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There is a big difference between updating the firmware to resolve any identified issues, and updating the firmware to include new features.
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"we're going to take a little break" is so out of touch with whats gone on. |
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I point you to the public statement Virgin have made here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09...te_modem_mode/
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Mark Wilkins said the same on the forum.. we already know that. its the fact a staff member obviously in the know on the forum has mentioned having a little break like they have just cured cancer. its pathetic especially with whats now happening with regards to different manufacturers building and supplying the superhubs all of which have been flagged in this thread to be different in some shape or form.
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I think poor old thenry is being set upon for some of the things he says in innocence and frustration.
To thenry, I'd say that VM have understood at long last the risk associated with using just one SH supplier whose pedigree has so badly let them down. Much too late - and they'll never admit it - but the Huawei addition, stated in this forum a couple of months ago BTW, is the evidence of that fact. As ever, they misunderstand the mistrust people have in the 480 SH, but in all fairness, we have to see what R30 produces. VM have chosen their partners; there would be commercial reasons to a significant extent and I suspect (opinion) that the SH went out in it's wretched state last year because they couldn't get any more Ambits. IMO, VM's big mistake was not first putting in a vanilla EuroDOCSIS 3 gateway and then doing the SH properly. Another mistake (opinion) was not validating a paid for standalone modem from day 1. VM come out of this with very little if any credit. There is no admission that they got it wrong (fact) - and boy did they get it wrong. We all hope they've learned from this episode and in future will put the customer at VM's heart. |
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Any new feature requests will have to be drawn up, identified as to whether they are possible or not, costed to find out how much it will be to add them to the product, scoped for benefit to the customer and the business, planned for production, tested for technical reasons, tested for support reasons, beta tested, trained out to support staff etc. It's not a simple as just writing it and rolling it out. |
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Anything on the intranet with regards to this device is going to be a lot more accurate than any of the information you could ever post on here or probably have access to unless you are a employee, but I do not think you would that naive to post anything else as you would be breaching company confidentiality and the legal department would want to have words with you to say the least. |
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Where's NetgearNigel and AmbitAndy?
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Keep in mind that when I test for Microsoft at BETA level they do not charge me! They don't tell me "this is the mutts nuts, give me your money" !! Quote:
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That is why they encourage BETA testing FREE OF CHARGE to the testers. They don't sell the product at full charge and hope to get away with it! And when there is an error they fix it, and the fix works...... :rolleyes: Edit: "select few triallists" = "a few people already have it" - same thing! |
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My frustration is all down to the fact staff members saying their going to take a break, its unbelievably pathetic. Like I said, whats done is done.. now move in the right direction but I don't see it. Yes they have new contractors in place now but are they going to provide firmwares? is it all netgear? is someone else involved? are they all together? please excuse my lack of knowledge, confirmation would be nice? if its 1 writing the firmware then having an extra contractor or two would mean the first has extremely shoddy hardware when in fact its been proven that its ok, R30 proves that unless its the wireless chip thats being upgraded? |
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presumably they also took a break from updating the intranet that Masque believes it 100% acurate .... :dozey: |
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Can we keep to the topic, and have less of the personal remarks (on all sides of the discussion).
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Do remember that the new Superhub when it arrives will be sent out alongside the existing Superhub and the will be no option to choose one over the other as oddly enough you only lease the equipment so you get what you get. |
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Both the Press Office talking to The Register and Mark Wilkin have said the same thing that Virgin will continue to work to bring new features to the SuperHub where possible. Quote:
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VM have a bloody nose over the SH. They don't really have the grace to fully admit it, IMO - but they've brought in a second supplier and stats will show whether or not there's an improvement, both with the 485 and the 480. I think focus might now shift from what a normal Netgear router (or the CG3100D) would offer and what's been removed as a result of VM's firmware specification. In other words, why has VM specified a firmware (slugging some features) and then put up a thread in the VM forum asking punters what features they's like to see? Seems somewhat amateur to me. |
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The best I have seen is about 25mbit, and my sisters lappy can barely do just under 20mbit. |
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I did say 'fine' rather than 'perfect' but happy to be corrected on that ;)
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I think the real probable answer to the dongle is that they wanted to add value to the 50mbit product over the 30mbit by not giving a free dongle with 30mbit. I am fine with that personally but its perhaps becoming a problem because its becoming clear on forum posts that people are expecting full performance over wireless.
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The lovers cried and the poets dreamed But not a word was spoken The church bells all were broken And the three men I admire the most The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost They caught the last train for the coast The day the Ambits died.♫ ---------- Post added at 21:51 ---------- Previous post was at 21:49 ---------- Quote:
I could write a thesis on all the crap your "intranet" has got wrong and all the junk you've regurgitated from it, but alas I have better things to do. ---------- Post added at 21:53 ---------- Previous post was at 21:51 ---------- Quote:
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Though 20mbps is usually the limit under good conditions - as you move further away or get more interference it'll drop so in practice it'll often be lower. 20-24mbps out of 'g' is only next to the router with low interference - though again 'g' is a bit more resiliant than 'n' in practice. Haven't seen anyone really benchmark the wireless performance (as in actually pushed to the limit) on these Superhubs yet mind you. But if/when I do (soon) get my own SH I shall certainly be pushing it whatever firmware it has. |
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I'm not sure if R30 corrected it or not but on R26 my Superhub keeled over and hung about 15 minutes into a LAN backup when using the 300Mbps setting. It did survive on the 150Mbps setting but was slow - just how slow I don't remember exactly but did post the numbers up on the VM community board - it was in a thread that lead to them sending me a replacement which did exactly the same. It was a completely uncontrolled test of course.
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Actually now that you remind me, I could take the wireless card out the Superhub and put it in my laptop, so I can do an controlled test of how "bad" the Superhub itself makes things turn - i.e. same wireless card in a PC vs. the same card in a Superhub to see what the Superhub firmware does to things.
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Last time I looked R29 had problems now the R30 thread is on page 30 - I know it is very rude not to read up first, but could someone summarize where we are now? Is R30 still beta? When is it likely to be released?
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i have Just had 50mb to 100mb upgrade and got the virgin media super hub (NETGEAR CG3101D) and have probs with the R30 firmware will list in a min
funny thing is i had all most the same prob with my old NETGEAR WNR2000 for just over one year when i got my 50mb so just over a year complaining to NETGEAR got a fixed firmware that has worked with no problems for just over 2 years now one prob that i had was that the remote admin even when off was on and was set to port 80 and as i run a home web server this pretty much bugged that up so had to ues my old router and at 1st i got from NETGEAR i dont see nothing wrong with that emm it dont work i still got the vid i made to show them as well. (bot) now i have the super hub :erm: :dozey: lol remote admin on the R30 firmware wont turn on portforward and dmz dont work so had to put the (not so super hub) into Modem Mode and ues my NETGEAR WNR2000 for routering the strange thing is though when in super hub mode i got a new ip as i was expecting but when i put it into Modem Mode i got my old ip that i had on my 50mb modem :confused::confused: lol and i only get 25Mbps to 48Mbps https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/09/3.png but only had the 100MB for a day so will give it till friday |
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Its released, me and a few others are not getting the firmware sent tho.
However the answers from VM staff are the people who have failed to get R30 have poor power levels, its possible it seems if the power levels are out of spec for safety reasons it aborts an update. Currently I am not using attenuators so my power levels are high, they plan to send me a tech next week. |
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The other day I had the R30 pushed to my router. We lost internet access - router status was something like "not authorised" and it would not dish out a public wan IP.
I phoned support first thing in the morning when we noticed. We had to wait 12 hours for "updates to run sir" according to India. Sure enough it came back online about 8pm after a few reboots. Not sure why we lost service for a day. Anyone explain this? |
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post it on the community, staff members will take a look and explain.
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Some posts have been removed, due to them being solely argumentative/bordering on abusive.
Repetition of this behaviour will lead to infractions |
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is there any news to when the new hub will be put into circulation and will all areas be given the second supply or just some?.
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VM wont release that information, it'll just cause unnecessary problems. The only way you'll know its being supplied to customers is when customers state they have this, that or the other plus you wont get a choice. Its been stated within this thread already.
What VM need to do is improve the firmware with real intent making the SuperHub function to the best of its ability. |
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I rather doubt the CEO's office will be able to help either as they will be charged extra by the warehouse to send out a specific device which would make it a pointless exercise. |
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So it seems in the case of VM the customer is not always right....
If the devices are known to perform differently or offer different features then I reckon a lot of the inferior ones will be failing left right and centre. See my eBay shop for 24v PSUs folks :) |
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Lol. You should maybe supply them with prepaid SAEs so your customers don't get caught with them at their house when the engineer comes!
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Can we just dismiss the nonsense that the warehouse shelves are randomly filled with similar, but as confirmed by this thread not the same products, that warehouse operatives can randomly wander along and pick. It does not work that way in any warehouse, let alone the Virginmedia BRS, and certainly not in any K&N warehouse. The Netgear 480 and the Huawei 485 will have different SKUs / part numbers. They will arrive at different times and will be staged as discrete batches. It may well be that Wednesday = 480s, and Friday = 485s, but the batching and storage in the warehouse will be discrete. So if the CEO office requests a 485 as the superior device there is no picking overhead, so no additional cost. If you don't understand warehouse logistics, and believe me you don't Masque, then don't misrepresent Virginmedia! :cool: ---------- Post added at 23:32 ---------- Previous post was at 23:25 ---------- Quote:
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I have worked in Logistics unlike yourself so do not try and quote about a job you have no idea about. |
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When there was a SA v+ or a Samsung v+ I couldn't choose, I got given whatever pallet was oldest
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I should have said "will lead to the infractions system being invoked" - the removed posts weren't infractions, repeating them would have been.... I hope you find this link useful - Cable Forum's Acceptable Use Policy |
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I got a samsung(V2) V+ box to replace a older V+ box and I will be getting the new VMDG485 when they come out. All I did was ask ;) I am on my 3rd SH with R30..this firmware mistake must be costing VM a bomb. EDIT=I forgot to say that I got a self install kit(with all the extras) when I got my first SH..because I asked for it ;) |
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So the sticker will say Superhub and be attached to all boxes regardless of make as that is the way the system works.:rolleyes: |
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I expect that the order code will be the same, but the equipment code will be different as it was for the two V+ models
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I don't get my hardware sent from VM Wellingborough-NN8-2DH like most do ;) And yes nice people from VM do give you what you ask for so please stop ;) |
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The new device will also have a version of R30 on it so it could prove to still have the same issue which will show the fault ain't with the supplied kit. ;) |
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2-How do you account for I asked for a self install kit and got one(not from K+H)? 3-How do you account for the new Samsung(V2)V+ box I got(not from K+H)? As I have said all you have to do is ask the right person ;) It's a wonder Kuene and Nagel don't get told off for putting the VM customers private\Mobile phone number on the outside of the box tut tut :) |
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According to my aunt who emailed yodel about this on VM parcels.. yodel said they put what VM want them to to put on the label. At the end of the day how could they(yodel) know their phone number. tut tut VM. Anyway back to the crappy R30 firmware.... |
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By the way read the red part of my signature, I have only had one Superhub since install in February and have trialled both R29 and R30 presently in modem mode with a System Up Time of 34 days 08h:24m:10s, working exactly as advertised. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/10/66.png |
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am I right in thinking the carrier has the number in case of an issue where they, the carrier can contact the person their delivering the parcel to Masque?
whats the problem in the carrier having the destinations contact number? |
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I do think that a them having your mobile number is a prerequisite for this to happen.:D |
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it,s amazing what you get if you work for the company have things from ;) |
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all my delivery tags have been manually removed by myself and then scribbled out. if the material is shredder friendly then shred it once you've got what you ordered which I've done too. theres also scissors you could use to cut the delivery tag into little pieces before putting into the bin or recycle bin. |
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I think you should remove that red part of your sig, since you're not using it as any form of "hub". Either that, or put it back in full "super"hub modem/router/wireless mode for a couple of months, without adding your old router to extend the wireless coverage, then report on how it is. |
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It is still a Superhub so my signature is quite valid just it is in Modem Mode. |
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Peops have been screaming out for modem mode in the Superhub for many reasons, including perceptions of poor wirelss performance. Now that it's here, to have a go at Masque's sig and his tracked record of uptime is somewhat churlish to say the least. |
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The Superhub is yesterdays news now. The VM community forum is naturally still full of griping but Superhub woes no longer account for 50% of it. I seriously doubt that it will ever have features to match the "super" part of its name now that it can be turned into an oversized modem and the customers can use their flexible friends to buy a router to suit their needs to use with it easily.
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Wretched and mis-named device as it still seems to be, I have to agree with kwikbreaks - it's now just an oversized modem. |
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Nobody's gonna answer your question about what is super in that device. You know that perfectly well. Not even the VM bods have gone that far to date. As I said, peops have been waiting a long time to shed themselves of two-thirds of its supposed functions.
It's certainly more "super" with modem mode (R30) than it was without it - even if it isn't "super" at all. So think of something useful to say like Kwikkie did. |
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I have posted previously about my uptime and will keep the Superhub on as long as possible to see how long it stays online. |
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