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Russ 15-05-2013 14:09
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Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ual-abuse-race

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A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.

The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion."
Firstly I don't accept anybody's religion or beliefs being part of this so it's annoying that they keep being referred to by some as 'Muslim' gangs. But the point he makes is an interesting one. The girls involved are out mostly at night in areas with taxis, take-aways etc and these jobs feature more Asian than non-white men.

OK I can accept that as a possible explanation of why there aren't any gangs of white men ending up in court on these crimes.

But it still shows that race plays a part in all this however for as long as authorities place 'community cohesiveness' as a higher priority we won't see a reduction in this any time soon.

nomadking 15-05-2013 15:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35572282)
Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ual-abuse-race



Firstly I don't accept anybody's religion or beliefs being part of this so it's annoying that they keep being referred to by some as 'Muslim' gangs. But the point he makes is an interesting one. The girls involved are out mostly at night in areas with taxis, take-aways etc and these jobs feature more Asian than non-white men. In this Oxford case, there wasn't a business that it was based around.

OK I can accept that as a possible explanation of why there aren't any gangs of white men ending up in court on these crimes.

But it still shows that race plays a part in all this however for as long as authorities place 'community cohesiveness' as a higher priority we won't see a reduction in this any time soon.
How likely are you going to see a gang based around the likes of a MacDonald's or a Burger King? Even if you try to use the notion of "Muslim" only businesses having access, it still doesn't begin to explain having sex with 11 YEAR OLDS and definitely doesn't come anywhere close to explaining the violent and degrading way they were treated.:mad: They not only had to find others to form a gang, but other 'customers' around the town/city and country. Even convicted sex offenders who have been jailed alongside other sex offenders and so have contacts, might find that difficult.

Osem 21-05-2013 20:06
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Police are investigating 54 alleged gangs in a crackdown on child grooming in England and Wales, peers have heard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22617339

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Raising the spate of recent convictions, Lord Morris said: "Is it collective amnesia that has blinded us to the underlying circumstances, whereby at least 27 police forces are investigating 54 alleged child grooming gangs?

"Why has investigating and prosecuting in so many different parts of the country taken so much time?

"Is it the fear of racialism, or is it the fact that many of these vulnerable girls come from care homes?"
It'll be interesting to find out.

Stuart 22-05-2013 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35572282)
Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ual-abuse-race



Firstly I don't accept anybody's religion or beliefs being part of this so it's annoying that they keep being referred to by some as 'Muslim' gangs. But the point he makes is an interesting one. The girls involved are out mostly at night in areas with taxis, take-aways etc and these jobs feature more Asian than non-white men.

OK I can accept that as a possible explanation of why there aren't any gangs of white men ending up in court on these crimes.

But it still shows that race plays a part in all this however for as long as authorities place 'community cohesiveness' as a higher priority we won't see a reduction in this any time soon.
I think part of the problem is that people see other people are a certain colour and think "Hmm, Muslim". Totally ignoring the fact that while Islam is probably the biggest religion in the East, it's certainly not the only one. That is, of course, assuming the people in question follow a religion.

Osem 22-05-2013 11:16
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35574387)
I think part of the problem is that people see other people are a certain colour and think "Hmm, Muslim". Totally ignoring the fact that while Islam is probably the biggest religion in the East, it's certainly not the only one. That is, of course, assuming the people in question follow a religion.
... and there are plenty of people who pick and choose which bits of their 'religion' they follow.

nomadking 22-05-2013 23:47
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Another week and yet another case.
Link
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A young girl was repeatedly raped and sexually abused by 10 friends over a five-year period, a court has heard.
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There are 44 charges against 10 defendants but the complainant told detectives she was also forced to have sex with several other men who are not on trial.
The court heard that on 29 October 2011 Iblal Fiaz drove her to a hotel and dropped her off with an unknown man who raped her.
Despite bleeding, she was then raped by two other men, the prosecutor said, Mudassar Hussain, 19, and Jubroin Khan, 21.

Russ 22-05-2013 23:51
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Nothing racial in this one either presumably.

spreadsheet 22-05-2013 23:51
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Blair and his multiculturalsim

how we are all enriched

Russ 10-06-2013 05:42
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http://news.sky.com/story/1101483/gr...gangs-do-exist

I think we all knew this and now it's finally getting some acknowledgement.

Osem 10-06-2013 08:35
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An inconvenient truth methinks.

Russ 10-06-2013 09:10
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When listening to certain groups discuss this I get the feeling they almost wish for a group of white British men to get caught as a sex gang just to try to 'balance' it out.

Damien 10-06-2013 09:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35582125)
When listening to certain groups discuss this I get the feeling they almost wish for a group of white British men to get caught as a sex gang just to try to 'balance' it out.

Well there have been groups of white men arrested before...

Russ 10-06-2013 09:36
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Has there been enough evidence to prosecute them in court?

Osem 10-06-2013 09:41
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The central issue here remains that these groups targeted exclusively girls from outside their communities. Whilst some people within those communities have been brave enough to admit that, it seems some people in authority didn't want to 'stir up trouble' by exposing it. In so doing they've done more harm than good to community relations.

Russ 10-06-2013 09:48
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35582134)
The central issue here remains that these groups targeted exclusively girls from outside their communities. Whilst some people within those communities have been brave enough to admit that, it seems some people in authority didn't want to 'stir up trouble' by exposing it. In so doing they've done more harm than good to community relations.
This is what I think the problem is. The authorities seem to feel that 'community cohesion' takes priority.

Osem 10-06-2013 10:04
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It may not even be the whole truth, but it's clear to me that the wider public perception is along those lines and thus far the authorities have done very little to change that view by failing to adequately explain their 'rationale'.

These crimes are horrific in any community and need to be exposed and punished wherever they arise from and whoever the victims are, even if doing that sometimes means treading on the toes of the PC brigade.

nomadking 10-06-2013 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582130)
Well there have been groups of white men arrested before...
Oh dear, trying to avoid the issues are we.:mad:

1) There are not many 'white' gangs. It is mainly individuals acting alone.
2) Where there are, they have to search far and wide, eg using internet, to find others. They can't simply ask the person next to them as the "Asian' gangs seem to be able to do.
3) They tend to only be interested in sexual gratification. the 'Asian' gangs go way beyond that with their behaviour.
4) The 'asian' gangs pass them around to MANY others around the country. Those others DON'T appear in the figures and therefore the %age of 'Asian' involvement is significantly under represented. Eg if there are 9 others('customers') for each of those convicted, then the actual figures would be out by a factor of 10. If the 'customer'-organiser ratio is higher, then the figures are out by even more.

Their actions go way beyond just sexual gratification and yet they had no problem finding others willing to take part in their gang or be "customers". How many people would consider it that easy to find others in their circle (ie family, work, friends) to take part or not report them to the police. What does that say about their circle of family, work colleagues and friends? It suggests a very high percentage of people in their circle are willing to take part and just need somebody else to approach them with the idea. EXTREMELY SCARY.

Damien 10-06-2013 13:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35582189)
Oh dear, trying to avoid the issues are we.:mad:
No, Just pointing out that there had been. Calm Down.

Russ 10-06-2013 14:01
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582197)
No, Just pointing out that there had been. Calm Down.
Can you find links to such cases? I'm not saying there haven't been any by the way.

nomadking 10-06-2013 14:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582197)
No, Just pointing out that there had been. Calm Down.
White 'gangs' acting in this manner?
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Many of the seven men worked for or had connections with fast-food restaurants across Telford and some of the girls were sold for sex to workers.
The men were all arrested as part of West Mercia Police's Operation Chalice. Officers said the total number of girls targeted between 2007 and 2009 could be above 100.
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An Old Bailey jury heard six girls were drugged and suffered sadistic abuse while aged between 11 and 15. The court heard victims were plied with alcohol and drugs before being forced to perform sex acts. Some had also been beaten, burnt and threatened.
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Some of the girls were beaten and forced to have sex with "several men in a day, several times a week", the jury was told. One teenager told the jury she was forced to have sex with 20 men in one night.
Another recalled being raped by two men while she was "so drunk she was vomiting over the side of the bed".

Damien 10-06-2013 14:24
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35582211)
Can you find links to such cases? I'm not saying there haven't been any by the way.
I don't really want to search for it but there was the case of the female nursery worker and a man she met over the net. There are currently cases coming out from former childrens homes and so on.

Russ 10-06-2013 14:26
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582222)
I don't really want to search for it but there was the case of the female nursery worker and a man she met over the net. There are currently cases coming out from former childrens homes and so on.
That's a pretty poor effort and hardly a 'gang'. Completely different methods too. Not saying one is better or worse than the other but some very distinct differences.

Damien 10-06-2013 14:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35582225)
That's a pretty poor effort and hardly a 'gang'. Completely different methods too. Not saying one is better or worse than the other but some very distinct differences.
It's a group of people conspiring to abuse. There are differences in how they go about it obviously but the fundamental problem is the same.

nomadking 10-06-2013 14:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582222)
I don't really want to search for it but there was the case of the female nursery worker and a man she met over the net. There are currently cases coming out from former childrens homes and so on.
Persuading somebody over the internet, suggests that willing participants amongst that group are rare, ie can't ask somebody next door. Children's home type activity will be one of 2 things. People taking a job there in order to abuse or only developing an interest they didn't have before, because they are surrounded by kids.

Link
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A teenager facing a life sentence today for raping an 11-year-old girl as she made her way home from school had a 'sexual interest in very young white girls' and had attacked another before, it can be revealed today.
...
Rosina Cottage QC, prosecuting, said: "Jaji is interested in little girls and sexual acts with little girls."
Jaji was arrested a few days later after CCTV was viewed and his bedroom was searched.
A book was found about a little girl being sexually assaulted, along with ads for child care vacancies and a picture of a girl in Australia.

Russ 10-06-2013 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582226)
It's a group of people conspiring to abuse. There are differences in how they go about it obviously but the fundamental problem is the same.
Nobody is saying white British people don't abuse children. But are you honestly suggesting there is isn't a significant different between one case involving 3 individual people spread around the country, and groups of 5-8 men in their own communities? Especially with there being cases brought to court on a regular basis?

Damien 10-06-2013 15:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35582244)
Nobody is saying white British people don't abuse children. But are you honestly suggesting there is isn't a significant different between one case involving 3 individual people spread around the country, and groups of 5-8 men in their own communities? Especially with there being cases brought to court on a regular basis?
I think there is a difference in how they go about their abuse obviously. It will be important to examine why it's happens like that. I don't think it's any worse than three people meeting over the Internet however. Which is why I responded to your initial post about your impression that some people wanted a white gang to be caught to 'balance it out'.

Russ 10-06-2013 15:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35582249)
It will be important to examine why it's happens like that.
This is the crux of the matter. When there are repeated similarities between certain crimes I've always thought the authorities would aim their resources at the common denominator. So for the life of me I cannot understand why the Asian element is not acknowledged more. Yes they target vulnerable girls but so do any sex criminals usually, especially when the victims are under 16.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you do a google for "sex gang in court" you just don't find any involving the gang members being white British. Again I'll never be so stupid as to suggest it doesn't happen but this overwhelmingly common denominator stands out a mile.

Hugh 10-06-2013 22:38
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Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-takes-root

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By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it.....

.....In fact, Penzance had not just one paedophile, but a gang of four. They abused 28 girls, some as young as five, and were finally convicted two years ago. All were white.

Russ 10-06-2013 22:49
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While certainly enlightening, I find it curious that this is just one report from almost a year ago. The number of Asian sex gangs still certainly seem to outweigh the number of whites.

Pierre 10-06-2013 23:16
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FFS, this story was wheeled out ages ago.

Read it, in fact read the clip you posted.

Quote:
And though they were not working as a gang,
Clue is there, these are several isolated cases, albeit in the same town, but not an organised ring or gang.

This story was written by an apologist trying put the point across that we're picking on the Asian community, and that there are similar white gangs out there, which isn't the case.

nomadking 11-06-2013 00:33
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35582477)
Penzance:- Gang of 4 or is it 3?
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Although no link was established between Wills and the others, two of the victims were abused by all four men.
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Machin was introduced to the victims in 2005 by convicted paedophile Barrett, who had already been grooming and abusing them before passing them on to other men to do the same.
Sound more like a collaboration than a gang. Individuals starting and then finding others with similar interests.
Derby:- Gang or individuals? No passing them around the country or threats of violence.
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A jury took 12 hours to convict five of the predators, who all acted individually rather than as part of a gang, after three teenage victims gave evidence in a month-long trial. The three others had pleaded guilty earlier.
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But the intense interest in the Rochdale story arose from a January 2011 Times "scoop" that was based on the conviction of at most 50 British Pakistanis out of a total UK population of 1.2 million, just one in 24,000: one person per Penzance.
There have been more convictions in the past year and there are 2 ongoing cases that I know of and another recent raid with arrests. The number of convictions is meaningless as they took them around the country for other "customers". Those "customers" are not included in that figure of 50. As the ones currently discovered were not known about at some point in time, that means there is the potential for others yet to be uncovered.

The question is what %age of a group would be willing to take part. Consider having to get together a group of 8 people to take part in a particular activity, not an illegal one, but a purely innocent one(eg stamp collecting, playing bridge). How many people would you have to ask before you could get a group of 8 together. If you had to only ask at most 100 people from your circle of family, friends, work colleagues, how does that compare to having to ask 100,000. The "activity" must be extremely popular amongst the set of 100 people. It must therefore be easy to form other groups of 8 by asking other sets of 100 people with the same characteristics. Eg it would be easier to form multiple cricket teams by asking Brits than by asking Americans. Conclusion a higher %age of Brits are into cricket than Americans.

One of the real concerns should be that these 'Asian' gangs didn't have to search far and wide for fellow participants, they were surrounded by them, in their family, friends, and work colleagues.

thenry 27-06-2013 17:05
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Two sets of brothers have been jailed for life for their sadistic abuse and rape of young girls as part of a sex ring they operated for seven years.

http://news.sky.com/story/1108875/ox...ailed-for-life
:mad: rot! *******s.

Hom3r 27-06-2013 18:12
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IMHO should be whole life tarif

spreadsheet 27-06-2013 19:25
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once again Pakistanis

Jimmy-J 27-06-2013 19:49
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Originally Posted by spreadsheet (Post 35589317)
once again Pakistanis
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"All of whom were of Pakistani or north African origin"
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The most harrowing account came from a girl who was groomed from the age of 11 and forced to have an illegal abortion on the living room floor of a house in Reading, aged 12.
*******s!

TheDaddy 28-06-2013 04:37
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Let's hope they get what they so righteously deserve in prison, over and over again.

Mosques to speak out on the subject

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23087686

Osem 02-08-2013 13:26
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Ten men have been charged with offences including rape, sexual assault and trafficking of at least five girls aged between 16 and 18.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23544913

How many more of these cases are going to turn up I wonder?

Taf 02-08-2013 16:20
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Too many I suspect, unless they are being driven underground by all the attention.

Pierre 02-08-2013 16:23
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According to some on here there is no link to such organised gangs and immigrant/Asian communities.

So nothing to worry about really.

Russ 02-08-2013 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35604562)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23544913

How many more of these cases are going to turn up I wonder?
Anyone's guess really, seeing as 'community cohesion' is considered more important.

Chris 02-08-2013 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35604634)
According to some on here there is no link to such organised gangs and immigrant/Asian communities.

So nothing to worry about really.
No, once again it's just a great big hairy coincidence that all but one of the names listed in that news report have a distinctly Asian ring to them. And if there is a correlation, it's only because they're all taxi drivers and takeaway owners, and everyone knows those professions are stuffed with perverts. :rolleyes:

Taf 02-08-2013 18:12
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More have appeared in court accused of sexually exploiting teenage girls in Coventry.

Amir Mahmood
Tasveer Hussain
Saleem Hussain
Khezer Hussain
Ifaraz Banaris
Gulfraz Banaris
Izthkhab Banaris
Isa Iqbal

and

Ricardo Hinkson

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23544913

TheDaddy 03-08-2013 23:58
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35604667)
No, once again it's just a great big hairy coincidence that all but one of the names listed in that news report have a distinctly Asian ring to them. And if there is a correlation, it's only because they're all taxi drivers and takeaway owners, and everyone knows those professions are stuffed with perverts. :rolleyes:
That's righ Chris

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Amir Mahmood
Tasveer Hussain
Saleem Hussain
Khezer Hussain
Ifaraz Banaris
Gulfraz Banaris
Izthkhab Banaris
Isa Iqbal

and

Ricardo Hinkson
Ricardo Hinkson is not an Asian name so can we put the myth that it's Asian gangs perpetrating this to bed once and for all.

Russ 04-08-2013 07:11
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Would you be willing to settle for "vastly predominantly Asian" sex gangs?

TheDaddy 04-08-2013 14:47
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35605638)
Would you be willing to settle for "vastly predominantly Asian" sex gangs?
Nope, ninety percent of the mentioned gang is hardly vast

Russ 04-08-2013 18:58
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35605737)
Nope, ninety percent of the mentioned gang is hardly vast
How about "90% of that gang is Asian but 100% of the vast majority of the other gangs are Asian"?

TheDaddy 04-08-2013 20:55
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35605861)
How about "90% of that gang is Asian but 100% of the vast majority of the other gangs are Asian"?
Get a grip Russ, since when is 90% of something anything other than vast, I'm wasted on you guys some times :Yes:

Russ 06-08-2013 16:27
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I bet all 10 men will turn out to be white-British

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...erself-2130775

Pierre 06-08-2013 17:00
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35606466)
I bet all 10 men will turn out to be white-British

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...erself-2130775
Of course not

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-22626994

But you knew that ;)

nomadking 06-08-2013 17:00
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35606466)
I bet all 10 men will turn out to be white-British

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...erself-2130775
:confused:
Earlier article
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Iblal Fiaz and his brother Khasim Fiaz, 23, both of St Georges Close, High Wycombe, deny multiple rape charges.
...
Despite bleeding, she was then raped by two other men, the prosecutor said, Mudassar Hussain, 19, and Jubroin Khan, 21.
Mr Hussain, of Abbey Barn Road, and Mr Khan, of Rutland Avenue, both in High Wycombe, deny rape.
The remaining defendants, who all deny rape and are also from High Wycombe, are: Ammar Rafiq, 19, of Castleview Gardens; Mohammed Adnan, 21, of Upper Green Road; Kasam Dad, 23, of Gibbs Road; Rameez Ali, 21, of West End Street; Janaid Sharif, 26, of Cambridge Crescent and Asif Hussain, 21, of Plummer.
In addition to those 10.
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There are 44 charges against 10 defendants but the complainant told detectives she was also forced to have sex with several other men who are not on trial.

Russ 06-08-2013 17:13
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Oh what a surprise, another Asian sex gang in court.

Gary L 06-08-2013 17:19
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35606477)
Oh what a surprise, another Asian sex gang in court.
Are you making a point, Russ. or just a casual observation?

Russ 06-08-2013 17:22
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A clear point that the authorities consider less important than 'community cohesion'.

Russ 28-08-2013 14:34
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Hmmm, let me guess.... http://news.sky.com/story/1134189/bo...aping-teenager

Osem 28-08-2013 16:31
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Gonna need some bigger prisons if this carries on. You have to wonder just how many of these cases would never have happened if word hadn't got around that this sort of thing had been cracked down upon years ago when it seems certain blind eyes were turned by people who should have known better.

Of course there's always another side to the story. I heard an interview today on the radio with one of the girls who'd been abused in Rotherham years ago. Listening to her story and despite whatever sympathy I have for her, it's clear that her own actions contributed to the situation. Her parents were powerless to deal with her behaviour and she admitted she'd have done anything to be with the guy she knew was maltreating her. A caller with some experience in this field made a very good point that parents are now virtually powerless to deal with teenagers and the sort of control they'd once have had has long gone. So it's easy to blame the authorities (and it's clear serious mistakes have been made) and without looking a bit further at how society has changed, how parenting has in all too many cases become a lost art and how so many young girls are routinely allowed to place themselves in grave danger (all too often through alcohol) seemingly without too much concern for what may happen to them.

How difficult is it to help someone who not only doesn't want to be helped but will do virtually anything to obstruct those trying to help?

Russ 30-08-2013 17:48
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What a surprise... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23896937

Osem 30-08-2013 18:01
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Can't be true!!! :eeek: :shocked: :eek: :shocking:


:rolleyes:

Nidge41 02-09-2013 17:20
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35606477)
Oh what a surprise, another Asian sex gang in court.
There'll be many many more in the news in the not so distant future.

Muslims class British women as trash and sluts. Mind you this is what Islam is all about.

Stuart 02-09-2013 19:42
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It's not only white girls. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23921570

Russ 02-09-2013 22:25
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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617604)

Muslims class British women as trash and sluts.
Utterly offensive BS. No they do not. Some might but that's a minority.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 08:06
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617804)
Utterly offensive BS. No they do not. Some might but that's a minority.
Ermmm yes they do, last year my wife caught a Taxi home with her friend and her young daughter who was 13 at the time. The driver was a Pakistani Muslim, he turned round at the end of the journey and said to my wife's friend, "can I marry your daughter".

My wife and her friend were gobsmacked, they got out of the Taxi and called him "a filthy pervert and said he shouldn't be driving a Taxi".

They took his registration number and plate number and reported him to the local licensing authority.

Russ 03-09-2013 08:15
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617892)
Ermmm yes they do, last year my wife caught a Taxi home with her friend and her young daughter who was 13 at the time. The driver was a Pakistani Muslim, he turned round at the end of the journey and said to my wife's friend, "can I marry your daughter".

My wife and her friend were gobsmacked, they got out of the Taxi and called him "a filthy pervert and said he shouldn't be driving a Taxi".

They took his registration number and plate number and reported him to the local licensing authority.
OK compare that one person to the 20 or 30 (I never felt the need to count them but those would be around about accurate figures) Muslims I knew when I lived in Leicester. None of them displayed anything of the attitude you're talking about.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 08:36
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617893)
OK compare that one person to the 20 or 30 (I never felt the need to count them but those would be around about accurate figures) Muslims I knew when I lived in Leicester. None of them displayed anything of the attitude you're talking about.
They don't display it, it's all clandestine.

Russ 03-09-2013 08:43
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Ohhh right, silly me. I had no idea. So by the same logic all white elderly men (regardless of religion) are sex offenders then?

Nidge41 03-09-2013 08:47
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617900)
Ohhh right, silly me. I had no idea. So by the same logic all white elderly men (regardless of religion) are sex offenders then?
They might be you never know.:rolleyes:

You don't have to look far for evidence of Muslim child grooming gangs who have been jailed over the last 2-3 years, Oldham, Rochdale, Blackpool, Nottingham to name a few.

Russ 03-09-2013 08:48
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617902)
They might be you never know.:rolleyes:

You don't have to look far for evidence of Muslim child grooming gangs who have been jailed over the last 2-3 years, Oldham, Rochdale, Blackpool, Nottingham to name a few.
So to you, Asian = Muslim?

Nidge41 03-09-2013 08:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617903)
So to you, Asian = Muslim?
Nope, Asian could be Indians like Hindus, Seik, Chinese, Japanese etc etc.

Muslims are Asian yes, sick ones at that.

Russ 03-09-2013 09:03
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617906)
Nope, Asian could be Indians like Hindus, Seik, Chinese, Japanese etc etc.
So why do you assume all the Asian men in these stories are Muslim? Where does it say that?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617906)
Muslims are Asian yes, sick ones at that.
This will obviously come as a shock to you but....there are white British Muslims too.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:06
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617908)
So why do you assume all the Asian men in these stories are Muslim? Where does it say that?



This will obviously come as a shock to you but....there are white British Muslims too.
I know.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617908)
So why do you assume all the Asian men in these stories are Muslim? Where does it say that?



This will obviously come as a shock to you but....there are white British Muslims too.
Ermm look at the names, Hindus and Siek's don't take part in such sick acts.

At Sheffield Crown Court throughout September and October, eight men sat in the dock accused of rape and other sexual crimes against four girls, three aged 13 and one 16. The case resulted in five being convicted and three acquitted. All of the eight defendants were Pakistani Muslims.

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/3576/full

Russ 03-09-2013 09:12
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617910)
I know.
So we're both agreed that...

Quote:
Muslims are Asian yes
..is wrong then? Good.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617910)
Ermm look at the names, Hindus and Siek's don't take part in such sick acts.
Right, so there are no Hindu or Sikh sex offenders. Ever thought of sharing your knowledge with the police? I'm sure that would help their detection rates.

And you think that just because someone has a Muslim-sounding name that they are Muslim?

Honestly your ignorance in this in incredible.

I'm the first one to point out that in all of these sex gangs that get to court the vast majority of the members are Asian - most of the time they all are. But to assume they're all Muslim just because of their names is supreme ignorance.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:14
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617913)
So we're both agreed that...



..is wrong then? Good.



Right, so there are no Hindu or Sikh sex offenders. Ever thought of sharing your knowledge with the police? I'm sure that would help their detection rates.

And you think that just because someone has a Muslim-sounding name that they are Muslim?

Honestly your ignorance in this in incredible.

I'm the first one to point out that in all of these sex gangs that get to court the vast majority of the members are Asian - most of the time they all are. But to assume they're all Muslim just because of their names is supreme ignorance.
Read the link above.

Russ 03-09-2013 09:17
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Yes, you've provided one link. Can you show me links from all the recent Asian sex gang cases where it says they're all Muslim?

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Here I'll help:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23896937

Quote:
Rakib Iacub was the first of the men to have sex with the victim, after they met at a Diwali festival.
Diwali - Hindu festival. Oops.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617915)
Yes, you've provided one link. Can you show me links from all the recent Asian sex gang cases where it says they're all Muslim?

---------- Post added at 09:17 ---------- Previous post was at 09:15 ----------

Here I'll help:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23896937



Diwali - Hindu festival. Oops.


Yes Muslims go to the Indian Festival of Diwali. Your next question.

Russ 03-09-2013 09:25
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617917)
Yes Muslims go to the Indian Festival of Diwali. Your next question.
Take it from someone who knows a little about these matters, Muslims and Hindus do not get along at the best of times. It would be very rare for any Muslim to be at a Diwali festival.

My next question? Where does it say in my link that all the men are Muslim?

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617918)
Take it from someone who knows a little about these matters, Muslims and Hindus do not get along at the best of times. It would be very rare for any Muslim to be at a Diwali festival.

My next question? Where does it say in my link that all the men are Muslim?
Take it from someone who works with abused children from backgrounds like this, Muslims do attend the Festival of Diwali.

Russ 03-09-2013 09:38
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
OK despite my proving you wrong you've continuously dodged my questions which I think is pretty indicative of your ignorance and prejudice in this. No point in trying to reason with anyone like that.

dilli-theclaw 03-09-2013 09:39
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617920)
Take it from someone who works with abused children from backgrounds like this, Muslims do attend the Festival of Diwali.
That is probably the single most worrying post I've read this week.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:43
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617923)
OK despite my proving you wrong you've continuously dodged my questions which I think is pretty indicative of your ignorance and prejudice in this. No point in trying to reason with anyone like that.
Where have you proved me wrong? Please show me?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35617927)
That is probably the single worrying post I've read this week.
I'm glad it is.

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More proof http://britishpatriotssociety.info/i...news&Itemid=58

Do want me to carry on?

dilli-theclaw 03-09-2013 09:43
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617928)
Where have you proved me wrong? Please show me?

---------- Post added at 09:41 ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 ----------



I'm glad it is.
Why would you be glad that the most ignorant people are dealing with children in any capacity? - that would worry me immensely.

Russ 03-09-2013 09:44
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617928)
Where have you proved me wrong? Please show me?
My pleasure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by me
So to you, Asian = Muslim?
Quote:
Originally Posted by you
Muslims are Asian yes
Quote:
Originally Posted by me
This will obviously come as a shock to you but....there are white British Muslims too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by you
I know.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:45
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
http://www.sikh24.com/2013/07/leices.../#.UiWhTBhwYdU

Russ 03-09-2013 09:47
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617928)

More proof http://britishpatriotssociety.info/i...news&Itemid=58

Do want me to carry on?
You call that proof? OK let me break it down for you. A politically-charged website claims in it's title ONLY that these people are Muslim without providing any evidence whatsoever. Sure it points out that the vast, vast majority are Asian (something I've pointed out many times, purely because it's true) but Muslim? They've provided zero proof of that other than "cos we said so". Sorry but that's not 'proof', it's 'confirmation bias'.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:49
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35617933)
Why would you be glad that the most ignorant people are dealing with children in any capacity? - that would worry me immensely.
I'm as ignorant as the people on here are.

I'm good at my job and have many commendations from my employers and their associates.

Now jog on.

---------- Post added at 09:48 ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617937)
You call that proof? OK let me break it down for you. A politically-charge website claims in it's title ONLY that these people are Muslim without providing any evidence whatsoever. Sure it points out that the vast, vast majority are Asian (something I've pointed out many times, purely because it's true) but Muslim? They've provided zero proof of that other than "cos we said so". Sorry but that's not 'proof', it's 'confirmation bias'.
Do you want more?????

---------- Post added at 09:49 ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 ----------

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23632247

Russ 03-09-2013 09:51
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617938)
'More' suggests you've already provided some.

What you've done is to back up what I said earlier - in SOME of these cases the men are Muslim, no doubt about that. But I'm still waiting for you to 'prove' that all the men in all these cases are Muslim.

And no, stating the names of those involved is not what any sane person would call 'proof'.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:51
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
http://www.european-freedom-initiati...-grooming-gang

dilli-theclaw 03-09-2013 09:51
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617938)
I'm as ignorant as the people on here are.

I'm good at my job and have many commendations from my employers and their associates.
This is your problem - you have issues with reading. I didn't say you were no good at your job.

What you have posted has very clearly showed up your ignorance. I also very much doubt your employers would agree with your statements you've made on here.

If you don't think this has an effect on the work you claim to do then you DO have an issue.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:54
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
http://www.care2.com/news/member/100541798/3582481

---------- Post added at 09:54 ---------- Previous post was at 09:53 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35617943)
This is your problem - you have issues with reading. I didn't say you were no good at your job.

What you have posted has very clearly showed up your ignorance. I also very much doubt your employers would agree with your statements you've made on here.

If you don't think this has an effect on the work you claim to do then you DO have an issue.
My employers know what I stand up for, which is "the protection of Children".

Russ 03-09-2013 09:55
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617942)
Right, so just because the title of their article claims they are Muslim means they obviously are?

Still waiting for that proof by the way.

richard s 03-09-2013 09:58
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
British Airways Pilot found dead (suicide) for abusing Kenyan children. A sad fact of life is that there are child rapists in all occupations, religions across the world.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 09:58
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617947)
Right, so just because the title of their article claims they are Muslim means they obviously are?

Still waiting for that proof by the way.
The proof is there read the headlines, "Muslims convicted of Child Sex Abuse ring".

Russ 03-09-2013 10:00
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35617949)
British Airways Pilot found dead (suicide) for abusing Kenyan children. A sad fact of life is that there are child rapists in all occupations, religions across the world.
Yes but as has been pointed out countless times, this thread is about sex 'gangs'. They work quite differently from individual offenders.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617950)
The proof is there read the headlines, "Muslims convicted of Child Sex Abuse ring".
Right so if I set up a thread with a title of "Nidge41 is an armed robber", we can safely call that proof that you are then?

By the way the proof I've asked for (and what you're continuously dodging) is something that proves all the men in all these cases are Muslim.

Still waiting.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 10:07
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617951)
Yes but as has been pointed out countless times, this thread is about sex 'gangs'. They work quite differently from individual offenders.

---------- Post added at 10:00 ---------- Previous post was at 09:59 ----------



Right so if I set up a thread with a title of "Nidge41 is an armed robber", we can safely call that proof that you are then?

By the way the proof I've asked for (and what you're continuously dodging) is something that proves all the men in all these cases are Muslim.

Still waiting.
They're all Muslims read the bloody headlines you fool.

Russ 03-09-2013 10:12
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35617957)
They're all Muslims read the bloody headlines you fool.
More questions ignored.

So you're taking the word of a far-right BNP/EDL-esque website (that doesn't cite any sources) that some Asian men are Muslim?

Once again that's not proof, it's confirmation bias.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 10:14
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617961)
More questions ignored.

So you're taking the word of a far-right BNP/EDL-esque website (that doesn't cite any sources) that some Asian men are Muslim?

Once again that's not proof, it's confirmation bias.
Jesus you take Pedantic to another level.:rolleyes:

Russ 03-09-2013 10:16
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
If asking for actual proof is what you call pedantic then yep, I totally do.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 10:21
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617963)
If asking for actual proof is what you call pedantic then yep, I totally do.
The proof is in the headlines.

Russ 03-09-2013 10:27
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
So again I'll ask one of the questions you ignored earlier.

Quote:
Right so if I set up a thread with a title of "Nidge41 is an armed robber", we can safely call that proof that you are then?

Nidge41 03-09-2013 10:33
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617970)
So again I'll ask one of the questions you ignored earlier.
If you want yes, It will be up to the Police and the CPS to prove otherwise.

Russ 03-09-2013 10:41
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
No, it would only become proof if could be proven. Putting something in a headline does not make it proof no matter how much of an inconvenience that may be. Why do you think newspapers get sued for libellous headlines?

The bottom line is you cannot provide any proof to back up your ignorant prejudices.

Nidge41 03-09-2013 10:43
Re: Child grooming gang found guilty
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35617974)
No, it would only become proof if could be proven. Putting something in a headline does not make it proof no matter how much of an inconvenience that may be. Why do you think newspapers get sued for libellous headlines?

The bottom line is you cannot provide any proof to back up your ignorant prejudices.
They have been convicted and jailed for Child Sex Abuse, how is that ignorant?


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