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sky got a history of overcharging proved by Ofcom so it don't take much working out who wrong in this does it plus look at the price of skysports on nowtv £9.99 a day tells you all you need to know about them overcharging
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Yes I have already said that Skysports on Now TV should be around £5 a day max. But if they made it too cheap, people would cancel SkySports in their droves on both Sky and VM. So to them it's a reasonable price to charge without loosing too much subs. |
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I've no idea if SA has been offered to other platforms, last article I could see was from 2 years ago again and Sky hadn't offered SmallWorld it. Has it been offered out recently? And please don't let the facts get in the way that indeed you are just talking about costs of a channel that you have actually no idea what the cost was/is/could be. |
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Of course l have no idea what exactly they were asking for but you don't have to be Einstein to deduct that they are asking way too much for it thus this is why it still remains only on Sky's platform unless you have know something Paul that we don't know.:)
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Unconfirmed: Discovery Real Time Channels set to close on April 30th.
I have just been looking up Wikipedia it says that Real Time broadcasts on BT Vision Channel 875. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Real_Time But TLC website has confirmed that TLC will be on BT Vision Channel 875 from April 30th. http://www.uk.tlc.com/?gclid=CLn17P36wrYCFdDKtAod9FwAPw |
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But as you don't know the fee, you are just assuming it is.. and until someone provides a figure (and even then it might still be debatable its too high), then no one knows. When was the last time any official information came from Sky/VM regarding Sky Atlantic apart from the articles over 2 years ago? Has it been offered to Smallworld and other providers? |
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Yes it is indeed a assumption but thus many others share exactly the same sentiment thus l don't think we are far from the truth on this matter Paul.
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If Bt could sort out a decent set top box, perhaps with 3 tuners like Virgin. Their offering with Infinity BB and BT Sport could become attractive. And they could certainly price it so, should they wish to.
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No other provider has Atlantic.
Sky freely admit that they use Atlantic as an exclusive to attract people to their service. What more evidence do you need? I think that negotiations never really ended between VM and Sky over Atlantic; I suspect it's a not too frequent but on going discussion, though this is supposition on my part and may not be correct. I do think there will come a time when the price is right for both parties and I do think that when Atlantic launches on Now TV, that will change the Dynamic. At that point Sky will no longer be using it as an exclusive to draw people to a Sky satellite subscription. So Sky may calculate that they will get more from a constant fixed revenue from VM than from the number of VM users that decide to subscribe to Now TV just for Atlantic content. |
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I agree that the suggestion that the price is unreasonable is an assumption, but I really do believe that the available evidence points to it being a fair one. |
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Is Sky Atlantic going on to Now TV then?
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Its a simple equation for Berkett. Will the new customer attraction and reduction in churn cover the cost of taking the channel. The answer appears to be no as they are still attracting new custom even though they don't carry it.
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What we don't know is how they will give access to Atlantic. It could be the whole channel, just individual series, seasons and episodes or one big entertainment package including all or several of the channels that Sky broadcast on satellite. |
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I think it will be a small channel bundle along the lines of Sky Basics.
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This is why I don't get why VM Customers are waiting for Now TV, seen as they can access Atlantic with a Sky Go Monthly Pass |
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Should be included in the £7 sky HD premium me thinks
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If they put it in HD pack it could maybe increase premium take up and could still advertise it on sky as only available in a basic pack
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It is clearly not a "basic" channel. If you read my post properly you will see that I used the term "ridiculously high price" which £20 clearly is. My point for the £20 charge is that Sky see SA as a way of retaining/gaining subscriptions. If people do not wish to deal directly with Sky, then Sky could get roughly the same amount of money from VM customers as they would from new subscribers. :rolleyes::rolleyes: If it is such a "basic" channel why does no-one else have it? It is clearly a "basic" channel for Sky customers and a premium channel for non-Sky subscribers and as such no other suppliers can afford it. ---------- Post added at 22:23 ---------- Previous post was at 22:21 ---------- Quote:
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So what would be a reasonable price for Virgin to pay SKY for SKY Atlantic?
In 2008 Virgin and SKY agreed a new carriage of "basic" channels covering Sky1, Sky2, Sky3, Sky News, Sky Sports News, Sky Arts 1, Sky Arts 2, Sky Real Lives and Sky Real Lives 2. That is a total of 9 channels. The deal, according to The Guardian, cost Virgin up to £38 million per year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...ss?INTCMP=SRCH http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...ments-117.aspx So under that carriage deal Virgin where paying roughly up to £4.2 million per channel annually. I however suspect that would not have been the exact rate per channel. SKY 1 probably cost more than SKY Real Lives 2 annually for example. Another thing to remember is none of these channels where in HD and none of the content was available on demand or catch up. The deal was also agreed 6 years ago when the VIP package was only £85 per month compared to the £114 per month it is now. That is a 34% increase. We have seen significant inflation in the TV market accross the board regardless of TV provider. The Premiership football rights are getting out of control. SKY signed a 5 year deal with HBO costing a total of £150m, or £30m per year. This of course doesn't include the rights to other shows SKY pick up from Showtime, FOX etc... In terms of their deal with HBO, home grown content and other material SKY must be spending about £40m annually on content and running the channel give or take a few million. If Virgin and SKY agreed roughly up to £4.2 million annually for the likes of SKY 3 and SKY News 6 years ago, what would a realistic price be for SKY Atlantic now? If Virgin want SKY Atlantic, SKY Atlantic HD, SKY Atlantic on demand, SKY Atlantic catch up and access via Virgin Anywhere it's going to be a high price surely. Once you take inflation into consideration and SKY's running costs for the channel, and even an exclusive deal to keep it off BT, it would have to be between £8 million and £11 million annually? SKY might be asking for even more. If SKY are investing potentially £40 million into the channel each year, they might not want to give another provider like Virgin or BT access cheaply. When SKY and Virgin agreed the new carriage deal for SKY basics channels in 2008, they also agreed a new deal for Virgins channels being Living, Living 2, Bravo, Bravo 2, Trouble, Challenge and Virgin 1. Both new carriage deals cost both companies virtually the same. Both brought their basic channels to the table and agreed a deal that left neither really better or worse off financially. Both pretty much got out what they put in. Virgin now have nothing to bring to the table. |
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It's simply what makes sense from a commercial point of view for both companies , Sky see the channel as a driver for subscriptions and as such probably want a good enough offer to make it worth while in losing exclusivity , VM on the other hand want to add the channel at a reasonable rate what they feel represents true value for money for its tv subscribers and personally I don't blame there stance I'm sure many would complain if it was added and subs increased more than the norm.
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Prices currently for non sky subscribers; Entertainment Only - £15.00 (£13.00 extra if you want ESPN) Entertainment and Movies - £32.00 (£13.00 extra for ESPN) Entertainment and Sport - £35.00 (£10 for ESPN) Entertainment + Sport + Movies - £40.00 (£10 for ESPN) The idea of Now TV is that you can get Movies on its own without the need for an entertainment subscription (to challenge Netflix & LoveFilm). Sky Sports Day Pass (£9.99 on Now TV) is to target people who want to watch only 1 sports game, and nothing else. Now TV is also to create a non Sky branded platform which can appeal to those who don't do their research and don't want to pay Murdoch a penny. |
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It's quite heavily marketed as Now TV powered by Sky. I don't think they're trying to disassociate themselves at all.
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If you're tempted by Sky Go, remember it doesn't output through HDMI from iPads or mobiles. And the picture quality is pretty ropey SD. And you can't record.
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April List update.
Keep up-to-date on the latest news on upcoming channel launches and other important events across all platforms of Virgin TV network. NOTE: I do not work for Virgin Media so all the information on this list is subject to change. Colours on my list are as followed: Media Boy = New Info just added. Media Boy = Virgin Media News and links. Media Boy = Other Media news/Things. === Coming up on Virgin's Digital TV === === Rumour to be Launching very soon === -The Active Channel to launch on Virgin Media soon. -Animal Planet HD will launch on Virgin Channel 217 on the XL HD Pack Soon. -E! Entertainment HD to launch on Virgin Media soon. -Universal HD to launch on Virgin Media soon. -Create & Craft may launch on Virgin Channel 748. === April === 15th. Sky Arts Rieu will be rebranded as Sky Arts 2 on Virgin Channel 283. 15th. Sky Arts Rieu HD will be rebranded as Sky Arts 2 HD on Virgin Channel 284. 30th. TLC to launch on Virgin Channel 167 today. 30th. TLC HD to launch on Virgin Channel ??? today. 30th. S4C to move from Virgin Channel 167 to Virgin Channel ??? today. 30th. Discovery RealTime may close on Virgin Channel 271 today. 30th. Discovery RealTime +1 may close on Virgin Channel 272 today. === May === 4th. Military History will be rebranded as H2 on Virgin Channel 236. 22nd. The Competition Commission will publish its final report by today on the Global Radio & GMG Radio takeover. === June === No News... === By end of June === -Liberty Global hope to close the transaction of Virgin Media. === July === 31st. BT will takeover ESPN, ESPN HD and ESPN America on Virgin Channels 529, 530 and 531 from Today. 31st. ESPN to close ESPN Classic on Virgin Channel 533 by Today. === Summer === -FT.com says BT and Virgin Media are in talks over up to THREE BT Sports Channels launching on Virgin Media. === August === No News... === September === No News... === October === No News... === November === -Made in Leeds will launch on Virgin Media sometime this month. === December === No News... === By 2015 === -RTE Radio and WRN Radio will be axe in old Telewest areas or added to all areas of Virgin Media. === Unknown dates === -'Seven' will be rebranded as Lincolnshire Living on Virgin Channel 879 (Grimsby & Scunthorpe only). -I have been told that Virgin Media are in talks with Sky to carry 'Sky Atlantic SD', 'Sky News HD' and 'Sky Sports News HD'. -Local TV may launch on Virgin TV in some areas in Virgin Channels 600 mark (Starting in Late 2013). -The BBC to axe BBC Radio 4 LW on Virgin Channel 911 ''in the long term''. -UKTV on Demand may also launch on Virgin on Demand. -Channel 4's ''4oD'' will offer HD content. -Smooth fm (Smooth Radio) may get close or rebranded on Virgin Channel 916. -Fashion One 'In talks with Virgin Media'. -Sony Movies may launch soon on Virgin Media. === Channels THAT still to appear in all areas === List was last updated on December 1st 2010. NO. Channel Name 917. Radio: RTE Radio 920. Radio: WRN Europe NOTE: Channels are only broadcasting in Ex-Telewest areas right now. === Media Boy Extra info: === Media Boy Blog - For all things Virgin TV - http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/ See Virgin Media on ''twitter'' here - http://twitter.com/virginmedia See Nialli's blog on Virgin Media High Definition & TiVo Services here - http://vmhd.blogspot.com/ Latest news on Freeview - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post35353580 === Ask Media Boy === Last updated March 14th 2013. Q: WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT VIRGIN MEDIA FROM? A: I get all my info from Virgin Media viewers and Web Sites (NOTE: When I used web sites I will post an link to that web site). Q: WILL I NEED TO WATCH MY DISNEY CINEMAGIC PROGRAMMES ON MY V+ OR TIVO BOX BY MARCH 27TH? A: No Virgin Media viewers have until June 28th to watch recorded Disney Cinemagic programmes. Q: WHY AM I NOT GETTING ''RTE RADIO'' OR ''WRN RADIO'' FOR? A: RTE Radio and WRN Radio do not broadcast in Ex-ntl and Ex-Cable & Wireless areas - yet. ==== Virgin Media's Deals with broadcasters === List last updated on April 12th 2013. Welcome to the all new look of this part of the list. When deals with broadcasters run out Virgin Media need to sign new one to keep that Channel on Virgin TV. Here is an list of channel that Virgin may get when they old deal runs out with that broadcaster: Also Radio channels are broadcasting on Digital Radio via Freesat, Freeview, Freesat from Sky or Sky. NOTE: Shopping Channels are not on this list and only Broadcasts who has got some Channels broadcasting on Virgin Media right now appeared on this list. To start broadcasting soon = That channel has still to start broadcasting on Sky, Freesat or Freeview. === TV and Radio Channels: === === Own by A+E Networks UK (A&E Television Networks/British Sky Broadcasting) === -Bio. +1 -Crime & Investigation Network HD -Crime & Investigation Network +1 -HISTORY HD -HISTORY +1 -Lifetime (May launch in 2013.) === Own by ARY Group === -ARY Qtv -ARY Oneworld -ARY Entertainment === Own by BET International Inc (Viacom) === -BET: Black Ent Tv -BET: Black Ent Tv +1 === Own by British Sky Broadcasting === -Pick TV +1 -Sky1 +1 -Sky 3D -Sky Atlantic -Sky Atlantic +1 -Sky Atlantic HD -Sky News HD -Sky Sports F1 HD -Sky Sports 3 HD -Sky Sports 4 HD -Sky Sports News HD === Own by British Telecommunications Plc === -BT Sports 1 (To launch in UK and Ireland in Summer 2013.) -BT Sports 1 HD (To launch in UK and Ireland in Summer 2013.) -BT Sports 2 (To launch in UK and Ireland in Summer 2013.) -BT Sports 2 HD (To launch in UK and Ireland in Summer 2013.) -ESPN America HD (Will be owned by BT from August 1st 2013.) -Sailing 1 -Sailing 2 === Own by CBS Chellozone UK Channels Partnership === -CBS Reality +1 -Horror +1 === Own by Channel Four Television Corporation === -More 4 HD === Own by CSC Media Group === -Bliss -BuzMuzik -Chart Show TV -Chart Show TV Dance -Flava -Kix! -POP -Pop Girl -Pop Girl +1 -Scuzz -The Vault -Tiny Pop +1 === Own by Discovery Networks Western Europe === -DMAX +2 -Investigation Discovery +1 (Soon to start broadcasting). -TLC + 1 (Soon to start broadcasting). === Own by Disney-ABC Television Group === -Disney Channel HD -Disney Junior + -Disney Junior HD -Disney XD HD === Own by Entertainment Networks (UK) Limited (Sony Pictures Television) === -More Than Movies -More Than Movies +1 -Movies 4 Men -Movies 4 Men +1 === Own by ESPN Inc. (until July 31st 2013) === -ESPN America HD === Own by Fox International Channels (News Corporation) === -FOX +1 === Own by Global Radio === -Capital FM TV -Heart FM TV === Own by Moving Movies Ltd. (CSC Media Group) === -True Drama (Soon to start broadcasting). -True Entertainment +1 -True Movies 2 === Own by MTV Networks Europe === -MTV CLASSIC -MTV HD -MTV LIVE -MTV MUSIC -MTV +1 === Own by Multi Screen Media (Sony Pictures Television) === -Sahara One === Own by NGC-UK Partnership (National Geographic Society/Fox International Channels) === -Nat Wild HD === Own by Nickelodeon UK (MTV Networks Europe/British Sky Broadcasting) === -Nickelodeon HD -Nick Jr. +1 === Own by Paramount UK Partnership (Paramount British Pictures/British Sky Broadcasting) === -Comedy Central Extra +1 === Own by Premier Media === -Premier Sports -Premier Sports Xtra === Own by RTE === -RTE 2fm -RTE lyric fm -RTE Radio 1 (Broadcasts in Ex-Telewest areas right now). -RTE Radio na Gaeltachta === Own by Real & Smooth Ltd [Was GMG Radio] (Global Radio) === -Real Radio Wales -Smooth 70s === Own by Scripps Networks Interactive === -Food Network -Food Network +1 -Travel Channel -Travel Channel +1 === Own by Sony Pictures Television === -Sony Entertainment Television +1 -Sony Movie Channel -Sony Movie Channel +1 === Own by STAR TV (News Corporation) === -STAR Jalsha -STAR Plus HD === Own by Sunrise Radio Group === -Kismat Radio -Punjabi Radio === Own by TIML Radio Limited === -Absolute 90s === Own by United Christian Broadcasters === -UCB TV -UCB Bible -UCB Gospel -UCB Inspiration -UCB Ireland === Own by Universal Networks International === -E! HD* -Universal Channel HD* *ALL CHANNELS OWN BY UNIVERSAL NETWORKS INTERNATIONAL ALL MAY LAUNCH ON VIRIGN MEDIA SOON. === Own by Zee Entertainment Enterprises === -ZEE Cafe -Zing ==== See you later === List last updated on April 4th 2013. Next update: Later in April - But not until: A) If Virgin are set to launch more than TWO channels (TV or Radio) on Virgin TV. B) If Virgin are set to move more than TWO channels (TV or Radio) about on Virgin TV. C) If Virgin are set to close or repackage more then TWO channels (TV or Radio ) on Virgin TV. Did I miss anything??? If I did tell me and it will appear on the next update. ©copyright 2013 Media Boy 2006 - 2013. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production. UPDATED LIST WITH INFO THAT I FOUND ON THURSDAY (APRIL 11TH) THAT DISCOVERY REALTIME CHANNELS MAY CLOSE ON APRIL 30TH FOR TLC CHANNELS TO LAUNCH. FOR MORE INFO GO TO http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...real-time.html |
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Still don't know how they have enough programming to fill Quest, DMAX, Travel & Living, Home & Health plus TLC.
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You don't normally have to utilise a barter system to get the service you want. Adding VM viewers would help to make the channel viable through increased subscription money and advertising. I have said it before, as they are hogging the content as exclusive to the channel, they should make the channel freely available at a wholesale price. Sky might think that the channel attracts subscribers because SA is a unique selling point, but they have not taken into account the number of people who are totally turned off by their attitude and practices and would not touch Sky with a barge pole if they can help it. A more civilised approach to business might well win them more customers. |
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To answer two questions.1) IF VM offered a package of channels including BT Sports, Premier Sports channel along with say Atlantic and a couple more than l would not mind paying an extra couple of quid, as if you think you will get THREE channels with BT.
2) VM were offered Atlantic, BUT they wouldn't Sky's price, and yet they have got some crap channels such as Africa Channel etc. Its US the customer at the end of the day that will end up paying for these channels, and l think personally that VM know that members on here won't pay any extra - so thats it. I have a saying - you can't get anything for nothing. |
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What's the point of this forum lots of posts not relevant to the topic seems to be get it off ure chest forum simply if u don't like ure provider then either cancel or move. Only post I now look for is media boy which deals ith reality
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Andy m think ure missing the point forum is what is coming next !!!!! It seems to be sky Atlantic issue as I've said very simple if u want SA and channels that Vm don't have move to Sky not rocket science
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Any sign of a 3D channel coming to VM, BBC seem to showing the odd program although I'm not sure through what media? Sky have their channels, wondering if rumor mill might point to 3d channel coming our way.
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It's not a life or death situation u decide on what is best for you
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But people like having a bit of a chat about it...
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Is there a change list for on demand tv shows virgin have or do they rarely ever change?? i've not noticed anything change for a while on there.
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3D tv is slowly dying a death...
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People do, and the vast majority on this thread have chosen cable because overall it is the best for them. Why should that prevent them from discussing the missing parts of the service that they would like added? |
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MB; any more news on these channels launching? Thanks in advance :)
The Active Channel Animal Planet HD E! Entertainment HD Universal HD Create & Craft |
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Hopefully the next month should bring these to a TV near you John.
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I find that I need HD for sports...but for movies and entertainment shows...standard is fine
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Nope I rarely watch SD channels now due to them looking crap after being spoiled with HD on my big telly.
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