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I am on about the claimant actually choosing the course at a collage or similar

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I wasn't sure whether you were talking about the jobs not mattering for everybody on benefits.

I've always been against somebody receiving that amount of money on benefits.

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There's an anti Maggie protest building up in Trafalgar Square.

3.000 now. it was only 250 not too long ago.

Supposed to be Millwall fans heading there. as well as the EDL.

Not looking good.

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It'll enter Camorons's mind at some point that those on the capped level of benefits should pay the same bills as those in work at that level of income. Byebye help with the rent and poll tax.

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Who's paying poll tax? :confused:

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As I said, if they pay it back, like a student loan.............great idea.

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Don't you?
I thought everyone had to pay a contribution now?

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Not since 1989 iirc.

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Not since 1989 iirc.

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These are the changes for one Local Authority. I assume that others will be similar.

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Osem, you have hit the nail on the head, exactly spot on.

In other countries the wages are so small, that's the reason why they come to this country, the money.

I have said on this forum that a mate of mine can employ - four Polish workers for the price of ONE British worker.

A decent living wage in the UK would be between 16/ 18 thousand per year, what members are looking at is taking a wage of £15.000 and even lower. With the high cost of everything in this country, you cannot live on anything like that.

Yes, the government would help people on low wage - BUT you have to work at least 6/7 weeks on a very low wage to get the pay slips and then wait for the outcome.

I should know as l have done it, and its going back in time - living in total poverty.

There are no longer any decent jobs out there, as they have all gone.

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So I assume that you, socialist pillar, beratebthis friend of yours. As he should be protecting British jobs and employing British workers shouldn't he?


I'm glad you recognise that, as some people earn much more on benefits


I've got one

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So either your mate is paying Polish workers well under the minimum wage or the the UK workers can afford to be ridiculously picky with the jobs they take and the wages they get.

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You should know that Arthur and contradiction are close bedfellows... :D

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I'm sure Arthur only ever buys British too... :rolleyes:

Re: Benefit Cap v No work
 

I haven't been on benefits for over 25 years (i was single and no kids then) in all that time I have never earned that much on a flat week and yet people are up in arms because they are getting total benefits capped @ 500pw ffs some people ain't living on the same planet as the rest of us.

Re: Benefit Cap v No work
 

its only the baby machines and people living in cities with higher rent that get more that £500 a week in the main

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There's about £750 Billion of stagnant funds held by UK businesses in their bank accounts.

The companies that own that money made it by being privileged to be based in the UK, i.e. they benefited from the UK people, the UK business environment and its regulatory systems. So, they owe the UK a very big payback at times like this.

It would take approximately 20% to 25% of that £750 Billion to create new jobs for every unemployed person in the UK. That sum would also include the full wage bill for 1 year at UK average salary level.

And NO the rich are not the only people who work hard. Many do work hard but many of them only play at working or don't really work at all. It's a question of proportionality not one extreme or the other. I'd like to see many rich people's attempts at doing a real day's work....especially year in, year out on the marginal wages that some are paid. The gap between rich and poor is on record as being greater than it has ever been...and it is getting bigger faster.

Oh, and while that £750 Billion is sitting in bank accounts, guess who is benefiting most! 10 out of 10 if you answered "bankers" who have been proven to be collectively irresponsible and led by those with the greatest psychotic traits in society.

Time to deal with empirical evidence, not the opinionated and unsubstantiated extremism that's found at either end of the rich/poor, left/right political spectra. Time to kick out the traditional political parties who have demonstrated their incompetence and vested interests too many times to count.

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I don't support anyone getting more in benefit then they would in work unless they are medically proven to be unfit for work and even then only if they live in one of the higher cost cities. But to pretend the majority or even sizable minority enjoy a lavish life on benefit is making it too easy to hit the vast vast majority of claimants who are just the same as working people they are good decent honest people trying to do their best and getting royally kicked in the teeth at the minute. This hate culture that is growing around the welfare state is a very bad road to go down and not one that anyone will enjoy if it continues.

As for osbourne and his "all critics are living in another land and have no credible suggestions" yeah if you say so george many groups from the disabled sector tried to work with this government and offered many suggestions and were ignored. The main problem was that on closer inspection many of the assumptions the government made were completely wrong and could not be backed up by hard data, even the office for national statistics doesn't back up much of what the government says.

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The usual louts l am afraid.:(

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GPs in south east Wales told not to help benefit appeals


How long before this attitude spreads accross the whole UK? GP's sniffing after even more money I think.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-23353623

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Breaching the Hippocratic oath the very thing they stand for

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They are still required to provide info to the DWP etc, just not for a specific patient request.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

well according to Nick and Margaret on BBC the nation average is still 5 people unemployed for every job and then there are those in work after changing jobs according to documentary tonight in some areas there are 45 applicants for every low paid job

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Bad news buried behind 'major' news...

'Disabled benefits claimants test: Atos reports found 'unacceptably poor'.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...os?INTCMP=SRCH

I can't seem to find anything on this on the BBC etc.

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Why,

The NHS are there to save lives not fight for people's benefit claims. Since when has the hippocratic oath covered supporting benefit claims.

My doctor would not sign my passport application when i asked because he said it was not part of his job role, which was to cure people's illnesses. Sso why should he spend time filling out forms and writing letters to the benefit office.

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:tu: I looked but couldn't see anything. :)

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I take it you haven't the need for any help in trying to fight your own cause, because without that help you're screwed basically.

It's odd when the forms you fill in ask for evidence from your GP and also the full details of your GP and consultants, so now you're saying they shouldn't get involved. So what would happen then? Just leave it to ATOS to screw you over royally, do you think that's fine? Just because you think that those that know your history shouldn't be allowed to do their jobs? Without the letter from my GP I doubt wouldn't have been able win (such a bad word to convey such an 'award') my claim.

If ATOS did a proper job, then they would get info from your GP and consultants and they would take it into account but they don't. So we have to fight our own corner and produce the evidence needed, where you do think we should get this evidence from? Instead they ignore medical information and then it goes to the appeals which all adds to the cost of the taxpayer.

What a strange attitude you have.

As for the passport, most have a charge to sign those type of docs. It seems you have one of a few practices that just sounds crap.

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If he's willing to be paid for it (many doctors charge £20 for a signature in such matters) then I don't see why he won't do it.

In my day job if someone asked me to 'officiate' a pro wrestling match then of course I'd refuse. While at work (my main role) I'm there to do a job. But outside of those hours if someone wants to book me to ref a show then I'll do it, providing I get paid for it.

Doctors could easily do the same. Many of them have second jobs (private practices, consultancy work etc) so why don't they offer a 'signature' service as well? They can ensure they get paid for it (and not getting in to a debate about whether £20 is value for money for a scribble) so as far as I can see the only doctors who refuse to offer this are the ones who don't want to.

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Because it harms the patient and therefore breaches the Hippocratic oath. The end results could lead a mentally ill patient to suicide or other forms of harm. Making sure you can go abroad is totally different

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ATOS are working to DWP / Gov guidelines the policies ATOS are following are not theirs there prime purpose in life is to get people off ESA/incap and onto JSA in a cash cutting ploy.

A recent documentary shows that there is 1 job for every 5 applicants however a lot of applicants for these jobs are already in employment and looking to move. Lower paid less skilled jobs have seen approx 45 applicants per job so the urinating in the wind continues

The long term unemployed IMO should be allowed a year in full time education and as long as they apply themselves and turn up then they should get benefits at least this way there will be more people with training available later on

And so I will again repeat myself. ESA and Incap is less than 10 billion a year this year the government have given away 11 billion in foreign aid and the state pension has cost 75 billion. ATOS themselves have 3 billion in gov contracts

It is no wonder IDS and Cameron's shoes are wet I tell you

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Thats was the case, he does not do it at all even paid.

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I could say the same for you. Everyone posting on this forum has a right to post how they feel about a subject, therefor i did and have.

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My brother has been in a bad situation, He worked for the Royal Armouries since leaving school at 16 he worked for them for about 15 years then got made redundant in 2011.

Since then he has struggled to find work as when he left school he left with not much qualifications and never expected to the inside of a dole office. but here we are but because of government cut backs the house he lives in is private rent and is around £460 a month while working it wasn't a problems he's never been in debt.

But because he is under 35 (34) this year he is classed as only being able to get shared accommodation rent (£61) a week which doesn't cover his rent neither does the dole money he gets every 2 weeks make up for the rest as he uses that for food, gas/elec, water etc.

He's spoken to the local councilor and gone through a break down of his general living and he's agreed the outgoings far exceed his living.

He's applying for 1 bed flats through the council and managed to get moved to band B giving him a better chance. but no luck yet and he's struggling with jobs. his CV is fine but I think its the masses applying.

The housing officer has suggested that he sell his his stuff and move into a hostel. I was well annoyed over hearing that. he's spent years building his house up and 33 I don't see why he should give it all up because at 35 you seem to be classed as ok to get £100 a week towards rent. which it would have stopped him getting in so much debt.

So he is about 2k in debt with rent now the landlord has been ok with it and understands his circumstances but even he has said that he can only take it for so long and he'll be kicked out so it's just a matter of time.

So he can't get any help at all times have got hard

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yeah these age things are stupid . I lived in shared housing for years as a young man that was fine then but I was 24 when I got a flatlet self contained and it was heaven I still partied hard but I had the choice on if it was at mine or not. 25 is a more realistic figure if one has to be used not 35 when you should be settled

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I guess 35 is the new 21 not classed as an Adult in the governments eyes till then

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Well ive had a bad few months due to incapacity changing over to ESA my mental health went pretty bad again due to worrying constantly.

Received my letter today saying i have been awarded ESA and placed in the support group, this is without a medical so this is a huge relief and now i can restart on getting help again.

I do have the say the system is wrong! i find it unfair that i didn't need to go for a medical but someone with a terminal illness has to and they get refused it and sadly they pass away, how is this right? of course i am not well but i think i should of gone for a medical.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

If other medical persons have backed up your sitution, then further medicals aren't really necessary.

Best wishes for your future.

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Consider yourself lucky that you didn't need a medical, otherwise there would have been a good chance you wouldn't be in the group you're in now. Then your health would probably have gotten worse with all the stress of the appeal(s) etc.

I understand where you're coming from though.

Also congrats on getting this far and for your result. :tu:

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the anxiety before hand was worse than the actual medical for me. Glad you got on the support group

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Just had my newsletter from Benefits and Work and it appears ATOS have lost their monopoly and everyone has to be retrained and the better news for now is it appears the Universal credit software has had to be scrapped meaning there may not be a change to this till the next election


http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/...alling-in-gds/

http://wheresthebenefit.blogspot.be/...ed-by-dwp.html

so all that money saved with bedroom tax and the cuts have all been wasted

300 mill lost with the failed software apparently

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You may want to read the rest of the first link ,it says nothing about the system being scrapped .it says the I.T is outdated and don't forget it is being rolled out over 4years and is already working in some areas

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Also it says the following

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

I made my post from the info I got from the newsletter I only looked for links as a curtsey to stop the inevitable "where is the link" posters

The architecture is not upto the job and they say it needs to be bought upto scratch on time and on budget well we all know how that happens all the time don't we the release will be slowed down as they do not have the number crunching power to keep up.

it also says which counters Sirius quote

I would be all for the Universal credit if it was paid 2 weeks in advance instead of monthly in arrears. Rent will be expected in advance 4 weeks or a full month will leave people £400+ in debt at least to the rent then they have to pay gas and electric all out of money they do not have. It is a terrible idea that will bring hardship to thousands

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Its just terrible and thanks guys and gals.

They should really recheck what they are doing.

Did any of you read about the man (forgot his name) who went on hunger strike because he was claimed to be fit for work, well he got it in the end.

It takes starving yourself to get your benefits these days by the sounds of it! ALSO i wish the media would stop brainwashing the public into thinking every benefit claimant is a scrounger, its totally not fair.

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This is the worst part of what is going on and this is why I keep repeating the figures that show the other side

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Shocking isn't it, is the government behind it you think with the media?, i am starting to think so.

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Yes I think so, with a lot of help from papers Like the Daily Fail.

You can see that it's working even on here by the change in attitude some of the members of CF have.

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So True. What gets my goat is that there is an opinion of some that you can just walk in, sign on the dotted line and claim everything there is and you're entitled to the lot because you can't be bothered to work. Some just don't realise how hard it is and how rigorous the testing is yet still get called a scrounger or don't believe you.

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The gov spend a fortune spinning

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for sure

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Most have no clue what it is like now. Most here do not have to apply for low paid jobs because of lack of training.They have no idea of what reality is like for the unemployed and sick

And worst of all they refuse to listen to those with first hand experience instead opting to keep their jaded views and ignorant opinions ( ignorant of the truth not name calling) they are the sheep falling for the propaganda and you can see by how many have fallen for it how well it works

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What frustrates me in these cicrumstances is that the Benefit system doctors overule your GP.

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This!, there is no one else who knows your circumstances better than your own GP.

I will be visting my GP soon and i may ask if the DWP contacted him over my claim, just to see if they actually do.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

The answer to iFrankie, is that they do, but this can sometimes takes weeks, However the DWP can and sadly will overrule a GP.

My GP for example is qualified in many fields, and she trains GPs for hospital works, and she often gets overruled by local authorities.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Don't worry about them dilli as they have plenty of bark but no bite and alas they have a complete unsympathetic understanding of many peoples difficult and ongoing health problems.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Don't know if it's worth a mention but since Dozy IDS brought ATOS to these shores no fewer than 11,500 (and counting) have committed suicide.

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At least their not claiming anymore, good work Gideon, Dave, keep it up

:(

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May I be the first in this thread to invite you to provide proof that ATOS has caused the suicide of 11,500 people.

I can wait.

:)

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:confused:

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NOT FUNNY at all !!!

Read the Daily Record then.

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I know New Liebour brought it in,IDS/Cameron could have got rid of it but they will......eventually.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

you cannot make outrageous claims like that without providing some credible evidence ,that's just disgraceful scaremongering :rolleyes:

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Who is joking, think they give a toss, think again.

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Oh look more none proven bull excreta :rolleyes:

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Ah, well there's your problem. The Mirror for Clydeside lefties.

I'd rather not, thanks.

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My doctor told me a couple of years ago, when i was claiming ESA, that the DWP will not accept her opinions on some medical conditions because she only treated and viewed me in an "office environment" at her surgery. They had no problem accepting the opinion of the ATOS employed nurse who only saw me in her "office environment" at their medical centre though. Strange that. But ATOS did use their "logic integrated medical assessment" which is probably what clinched it....

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My GP was told that as he had no speciality in my condition his opinion wasn't relevant to the claim despite the fact his area of speciality is rheumatism and my condition is acceptably placed into that specialisation. Atos has nothing to do with medical truth or affect of condition they are about finding reasons to move people off medical benefits.

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Not really,the wife buys it,I only read it,as for 'Better Together,' on yer bike laddie.

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The union is going nowhere, by bicycle or by any other means. ;)

The Record is a separatist rag, sounds like you're reading it too closely.

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I took two inch thick reports from different consultants detailing my various physical conditions(with cover notes) along with a detailed statement from both my lead physiologist and my case nurse.

With this i held over a letter from my doctors office confirming all the medication i take on a daily basis that causes me rather severe side effects. And after the ATOS doctor gave me a 30 second exam that at most got me to raise my arms to shoulder level only. Can you guess how many point she gave me this time ?

Yipp that's right a big fat zero. Strange as not a year before i was awarded i think about close to the maximum points and my conditions have got much worse since then.

Of course i challenged this and at the tribunal right before i went in the room my CAB rep and the clerk of the court told me it should take about a hour or so. About ten minutes into the interview after the doctor had read my notes she asked me a few questions and then asked me to wait outside. No more that thirty seconds later my CAB rep came out shook my hand and told me that i had won my appeal.

With the door open we both over heard both the doctor and judge criticize ATOS and the current government on how this it a total waste of tax payers money. And how my case should have never been allowed to get this far.

My rep said that in all the appeals he has gone to. This was the quickest he's ever seen and now he's got nothing to do for the next hour and a half. I felt kinda guilty about this and made a mental note to send him and the others in the CAB office a thank you card and a massive box of chocs.

A few weeks later when my backdated benefits were paid to me i did hand in the chocs along with a thank you card. A few days later they send me a card back wishing me well in the future.

So a huge thanks goes out to CAB and an even bigger f**k you to atos and the government.

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Did you supply all that info with the ESA50 form?

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This website is excellent for anyone in need of help v Atos.

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/emp...port-allowance

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Roughly 14 inches away.

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While some of the information they provide is good I don't think they should profit from providing it. I think people go to places like the cab where such info is free.

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Cab is only as good as the volunteers running it, some are amazing others not so good, my advice would be to visit several offices.

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CAB is brilliant but since Atos started they have been over run with work.

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Everything apart from one consultants report that only reached me a week or so before the ATOS interview. Personally i think no matter what information one hands over to the dwp they have been instructed to send all but the most severely disabled to ATOS interviews by the government.

After all why spend millions on a private firm and not use them, that would be a waist of tax payers money right ? :)

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The latest smear campaign has just been released.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rage-work.html

What a nasty piece of work from the British Social Attitudes Survey / Mail. But it'll add fuel to the fire of the all the scroungers out there.

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I do agree though that "some" get to much. A single person on JSA gets very little but a baby machine with 5 kids gets way to much and will not be better off working even with the universal credit

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HHHmmm Natalie and I would be financially better off if she gave up work and looked after me at home.

Unfortunately what with one thing and another it looks like we are going to have to take that step at some point this year.

I do wonder if that means that I / we/ would be getting 'too much' benefits.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

I know people who are no better off working so they dont

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anyone judging you harshly will not know your circumstances so screw them

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Exactly as many are very quick to make ignorant and ill informed presumptions about people without knowing the full circumstances about their disabilitities and illnesses.

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I agree there are some circumstances were it can be acceptable to say it can be too much money. Just ESA Support with DLA could be close to £1k a month alone (though won't be eligibility for anything else like C.Tax & HB). But from that report its basing it on the jobless / JSA only claiments so it reads like people think £71 a week is now too much.

And the funny thing is I'm sure that there are people that are getting close to £1k a month would just accept half of that if it means more security because of the ever moving goal posts which means people live under the threat of losing everything.

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I tried to help a guy yesterday who had been sanction for not doing the jobsearch correctly. He kept on telling them he is no good with computers but they insisted he had to do it online. He come here with the website details an email address and password none of which allowed access to the job site or his email so they did not even give him usable information

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Had to help someone in the same way last week. The guy is very simple in a special way and has never used a computer but they expected him to create an email address, login to a gov website, search for jobs and fill in forms on the site and upload/attach his cv. He has no computer so he was told to it at the library. No way in hell he could have done it himself and they told him its the only way to do it or he loses his money. Unbelievable.

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Both of those instances are completely inappropriate behaviours on behalf of the Job Centre - they should complain.

The JSA website states if you can't do it online, you can do it by phone - this advice should have been passed on. https://www.gov.uk/contact-jobcentre-plus

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I would not like to do the JSA peoples job, the amount of crap that they get is unduly called for. There are the professional shysters out there that never want to work and give the descent people who are genuinely wanting to work a bad name.

I say lets put these time-wasters to picking up litter and graffiti removal to work for their benefits (with travel expenses paid). How do we know who they are.. the JSA people do with their records. Lets give these type of people a purpose in life.

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It's like anywhere you do get silly people. I have had run ins with the job centre over computers before.

You can't sign on until you've used the job search pods

But I can't see them!

It's not my problem you have to use them before you can sign on.

..........

I did sort them out in the end but I just think all places could do with educating sometimes.

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I don't think records help, the people who knowhow can get round records so they show what they want. There are plenty of sites that help with this.

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In theory a good idea (especially with having expenses paid) but there's only so much litter-picking and graffiti-removal in some areas. I'd rather leave that to criminals on Community Payback.

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cheers :)

That is where I was yesterday but none of the log in details I was given work. He is asking Thursday

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Universal Credit plan is branded 'unrealistic'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...taxpayers.html

IDS is expected to say this is all lies and everything is hunky-dory and will continue without a hitch. - [Edit] Oh IDS on tv now, yep I was right, he's now saying everything everything is going fine and will not take any criticism and he's fully in control. What a plonker. He doesn't have a clue (no change there then).

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This will just get written off here ( like the 35 mill worth of written off equipment) due to the facts its in the Mail

Lets have a BBC link to satisfy all lol http://bbb-news.com/blog/2013/09/04/...-to-taxpayers/

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Funnily enough this part of the report hasn't made the headlines.

A government IT system that's wasted £34 million? Bad but nowhere near as bad as the previous administrations IT disasters. £2.8 Billion on the tax credit scheme and £13 Billion on the NHS computer system.

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Derek just because Labour lost money is not a get off free for the Tories.,add the 34 million to the 11 billion in aid and the 30+ billion on a railway no one really wants shows the Tories are not really doing that well either

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It's not a get off free card but people should have a little perspective and balance.

The headline makes it out that the whole scheme is doomed and should be scrapped but the report as a whole says nothing like that.

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the 2017 date is unrealistic. And they also said it is going to increase in cost.

You might be able to right of 34 mill with perspective and balance but how about this perspective its 340 houses which could house 340 families possibly over 1000 people

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And this is his response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23978332

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

It's been flawed since day one.

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The main problem according to the official NAO report is that

In other words they(civil servants running the show) only reported good news and didn't tell anyone when something needed changing .IDS sorted that out back in 2012 by replacing most of the management team .If he is guilty of anything it is not keeping a closer eye on the monkeys actually developing the system


Of course one thing all you naysayers are forgetting is that if Blair/Brown and the rest of the dimwits hadn't given benefits out like confetti then there would be no need for a universal credit system

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there hasn't been a day one yet ,still another 4.5yrs to go until full roll out

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And Thatcher's government made it easy and attractive for the unemployed to go on the sick. What difference does it make if the last government cocked things up? its not an excuse for this one to.

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So now you are complaining because a Tory PM made it EASIER for sick people to claim benefits and took SICK people of the dole ,confusing or what .

Nothing has been cocked up yet because the system has not been developed and rolled out ,don't forget that the entire welfare system is being redesigned which is no easy task ,a hell of a lot more complicated than it was back during it's inception

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not complaining just highlighting the pointless last government did this and so on is

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not pointless at all .It seems to be recurring issue with labour .After the mess they left is it surprising that the fix will take so long and be so complicated

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What happens to the people who are employed to pick up litter, they loose their jobs?

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Not really as there is so much rubbish lying around and there is loads of stuff to recycle, which we are very poor at.

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But councils and such are not going to carry on paying employees to do the same job that they can get done for free.