice is so shrill, it just goes straight through me, plus donald managed to get the word hombre into the debate.

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HC struggled tonight? Didn't watch it live but reading/watching the news today, not many share your opinion.

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One suspects some are clutching at straws Mr B.

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It's like chalk on a blackboard. Absolutely horrid.

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I wonder if this is a big joke for Trump though. Look at this video, 1:20 mins in, when Clinton is listing all the things Trump thinks is rigged as she mentions the Emmy he didn't win he interjects, with perfect comedic timing, that he should have won the Emmy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/elect...-2016-37709334.

I mean that only helps underscore Clinton's point politically but it's such a well-timed joke typical of someone who wants to be a media personality.

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At 0:50, Hillary gives him the V. Seriously, watch it. :D

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:D

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Get President Hillary Clinton on this :D

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Cu...en-Leaders.htm

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I'm still unsure if its still not just a big joke from Trump just to see how far along he can go. Pretty far it turns out. Merica... you scare me.

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I can't find a single comment from any news outlet in response to this "biggest error of all time"

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Blame social media.

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Well, I beg to differ and I maintain that she struggled last night, as well as being very stupid. She more or less squared up to Russia last night and we would face WW3 with Russia, under her Administration, than a Trump one.

She is massively trying to face up to Putin and then revealing Nuclear secrets about how long it takes to launch a Nuclear missile from the order to strike. Talk about giving the enemy an advantage there. Putin is now probably laughing and thinking, well, thanks thicko, I can now work on trying to improve on that timing and make the order for only half of what HC said. I think it was the most dumbest thing she said and she has said many stupid things, DJT has too, but she is in a whole different class, having been in the government and made stupid errors of judgement, that cost lives, Benghazi being a prime example, she made many errors of judgment over the years, along with her interfering buddy Obama.

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So she isn't possibly clever enough to up the game? I mean may be it's her that wants the time improved or doesn't US politic work like that?

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Try looking on twitter, doh.

Telling the World how long it takes to launch a Nuclear missile from the order being given, don't you think it's dumb? You and a few others here, also need to stop wearing those rose tinted glasses when it comes to stupid, dumb, crooked HC.

I have already agreed DJT has his flaws and is not one the best candidates but she is massively a huge liability, more so over Trump.

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You're so in to this it almost sounds like you have a vote :D

To be honest though Twitter is the last place I'd look for affirmation of anything. It's an echo chamber that resounds most loudly with the sentiments of whichever group is best organised (or has the most bots).

The problem for the American voters is that so much of what Trump says about Clinton is true. She has a shocking lack of judgment and is in every way an establishment figure standing at a time in history when that isn't what voters want. Yet at the same time, the anti-establishment figure they're asked to vote for instead, is a reckless misogynist with borderline racist tendencies. Clinton is awful, but Trump is a complete train wreck.

Personally I think all the data so far shows Clinton will win, but unless she proves to be utterly different in office than everyone expects, her chances of getting re-elected next time will be slim. If only the Republicans can neutralise the Tea Party nut cases on their right wing and nominate someone electable, that is.

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Not really, now I know I have 4 mins to kiss my arse goodbye.

Got to laugh at your rose tinted glasses comment and don't think that Twitter is reliable for telling me whats going on.

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Talking to a friend tonight whose a serving gunney in the marine corp he said he'd handed his paper's in and taken early retirement as he couldn't serve with either clinton or trump as commander in chief. Doesn't sound much but for him it's a massive change in his life as he loves the marine corp and if you sawed him in half you'd find the stars and stripes. He said he isn't the only one that's come to the same decision and apparently whatever branch of the military you pick has some very experienced and valuable personnel quitting.

Add in the division within american society that this election has highlighted and worsened and there are going to be troubling times ahead. I haven't watched any of the debates but if it's true clinton has revealed the timeframe from order to launch of their nukes if she wins there will be very little if any support from the military who because of events in the past already have a deep mistrust of clinton. That trump is the best the republican party could put up is also deeply worrying and the splits he has created within that party could be very bad for the US.

Things just seem to be spiralling out of control all over the western world at the minute lurching from one disaster to the next and at a time when Russia seems prepared to push it's luck this could have very serious consequences for us all.

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To be fair I don't think he was the best Republicans had. It's just who their electorate stuck them with in the same way Labour activists stuck Labour with Corbyn.

Russia are engaged in a very effective disinformation campaign against the West. It's time we took them seriously.

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Maybe Bloomberg will finally run. If voters want a New York Billionaire unlikely to take outside money then they should have gone for the competent one whose got experience. Paul Ryan is another one.

This is if the Republican party doesn't turn in on itself for the next 4 years gifting her the next election too.

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Doesn't seem that big of a secret the timeframe in between order being given and nuclear launch; here's the process in a fair degree of detail.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/gr...weapon-launch/

Clinton's comment matches this article. About a minute for conference then, once decision made and order given, 4 minutes for ICBM launch, about 14 minutes for SLBM.

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So a lot of hot air then regarding the security breach. I would assume the Russians would already have known this any way, likewise I am sure the US know the Russian process.

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Looks that way.

As far as having 4 minutes to kiss your hindmost goodbye goes I'm afraid not. Depending on where you are you could have less than a minute between detection and ending up on your way to the stratosphere, and at most perhaps 2 or 3.

Aren't I a shining light? :D

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When Trump was talking about the Clinton Foundation and Saudi Arabia and them pushing gays off buildings, Clinton thought it was it was something to laugh about.... Her fitness to stand for President ?

Bollocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd6t5i2m2mo

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Evidence?

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The YouTube link is provided but it's obvious why she was laughing. She was laughing at the suggestion or the fact this is all Trump appears to be able to conjur up during a debate. Suggesting she was laughing at gays in Saudi Arabia would be taking it out of context.

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Bloody hell Mick, you really are clutching at straws with that.

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It was ISIS who dropped 2 men alleged to be gay from a building then stoned them.

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Indeed and that is not the first time today but we all have different thoughts and his opinions should be listened too just like others on this forum as if we all shared the same views and opinions then life would be very boring one suspects.:)

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Quite right was an outrageous slur, our humane saudi allies simply lop their heads of

http://www.advocate.com/world/2016/5...g-lgbt#slide-2

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Horrific to say I know but it's two different things although the point is the same.

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https://twitter.com/blakelaliberte/s...23972813524992

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Both of them are equally unfit for the role.

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Indeed but sadly these are the two candidates voters have to vote for in a few weeks and its a pretty unpalatable choice to have one must say.

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I don't feel I am at all. I think it is absolutely reprehensible, to laugh when someone raising a point about gays being pushed off buildings.

But it is not the only thing wrong with her when she does that creepy psycho laugh/smile. She lies about her emails, she lies to the FBI, lies to Congress, lied about Benghazi. Lies to the Benghazi victims mothers. She is a pathological liar, unfit to serve as a Commander and Chief.

She has made disastrous decisions as Secretary of State and she will make new ones when and if she becomes President of the United States, we will highly likely, be plunged into a new cold war with Russia, we're half way there already, with it being as potential catalyst to WW3. People need to wake up and smell the Coffee.

Trump may run away with his gob half the time and I cringe with some of the things he says, but he does not have normal typical politician rhetoric. It's like Trump said last night, HC has experience, but it's bad experience. I also very much prefer a President in place that leans on the side of a friendly stance with Russia, more over one that's doing some very dangerous and risky posturing right now.

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Donald Trump accused of sexual misconduct by a 10th woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...user?CMP=fb_gu

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How can you be sure she was laughing in that way? Could it conceivably be possible that she knew of ISIS being at fault for said atrocity. And ofcourse the homophobic aspect of Trump http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/02/t...-lgbtq-people/ bit rich coming from him to start vouching for people he once condemned.

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Looks like one of his biggest UK advocates is concerned about the aftermath of his potential defeat if he refuses to accept the result. Looks like some are calling out large scale civil unrest. (BBC)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-mean-it.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37714099

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I think he is setting up a future TV role should he lose. Much easier to do that as the guy who was cheated rather than the big loser.

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He'll definitely remain in politics. Why not make money off it

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reality tv star

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=42943382

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Yup. Same with that comment about the Emmy being rigged. When faced with the choice of doing the politically smart thing or the entertaining thing, he choses the latter.

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I don't get the commotion tbh. its the land of the free and that is exactly what they will do, stand free. Donald Trump doesn't care. Hillarys playing it. one things for sure though. Kim Kardashian in the White House while Trump goes about his business? lets all just get on with it like nothings actually happening. How about that for world chaos.

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You cannot expect ALL American's, those specifically supporting the Trump cause to possibly accept the result of HC as President, she has a too tarnished image, not when she blurted out and called half his supporters a 'Basket of deplorables', could you really expect them to even remotely contemplate a 'put up' and 'shut up' approach, if the prospect is to be that, that pathological liar becomes the President ?

I equally hazard I guess that works the same way round if Trump becomes the President, it will cause deep divide either way, cause either side has to accept the result and I cannot see that being the case for either camp.

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she has a point re deplorables. read my response above yours

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And that's reason to laugh? Saudi Arabia beheaded more people than ISIS last year, that something to laugh about to? If she'd realised trump had got it wrong she'd have jumped on it by saying go online to my fact checker people like she has countless times before. I don't like her and I don't like her voice and I think anyone that gets treated as shabbily by their partner as she was but stays with them needs watching.

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Yes I do. You accept you've lost an election. What is the alternative you're suggesting? The minority form a coup? Unless there is a very close election where a few votes can swing it and you go though the legal process of contesting the result then the only way he can overthrow a Clinton Presidency is with violence. Obviously that won't work.

Look how few people, even people who've been loyal to Trump, are supporting that comment.

No one is telling them to shut up. Just to accept the result. They can still oppose Clinton as President. Lobby their congressmen to represent their interests and focus on the mid-term elections in 2 years and the General Election in 4 years and attempt to win those.

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From what I've been told if Hillary was to win, unless Trump withdrawn, she cannot become President.

Knowing that hamster haired expletive he won't withdraw as he will say the vote was rigged.

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EDIT: Just to be clear it's Trump who would need to concede. Not all Americans. It helps reaffirm the legitimacy of the Presidency and the transition of power. Same deal as here.

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Should be entertaining then.

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You've been told wrong.

If Clinton wins then she'll be President Elect once the Electoral College (the delegates who represent the states) votes her in. She then becomes President on inauguration day. It's not dependent at all on Trump's concession.

Concessions are considered important because it's the opposition symbolically recognising the result which helps ensure the process is smooth and peaceful. If doesn't do it then the likelihood is Pence or Paul Ryan will do so 'on behalf of the ticket' but it's still not great.

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Irony TD. What is she suppose to do? He's said soo much then reverts back to try condone her ties with Saudi Arabia which of course was to do with money, that was what they were talking of prior to him saying the horrific stuff about the 2 men thrown off a roof. Trump would charge for services or whatever he was going on about like politics is some business where its all straight and narrow to kingdom come.

He got it totally wrong saying Saudi Arabia threw alleged gay men from a roof tied up then stoned them while they were seemingly crippled on the ground. Please don't take this out of context, it's totally wrong what is happening to gays BUT the treatment, if you want to talk of laughing matters, the treatment given out by ISIS as oppose to Saudi Arabia is totally different. Thats not to say one is plurable to laughter. If what I'm reading is true here http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org...y=saudi+arabia those convicted are sedated prior to execution rather than tied up, thrown off a roof then stoned. Again I do not in any way shape or form support Saudi Arabia but to bring up laughing what is actually worse? Being killed sedated or tied up aware? It's horrific what is happening either way but it was irony for sure, Donald Trump going on the offensive talking total crap to support his crap that was possibly evil laughter directed at him and his crap.

The fact checker I don't know. But for sure if it was pure evil laughter she would have been done by now by the press, she wouldn't have survived that no chance.

I don't know of the relationship. Different people, different situation, different place, different surroundings I don't know she could be playing that too rather than being knee jerk.

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For all the stuff he Trump was saying about Putin and Iran and whoever else is being given an easy ride by the current Presidency and possible future Hillary Presidency isn't his, Trumps actions playing in say Putins hand?

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No she does not at all, what a stupid comment. For a start she quickly withdrew her comments when she realized she went a little too far, anyone is entitled to vote for who they choose without question, it's called democracy, I couldn't give a crap about the contents of your post above, it was nonsensical.

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fair enough. i went further not really taking that into account as she did.

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I have been reading nearly all the American News papers. The reading is clear, the amount of organisation's, and major stars are saying that they will be voting for Clinton.

The biggest problems for Trump is the women, who he is treading in the dirt. And what he was saying about abortion - is totally appalling. Like 'ripping the baby out of the womb' that is a terrible thing to say.

Women have a right concerning having an abortion. And all these stupid ***** that stand outside abortion clinics here in London. Especially two that l know of. Haven't a clue on WHY, women want an abortion.

My wife had an abortion on Medical Grounds. My daughter had an abortion because the Baby had died in her womb, and she had to carry it for 24 hours, before legally, it could be born.

The people who stand there don't have a clue.

Trump stated that he 'might dispute' the result. Wasn't there a dispute over Voting, and it went to court several years ago in an election

An organisation that has always voted republican - WILL vote for Clinton. As Trump does not have the heart of Americans voters.

And finally, he is going to build a wall to STOP all migrants coming Mexico.

He is running for the biggest role in History - for President. He should grow up and start shove all his money up his backside.

At the moment Clinton winning by 8points. And as stated on ITN news. She has one foot inside the White House. She just needs to carry on doing what she is doing. And that's it.

Trump keeps putting his foot in his mouth - and with all these women claiming sexual harassment doesn't help - BUT, the latest one was showing 'Crocodile tears' in my views - and she DOESNT want to take legal action. Who else is coming out the woodwork

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I, more like when, she wins. The GOP need to get their act together. Because she is a single term President at best.

I would bet the farm on a Republican president in 2020.

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Assuming she does win then only if they do get they act together. Trump's support base isn't going away and the Republicans need to figure out a way to address it without alienating women and minorities. How do they plan to handle the next set of primaries? There is a risk that what happens to them is the same as what has happened to Labour. A base completely at odds with the wider public and so a weaker candidate.

I agree that a Paul Ryan or Bloomberg would be odds-on favourite in 2020 but I can also see a situation where a Trump-like figure emerges again. Especially if the man himself does start an alt-right media network that speaks to them.

I guess anyone would still win if they ran a more careful campaign and didn't resort to the bizarre antics of Trump but only if the economy is underperforming. If the economy is doing well in 2020 and she avoids real scandal then the Republicans will need someone good. To reiterate though they really can't afford not to be picking up higher proportions of women and minority voters. Even if Trump wins they need to address that, America is only becoming more diverse.

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I personally would like to punch him on the nose

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As for the nuclear response times thing 'the information was already widely known and often cited': http://www.snopes.com/clinton-four-minute-nuclear/

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This reminds me pre-Brexit referendum, where there was a number of celebrity endorsements for remain/leave, what annoys me the most is that if you need to rely on a celebrity endorsement, for anything, it is a sad day for democracy.

Tom Cruise was in London tonight for the new Premiere on his latest Jack Reacher movie. Sky News attempted to press him for opinion on the drama of US Politics and DJT, he refused to be drawn on an opinion, saying he was here to discuss the movie only. Wise move.

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I seem to remember the donald saying the same thing

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/23/po...a-rally-punch/

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Saw this on FaceBook

http://25logicalreasonstovotefordonaldtrump.com/

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Election has entered a dull patch tbh. Everyone seems content to just keep going though the motions at the moment. The post-debate polls don't show much movement. A couple of points up for Clinton in some, the same or a point or two less in others. All within the margin of error.

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Polls moving away from Trump again: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...lina-poll.html

No reasonable way for him to win without North Carolina. Unless he flipped Pennsylvania.

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Those polls are invalid for they only really measure between 100-1000 sample sizes and the New York Times is biased in HC favor, so it is obvious they will target known Democratic safe areas.

I read somewhere that an Internal poll, with a sample size of 50,000 US citizens, 1000 citizens from each of the 50 states, the results were, Trump 67%, Clinton on just 19%. This is fitting in with the trends at Trump rallies, they are full to bursting with people still queuing outside, Hillary struggles to fill venues at her rallies. Trump also has millions of more supporters and followers on social media than Hillary does, my American friends tell me they see a LOT more Trump / Pence signs than they do Hillary signs, around their towns and cities and neighbourhoods. All these things cannot be ignored that it is a strong indication and that it is highly likely that Donald J Trump, will become the 45th President of the United States.

And the last week alone of Wikileak revelations, of the DNC paying folk to cause trouble at Trump rallies, which is a serious breach of Electorial Election Laws:

http://www.charismanews.com/politics...ry-clinton-dnc

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Here are the national polls from the last week:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/10/4.png

Including a +7 from Fox News. These are published polls that report their numbers and their method as opposed to a rumor about an internal poll that suspiciously deviate from all the others. Besides if people are going to make up poll numbers they should make it realistic. 19% is obviously not going to happen. It would mean a big majority of registered democrats switching to Trump, hardly any states being Democratic, and
would be almost twice as big as the biggest landslide victory in American history.

Yard signs are not indicative of national success. How do we know your American friends don't live in a deep red state? I could say I know loads of people with Clinton signs in California. It doesn't mean anything.

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Our own experience in the UK show polls to be unreliable. Paddy Pantsdown still has a hat to eat.

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Problems with that logic is the USA polls have two different methods. National polling and State polling. In both cases here they back each other up. The state polling makes sense relative to the national polls. They also don't have the complication of the parliamentary system for the Presidential race.

Even so if they've got this wrong then it's a far bigger miss than Brexit (where the polls actually weren't that wrong - it's just no one believed them) or the General Election.

Of course they might still be wrong. We also have two weeks to go and something might change.

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Do you know loads of people with Clinton signs in CA? If not then no you cannot say it. There is a difference to just saying something to actually having real life friends over there who talk to me all the time so let this be said, I am not just saying stuff!

Also, I don't see you explaining the reasons for poor turn out at Crooked Hillary rally venues ? Compared the massive turnout at Trump rallies. The massive difference in social media following between them both. You cannot ignore these as indicators. You know what, the only poll that matters is on the official one on the day. Trump should have this Election bagged.

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Mick, in 2014 so much of the chat around the referendum here in Scotland was around Yessers insisting the polls were wrong based on the number of Yes placards they counted along the A82, or the number of people picketing the BBC or showing up for a rally in Glasgow.

None of this gives you a reliable indication of how people will actually vote. All it does is tell you whose activist base is more ... well ... active. The polls in Scotland were reasonably accurate in the end; if anything they over-estimated the insurgency slightly.

The polls in the USA will carry a margin of error, as ours do, but that margin is comfortably less than the distance between Trump and Clinton. There is no doubt, on any objective data, that Trump has a mountain to climb.

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Obama was on Jimmy Kimmel Live, reading out Tweets.

He read one from Trump

President Obama will go down in history as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States!

Obama replied

at least I will go down as president

I call that OWNED :D

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He will have more egg on his face, when Trump becomes the 45th President, according to the Internal polling, he is set for a landslide victory. I don't believe the biased polling from biased media news outlets trying to keep the light on with Crooked Hillary.

But just going back to Obama for a second, he will will go down as one of the dullest Presidents ever, what legacy does the World have thanks to him and largely, Crooked Hillary when she was Sec. of State?

Answer: The Uprising of ISIS and the unstable happenings in the Middle East. Complete and utter disastrous policies led by them both.

We can also I suppose thank him for interfering with our Brexit referendum, threatening us that we would be at bottom of the queue when it comes to trade deals, ooops what PR rhetoric, fed you that crap? Americans don't say queue...., many saw past it and voted against the fool he got egg on his face for that haha.

In his own Country, lots of Americans have got totally fed up of Obamacare, with ridiculous rises in costs for it.

Crooked Hillary would continue where Obama left off and I think most Americans don't want that and would vote for change and they know they would get that with Trump and get most of the same with her.

Trump has this Election bagged because the alternative is too bent, lied and during the Election campaign, she has employed some dodgy practices, including inciting trouble at Trump rallies and let's not shy away from the fact, she has been part of the establishment for 30+ years.

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To be fair.......not bad at all.

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Mick you don't have access to internal polling. I am not sure if you're seeking a reaction here but there is no evidence of a pending landslide for Trump. There might be a case to be made that the polls underestimate his support and, combined with low turnout, he causes an upset.

By the way you can get some clues about internal polling from the way the campaigns behave. Clinton is buying ads in Texas and Arizona and moving money away from states like Virginia and Colorado. Trump appears to have given up on Pennsylvania. These are not the actions of a campaign with internal polling saying they're onto a landslide. If they were why are we not seeing Trump trying to take some blue states like Colorado?

And incidentally for the 'biased mainstream media' these are the same polls that had Trump winning the nomination. That got the last two US elections spot on. Why are they bad now? and not just bad but so bad that instead of Clinton being +7 it will be a landslide for Trump?

Anyway two weeks today and we'll see if Trump has this bagged or not.

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But do you agree, his words could badly backfire ?... :p:

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Damien, Crooked's Hillary's running mate Kaine, had 30 people turn up at one of his Florida Rallies, that is bad, as Florida is a key swing state. Trump manages 10 K - 20K at almost every rally of his and he managed it well again at a rally in Florida. Clinton herself struggles to get 1000 at her own rallies, when she actually goes out to do them.

I already discussed the support being shown on social media for both candidates, the difference being more than a few million between them both.

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Mick, are you drunk.

I personally cannot see Trump winning. In fact l saw a guy in West London today wearing a Donald Trump T SHIRT. An l said 'you must be the only one' and everyone laughed

I can see Clinton winning, but it will be close. I read the American every night. You cannot have a prat like Trump as President. If he won. He would last about three months before someone shot him

Re: US Election 2016
 

And Chris has explained the same happened for the Yes campaign in Scotland.

Corbyn has big rallies and lots of Twitter followers. He isn't exactly doing that well either though. The people who attend these things are never representative of the public. Romney was saying the same thing about having bigger rallies back in 2012.

Incidentally voting has started and whilst it's far too early to draw clear conclusions, certainly not about whose one, there isn't anything that has caused alarm for pollsters. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...ar-in-colorado

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I saw what Chris said don't believe it can be compared to the US Election.

Anyway, I just went to Hillary Clinton's official facebook page and she is getting so many negative comments on her own page... just seen this one LOL...

And another comment here from a post on her wall....

I could not careless what you read Arthur, I SPEAK to Americans every night, so hows that for you and they think it's crooked Hillary who is the prat.

Also, stop advocating an assassination attempt, like you did in one of your last posts on here, pretty sure it's federal crime even suggesting it. You also say it like it would be okay to go around shooting people, it is not, no matter how much a person is hated for whatever reason. I can't stand the ground Hillary walks on, but I would not welcome any kind of violence towards her in anyway shape or form. So please stop repeating those lines.

And no I am not drunk.

Re: US Election 2016
 

Twitter is the worst possible place to gauge an election outcome. Evidence of activism is not evidence of population-wide voter intent. Only time will tell what actually happens, but people are people, wherever in the world they are, and if it's coming down to claims of long voter lines, tweets and numbers of placards then yes, it is very much like what happened here in 2014.

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While i do think trump has more support then polls show i don't think it's enough to get him the election but for me the big thing is how many of my american friends do believe this election may be rigged or corrupted somehow. Such a massive change in 8 years back when obama was running for the first time so many including a few republican supporters were hoping he represented a new era of politics. Now most of them loathe him and have nothing good to say about him and i think that's why his legacy will not be that positive comparing the promise to what was delivered he hasn't been very good.

While the US election is the most glaring example of poor political options it is certainly more widespread and is going to affect many of us in the coming years as we end up with only the corporate lackey's for representatives.

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Former Secretary of State Colin Powell to vote for Hillary Clinton in US election as many moderate republicans switch their allegiance.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...htmlstory.html

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Doesn't really mean anything in the grand scale of things. One could argue that he is perhaps used to aligning himself with corrupt leaders, having served under one.

http://mostcorrupt.com/Most-Corrupt-...strations.html

Put it this way, I don't think Trump will be upset with his vote for the devil.

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Well l cannot blame you for remaining positive Mick even though the omens are pretty ominous with all the polls pointing to a hemorrhaging of Trumps support these past few weeks as many start to realise what a basket case he is although to put it bluntly Hilary Clinton is not exactly the best candidate the Democrats could have had but she is the worst of two evils IMO.

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That site's not to keen on The Donald...

http://mostcorrupt.com/Newsmaker-Limericks.html

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I am scared that Trump is going to win.

If he does I have lost all faith in America, and I'm convinced he will start a new Cold War with Russia, if nor far far worse.

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Hillary may be no angel but sh is the best of two evils.

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Despite the fact that she's quite likely to start a hot war with the Russians in Syria?

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Did you pay attention to the debates?

Did you see the accusations crooked Hillary laid bare at the Russians, Trump declared he would prefer to remain friends with Russia. So I think if any candidate will lead us in to war with Russia, it will be her.

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And? :dozey:

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That can only be believed if you follow the biased news reporting that put's her in a positive light than actually exists.

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We're already in a sort of Cold War with Russia. Last thing we need to do though is appease Putin. NATO especially must be protected, its shameful to abandon Eastern Europe.

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Whose abandoning it ?

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I simply do not agree with that Chris at all, for a start, the voter population, in the US is a LOT bigger than the Scottish Referendum for Independence in 2014.

While I said followers and support for Trump on Twitter is greater than Hillary's, it is also the same on Facebook, you cannot ignore these indicators.

I got the above posts, comments and feedback from Facebook off Hillary's own Official page. She has about 4 million less people following her than Trump. Whenever there is live broadcasts, Trump attracts huge audiences compared to Hillary.

You cannot ignore that Hillary struggles to fill her venues, while Trump's is always bursting to full with people still queuing outside at ALL his rallies and he holds more rallies than she does, because bless her, she needs to rest due to her tiredness levels.

And this talk from a Veteran, who says of larger queues than normal on the first early voting day, I strongly doubt this voter enthusiasm is for her.

I am telling you, he has this election bagged, he is the protest vote whether he is liked or not and I think Trump will be the 45th President of the United States.