Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

A LOT of their customers won't even realise their speed has been upgraded and many won't be bothered to phone up to change. Also bt infinity is taking off so virgin need to counter that threat as you can get their 40mb which is around 37mb on average for £18 with 40gb cap, £25 without cap. that will be 80mb later this year. Virgin charge £18.50 for 30mb.

Virgin HAD to significantly increase their speeds otherwise users would switch to BT as 80mb with no cap and no speed drop to 5mb after a few gig for £25 is truly amazing.

Once netflix and lovefilm streaming really take off i'll bet we'll see alot of virgin customers complaining about the speed drop to 5mb. netflix does 720p and has one with a rather high bitrate, they recommend you have a 4mb connection, so if you share your internet you may experience problems with netflix hd and i'm sure lovefilm will add hd support this year.

I'll be dropping from XL 20Mb to L 20mb once i've been upgraded to 60mb to reduce my bills but i'll still be throttled to 5mb after watching netflix hd i'm sure which really sucks. Virgin need to increase the limit on the new 20mb package to stop that from happening imo. The other packages have a decent limit until the speed drop is triggered.

Wonder if virgin will be adding 802.11ac to their modem/routers later this year, it would help alot for wireless users trying to get maximum speed.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Don't forget that even though a lot of existing customers will probably drop down a tier to save money, most probably won't and it'll mean that Virgin's SLOWEST package (S doesn't count) will be nearly twice as fast as what people like Sky can currently offer. BT Infinity is still relatively hard to come by and not many others apart from BT sell it, so I think Virgin is aiming to rake in new customers (and sell them TV+Phone while they're at it) with this.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It has to be 120Mb + fluff for overheads, so probably 132Mb going by the 10% VM have adopted.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

yeah, sky will lose a lot of customer to virgin's 20mb broadband and they'll gain extra tv/phone packages from them. Sky will only have their tv to compete with virgin until sky start selling bt infinity which they will be doing but it will be 2015 by the time 2/3rds of britain will have access to bt infinity or atleast their exchange will have been upgraded, not sure if bt have clarifed whether they are 2/3rds will have exchange done or exchange+cabinets.

Sky might have to start giving broadband for less than the £7.50 that they currently charge with their tv packages.

All competition is good for us :)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You mean retentions? :D

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As far as I know there has been no announcement about any of the traffic management details on the new tiers, so it's not a given that what management is on 20Mbit now is what will be on the upgraded M/L 20Mbit

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Once again, the BBC article does mention it:

So weirdly enough, those going from 10meg -> 20meg will get less than what 20meg people currently get (according to http://www.virginmedia.com/myvirginm...ment_table.php).

I dare say that those moving from 20 to 60 will get the same as those moving from 30 to 60.

However, I think it's fair enough- the 10 (soon to be 20meg) service is a basic service. If you find you're hitting STM a lot, you should probably think about upgrading, even if you don't need the extra speed. I know plenty of people who'd happily stay on 10meg and throttle it 24/7 if they could, rather than pay for 50 and only use it 4-5 hours a day.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

That's a pretty general statement though. Until full details are published we don't know exactly what the changes are

Although I do appreciate this is the internet, so wild speculation is always preferred over waiting for facts ;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Not true, VM will be informing all customers about the changes.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

This is true, but at least my "speculation" is taking what a VM spokesman said at face value :D

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

by mail or email? As alot of customers don't check their virgin email accounts.

If i were virgin i'd increase the the throttled speed from 5mb to 7mb for the new 20mb tier and increase the amount allowed to download till that is triggered. That way hardly any customers will be affected by netflix hd.

Netflix u.s has 1080p btw, u.k doesn't at the moment, i'm sure that will change in 2012/13 in which case virgin would get a ton of complaints for throttling. Virgin need to start figuring out their strategy for the 20mb tier in regards to this.

They could just allow users to use iplayer/netflix/lovefilm and not count that bandwidth towards their max allowed amount before triggering 5mb that would solve everything but can't see virgin doing that.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Both probably

Re: Speed doubling?
 

I am on the L 10mb and they have never offered me the 20mb service when i asked for an upgrade. all they quote is the 30mb and £30 fee

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Looks like everyone's going to be getting a Superhub :D

Re: Speed doubling?
 

20Mb should be ousted, likewise everything below. you've been quoted 30£ for a SH able to get you more speed/future proof ?

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Quote:

However, some users with old modems and other similar hardware will receive new up-to-date equipment free of charge

not necessarily, they could be offered the standard hub

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You're asking me to predict the future?

Re: Speed doubling?
 

No the are many people on the lower tiers and they will not need a new modem to go up to 20Mb, the cost would be prohibitive if they all had to be sent new kit.


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Only clowns predict the future of broadband so if the cap fits wear it.

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Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You have to remember that Virgin needs incentives to get people to upgrade. The 20Mbit will be the lowest tier they offer, it's the baseline, the equivalent to BT's lowest which has a 10Gb usage limit, or even the 40Gb usage limit - imagine how quickly you'd hit either of those with streaming.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

i think you should start reading posts properly before replying with quotes.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

No I'm asking you to advise what is currently wrong with the SuperHub that would neccessitate an exception to the current product rules for 100Mbit that says that it comes with the SuperHub?

Personally, since the introduction of the modem mode for the SuperHub, I'm not aware of any that would cause Virgin to allow an exception and let someone use a VMNG300 modem with 100Mbit

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I can't say what I would find wrong with the Superhub as I've never used one. There are still plenty of people who object to it, on the basis of e.g. power consumption, layout, extreme light brightness, etc. Modem mode is not the only reason people wanted a VMNG300 over a Superhub, and all I'm saying further faults with the SH may come up in future and given exceptions have been made in the past and continue to be made, I see no reason to say they will never be made again.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Actually that was not for you as you never mentioned clowns did you.;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

No that's true, but it's the only reason they got one

Re: Speed doubling?
 

I didn't say everyone should get a free SH, I don't think I've ever said that. Neither did I say everyone should get a standard Hub. I have however said many times that everyone needs to get onto docsis3.. the SH which I stand by. 30£ for a SH with upcoming free doubling is a bargain wouldn't you agree?

and on we go....

v0id's quote was..

some old modems > thats a fact, there are land fill destined modems on the network or recycle/proper disposal for the tree huggers.

unless you've miss quoted or piggy backed my post I don't understand why you've posted what you have.

again.. I suggest you quote the correct posts.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I have just went into my virgin account, clicked on change package and clicked on the 30mb option.
i have been quoted weird prices, £105 costs.
as attached

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

its an error, call 150 from your home phone

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Ben,
Could you be more specific please. I have the blue NTL 250 modem, is that ok for 20Mbit?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Yes it will be

But anyway, Virgin will let customers know if they need an equipment upgrade to get the speed increase

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Apparently not.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16491614

Re: Speed doubling?
 

So virgin have confirmed 50mb goes to 100mb. 100mb only goes to 120mb?

Cant see the sense in that if its true.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

At the time I wrote the post that was correct. The full retier only got announced this morning (and has been discussed a lot on here already today)

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100Mbit customers go to 120Mbit and will also be getting a price reduction

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Thanks Ben

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Just to clarify thats existing 100Mbit customers that'll be getting a price reduction, not the 50Mbit customers increased to 100Mbit

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

BenMcr - as a 10mb L customer can I still get a 20mb upgrade instead of getting 30mb and having to pay the £30 activation fee for a superhub

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As far as I'm aware yes, although I would expect you would be pushed towards the latter

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Will they still be paying more than the 50meg customers, though or will they be paying the same (possibly as a thank you for being an early adopter?)?

I only ask because there was talk of the 100meg dropping to the same price as the 50meg when the 50meg went to 100meg, but if 100 is going to 120 and getting a price decrease as well, then I'm just wondering what the costs will be. 100 to 120 isn't a big leap really.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

And here's me just signed up for 50Mb (though not installing until March)

Is it just download or are we getting any upload speed change as well (I already live in a increased upload area)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You will just be upgraded to 20mb with your existing modem.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

The uploads will also be increased to keep the same 10:1 ratio - although I believe depending on the network work required the two may not change at the same time

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...m-p/958425#M63

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

i just phoned them and they insit there is no 20mb only 30mb depsite me saying dont want 30mb. they wont budge form their answer.
got through to CS at wythenshawe

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Does this mean other srvices will be doubled first, and the top service will be done after the others?

Or is this comment for all upgrades?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

they wont do it. Masque posted that its taken off the system or something along the lines. get the SH, save yourself the hassle.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

At present the is no longer a 20Mb tier and the only option is to upgrade to 30Mb, the new 20Mb tier will not come into effect until your area has been upgraded which will be sometime over the next 18 months.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Thanks

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

2/3 of VM areas have no infinity.

Most people dont constantly switch to whatever is the cheapest at any given moment either, there is a degree of loyalty and there is the slight legal requirement of a min contract term.

Finally we have people who will stick with VM for tv as well.

I have always had the view the customers that constantly switch are ones not worth having.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

^ I think infinity is referring to BT's rollout schedule rather than speed.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Atm, we are on XL 20mb with no superhub, I was never offered a superhub and upgrade to 30mb. Either way, I think I'll hang on and wait for the 60mb upgrade. I hope the superhub is free like they say!

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

same position as you, but once i've got my new modem/router i'll drop down to L 20mb tier to save £.

Hope virgin release their upgrade schedule for the double speed, they released their 100mb updated upgrade schedule on 7th jan, everywhere will have 100mb by end of May.

What happens about money? will all the prices drop in 1 week or after 19 months once everyone has upgraded or will they change area by area after the upgrade is done in their area?

Wonder if there will be any change in the XL price for standalone broadband or as a package?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I'm on the XL 20mb service; will I get a new modem ?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

If you have an old ambit or previous versions then yes you need a superhub when they upgrade to 60mb

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

What about the 255 would that support the 60 or still have to upgrade to the sh

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

That will need to be upgraded to the shub

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Will the Superhubs be provided for free ?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

i think the 255 only goes up to something like 25mbit

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Any timetable for these upgrades?

(might have already been answered, don't have time to read 4 pages!)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Over the next 18 months.

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Up to 20Mb anything higher and you would need to upgrade to a Superhub.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It's pretty easy to tell if you'll need a new Modem or not.

The ONLY modems capable of 30Mbit and higher are the Superhub and the Ambit 300 (This one: http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/...rgin-modem.jpg). That's it.

Any other modems can only do up to 20 at best. Some REALLY old modems can't even do that, but it's very unlikely you'll even have any of those (You're talking NTL 120's and the like).

SO as a rule of thumb:

10Meg users won't need a new modem
20Meg users that don't have a Superhub WILL need a new Modem
30Meg and higher users won't need a new modem (It's impossible to be on 30meg and on an old modem - believe me, I've seen Engineers try it!).


The jury's still out on what happens with the Ambit 300 users on 50meg, but don't be surprised if they need a superhub as well.

IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER: MOST of the issues with the superhub are regarding its capabilities as a router. As a modem, it's absolutely fine - and if you have a standalone router (Such as a netgear or a D-link) you OWN it and can continue to use it with a Superhub, just remember that unless it's wireless-N, you won't get much benefit out of your new speeds.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Anyone going to 40Mb will receive a Superhub, anyone on 2Mb or 10Mb can use their existing kit as they will not be upgraded past 20Mb

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

40Mb?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I take you are not reading the upgrades list correctly and it is quite clear.

Broadband Size : S (up to 2Mb) Up to 5Mb

Broadband Size : M (up to 10Mb) Up to 20Mb

Broadband Size : L (up to 10Mb) Up to 20Mb

Broadband Size : XL (up to 20Mb or 30Mb) Up to 60Mb

Broadband Size : XXL (up to 50Mb) Up to 100Mb

Broadband Size : 100 (up to 100Mb) Up to 120Mb – Note these increases will start from summer 2012

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

and where does it say 40mb?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You have lost me as well i cannot see 40 Mb:)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As this is from the Community forum and was posted by Mark Wilkins the Forum Manager then I believe him, not aimed at the poster whose post I am answering by the way just a good post to use as a soundboard.

Second post Down http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...eds/m-p/958421

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Some further questions answered here by Virgin Media here http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...959777#M110003

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Nope still cannot see a 40

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

The interesting bit is here as well.



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I think that one was wishful thinking on some peoples part, don't you.;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It was you that said it though?

:confused:

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Thats why i am confused

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Thats going to upset those that hate the shub :)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Will that still require an engineer to install?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I have the netgear WNR2000, will this be able to handle to 100MB double up

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Yes I did and posted incorrectly my bad,:dunce: but now we have it from the community forum which is going to correct.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

that is the biggest load of poo i have ever heard. In order to get that result do you think they tested it as rigourously as they did the shub before it was released?

I think it is something they made up because they want everyone on the shub. If they honestly believe the vmng300 cant do more than 92mbits (less than half it's rated throughout) then I would be asking some serious questions.

I think that has now got to be my new favourite pile of poo quote from VM, it even beats the "unbeatable wireless performance" one.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I said that would upset :)

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Bet this forum as seen a spike in usage tonight :)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

From how I read it, most people won't. I would expect that you'll only need an engineer install if it's identified that your signal levels are wrong etc.

Even if you do I wouldn't expect it to be a chargeable visit

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I expect it will have something to do with the VMNG300 inability to use more than 4 downstreams and I expect in 18 months time that will have been rolled out making the VMNG300 struggle on the network.

It may have been tested at higher speeds but probably only with 4 downstreams, we are not senior management so those decisions will have been made at a high level.

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As with the 30Mb rollout the majority just got sent the Superhub.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Many thanks

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I am sure a consolidation of tiers will happen and 20mb will be the base tier.

Or, offered a deal to go higher still...;)

In effect merging the two tiers together.

100 is the platinum tier. VM are just nudging it to 120mb to stop a few complaints to the call centres from the highest paying customers wondering why their speed isn't being doubled too. Of course there will eventually be a higher speed and when 200mb and higher is released, those wealthy young rednecks on 120mb will want to upgrade to the fastest and pay the premium price for it. Lucky gits. I remember when I used to have money to burn!

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Given no roll out dates for the speed doubling have generally been announced I suppose those who are already paying for the top 100Mbit tier could potentially find themselves paying more than those who were just paying for 50Mbit but were then doubled to 100Mbit at no extra cost. That is unless, on the date that the first 50Mbit user is doubled to 100Mbit, all existing 100Mbit tier subscribers have the price they pay reduced to the same as those on the "50Mbit doubled to 100Mbit tariff" until they are upgraded to 120Mbit (which could be optional because some might want to remain on 100Mbit). BenMcr mentioned some price reductions might occur for eventual 120Mbit users, however I wouldn't think it fair if existing 100Mbit users were paying a premium for 100Mbit while those that were doubled to it, from 50Mbit, were paying less.

I suppose, at some point, being a VMNG300 user with 100Mbit, I shall need to ask for a Superhub. Will they accept posting it or will I need an engineer to visit?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Just to point out no plans for 200Mbit yet

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...959777#M110003

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Even when 120Mbit is available, Virgin might like to think about improving on the 10:1 download:upload ratio by offering more than 12Mbit upload. FTTC will be offering up to 20Mbit upload this year and I'd expect to be able to achieve the majority of that. :)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I don't see why.

If he stays on 10mb, he automatically gets upgraded to 20mb without any pushing from vm or anyone else. If he wishes to upgrade tiers, and VM have stated today that the Superhub will be given out for free (glad I never paid the "activation" fee when I upgraded from 20 to 30mb..;):D) then his service will eventually go to 60mb. The choice is his and no pushing involved whatsoever.

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I know, just read that myself a minute ago! Do we believe him?;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

SuperHub is only free as part of the uplift programme i.e. when Virgin contact you and say you need it as part of the tier increase.

There is still the £30 activation fee if you upgrade your tier to one that requires the SuperHub.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Oh yes, you're right. The "activation" fee is still activated....Prepare for the avalanche of complaints when those that paid the fee realise that if they had waited a bit they could've avoided the charge.

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They will post it.

And as for the first part of your post, as I've said VM are clearly merging the 50mb/100mb tiers together. Or more accurately the platinum 100 tier is being put on ice. As I said, those who have the dosh for 100mb will not want to remain on 120mb and accept a price reduction because they will be the same as the people on the 50mb tier who will be getting a upgrade to 100mb. The minute 200mb+ is out, they'll upgrade to it.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

On the "new equipment" side, are there any modems still in service that are not 20Mb capable (mine's a 256, so I'm good).

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Surprisingly, there are still modems in service that aren't even 10meg compatible. Some people are still connected via USB, so they get no more than 1.2Meg on a good day.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It's also false, as the VMNG300 has been tested for up to 200mb "on their network". 92mb sounds like whoever did the testing forgot to switch to gigabit.

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I tend to find most things written by Mark Wilkin are completely misinformed or just plain incorrect.

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4 downstreams is enough for 200mb and it has been tested to that level. All else equal increasing the number of downstreams beyond 4 will make the VMNG300 perform better on the network, not worse.

The fact that it has been tested to higher has shown that it works on higher. One does not simply decide what they want the results of a test to be. If that were the case there's no point testing to begin with.

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When 200mb gets released I bet 120mb customers will get upgraded while everyone remains as is, i.e. 60, 100, 200 being the sequence. I have the feeling 120 is just a stopgap between 100 and 200 while the network isn't quite up to running 200 yet.

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There are no formally announced rollout plans, but one would be foolish to suggest VM do not have any plans for 200mbit whatsoever. The fact that it has been trialled indicates planning.

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USB 2 is "up to" 480meg. USB 1.1 is "up to" 11 meg.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

The "tested to 92meg" line seems like an indication they wont be forcing upgrades, they just want to scare people into upgrading. But wouldnt a 4 downstream modem running 100mb actually end up stealing bandwidth from an 8 downstream modem when the network gets busy?

And does anyone on 100meg with a VMNG300 and the new "fluff" config fancy running some speedtests?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Overall I think it's great news from Virgin. Can't wait for my upgrade.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It's still slightly confusing because Virgin Media probably want to offer 120Mbit ASAP so they can still lay claim to being the fastest consumer broadband service provider in the UK (10Mbit faster than OpenReach's 110Mbit FTTP). So the platinum tier (currently 100Mbit, but soon to be 120Mbit) cannot really be iced unless everyone on 50Mbit, 100Mbit or 120Mbit pays exactly the same and is put on the fastest possible speed for their UBR. If this doesn't occur we'll see people either paying less or the same but getting substantially different speeds. Who'd want to be paying for, and getting, the current 100Mbit when some former 50Mbit users are getting the same speed for less (because of being doubled) and some former 100Mbit customers are paying the same but getting 120Mbit?

I can only envisage current 100Mbit users having the price reduced to that of 50Mbit and all those who are currently on 50Mbit but can get 100Mbit now are automatically upgraded, with the rest being upgraded when 100Mbit is available from their UBR. This tariff would be the new XXL. This would be followed by the introduction of a replacement top tier tariff called 120Mbit. Anyone who wanted to upgrade to 120Mbit would pay extra when the product was made available from their UBR.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It wouldn't really "steal" anything, just slightly unbalance. A superhub on 100mb would cause, say, 25% load across 8 channels. A VMNG300 only capable of using channels 1-4 would cause 50% load across those but leave 5-8 at 0%. Used capacity would be the same, remaining capacity would be the same, and Superhubs on all channels would just have to bias towards 5-8 and trancieve proportionally more traffic on those channels and overall balance would be brought back into line. Even when busy, the total packet load would just get spread amongst the varying channels in a different pattern. In theory.

I do remember Igni mentioning a while back this doesn't actually work as well as it should in the real world though.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

If its to do with 4 downstreams then why are VM rolling out 100mbit with only 4 downstreams?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You did read th bit that says the VMNG300 is not capable of 100Mb on the platform, and that is from Virgin Media not me and if they have changed the hardware to use 8 downstreams rather than 4 that has to be significant.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Yeah and the modems that have USB connections only do USB1.1 (With the EPC2100 possibly being an exception, but I can't remember).

As for the speeds of USB1.1, it has two profiles, "low-speed" and "high-speed". High speed is indeed "up to" 12Mbit, but low speed is 1.5Mbit which is what these modems tend to run at. At the time, BBI speeds weren't anywhere near that level so it was fine. Believe me, I've seen plenty of speedtest results from people connected via USB.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

USB has not been supported for around 4 years and the EPC2100 was the last modem supplied with USB anyway.

I know many high end routers have USB fitted but that is on unsupported equipment.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I didnt say isnt significant, but I dont think thats the reason for the 92mbit specification, because if it was VM would then be in trouble for rolling out the service on 4 downstreams.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Yes I know this, I was responding to someone's question about there being equipment that doesn't support 20meg.

It was mostly anecdotal, as you said it's not supported but people do still use it - mostly people that have PC's so old, they don't even have ethernet ports, or people that (for some reason) have both ethernet and USB connected up (and wonder why they get slow speeds, or why their router/other PC doesn't work).

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I know so I was adding some more information for you.;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Assume my NTL250 will handle 20MB ok, and I won't need a Superhub ?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

From the ex-ntl side the 200 (I think), 250, 255 and 256 are all fine for 20Mbit.