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"Tout est pardonne"

All is forgiven? I don't get it. Have they forgiven the Muslamics? Pathetic.

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Considering that's Muhammad on the cover I'd say its unlikely

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so these Islamic morons kill people for this -they might aswell declare war on pencils now as this isn't going away

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The BBC run a story describing the cover but, obviously, don't show the cover itself.

If there were ever a story where such a thing were editorially justified this would be it.

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More people have now seen these cartoons than had before the mass killings by a bunch of religious nut jobs.

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I'm not putting my address on something for privacy reasons - it's a rather rapid route to identity theft by automated web crawlers.

As far as the rest goes - I have been publishing them via social media and here. My real name is on Facebook and Twitter, that plus my alias on a couple of the sites and Google means someone minded to could find me in a matter of minutes.

Using social media gives my publishing a broader audience than a website would, along with a more appropriate context.

You're welcome. :)

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Agreed.

They don't, however, mind splashing Cliff Richard's face all over the place when there's no evidence at all that he's done anything wrong. I guess the BBC panel which decides who's offended (or unfairly damaged) by what doesn't feel that sort of thing matters.

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It was all about being questioned and criticised.
they kill you for questioning their stupidity. and for criticising their stupidity.

they're shocked at a cartoon.
and we're shocked that they actually killed because of a cartoon.

but where has it got them?
nowhere. instead of silencing a few. they've attracted many millions more to question and criticise their stupidity.

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The Guardian have shown it, albeit with a warning that it may offend.

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The BBC showed it on Newsnight as well.: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-on-cover.html

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I wish we could decide what his name actually is.

is it Mohammed or is it Muhammed?
I've seen it spelt both ways on the same piece of paper. and in the same article.

another one is Muhammad.

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Perhaps audience research suggests murderous 'religious' fanatics and don't watch Newsnight.

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Good! Part of the way there.

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I've seen loads of posts around the net of people complaining that they "don't get the joke" after seeing the cartoons, old and new. The "jokes" are SATIRICAL and not meant to make you laugh. :dozey:

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The definition of satire can elude some.

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So Miranda and The Mighty Boosh must be satire then...

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Some far more than others, clearly...

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Not sure if that's enough mate, I think not to be cowards we have to put on a sandwich board coated with these cartoons and walk around the middle of Bradford and Luton (Die Hard 3 Style) Then and only then are we doing our bit.

Likewise should we in future support any military campaignes, anyone that wants to show such support on here will have to go straight down to army careers and join up, lest we want to be labelled cowards by certain members of this site?

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Your post, that I replied to, implied that the cartoonists shouldn't have been publishing what they were. Or did I misread it? :(

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Sorry.

In that case I'll also stop commenting on ATP tennis, as I'm not a professional tennis player, the Aviva Premiership as I only got as far as school rugby, world fencing as I only got as far as national level, and ICC cricket as I only got as far as county level.

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I did think that the massive crowd in Paris, there to protest and show solidarity, would have been much more effective at showing solidarity if they had each been holding one of the offending cartoons.
Likewise, every 'je suis charlie' pic/post on facebook etc really isn't demosntrating anything concrete without a cartoon of the prophet beside it. Without that, it's just words.

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I'm on it, Chief :)

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Good call, free speech doesn't apply to you then :)

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You've misunderstood it,If the magazine is publishing cartoons of Mohammed they are deliberately setting out to insult every Muslim on the planet not just the nutters with guns but every single peaceful one and whichever way you try to justify it that just is not right .Had the magazine just insulted the jihadists then that would fine ,no problem at all but the magazine is insulting all Muslims simply by printing pictures of their prophet

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Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TV

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Wish we could do the same here.

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no chance mate

our leaders just pussy foot around the issue backed up by their army of roll over and appease merchants .

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:tu:

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take a minute to read what you have posted. Then write me a 2 pages of A4 report on why it is a complete load of bollocks.

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It looks nothing like him.

Neither does this man.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/01/16.png

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why limit it to what he just posted its all .......................................;)

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So what?.......that is/was their right :shrug:
They also have the right not to be murdered for exercising that right.

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I don't think he is advocating people get murdered for it.

This seems quite simple so I am not sure why everyone is arguing. You can respect the notion of a free press whilst criticising what people are printing. Freedom of expression doesn't mean you're immune from being criticised for what you've expressed, indeed the criticism is itself a form of freedom of expression. Where is martyh saying they don't have the right to publish it?

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He has a point.
an obvious point.
a point that should be so obvious to them.

it's a bit like going to Mars and constantly complaining that the martians are not how you want them to be.

they'd tell you to go home too.

assuming they don't vaporise you first.

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It may yet come to that ;)

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why is it ,instead of being so arrogant explain your reasoning ,or is it simply bollocks because it is different opinion to yours :rolleyes:

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I still don't understand why Jesus (a prophet to muslims) is allowed to be portrayed in pictures, statues, etc., but not their other prophet?

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So basically what you're saying is that freedom of expression comes with limits :erm:

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Because jesus is the son of god to Christians but only a man to Muslims(and jews) and as such cannot be portrayed in statue or picture form, because that would be classed as idolotry to a Muslim

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How do you differentiate between the Muslims that take offence and the ones that don't?

Do you draw a cartoon of Mohammed and write on it for Jihadists only?

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Interesting.

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Isn't that the point? You can't. So there is a valid argument that to display the pictures is to insult a bunch of people most of whom didn't do anything wrong. Extending it further you could say it feeds the terrorists narrative that this is a battle of Islam vs the West rather than a fight against extremism.

Making that argument doesn't mean you're against free speech. Free speech also includes things you disagree with.

I mean personally I like the idea that they're coming back with the same picture as a statement they won't cede to violence but I can see the logic in the other argument.

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I don't buy a lot of that. He points out that many papers and magazines have refused to run cartoons they find distasteful but that isn't a violation of the principle of free speech, it's people deciding what they want on their platform.

He is right about the Poppys though. Maybe. Slightly different setting fire to them though.

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I don't care about the ones who take offence.

My concern is with those who take action because of it.

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I'm a scouser. Now when ever we are lampooned a la Harry Enfield as tight permed, moustached, she'll suit wearing, thieves calming down a lot.

That depiction may offend some scousers it may not offend others, any non-scousers usually find it hilarious

Do we censor it so as not offend the easily offended, who also did nothing wrong other than bring born in Liverpool (although some may think that bad enough)

it the old offence argument. You have every to be offended, they have every right to offend.
If a Muslim wanted to set fire to a poppy, so be it. I wouldn't like it, but neither would I hit him or shoot him.

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Indeed. I share your concern, but I wouldn't change my behavior to accommodate them.

If I was in Pakistan or Saudi, then yes I would. I would conform to their ways and wants, but we're not. We're in the UK and they should bend our way not the other way around.

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Nobody is saying you should.

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I agree.

I don't see what the dispute has been about the last few pages. I don't think anyone has said that these cartoons should be banned by law or that violence is warranted against those who publish them. That's all free speech really affords you.

Other than that people can seriously criticise the decision of others to say or publish something which is what's happening and that too can be criticised in turn.

I am just saying that because a few pages back people were telling martyh that people have the right not to be murdered which seems redundant.

I probably am missing something. This is like when I tired to understand what gamergate was about. :dunce:

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You don't and as Damien said that is the point.Apart from that insulting a religious icon (of any religion) is to insult the religion itself therefore all the followers ,how much offence is taken by individuals depends on the individual naturally

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See the thing is, folks can argue, disagree, be offended and even get personal here but nobody loses their heads... ;)

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But doesn't that mean that members of a group can have different views on things, and it would be mistaken to assume the views of a small vociferious minority are that of the majority? ;)

That would be like people from outside CF assuming all CF'ers think like Alan Fry, and support his views.......D

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Come to think of it... :ninja: :sniper:


;)

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I think the more accurate analogy for many people would be as you say but with the rest of the CF membership *seemingly* saying little or nothing against Alan Fry's behaviour and appearing to be doing equally little to curb his behaviour.

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Well well the peaceful religion strikes again, thank god France doesn't have sharia law as this is allowed any disrespect shown to the Prophet is a death sentence. I mean how stupid must people be to stand up for these people who say they are killing in honor of their prophet who they have never SEEN OR MET only read about in book.

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Who's been standing up for them(i assume you mean the terrorists)aside from other extremists.

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Yes that what I mean

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I can't workout what I'm arguing about anymore.

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i think its about the right to do nothing but sit on ones hands while society goes down the pan ,and then argue that by doing nothing you are actually doing something and that those who actually want to do some thing other than nothing are cowards and should go on social media and get themselves shot .

;)

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Its alright I think the member in question was just being satirical like Miranda or the mighty boosh

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And yet 500 years ago muslims themselves were doing drawing of the prophets face, here's a little left field idea, why don't they just not read the magazine if they feel insulted by it

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Liberal hand wringers at there best ;)

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That's what they wanted :)

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Arf!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/01/21.jpg

“Bah, where are they, our 70 virgins? With team Charlie”

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I've been trying to work that one out for some time now..I am having trouble understanding why everyone is so cross about it too.

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You're just saying that because they're French.

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Did someone speak?

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...y-paris-gunman
So much for free speech..

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Wonder if he will be attacked by christian fundamentalist terrorists. ;)

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He didn't :)

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K. Not sure why everyone is arguing then.

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Just demonstrating their freedom to do so... :)

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The cartoons were about criticising violent acts, but his comment was about supporting and encouraging those violent acts. Not so subtle difference.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbwcBYT0DI

Proves her point nicely. Pathetic.

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The problem we have in this country is the Government are to afraid to do anything incase they are seen as being racist against a minority.

Also i would expect if the government did do something Brussels would stop it.

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Yup. Pathetic.

As usual it boils down to who's fair game to 'offend' and who isn't.

These people appear to have learned nothing from history or more recent events. If we can have a social media campaign which prevents a footballer/rapist from getting a job for the foreseeable future, why the hell can't we have one which shows this nonsense up for what it is?

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Well they won't be winning any awards for reporting the news in a true and impartial way.

are we still in line to win that award for the softest country in the world?

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looks like there's a few unhappy folk out there - girl power at its worst

#noapology: Muslims stage angry protests over Charlie Hebdo's Mohammed cartoon as Boko Haram terror leader hails Paris massacre

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I think in hindsight. maybe they should have used my stickman now.

whilst they're out there causing a riot. the men are going hungry.

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i admit i am worried for the muslim community in this country.

We are seeing anti Islam marches across the world and im worried the populas of world who have had enough of the extremists will start damaging their businesses like we saw with the Jews in WWII.

ISIS has called for muslims to return home and how better to do it, cause problems and the muslims will feel uneasy and afraid and they will return home.

This is not about religion anymore they are just power hungry and the more returning the more power over them.

If we could find a way of containing them indefinately there will be a power struggle and may even lead to a civil war and find different factions control certain areas.

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a good point there GaryL

how unislamic of them to go out protesting when they should be at home making dinner and who's picking the kids up from school ?

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Mehdi Hasan giving some fairly loathsome opinions.

Always 'liberal' when convenient, indeed a darling of the PC left, but a rather chequered history on such matters as far as Islam goes with various records of rather Islamist comments and sentiments.

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I agree mostly that a lot of that is pretty loathsome and anger-inducing. Especially where he compares the decisions of people not publishing anti-semitic to a violation of free speech. Free speech doesn't mean you're entitled to be given a platform on demand.

The only part where he may have a point is if burning the poppy should led to prosecution. It just depends of if the act of burning would be considered free expression or not? Haven't really come to a conclusion on that.

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I find his equating publishing pictures of Mohammed, a historical figure, certainly, but most definitely one for whom their connection to divinity is entirely based on 'faith', with mocking the holocaust utterly nauseating.

That said, I entirely support his right to hold this point of view even if I consider it to be complete nonsense.

You may also find the comments section interesting. Mildly alarming too in places.

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I just wanted to update this as I know how deeply concerned people are.

Via social media, on which my real name, photograph and city of residence are openly displayed on my profile, my reach on this matter is, at a conservative estimate, around the 2 million mark as of right now.

I will get some idea of just how many desktops it arrived on once I have the full analytics, though it seems reasonable to think it would've had a bigger reach than some random website.

I have also become a Patreon of an online satire coming soon. Quite literally putting my money where my mouth is on a monthly basis alongside my ongoing contributions to Humanism which, in itself, supports freedom of speech.

You remain entirely welcome.

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:D

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It's fortunate that people like him occasionally let their cloak slip. Ken Livingstone is another example of someone who often seems remarkably reasonable but then says/does something which betrays the rather less palatable side of his politics. Thankfully, today it's far harder to bury the truth about what's been said and done - a little searching often reveals all.

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Free speech has to be extended to all.However whether we bother to listen is another matter BUT arresting people for a point of view is not allowing freedom of speech however loathsome it maybe.

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It'll be interesting to see if this freedom of speech thing will affect govt. policy when it comes to admitting into the UK people who might wish to say things some people don't want to hear.

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Well what i stated a few days ago has started already...

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...am--xym9dNkyox

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I do like that :D

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Ooookay..

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

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Firstly, we don't have "free speech". As it has been pointed out many times in many threads.

We have free speech within the confines of the law.

You can't libel a person, you can't run into a cinema and shout "fire run for your lives" (unless it's on fire!) you cannot incite violence or racial hatred.

I haven't read what was said, but I can only assume it fell within the latter category.

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meanwhile the nutters are out on the streets

Hang the cartoonists!' Pakistani Muslims demand death sentence for Charlie Hebdo staff for committing 'worst act of terrorism' by drawing the Prophet Mohammed

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Who knows what the Prophet Mohammed looked like anyway. His real name was Brian so F off.

O crap I just had an outburst of freedom of speech and literature, shame on me, he, he.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30840160

Anyone surprised another attack was being planned?

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This thread's going to need a new title sadly.

I wonder if what these **** were up to will be revealed.

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Gods work again ?

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These were followers of Isn'tlam, as Islam is the religion of peace and none of its followers would do such things.

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Isn't that the yorkshire chapter of Islam?

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I'm watching French tv and the raid on a house in Verviers, Belgium, right next to the railway station I often used. 2 dead, 1 arrested, just back from Syria and preparing major attacks.

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"police had targeted a group returning from Syria"

My advice is to target all those going and returning from Syria.

it annoys me that they can live in a foreign country. declare war with that other country. pop back home. and then come back to the foreign country to kill a few foreigners.

and then carry on living in that foreign country planning and carrying out more killings of the foreigners. in a foreign country.

I think politeness and niceties has got to be thrown out the window now.
if they go out. don't let them back in.
state of emergency. they want to kill you. don't give them the opportunity.

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Were they shouting ally snackbar ??

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If they go out. don't let them back in EVER

Fixed it for you :tu:

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What we could do is. at the airports we could put some tracking device with a mic and a detonator hidden in their luggage.

when we know that they're around their fellow nutters. and they mention going to Allies Snackbar. we blow them up.

we can do it under the terms of National Security Offensive. and Anti Nutters Law.

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I've always said it has nothing to do with Islam.

it's to do with not taking the tablets.