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only as obsessed as you are with Cameron and Osborne .

As someone who's always banging on about democracy or lack thereof i'm surprised that you approve of the lack of opposition to the Conservatives

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couldn't agree more

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There does seem to be growing support for Russia and Putin and when our political representatives start saying it we have a major problem as Putin is very good at playing to the crowd. Corbyn saying we might not aid a NATO ally is another nail in the coffin and i do believe there is a concerted effort from Russia to undermine and eventually collapse NATO.

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I've been watching a documentary on BBC2 about the '80's and one thing that stands out is that Labour where in exactly the same position '80 to around '83 as they are now ,a good point made was that Maggie did not win her second term (even with the Falklands war)Labour lost it because of the split in the party .Never has the phrase 'history repeats itself 'been more applicable .

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Corbyn's always been an apologist for communism.

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Despite being a trusim in Labour's case, never has the phrase 'They never learn' been more applicable. :D

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If it came down to siding with Trump or Putin it wouldn't be straightforward choice... :( Suspect Trump wouldn't be interested in Nato/protecting other countries. The world's gone mad which is worrying.

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It's very straightforward actually never ever side or support in anyway vladimir putin he hankers for the bad old days of the soviet union and is trying to turn desire into reality and the west taking their eye off the russia ball has allowed him to be far more successful then he should have been. No matter how bad trump may personally be he will be operating within a system with multiple levels of checks and balances which will keep any real looniness under control till they can get him out of office.

That's another big difference a bad US president can be removed no one is able to remove putin despite growing concern amongst both the political and military establishment in Russia he is going nowhere. Russia is very good at playing the friend till they get what they want and then you get cut loose but they are currently making friends in asia. If NATO does collapse war will not be far behind thats why all member states and their politicians need to start getting behind it and stop the rubbish some are engaging in right now.

We have to take some blame and responsibility for the current situation we made agreements and have broken them handing putin the opportunity to appear more justifiable then he otherwise would.

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You wouldn't need to choose a side. Trump is clearly far more positive about Putin than any standard Presidential candidate.

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I suppose the good point out of all this. I heard that IF Corbyn loses the GE, he will then quit.
Well height as well quit now.

I would bet that when they all come back from there extra long Holiday - My, will call an election, she has a great chance of another five years.

The Labour Party, is in total disarray, and they are fighting each other. May will wipe all the Labour sides totally.

It will be a landslide for the Tories.

And tonight we have the London Mayor, saying that Corbyn MUST step down, and Mr Khan had a landslide against the Tories in the Mayor Elections.

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I doubt the Tories will call an election.

1: The fixed term parliaments act would need to be modified or repealed. That will take time

2: Why bother? With Labour in such a mess their slender majority of seats becomes much more secure.

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Having decided to nominate Corbyn for the leadership in the first place, Sadiq Khan has decided he's not quite up to the job. It's all very well changing his mind but is he really expecting anyone to believe he didn't know what Corbyn was about when he put his name forward? It's not as though Corbyn hasn't been playing the same tune for about 40 years is it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37146729

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Linky

Looks like dissent is rife in the ranks. :D

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They put his name forward to appease the hard-core leftists. A naive move but not a endorsement of Corbyn for leader.

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Labour like to stick a token hard leftist on their leadership elections to "broaden the debate". Unfortunately nobody realised that Ed Milliband's changes to the leadership election rules meant said token lefty could actually win.

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Just goes to show how utterly inept they are. Thank the Lords they're no longer running the country. Time for a new party methinks, one which is at least a credible opposition.

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That's what I was alluding to. Khan knew full well what Corbyn's always been about. It was a typically cynical stunt which misfired badly and as such doesn't reflect well on Khan.

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The more i see of khan the less i like and thankfully i think he will be a one term mayor.

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Me too. He has all the likeability and sincerity of Keith Vaz.

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I totally disagree. Sadiq Khan will serve a second term. I voted for him. I voted as he hs stated that he will put more Police Officers and PCSO's on the street. And l work for them.

We need that extra coverage. But the major problem is that this Country, will NEVER have a Labour Party in Government, while Corbyn is in charge.

He is the only Leader, that has had a Leadship challenge, and No Confidence vote in such a short time when in office.

He does NOT have the bottle to take on the Tories. I hate to say this, but we will have a Tory Government for many years to come

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Khan might well serve a 2nd term but we'll see, 4 years is a long time, he has decent approval ratings though and won by a large margin and being Labour is an advantage in the Mayoral race. We'll see who the Tories put up though, they really had a poor candidate last time and his campaign repulsed people.

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Khan beat an opponent with zero charisma whose campaign couldn't have been managed any worse*. His pledges are already unravelling and if anyone seriously believes his housing target was ever sincere and a realistic goal, I suggest they seek medical help. ;)


* some say Cameron didn't help much...

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They're sending the ballot papers out now - wonder if they'll be able to get that right... :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37150553

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Jeremy Corbyn refuses to take part in Labour leadership debates if C4, Guardian, or the Mirror are involved.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7198171.html

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somebody give him a dummy so he spit it out :rolleyes:

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How's a guy like this going to behave if ever there were enough idiots out there to vote him in? He's like a spoilt little brat who likes to dish it out but can't take it. Given his history lurking on the back benches and voting against his party, I think his recent fame has gone right to his head and addled what little brain he had left. If a scriptwriter had come up with a concept similar to Labour's recent past it would have been rejected as too ridiculous.

I'd love it if the media, from now on, refused to cover Corbyn at all. He's full of hot air anyway so it's not as if we'd be missing much...

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Spitting Image couldn't make it up :D

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The New Statesman, Channel 4, the Mirror and the Guardian are probably the the four most blatantly pro left/pro Labour outlets in the UK. If he think they're all against him then he's totally lost it.

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Corbyn's bunker mentality... :D

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Virgin Trains disputes Jeremy Corbyn claim over lack of seats
Labour leader, who released film of him sitting on floor of ‘ram-packed’ train, seen walking past empty seats on CCTV footage
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-lack-of-seats

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Why is everyone having s dig at Sadiq Khan. Under Buffoon Boris. He wasted thousands of pounds on water cannons
That wont be used
He wasted loads on super highways for cyclist. And that buffoon is now running the country. God help us

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another link
:erm::dozey::td:

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A silly leftie publicity stunt that's fallen foul of modern CCTV technology. It's so crass it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. This is HMG's "opposition":dozey:

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The thing is its so easy to organise a genuine case of it happening , so why make it up?

Its like people who bodge telephone wiring. It takes longer to do it wrong than it does to do it right!

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I wonder how many episodes of this wonderful comedy Corbyn and his chum are going to come up with. It's all rather reminiscent of the Keystone Cops... :D

To think there are folks who're actually voting for this clown... :nutter:

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Some people are so desperate for "the revolution" they think an old white bloke with all the charisma of a dishcloth and all the political skill of a dead badger is the answer...

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I think any train leaving London at 5:20pm would have sufficed :)

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It is the supreme irony and symptomatic of the disorganisation of the Labour party machine that the one he chose had empty seats. :erm:

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Exactly! Its not difficult to find an overcrowded train as martyh points out.

And to think a majority of Labour members think this man is capable of running the country...

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Cynical, hypocritical, nasty piece of work.

That man o'the people mask is slipping.

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The scariest thing is that he and his cronies are that thick they didn't know the train had cctv.....

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Given that Labour policy is responsible for the uptake of much of the cctv in use today it's very scary

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I think his crew thought that Virgin Trains wouldn't bother defending themselves.

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Does THIS mean we can expect a strike soon over the use of the cctv footage.......

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I wouldn't put it past the RMT. Of course they'll call it "work/life balance" or "for matters of safety" so its not obviously political...

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Generally you like your leader to have the appearence of good judgement and rational behaviour so jow can any labour party member with a straight face endorse corbyn a man so stupid he picks sitting on the floor to demonstrate a crowded train. That's not even touching the fact neither he or any of his team noticed the cctv camera or the signs that there was cctv that typically fixed to the wall the guy is an utter joke. Got to be honest though if theresa may actually backs her words with action she'll be more labour then most of the parliamentary labour party of the last two decades and with corbyn leading labour she's gauranteed another term in office at the next election.

Thinking about it all of us with a brain have a good reason to want corbyn for leader so march forward brother's and sister's and lets get jeremy re-elected.

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He's of the same ilk as Red Ken and various others who, most of the time, manage to hide the nastiness within but every so often...

I hear so many people saying they've voted for him because he's different but most of them seem never to have heard of him until the last year or so. Ironically, they think he's a breath of fresh air but all he has to offer is stale, out of date political dogma. He's no different now to what he was way back when and he's just proved he's certainly not above the sort of self serving stunt he's been highly critical of in the past. He really is yet another supreme hypocrite.

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The thing is, if the left really do want to get in to power then they need a dynamic, charismatic leader who can sell the idea of socialism not to the scruffy SWP/Momentum "true believers" in notting hill, but to Mr and Mrs swing voter in Nuneaton or Northampton.

Corbyn simply doesn't have the ability to do that.

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Yes, but CCTV also have a clock on them. An idiot for the Corbyn camp stated that that the CCTV is from another Train, on a separate Journey.

But, the slip up is that he is shown on the Tape, going to sit down in anear empty carriage,

Good old Virgin Trains. Proving that Corbyn is a prat

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Does it matter that the train was full in the end, what's the most important point of this story, commuters having to sit on the floor after paying a fortune for a season ticket or having a pop at corbyn, since when has a politician playing fast and loose with the truth made the news, it's not like we've just made the most important decision of a generation based on nothing but lies

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-lack-of-seats

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If I was feeling uncharitable I'd say it takes one to know one but seeing as I'm am feeling charitable I won't say that.

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The problem is Corbyn (and his supporters) have painted the man as a scrupulously honest, principled man, who's above the petty double-dealing of your average politician.

It basically boils down to the following options:

1: Jeremy Corbyn's team is so incompetent it couldn't even book its leader a train ticket with a seat reservation, and even so, he managed to get a seat in the end. They then film this to make out the train was full up.

2: Jeremy Corbyn's team purposefully booked a ticket without a seat reservation, meaning it was all a set up to start with.

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Politicians are frequently misleading, however even in their game telling deliberate, outright lies to the public is frowned upon.

Walking past empty seats, sitting on the floor and then telling YouTube that there are no empty seats isn't misleading - it is a bare-faced lie, apparently because the facts were getting in the way of the story they wanted to tell.

In another age - not so far in the past - this would have been a resigning issue. Unfortunately, what passes for the Labour leadership is now operating according to some bizarre pseudo-revolutionary principle where just about anything is permissible as long as it furthers The Cause.

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Linky

Those pesky cameras and microphones get everywhere. :D

The real nasty party at work.

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Yes just like Corbyn's mask of respectability which slipped when he cynically decided to mislead the public and got caught out, Labour's cloak of decency has well and truly slipped over the past year or so. Of course those of us who've seen it all before knew full well it was always an act, occasionally betrayed by one or other of them like Brown when he called an old lady a bigot or Livingstone when he likened a Jewish journalist to a Nazi prison camp guard. Some folks are of course just too young to remember the nastiness of the past, others just have a selective memory when it suits but the reality is that nastiness, hypocrisy and deceit runs through Labour's core just like 'Blackpool' in a Fylde Coast stick of rock.

I see Corbyn's typically now claiming that he's been the victim of a politically inspired attack, this time by Richard Branson. In typical lefty style, he hasn't got the decency to admit he's been caught out and gets all nasty about it, trying to shift the spotlight from his deceit. I dare say he'll be hoping for 'a good day to bury bad news' to rescue him...

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He lied. His supporters defend his political incompetence in part because he is a honest politician who doesn't do PR or spin. Here though he lied, he does do these things, so all we're left with is an incompetent politician.

It cuts to the heart of his biggest strength. That's why its news.

Also I hate this idea politicians should travel 2nd class or as have scummy a trip as possible. I hope next time May is on a train she takes 1st class and when asked why he says it's because she is the PM and needs to travel for work. It's not unreasonable for the Prime Minister to travel first class given the work they have to do and the hours they do.

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It's called "Standard Class" these days. ;)

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Jeremy is angry

And at the foot of the article is the report that the release of the cctv footage is being investigated, what a shock :rolleyes:

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As Al Murray said on twitter

"Branson won't have run this past his legal team. No chance at all..."

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I'd be surprised at that. It wouldn't have been Branson who did the actual publishing of the CCTV footage and I would have thought that a Virgin employee with access to such footage would be in knowledge of the DPA and how it applies to their company.

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Yes the story he wanted to tell that was true a couple of stops later, that seems to have been lost in the ensuing excrement storm. I like politicians to be above reproach but the days of doing the honourable thing are long gone

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But some people may have left the train at York, so it may not necessarily have been true a couple of stops later...

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Then he should have recorded it then.

There is plenty of overcrowding on trains so Corbyn has managed to lie in telling a story that is often true. That is a special kind of incompetence.

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so true.

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Sorry but that sounds like Piers Morgan weakly insisting that his front page splash of British soldiers peeing all over Iraqi detainees was "representative of the sort of thing that's going on", right before being forced to admit the photos were staged. And then resigning.

As Damian said, if what he wanted to say was essentially true, all he had to to was bide his time and shoot his footage at a point when it was actually true. This was a very special form of incompetence.

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Apparently Corbyn's account was true according to the other passengers, you know the people that were actually there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...android-h3g-gb

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I travel the East Coast line on a weekly basis at all different times and I chan tell you at 11:00 there is no issue in finding any seat you want.

Now if he'd jumped on at Kings X at 17:15, he could probably be stood up until Stevenage or even Peterborough. But even at those times you can still find a seat if really want one, depends who you're willing to sit next to!

Also, like most of us he'd probably be travelling on an off-peak advance were reserving your seat is mandatory!!!

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Those CCTV pictures showing the empty seats must have been faked, then... ;)

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He was insisting on finding a pair of seats so he could sit next to his wife. A rather difficult requirement on a crowded train. IMHO a self manufactured problem.

If he wanted that he should have booked seats. It ain't rocket science.

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Or fans of his making excuses. I would take CCTV evidence over testimony from others. You can see it yourself. He walks past empty seats, shoots the video, goes back to the seats. All before the train reached it's first stop.

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Some folks really are desperate to support Corbyn the clown aren't they... :rofl:

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What you mean those pictures that could well have been illegally released

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57...b042aee74dca3e

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I'm really not that interested, I'm more interested in a labour leaders lies getting people killed than this bs, politician doesn't quite tell truth shocker

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illegal or not doesn't matter ,they still show what really happened

it may well be bs but put it all together with everything else the bloke has fubard it is not a good place for the leader of HMG opposition to be in

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But Corbyn not being a politician is his biggest selling point. His slogan was 'straight talking, honest politics'. Every time he makes one of his tone-deaf gaffs, poor PMQs performances or misses open goals against the government his fans will tell us that this is because he isn't a politician who spins.

If Corbyn has spent the last year taking the moral high ground it's going to news when he falls from it.

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To give him credit where it's due, at least he's made Miliband look a bit better... :D

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So law breaking doesn't matter but telling a fib does, interesting perspective on rule breaking you have.

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You think that's why it's caused a kerfuffle then, because people fell for his act and got their pants pulled down, more fool them for trusting him

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How about you run along and try and twist my words a bit more :rolleyes:

You suggested(in reply to Hugh) that the fact the cctv may have been obtained or released illegally somehow changes the facts ,it doesn't, there where still empty seats and Corbyn is still a lying SOB .

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And now those facts are bring questioned to by people that were there, on top of the video quite possibly not being legal so I'd say it changes things. Why you so angry marty, you weren't one of the people taken in by him were you? There's no shame in it if you were, I had high hopes for him to at one point.

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The 'story' is a pathetic irrelevance. There is an agenda to get Corbyn, from all quarters, from both inside & outside politics. The timing of all this, as voting papers go out, is interesting. It won't make a difference, quite the opposite. People are fed up of the Tory and Blairite Westminster clique, only interested in their own careers/power at whatever cost. If there was a genuinely good alternative then go for it. Owen Smith isn't it.

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Doesn't change a thing ,how could it ? a fact is a fact regardless of the dubious illegality of the releasing of the CCTV .That is a very weak argument .There where 100 different ways to get the point across RE overcrowded trains and every single one of them would do it better and more honestly than the way Corbyn did it .Next time he has a point to make how do we know he hasn't fabricated facts to support his point

I haven't been a labour supporter since never

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Why you so angry then, shouting and cursing. People actually being there on the train corroborating his story calls the facts into question imo and questioning the cctv legality isn't weak, if they've broken the law releasing it who is to say they haven't doctored it as Hugh jokingly suggested, their integrity is in question every bit as much as Corbyn's imo

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As an attempt at deflection this is mildly amusing. The legality of the release is a separate issue, worthy of its own discussion. It does not, however, alter any of the facts of last week's incident.

Corbyn lied. His team lied. They have spent the last 48 hours frantically trying to cover their asses and now they are hilariously all offering slightly different versions of the tale, thereby breaking all four rules of spin in record time.

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Corbyn is a **** full stop. I just hope that Miss May goes to the country, and then he will quit.

He reminds me of an old Black and White film where a Militant worker gets hired for a company in Brighton and goes there to wreck the company who starts a strike.

An when he succeeds, he leaves and gets paid and that's it.

Cobyns reminds me of him

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What I find amusing is that people are getting their knickers in a twist over a politician lying, perhaps it's the straw that broke the camels back after all those whoppers we swallowed during the referendum campaign. I thought we liked being lied to anyway, I mean there's a guy sleeping on a giant pile of cash and was complicit in the on going deaths of about a million people based solely on lies and we've done nothing about him and no I'm not trying to deflect anything of anyone just stating facts that we're all so fond of.

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Corbyn has turned Arthur into a Tory. That's how bad he is.

The article I linked to about spin is a useful read. There is a difference between spin, which is a presentational trick, and outright lies (such as, for example, "there are no seats" when in fact there are).

Corbyn is guilty of telling an outright lie, in a way almost guaranteed to get himself caught, and then spectacularly mismanaging the fallout. He isn't fit to lead any political party, never mind the country.

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At least if you're going to lie then do it well.

Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell wouldn't get caught out by so simple an error. They would have intentionally sought out a crowded train. Cynics would say they set themselves up for a photo-op but crucially they wouldn't be able to definitively prove it nor would it really matter.

Talented politicians rarely outright lie. They spin, obfuscate, carefully word statements or deal in hypothetical scenarios but they would rarely put themselves in a situation where something can be completely shown to be false.

The incompetence of it all should alarm people more than the lie.

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That is the test of a true politician.

:tu:

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As a chap on another forum pointed out, if Corbyn had both brain cells firing he'd have done the stunt on a Southern train at rush hour. That would be pretty much irrefutable, keep the southern rail strikes (which are damaging the government) in the news and really help his cause.

Instead his crew decide to do it on an 11am train to Newcastle with spare seats. Again, if he'd gone for "people have to do this every day, I decided to try it for an hour to highlight the issues" he might have got away with it.

But no, his crew decided to go for the full whopper and make it all up. It reminds me of that woman who claimed she'd been assaulted in Primark while breastfeeding, only for it to be proven she'd made it all up and she was given a suspended prison sentence.

And as for those laying in to Branson for releasing the CCTV footage, all companies are well within their rights to defend their reputation against what could be argued to be defamation/libel or similar. I think Corbyn's team thought that Virgin Trains and Branson simply wouldn't bother defending themselves, only for them to get a very nasty shock.

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With all due respect, Corbyn couldn't run a children's party. ;)

Aside from UK PLC not so slowly grinding to a halt, can you imagine the sort of international incidents Corbyn would get us into if he were leading the country? In political terms he's like a sad old man who's become a bit of a hermit with some odd and not very nice habits which he hitherto got away with because nobody noticed. Can anyone seriously imagine him representing and negotiating anything of any worth for the UK? Right now he's only the leader of a party in what I hope is terminal decline yet he's managed to show himself as a ditherer or fantasist on virtually all the important issues he's faced.

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On facebook, someone who's the son of a serving Labour MP and a true believer of Corbyn said "Corbyn can take May"

The reply?

"Corbyn would struggle to take a bath..."

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:rofl:

It's quite noticeable how there's a vociferous minority of people who appear out of the woodwork whenever Corbyn puts his foot in it and argue he's done nothing wrong. Similar tactics are used when there's a tube strike and all of a sudden seemingly random people appear on the airwaves, all saying remarkably similar things in defence of the union line. Far too similar...

It's a well known tactic of course based on the he who shouts loudest school of thought. The difference with Corbyn is that I don't think most of these people respect him half as much as they claim. What the extremist element see in him is, I believe, an opportunity to exploit his weakness in order to further their destructive objectives. To that extent Corbyn is a tool in more ways than one...

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Yep, Corbyn's just an Useful Idiot to the hard left.

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Corbyn is not useful for anything or anyone the man is a walking calamity and how he's managed to get the fanatical followers i have no idea but i suspect they are fanatical about what he claims to be rather then what he actually is. This entire train stunt was just plain lazy and badly implemented and if the man can't bring the issue of overcrowded trains which do exist fairly often to light in an honest and semi intelligent way then that's a massive warning as to how incapable he'd be with anything remotely hard much less the day to day running of a government.

It's been funny but this is a joke that's long since run it's course labour party members need to come back to planet earth and elect someone serious and who may be able to run things. Corbyn is not a leader he's barely a politician and has no right being in the forefront old story of a very limited individual elevated far beyond his ability and the other lesson for labour is not to put up joke candidates because as Corbyn has proved they sometimes win.

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The joke may have run its course but the gift just keeps on giving. :)

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In case you're wondering what excuses are being made for Corbyn so that he didn't lie they are:

1. CCTV was fake
2. He walked down to find seats together, when he went back they were all taken. Then Virgin moved people around and he got one
3. There are bags and coats on the seats but Corbyn couldn't talk to the passangers in case they were not converts of St Jeremy the Honest
4. The passengers were neoliberal shills and as such Corbyn stood (or sat) well clear
5. The seats were taken by a band of travelling midgets

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6. Richard Branson once had a photo taken with Tony Blair. Ergo he's Blairite

7. There were spare seats, but Jeremy wanted two together so he could sit by his wife

8. The tories have done the same

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9. It's all Thatcher's fault.

10. It's all Bliar's fault.

:D

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On a related note...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37190437 Brings to mind the old phrase about the inability to organise a heavy drinking session at a place where beer is made.... :D

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Right now a whelk stall is looking like it'd overstretch Labour's organisational capabilities.

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A lie is a lie in my book. It's no wonder people trust politicians less than bankers or estate agents, if they really want people to start engaging with politics they could start by simply telling the truth more.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...d-bankers.aspx

I do agree with you about corbyn though, I had high hopes for him when he got the job and really hoped he could change the face of politics as we now know it but he wasn't up to it. I don't think he is a very honourable man either, if I was damaging something I claimed to love to such an extent it might be destroyed surely the decent thing to do is step aside.

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I'm actually beginning to doubt how "pleasant" Corbyn really is. His tetchy, combative responses to difficult questions are a bit of an eye opener.

Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 

Sigh he's at it again

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...android-h3g-gb

Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 

It would help if he and his aides could agree on a consistent story...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0f78b2b4c727a

Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 

Not for me, I recall him and his unpleasantness from years back.

As for the supposed message of support from Bernie Sanders:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7208631.html

Yet another red face for Corbyn, well I suppose that's to be expected from someone so rooted in the leftist politics of the past.

I think what's going on here is that Corbyn and his cronies are making it up as they go along. He seems to have his very own version of the Midas touch which sadly for him, results in everything he touches going wrong...