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You are seriously clutching at straws now. Smoking has never been banned, only the lighting up in public buildings and worplaces. And I think you'll find that was more to do with the scientifically proven health risks involved.

Yes, it would to me. Want that banned too?

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You know I didn't mean it's been completely banned.
we are discussing a partial ban and some others are discussing a total ban. you are using the total ban side of the argument in reply to my view.

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I'm not fussed. I'd just walk away if someones culture was to turn their back on you.

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Because I was under the impression given your attempts to appear rational (and the fact that you somewhat judiciously edited the post you copied from world passports) that you would have a factually based opinion or concept of what constuitutes "western culture".

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What? By Russ telling you that the ban in public places was due to the known health issues caused by passive smoking?
Get real Gary.

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The post was copied by 'world passports' the original post was in uklegal.

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Yes, I'm aware of that, and you edited it to suit your agenda. I doubt the original poster, unless of course it were you, would be too pleased.

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So it's not regarded by opinion and perception to be anti-social as well?

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In what way did I edit it to suit an 'agenda'? and who cares what he thinks? :rolleyes:

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Can't you remember Gary? It was only a few hours ago.

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Of course I can. I'll take that as you don't really think I edited it to suit my agenda after all, then. as you can see I toned the original rant down.

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I wear glasses to drive because I'm very short sighted.However they could be said to cut down on my peripheral vision..and I choose to wear very large frames..could it be argued that wearing the present fashionable narrow frame glasses cut down even more peripheral vision..and where does one end with the banning of things?

We will be banning flat caps next...:D

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How is that relevant to the reason why it was banned from public places due to the health risks of passive smoking?

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You still trying to find wriggle room Gary? :D

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How do you know it was a "rant" Gary?

The original was very much in keeping with the type of anti muslim sentiments you regularly express on this board whilst feigning a lack of comprehension on your part.

In your original cut and paste you edited out "...is a VERY primitive belief".

Why did you elect to do that? I mean it's not like you to be sensitive to the opinions (religious or other wise) of muslims.

Is it the case, contrary to your earlier assertions in this thread, that you actually do understand certain elements of western culture (ie. that it's not generally socially acceptable - nor indeed legally permissable - to rubbish other peoples religion)? Are you trying to appear less ingrained than normal?

Is that your agenda?

You see Gary you appear to be a contradiction of yourself - you openly posit misinformation in relation to muslims and islam in a clear attempt to stir things up, yet here we have you acting as the arbiter of common sense and sensitivity when it comes to insulting followers of a religion which you quite obviously hold in contempt.

It does not help your case, as evidenced several times in this thread alone, that when asked a serious question you revert to childish inane ripostes. If you have an opinion on something it generally helps, not least from a discussion / adult perspective, if you can reasonably explain to others how you arrived at same.

Now, that said, how - in your opinion - does banning the burkha tie in with your understanding of what constitutes western culture?

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We should ban comparisns :D

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I'm not sure you're reading this thread in chronological order :)

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Oh dear Gary, have you been caught out?

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So many assumptions on your part. makes me feel like I have to plead my innocence :)

Here's the original and edited version for others to see. you missed the part out where I changed it to some and not all Muslims. and I know when someone's ranting. they usually post some words in CAPS.





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I don't know what point you're trying to make?
I said earlier Smoking is thought to be anti-social by opinion and perception and that was banned.
and Russ said Smoking has never been banned, only the lighting up in public buildings and worplaces. And I think you'll find that was more to do with the scientifically proven health risks involved.

I didn't say smoking was banned solely because of it being anti-social. It's obvious I didn't mean it has been completely banned. and you're moaning about something to do with health reasons, and totally disregarding that it is also seen as being anti-social.

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Still looking for wriggle room eh Gary? ;)

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You see Gary, you're doing it again - not answering direct questions and reverting to form.

Why did you selectively edit it, what was your reason for doing so?

And again, how in your opinion - does banning the burkha tie in with your understanding of what constitutes western culture?

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Yes. what day you got free Maggy? ;)
and I think it's best we be discreet and do it by PM :erm:

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You tell me. you're the one who said I did it to suit my agenda.

And here you go again with assuming I have to answer something that you think I'm guilty of thinking.

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I'm too much woman for you little boy...;) and I've nothing to say to you in private that no one else should 'hear'

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I've asked how is that relevant to the reason why it was banned from public places due to the health risks of passive smoking?

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I already have.

And you appear to have no issue with my having done so.

No Gary, you're not under any obligation to answer - as I stated earlier, it's an adult thing.

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Having a debate with Gary is like trying to catch mist.

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Wanna bet? ;)

LOL except for the last PM maybe? :D

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Did 'passive smoking' get mentioned before or after I said that? I can't be bothered to check for you anymore.

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I think perhaps it's a difficulty he has with one to one engagement.

That said, I'm pretty sure he'd be quite good at mass debating. ;)

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Good.

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First you saidAnd I quote "So many assumptions on your part" :D

How is it obvious? - you did not state you did not mean that, or were we supposed to assume you meant that.;)

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Because we all know that they sell tobacco in the shops? and the fact that we're all intelligent enough to know Gary didn't mean totally banned?

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But Gary, you keep complaining that people keep making assumptions about what you post - or should we only make assumptions that support your premise?;)

When you stated that tobacco was totally banned, it may have been one of the many mistaken assumptions that you keep providing as facts - how were we to know which it was?

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So when you said
You were definitely saying that smoking was banned because it was thought to be anti-social?
After all, it was posted in the context of Russ' comment about there being no rationale for banning something because it is anti-social.

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I'd prefer if you were to stop acting dumb and questioning the obvious ;)

Because I don't always assume that everbody is as dumb as they come across.

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I would prefer it if you stopped being dumb, and acting innocent, but it's unlikely to happen.

I don't assume that you are as dumb as you make out, but the consistency is making me doubt my assumption.;)

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No. it was said in the context of things can be banned because people regard them as anti-social. if you read the sentence out loud you will see what I clearly meant.

would you have worded it any other way. without the knowledge you have now of it being seen as meaning something else?

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Oh this is logic chopping that only a teenager can indulge in..:rolleyes:

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You used smoking being banned because you thought it was a good example in the context of things being banned because people regard them as anti-social or because you thought it was a bad example?

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Neither.
I wonder if he cares for smoking?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/18.jpg

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So why use it as an example?

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Because she told me to.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/17.jpg

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What's the real reason Gary?

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Tell me Gary, have you discussed your psychosis with a professional?

Taking instructions from a photograph cannot be good for you.

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its on a par with talking to God ;)

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It is worth noting that there is a very distinct difference between "talking to" and "talking with".

Garys circumstance, if we are to believe him, is that a photograph instructed him to draw a flawed analogy.

Admitting that you have taken instruction from an inert object such as a photograph is very considerably more psychotic than having a one way conversation with something / someone.

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My mother was walking past smoking a fag at the time and I had a bit of a brainwave kind of moment.

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Yes. tablets, tablets, and more tablets.

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Or to put it another way - he's making it up as he goes along....;)

In the spirit of Gary's debating technique -

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Even though the anti-social side of smoking wasn't the reason behind it being banned?

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Let me get this right, that's your mother in the photograph?

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Yes/No take whichever one you want. please! :banghead:

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No :(

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Gary, there is no need to be embarrassed or ashamed of your mothers ethnicity. Cultural diversity and tolerance is something which many of us celebrate and encourage. You are free to speak your mind (or, in your case, anyone elses mind) within reason.

I think everyone was getting a bit confused as to where you were taking instructions from and I'm sure I speak for many of the adults on the board when I thank you for clearing up any confusion.

I for one support your stance of stating proudly and and in public that you acted on her instruction and, to be honest, I think your mum is a bit of a looker.

Now, what are your mums thoughts on people wanting to ban the burkha?

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:LOL:

:clap:

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Can I suggest that we get back on track.. Anyones parents' supposed ethnicity is largely irrelavant to this discussion

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I'm not embarrased or ashamed that she isn't my mother. I'm quite annoyed that she isn't.

I did say it wasn't my mother.

She's not fussed.

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What about you, what are your thoughts on the matter?

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I think they should be banned in all places where it's considered a security or a safety risk. a risk where the identity of the person should be visible to others.

I have a bit of a problem where some women muslims only now start wearing them. which may come across as they are being deliberately antagonistic by doing so.

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Why the hell you didn't say that in the first place I'd like to know..:rolleyes:

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Thank you for that, much appreciated.

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Because he has been running you around in circles which is why he posts his anti Muslim threads in the first place. In other words he has yet again made fools out of some.

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Oh I don't think so.I reckon honours are even today thanks to Mr Angry.;)

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Indeed :)

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Because nobody asked. they just ramble on about smoking and how good looking my mother is and stuff. then you get the usual rundown of who I am as a person. sometimes I feel I'm lucky not to be a Muslim with all the persecution I get :D

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So you won't state your opinion but would rather we play twenty questions instead so as to try and understand why you are posting what can only be described as inane drivel.Screw that..I'm not playing that game.Either you state up front what you think or I just view you as a Muslim hater.

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I have a better word to describe that but i will not say it as i will end up getting infracted after Ray Cist makes a complaint. ;);)

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I have stated my opinion many times. I'm only answering what people are asking me during the course of the debate.
and I couldn't really give a damn whether you want to view me as a muslim hater just because you 'want to' :)

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So the lady in the photo is your mother - I knew it!

If nothing else at least you've shown some empathy, based on your own experiences, towards muslims in relation to the varying degrees of persecution which many of them are subjected to as a result of ill informed and largely unfounded prejudices.

Well done.

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But you don't 'answer' anything..you make pointless ambiguous comments that seem to indicate that you don't like Muslims and then when finally pushed to it seem to disavow all that you have said up to that point..I'm not playing that game anymore and I suggest everyone else makes a vow not to be suckered in either.

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Yes Maggy. :rolleyes:

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Nice to see you admitting what Maggy stated - good for you.

I bet you feel better getting that off your chest.....

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Would you know if this vow thing needs a man of the cloth present or not?

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I too am short sighted Maggy and need glasses when I'm driving, the difference here is that glasses are an aid to driving not an impediment.
I like to think that on the whole I am a fairly liberal person with a live and let live attitude, and as I have said in a previous post my disdain for the burka is based on its misogynistic overtones, as I believe this garment is a choice many men make for "their" women to wear. I've no doubt that there are some women who do choose to wear this, but for the ones that don't is it right that in a liberal democracy we throw our hands in the air for fear of offending the very vocal minority.
As for the driving argument the small frame example is irrelevant, a persons peripheral vision is not restricted by these glasses so short-sighted or not you'd still have peripheral vision, something you certainly wouldn't have with a full-faced burka or any other headwear that encased your entire head leaving only a slit for vision.
Is it not madness to be arguing whether a person should be free to drive a half-ton hunk of metal down the street potentially being a danger to all, just so as "they" can observe their religion by wearing a garment that obviously hinders vision?
IMO its precisely stories like these that lose the progressives the argument, and credibility, when it comes to everyday moderate mainstream Muslim issues that so many of our hateful tabloids like to exploit.
There is a time when the overall public good comes before an individuals religious right to engage in an activity that is detrimental to the majority.

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I believe the law here is clear, in that if you are driving with your vision impared you are breaking the law.
However, you actually have to be driving with your vision impared, not just under the impression of maybe having your vision impared.
As someone who has worn shemaghs to keep out the desert sand, peripheral vision isn't affected.

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[QUOTE=Ignitionnet;35007939]You aren't from the States are you? That was one they probably tried for a while along with Al Qaeda and Saddam

Get around don't they!!!

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No - that was the problem with that proposition.

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Visit the Midlands. They are commonplace here.

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It depends on your definition of the burkha too.

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Or Bolton, Oldham, Rochdale to name a few more where you can see a lot in certain areas.

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I was out shopping today, and l had two females standing behind me, and my god, l had to move as the aroma, from them was appalling. I give and take in this life, but my god.

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Would banning burkhas fix that? Or would we be better off passing a law forcing people to spray on some Right Guard in the morning?

Or maybe Far Right Guard? :scratch:

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I personal don't give a crap what people wear in pulblic, I do feel that in high security areas and banks/building sociaties they should be banned.

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Exactly the can be no excuses where security is involved.

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don't allow the wearing of the Burkha in places where all other types of head gear is not allowed.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...ons/icon14.gif
Fully agree with that, 100%...........

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This thread is getting now where, we have people saying 'why ban it' etc. The way l look at it quite simple, If the faith say's all UK residnets must bow there heads to the Burka brigade, would we follow this, NO, Secruity in the UK is paramount, now matter who you are, Burkas have to be banned in this country FULL STOP, none of this crap, they are entiled to wear it, people should tell the residents of this country, who relatives have fallen due to, people wearing clothes to hide the faces that commit crimes, There have been many reports where such people have robbed banks and committed robberies where these items have worn. BAN THE BURKA.

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From everywhere or just those places where face coverings are banned such as security checks?

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Whichever. let him have his own opinion. you have your opinion about it. just like you have your own opinion on whether you like sausages or not.

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It's a discussion forum Gary, I know you have issues with that, but some of us actually like discussing things.
Perhaps you should try it?

I'd like to ascertain whether Arthur believes burkhas should be banned from everywhere or just those places where face coverings are banned such as security checks, as he both mentions security and "Burkas have to be banned in this country FULL STOP"

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I'm just worried that you'll drive him to suicide with your barrage of questions. as long as you don't hold it against him if it's the answer you're hoping for.

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Well it depends if he answers or just responds with "Evasive manouver Gary Lima" :D

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Burka's are a secruity risk, full stop

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So what else would you ban?
The wearing of woollen scarves on a winter's day?
Cyclists in london wearing filter masks?
Workmen wearing filter masks?
Hoodies?
Old ladies wearing scarves to keep the wind from their ears?
All of the above and more?

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Surgeons and paint sprayers.

You have scarves twice. with little old ladies.

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Do you yourself think they are a security risk?

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That's a pretty daft question, Speedy ...

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I only asked him if he thought burkhas were a security risk, I cant remember him saying either way! Hardly think its stupid!! :) :dunce:

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But you quoted him listing a whole lot of other stuff and then asked your question in response. It looks as if you're asking him if he thinks scarves, helmets and dust masks are a security risk ... ;)

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Jet Pilots... Chocks away! :D

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Michael Jackson impersonators... Owwwww! :D

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haha so it does! when I'm typing on a ps3 controller I dont have the patience to clarify what I mean :D Now I've had to type all this just because of you lol actually I see what you meant by stupid now, I shouldnt have took shortcuts so I shall be back with a more detailed post when im done gaming :dunce:

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Let me fine tune something, If you go to the airport, you will be asked if you are wearing a Burka, to remove it, for SECRUITY reasons, if you go to an office, you will be asked to remove ANYTHING that is covering your face, for secruity reason.

My life and my families life are more important than peoples petty arguements about what is covering someones face, at the present moment FRANCE and BELGUIM, are going through parliament to have such item banned, this country should follow suit.

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:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead:

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The argument is mostly if they want to wear it then let them. nobody says that about you wanting to wear a balaclava.