Cable Forum
Page 5 of 5 1234 5
Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page

Cable Forum (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/index.php)
-   Current Affairs (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=20)
-   -   Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/showthread.php?t=33659858)

Peter_ 10-01-2010 10:51
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 


Thanks:)

Sirius 10-01-2010 10:51
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34942293)
what on earth makes you think that the authorities would repatriate any soldier on the day of the march ?
The problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

The families of the fallen should be able to have there family member return quickly and not be held up my this type of march. Hope that makes sense

I have said they can have this march for all i care but not at wootton basset

arcamalpha2004 10-01-2010 10:55
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942296)
the problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??
With respect, the date of the march is known in advance, compared to the death of one of our lads/girls, so any repatriation could happen the day after.
Let them have their march, at the same time allowing as many people and ex military to get down to wootton Bassett and make use of their 500 coffins they say they will carry.

martyh 10-01-2010 10:55
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942287)
I am not and never have been a muslim basher or racist. I find the whole concept of racism disgusting and has no place in our society

how would you react if a group of christians decided to march through WB to object to the troops being in afghanistan?

Maggy 10-01-2010 10:55
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942296)
The problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

The families of the fallen should be able to have there family member return quickly and not be held up my this type of march. Hope that makes sense
Perfectly reasonable and I'm sure that this would be thought about carefully by all concerned especially the PTB who can possibly hold back or speed up repatriations to suit themselves.

papa smurf 10-01-2010 10:56
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942296)
The problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

The families of the fallen should be able to have there family member return quickly and not be held up my this type of march. Hope that makes sense
i would imagine that the two events clashing would fill the hate preachers with joy ,and the ensuing riot would give them exactly what they want .

Chris 10-01-2010 10:56
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34942282)
That is the reason I feel it should be banned is because the intention is to cause distress and get themselves good media coverage with the added incentive of a possible counter protest with some rioting thrown in for good measure.

The town has been deliberately chosen because of the coverage given by the media over the way the town mourns the returning fallen servicemen.

If they feel that this is a necessary march why not try doing a similar march as I have stated in a previous post through a garrison town.

I stand with Sirius on this matter and believe that it should not be allowed due to the location chosen.
Well, the risk to public order is an assessment that the police would make and any march could be banned on those grounds. The rest of it though, is very difficult to justify. In what sense is it fair to ban someone from seeking media coverage? Again, is this just because you personally don't like what they have to say?

Sirius 10-01-2010 10:57
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34942301)
how would you react if a group of christians decided to march through WB to object to the troops being in afghanistan?
The same

martyh 10-01-2010 10:57
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942296)
The problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

The families of the fallen should be able to have there family member return quickly and not be held up my this type of march. Hope that makes sense

I have said they can have this march for all i care but not at wootton basset


thats makes perfect sense ,and the simple answer is to repatriate some were else on that day

Sirius 10-01-2010 10:58
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34942304)
Again, is this just because you personally don't like what they have to say?
Not at all, Its the location.

Chris 10-01-2010 10:59
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34942301)
how would you react if a group of christians decided to march through WB to object to the troops being in afghanistan?
As a Christian, I'd be lining up with the good people of Wootton Basset to tell the protesters to go home. A protest against the war should be made on the doorstep of those who authorise and pay for it - the MOD, Parliament, 10 Downing Street.

However, I wouldn't suggest they should be banned from doing the march just because it would upset me, and a lot of other people.

---------- Post added at 11:59 ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942308)
Not at all, Its the location.
Because it's disrespectful, or some other reason?

Sirius 10-01-2010 11:01
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marty (Post 34942307)
thats makes perfect sense ,and the simple answer is to repatriate some were else on that day
RAF lyneham is where the poor souls are flown into and wootton bassett is the first town they travel through, why should they have to change the airport and why should the town of Wootton bassett be snubbed like that ? .

martyh 10-01-2010 11:03
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942305)
The same

so you think that all groups who object to the war in Afghanistan should be banned simply because they seek the best way to get their point accross ,ie marching through WB to get the best media coverage and make the best point possible

Sirius 10-01-2010 11:06
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34942310)
As a Christian, I'd be lining up with the good people of Wootton Basset to tell the protesters to go home. A protest against the war should be made on the doorstep of those who authorise and pay for it - the MOD, Parliament, 10 Downing Street.

However, I wouldn't suggest they should be banned from doing the march just because it would upset me, and a lot of other people.

---------- Post added at 11:59 ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 ----------



Because it's disrespectful, or some other reason?
disrespectful.

I am not a religious man but i do feel that those returning from Afghanistan who have payed the ultimate sacrifice should be treated with respect and the same for there families. I just feel that this march would have taken away that respect and the sanctity that has built up at Wooten bassist with regards to the repatriations.

martyh 10-01-2010 11:07
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942314)
RAF lyneham is where the poor souls are flown into and wootton bassett is the first town they travel through, why should they have to change the airport and why should the town of Wootton bassett be snubbed like that ? .

and RAF lyneham is the only base we have in country ?whats wrong with using a different base on the day of the proposed march ,and how is that snubbing WB ,i'm sorry but that argument is not washing with me

Sirius 10-01-2010 11:11
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marty (Post 34942319)
and RAF lyneham is the only base we have in country ?whats wrong with using a different base on the day of the proposed march ,and how is that snubbing WB ,i'm sorry but that argument is not washing with me
So your saying that they should move all the kit they have at lyneham, Including the reception area, The police escort vehicles and the security to another base for that day.

martyh 10-01-2010 11:28
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34942320)
So your saying that they should move all the kit they have at lyneham, Including the reception area, The police escort vehicles and the security to another base for that day.

assuming that a repatriation ceremony is needed on that day then yes it's not difficult ,it's not a major undertaking to have the deceased flown into ,say Brize Norton plenty of repatriations been done from there in the past

basa 10-01-2010 19:23
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
I just can't believe the PCness of some on this site.

You claim these people have a right to disrespect our dead soildiers? Try and disrespect their dead terrorists and you'll end up the subject of a fatwah or an arrest warrant.

I feel quite sick.

Hugh 10-01-2010 19:28
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34942624)
I just can't believe the PCness of some on this site.

You claim these people have a right to disrespect our dead soildiers? Try and disrespect their dead terrorists and you'll end up the subject of a fatwah or an arrest warrant.

I feel quite sick.
Try reading the posts, rather than reading what you want out of the posts.

Nearly everyone has stated their disgust at this group's proposed actions - it's just that some of us are concerned that banning their right to protest because we dislike it (and them) intensely, is the first step in banning other types of protest as well.

Peter_ 10-01-2010 19:45
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34942319)
and RAF lyneham is the only base we have in country ?whats wrong with using a different base on the day of the proposed march ,and how is that snubbing WB ,i'm sorry but that argument is not washing with me
Quite simply because we should not have to move aside for them.

martyh 10-01-2010 20:03
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34942649)
Quite simply because we should not have to move aside for them.
not really a convincing argument ,it all boils down to the law at the moment wether you agree with the march or not (and i don't)they do have the right and until there is a change in law then that must be respected and a change of venue for repatriation for one day to avoid trouble and preserve dignity is not the end of the world ,as it happens repatriations will be held back at Brize norton anyway soon when Lynham closes

Kymmy 10-01-2010 20:13
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
islam4UK have cancelled their plans for the march

(links to follow)

---------- Post added at 21:13 ---------- Previous post was at 21:03 ----------

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8451014.stm

martyh 10-01-2010 20:16
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34942659)
islam4UK have cancelled their plans for the march

(links to follow)

---------- Post added at 21:13 ---------- Previous post was at 21:03 ----------

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8451014.stm


told you they would ,they do this all the time

rogerdraig 10-01-2010 20:18
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
would not have to happen if they proposed to march at the same time then the police can stop them at that time due to the chances of breach of the peace happening ! what most of us saying they should be allowed to march are saying is there can not be a blanket ban

there will always be times when even a girl guide march may be banned due to safty reasons

but many just seem to think we can just choose to ignore a sections rights because all of us find them misguided or wrong that will just make us like the countries that we are trying to bring into line with the rest of the world

so march when soldiers are being brought home NO

but march at other times YES

and then we can just ignore them

martyh 10-01-2010 20:22
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34942673)
would not have to happen if they proposed to march at the same time then the police can stop them at that time due to the chances of breach of the peace happening ! what most of us saying they should be allowed to march are saying is there can not be a blanket ban

there will always be times when even a girl guide march may be banned due to safty reasons

but many just seem to think we can just choose to ignore a sections rights because all of us find them misguided or wrong that will just make us like the countries that we are trying to bring into line with the rest of the world

so march when soldiers are being brought home NO

but march at other times YES

and then we can just ignore them
agreed

papa smurf 10-01-2010 20:36
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
next step is to investigate how a man on job seekers allowance has the time to cause so much trouble ,and stir up such emotions as those expressed in this debate :mad:

Stuart 10-01-2010 20:37
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Just FYI, the march is now cancelled..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8451014.stm

martyh 10-01-2010 20:38
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34942687)
next step is to investigate how a man on job seekers allowance has the time to cause so much trouble ,and stir up such emotions as those expressed in this debate :mad:
good point ,how can he be seeking work and running this group so now there must be a investigation into him ...i'm not holding my breath though

Sirius 10-01-2010 21:15
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Excellent news

Stuart 10-01-2010 21:23
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
I have said it before, and I'll say it again.

While I can understand that some groups are angry that we are fighting in these countries and they have every right to be so (I personally think it's a good thing we are in at least Iraq if not Afghanistan as well), they should not protest at the sites where the dead soldiers land or are buried. That is disrespectful.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, the soldiers were only doing what their country asked of them. This should be respected, even if you don't agree with what the country asks.

No, if they have a grievance, they should protest to the Government, who are in a position to change things.

Peter_ 10-01-2010 21:25
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
As above excellent news that this protest has been called off.

Maggy 10-01-2010 21:31
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Well they have got the publicity they wanted without having to actually march..Very adroit.:rolleyes:

Stuart 10-01-2010 21:37
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34942717)
Well they have got the publicity they wanted without having to actually march..Very adroit.:rolleyes:
True, which is one reason why I don't like stories such as this..

As the old saying goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity..

rogerdraig 10-01-2010 21:44
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34942717)
Well they have got the publicity they wanted without having to actually march..Very adroit.:rolleyes:
exactly

frogstamper 11-01-2010 00:08
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34942717)
Well they have got the publicity they wanted without having to actually march..Very adroit.:rolleyes:
One positive thing to come out of this, is that these nutters have shown once again what traitors they are to their home country, something every Brit will have noticed.

Russ 12-01-2010 07:55
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8453560.stm

But hang on - I thought this country bends over backwards not to offend Muslims?

Hugh 12-01-2010 07:59
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943372)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8453560.stm

But hang on - I thought this country bends over backwards not to offend Muslims?
But we are being soft on them - instead of banning the organisation, we should shoot them all, then deport them (not forgetting the lawyers, their families, and anyone who happened to be in a half mile radius of them, or anyone who looked funny at someone else) then send them to an island, make them sleep (rot) in tents, and feed them only bread and water; that would teach them.

Damien 12-01-2010 08:42
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34943374)
But we are being soft on them - instead of banning the organisation, we should shoot them all, then deport them (not forgetting the lawyers, their families, and anyone who happened to be in a half mile radius of them, or anyone who looked funny at someone else) then send them to an island, make them sleep (rot) in tents, and feed them only bread and water; that would teach them.
Yes but that will only get rid of the ones we know about. Muslims are crafty, they will form another group. We need to send them ALL back to Islamistan. Before any of you bleeding heart liberal do-gooders have a go at me some of my best friends are Muslims and they agree with me.

RizzyKing 12-01-2010 09:10
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Because some have less then sensible views doesn't mean the rest of us have to endulge in childish comments does it or are we saying only those that don't have daft views can make childish statements ??. Maybe thats why certain memebrs feel the need to air silly views to counter the childish tendencies of some on here at times.

Russ 12-01-2010 09:16
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
What I consider to be silly views are things like "they do what they want", and "this country is too soft on them" etc.

Kymmy 12-01-2010 09:16
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
They are now officially banned under UK terror laws

Then again ignore what I say as the BBC front page says BANNED and the article says TO BE BANNED :confused:

Sirius 12-01-2010 09:17
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34943415)
Because some have less then sensible views doesn't mean the rest of us have to endulge in childish comments does it or are we saying only those that don't have daft views can make childish statements ??. Maybe thats why certain memebrs feel the need to air silly views to counter the childish tendencies of some on here at times.
Or those that read the wrong type of news paper :LOL:

Damien 12-01-2010 09:23
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943421)
They are now officially banned under UK terror laws

Then again ignore what I say as the BBC front page says BANNED and the article says TO BE BANNED :confused:
Nice to see the government using anti-Terror laws as electioneering tools! :erm:

---------- Post added at 10:23 ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34943422)
Or those that read the wrong type of news paper :LOL:
What usually happens with that is someone will start a topic based on a story which is false, however since it fits into the narrative of how the OP sees the world they ignore that and want to continue the outrage. A good way to do that is to avoid the fact the story is false and instead deflect it with accusations of snobbery about the source.

Gary L 12-01-2010 10:41
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34943374)
But we are being soft on them - instead of banning the organisation, we should shoot them all, then deport them (not forgetting the lawyers, their families, and anyone who happened to be in a half mile radius of them, or anyone who looked funny at someone else) then send them to an island, make them sleep (rot) in tents, and feed them only bread and water; that would teach them.
What he said :D

---------- Post added at 11:41 ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34943421)
Then again ignore what I say as the BBC front page says BANNED and the article says TO BE BANNED :confused:
The banning order will come into effect on Thursday.

Pog66 12-01-2010 10:46
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943394)
Yes but that will only get rid of the ones we know about. Muslims are crafty, they will form another group. We need to send them ALL back to Islamistan. Before any of you bleeding heart liberal do-gooders have a go at me some of my best friends are Muslims and they agree with me.
so your best friends who are Muslims would like to be deported (assuming of course that they are not British citizins?

Damien 12-01-2010 11:03
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pog66 (Post 34943469)
so your best friends who are Muslims would like to be deported (assuming of course that they are not British citizins?
I wasn't serious.

Pierre 12-01-2010 11:30
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943394)
Yes but that will only get rid of the ones we know about. Muslims are crafty, they will form another group.
These ones have been banned a couple of times already and just keep changing the name of their organisation.

They've had far too much publicity out of this already.

Gary L 12-01-2010 11:40
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Verily, the messenger Muhammad (saw) said, "Allah showed me the east of the east and the west of the west and I saw that my authority was over the whole of it."

Therefore, we will one day liberate our land from occupation and implement the Shari.ah not just in Muslim countries but also right here in Great Britain. This is something that we believe in, live by and hope that in our lifetime we will witness.
Duh.. whatever.. :)

Pog66 12-01-2010 12:23
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943475)
I wasn't serious.
sorry Damien - Irony filter not in place

Tuftus 12-01-2010 12:32
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Banning them is all well and good but it will just drive them underground surely?

Damien 12-01-2010 12:35
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Apparently the offence for being a member from Thursday is 10 years. This never would have happened if they hadn't offended people.

Hopefully we can ban the BNP now as well.

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 12:35
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
You know what? I am sick and fed up of the left wing mocking the views of the right wing on this forum. Do you really think your imo over tolerant view is any better than my less tolerant view? If it was up to guys like you this country will be Islamic by the turn of the century either that or over run with immigrants

Hugh 12-01-2010 12:45
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zing (Post 34943506)
You know what? I am sick and fed up of the left wing mocking the views of the right wing on this forum. Do you really think your imo over tolerant view is any better than my less tolerant view? If it was up to guys like you this country will be Islamic by the turn of the century either that or over run with immigrants
Oh, the irony ;) (and btw, I don't think view my view are better/worse than yours - just different; I may disagree with some of your views, but, and here is the irony, I think you are entitled to espouse them without me stating that, by doing so, you will turn our country into a fascist xenophobic society run by the BNP).

And may I also point out previous posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxxxxx (Post 34942193)
Good news :tu:

However just you wait, The role over and surrender brigade will be here shortly to condemn that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxxx (Post 34942223)
Nice one and maybe now the hand wringers will stop spouting that marches like this should be allowed as it is the marchers rights.

Stop wringing your hands and kissing their butts and realise that the vast majority of people in this country do not want to see **** like this desecrating the memory of fallen servicemen.

If they want to have a protest march then they should fly out to Kabul and hold it there.
Let they who be without sin, cast the first stone.;)

btw, I don't know where you get this "left-wing" thing from - I'm a middle-aged, white, middle-class ex-Services Tory voter, who reads the Times, the Telegraph, and the Economist; must be a new definition of "left-wing" I hadn't come across before. :)

Pierre 12-01-2010 12:45
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
There is no point in banning this organisation.

If they want to demonstrate against the war and against our soldiers then let them, it's a free country. They shouldn't be allowed to demonstrate at the same time there is a march or a funeral, of course.

But if they want to demonstrate, peacefully, that is their right.

I don't share their views on Islam, and I don't share their views on our soldiers.

Do I think we're achieving anything by being by Afghanistan? I'm yet to be convinced.

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 12:47
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34943509)
Oh, the irony :)

And may I also point out previous posts




Let they who be without sin, cast the first stone.;)

hey I was simply voicing my point of view. I do not support either side mocking the other. I voice my opinion and am not afraid of my view but this mocking crap from both sides brings nothing to the conversation.

And if you want to use cliches what about "2 wrongs dont make a right" and "dont let them drag you down to their level" and "I thought you were bigger than that"

Hugh 12-01-2010 12:52
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Not when I am having fun, I'm not (bigger than that).....

btw, I didn't think you were a big believer in turning the other cheek? ;)

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 12:54
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
I aint but I was aiming the cliches at you who does seem to be a fan of accepting the crap ;)

RizzyKing 12-01-2010 13:23
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
How about we debate whatever subject without making it personal in terms of mocking, cliches or taunting and accept if not happily that as a forum open to everyone there will always be views from each extreme right through the middle. Seriously it gets tedious on here with certain people who seem to feel they are superior looking to start off topic arguments all the time and makes the whole fourm worse.

I don't agree with a lot of opinions put forward on here as i am sure many on here totally disagree with me but they are valid opinions from whatever persons viewpoint and should get a degree of respect for that. We don't all have to agree with each other but surely we can be adult in accepting that different people have differnt views and if someone is ignorant by someones opinion then either try and educate politely with facts or ignore don't launch an attack on the person.

Anyway since this march has been called off and the organisation that wanted it is soon to be outlawed hasn't the thread run it's course ??.

Peter_ 12-01-2010 13:40
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
I just find it funny that my post has been quoted and my name blanked out, dear me, dear me.:rofl::rofl::rofl:


Little point really but amusing never the less.

Maggy 12-01-2010 14:05
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zing (Post 34943506)
You know what? I am sick and fed up of the left wing mocking the views of the right wing on this forum. Do you really think your imo over tolerant view is any better than my less tolerant view? If it was up to guys like you this country will be Islamic by the turn of the century either that or over run with immigrants
Can I refer you to post #398

Gary L 12-01-2010 14:34
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34943534)
I just find it funny that my post has been quoted and my name blanked out, dear me, dear me.:rofl::rofl::rofl:


Little point really but amusing never the less.
He didn't want to offend you :)

---------- Post added at 15:34 ---------- Previous post was at 15:10 ----------

Quote:
A group of Muslim extremists who screamed 'rapists' and 'murderers' at British soldiers went unpunished yesterday - and called their conviction 'a badge of honour'.
The five were given conditional discharges for shouting 'baby killers' and 'terrorists' and waving placards at hundreds of soldiers returning from Iraq.
Outside court they were surrounded by a mob of supporters and boasted they would do the same again, saying they wanted to see sharia law in Britain.
Quote:
The men, all of whom are on benefits, were each ordered to pay £500 in costs towards the prosecution. Outside the court, they defiantly declared: 'The taxpayer paid for this court case. The taxpayer will pay for the fines too out of benefits'.

Surrounded by other followers of Islam4UK - the group led by so-called preacher of hate Anjem Choudary - they said they would protest again.
Their backers waved a banner saying: 'Islam will dominate the world. Freedom can go to hell'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0cO5oOgPU

Hugh 12-01-2010 15:27
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34943534)
I just find it funny that my post has been quoted and my name blanked out, dear me, dear me.:rofl::rofl::rofl:


Little point really but amusing never the less.
As Gazza so aptly puts it, I wasn't trying to make the point personal, more indicative of an approach - so I believed it was more appropriate to blank out the names.

Glad you found it amusing.;)

Sirius 12-01-2010 15:45
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943505)

Hopefully we can ban the BNP now as well.
Agreed

Pog66 12-01-2010 15:50
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34943510)
If they want to demonstrate against the war and against our soldiers then let them, it's a free country. They shouldn't be allowed to demonstrate at the same time there is a march or a funeral, of course.

But if they want to demonstrate, peacefully, that is their right.
Under those same rules then should the BNP be entitled to walk through Bradford, Luton etc demonstrating against Islam & immigration? I would suspect in both cases that a breach of the peace was a very likely outcome....that's where the freedom of speech argument falls down.

Sirius 12-01-2010 15:58
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34943534)
I just find it funny that my post has been quoted and my name blanked out, dear me, dear me.:rofl::rofl::rofl:


Little point really but amusing never the less.

Indeed, I as a grown up don't tend to resort to child like antics :LOL:

Russ 12-01-2010 16:00
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pog66 (Post 34943598)
Under those same rules then should the BNP be entitled to walk through Bradford, Luton etc demonstrating against Islam & immigration? I would suspect in both cases that a breach of the peace was a very likely outcome....that's where the freedom of speech argument falls down.
Where have you been? The BNP and its supporters often hold marches and protests.

papa smurf 12-01-2010 17:22
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34943424)
Nice to see the government using anti-Terror laws as electioneering tools! :erm:

---------- Post added at 10:23 ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 ----------



What usually happens with that is someone will start a topic based on a story which is false, however since it fits into the narrative of how the OP sees the world they ignore that and want to continue the outrage. A good way to do that is to avoid the fact the story is false and instead deflect it with accusations of snobbery about the source.
what it is to be young and know everything .

Peter_ 12-01-2010 17:26
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34943590)
As Gazza so aptly puts it, I wasn't trying to make the point personal, more indicative of an approach - so I believed it was more appropriate to blank out the names.

Glad you found it amusing.;)
I knew what you were doing and why, but if anyone didn't like such things then they should never post on a forum.;)

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 17:29
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34943550)
Can I refer you to post #398
of course you can but seeing as I have already explained my position and explained I feel the same about each side its a bit pointless

Gary L 12-01-2010 17:31
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Islam 4 UK has been contacted by authorities to (force) shut down its operations, we stress this domain name will no longer be used by us, but the struggle for Khilafah will continue regardless of what the disbelievers plot against the Muslims. It is the duty of all Muslims to rise up and call for the Khilafah wherever they may be. The Prophet (saw) said: "I have nothing to do with a people (Muslims) who live with the disbelivers and do not command the good(call to shariah) and forbid the evil(expose and undermine that which is other than Islam)."
Duh.. whatever..

http://www.islam4uk.com/

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 17:32
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34943509)
Oh, the irony ;) (and btw, I don't think view my view are better/worse than yours - just different; I may disagree with some of your views, but, and here is the irony, I think you are entitled to espouse them without me stating that, by doing so, you will turn our country into a fascist xenophobic society run by the BNP).

And may I also point out previous posts




Let they who be without sin, cast the first stone.;)

btw, I don't know where you get this "left-wing" thing from - I'm a middle-aged, white, middle-class ex-Services Tory voter, who reads the Times, the Telegraph, and the Economist; must be a new definition of "left-wing" I hadn't come across before. :)
sorry you edited your post well after I had finished posting my reply . I guess your a softie rightie then lol of course political wings and cultural wings often flap differently ;)

Russ 12-01-2010 17:33
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34943647)
what it is to be young and know everything .
At a guess, better than being older and knowing bog-all? :spin:

Gary L 12-01-2010 17:36
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943656)
At a guess, better than being older and knowing bog-all? :spin:
Don't put yourself down, Russ :D

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 17:38
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943653)

Quote:
Islam 4 UK has been contacted by authorities to (force) shut down its operations, we stress this domain name will no longer be used by us, but the struggle for Khilafah will continue regardless of what the disbelievers plot against the Muslims. It is the duty of all Muslims to rise up and call for the Khilafah wherever they may be. The Prophet (saw) said: "I have nothing to do with a people (Muslims) who live with the disbelivers and do not command the good(call to shariah) and forbid the evil(expose and undermine that which is other than Islam)."

Duh.. whatever..

http://www.islam4uk.com/
Any Muslim believing this especially the last sentence should be forcibly removed from this country and dumped anywhere else but here ( I know this doesn't fit in with some of the members here ideas and appears to be a tad extreme but then they think anyone who isnt Islamic is evil they go forth and multiply( swap with obvious profanity to suit))

Hugh 12-01-2010 17:38
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943657)
Don't put yourself down, Russ :D
Let us put you down, Gary.

Anyone got the Vet's number? ;)

Russ 12-01-2010 17:44
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zing (Post 34943658)
Any Muslim believing this especially the last sentence should be forcibly removed from this country and dumped anywhere else but here ( I know this doesn't fit in with some of the members here ideas and appears to be a tad extreme but then they think anyone who isnt Islamic is evil they go forth and multiply( swap with obvious profanity to suit))
What about Christians who want Britain to be an exclusive Christian country, should they be booted out?

martyh 12-01-2010 17:47
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943661)
What about Christians who want Britain to be an exclusive Christian country, should they be booted out?

then they wouldn't be christian would they

Gary L 12-01-2010 17:47
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943661)
What about Christians who want Britain to be an exclusive Christian country, should they be booted out?
Do you have an example of that happening, 'some' Christians intent on it happening. or you just supposing?

Russ 12-01-2010 17:49
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943664)
Do you have an example of that happening 'some' Christians intent on it happening. or you just supposing?
I'll go one better - I am one.

Of course I'd like Britain to be more Christian. People on here only refer to the UK as a 'Christian' country when in arguments about Muslims who supposedly 'come here, take our jobs, wanting to change our ways' etc

I can't think of any Christian who does not want the UK (and indeed the world) to be more Christ-like.

I'm just wondering if the current way of thinking on here is just because it's Islam.

Gary L 12-01-2010 17:53
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943665)
I'll go one better - I am one.

Of course I'd like Britain to be more Christian. People on here only refer to the UK as a 'Christian' country when in arguments about Muslims who supposedly 'come here, take our jobs, wanting to change our ways' etc

I can't think of any Christian who does not want the UK (and indeed the world) to be more Christ-like.

I'm just wondering if the current way of thinking on here is just because it's Islam.
Liking it to happen and thinking it has to happen, are two different things.
you don't think a non Christian is a bad person do you.

martyh 12-01-2010 17:57
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Islam 4 UK has been contacted by authorities to (force) shut down its operations, we stress this domain name will no longer be used by us, but the struggle for Khilafah will continue regardless of what the disbelievers plot against the Muslims. It is the duty of all Muslims to rise up and call for the Khilafah wherever they may be. The Prophet (saw) said: "I have nothing to do with a people (Muslims) who live with the disbelivers and do not command the good(call to shariah) and forbid the evil(expose and undermine that which is other than Islam)."
well if this drivel that Garyl found is inspired by any sort of religion then i'm pleased i'm not religious and it does tend to justify some peolples dislike of muslims

Russ 12-01-2010 17:57
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943668)
Liking it to happen and thinking it has to happen, are two different things.
you don't think a non Christian is a bad person do you.
Not only would I like it to happen, I also want it to happen. I'm not part of any pressure group out to make changes. There are a lot of similarities between what the Muslims in that group want and what Christians usually want.

However it seems those following Islam are more forceful in their view - as I said I'm not part of any Christian pressure groups who want a total Christ-like state and neither do I know any. But it seems the aims (not the means) are very similar.

martyh 12-01-2010 18:00
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943671)
Not only would I like it to happen, I also want it to happen. I'm not part of any pressure group out to make changes. There are a lot of similarities between what the Muslims in that group want and what Christians usually want.

However it seems those following Islam are more forceful in their view - as I said I'm not part of any Christian pressure groups who want a total Christ-like state and neither do I know any. But it seems the aims (not the means) are very similar.

i always thought Christians were supposed to be tollerent of other religions :confused:

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 18:02
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943661)
What about Christians who want Britain to be an exclusive Christian country, should they be booted out?
depends on if the way they want to enforce it is by blowing us up or killing us all

Russ 12-01-2010 18:02
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34943676)
i always thought Christians were supposed to be tollerent of other religions :confused:
Yes, agreed. No intolerance anywhere there.

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 18:03
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34943676)
i always thought Christians were supposed to be tollerent of other religions :confused:
Russ was just trying to turn it around on me and failed I think lol

martyh 12-01-2010 18:04
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943680)
Yes, agreed. No intolerance anywhere there.
glad to here it for a moment there i thought you had gone all muslimified ;)

Russ 12-01-2010 18:06
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zing (Post 34943681)
Russ was just trying to turn it around on me and failed I think lol
There's no competition but I doubt I failed - your post stated that 'any' Muslim agreeing with it should be deported. I'm questioning why you say any 'Muslim' and not just 'anyone'.

danielf 12-01-2010 18:09
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943671)
However it seems those following Islam are more forceful in their view - as I said I'm not part of any Christian pressure groups who want a total Christ-like state and neither do I know any. But it seems the aims (not the means) are very similar.
Could it just be a matter of Christians customs and values being more ingrained in our society, so Christians feel less compelled?

zing_deleted 12-01-2010 18:10
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943685)
There's no competition but I doubt I failed - your post stated that 'any' Muslim agreeing with it should be deported. I'm questioning why you say any 'Muslim' and not just 'anyone'.

because I am pretty sure none Muslims would not support the Jihad. Of course if anyone is stupid enough to support it and are not Muslim obviously do not realise that if the fundamentalists get their way anyone who isnt Muslim has to be dead maybe deserve what they get lol

Gary L 12-01-2010 18:10
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943671)
However it seems those following Islam are more forceful in their view - as I said I'm not part of any Christian pressure groups who want a total Christ-like state and neither do I know any. But it seems the aims (not the means) are very similar.
Islam are forceful in their view. 'they' see it as a written law that anything other than their own beliefs are wrong and evil. it is their duty to fight it.

they are not peaceful about it. they will kill and have killed for it.
they keep calling their fellow muslims to do their duty, which a lot of them don't want nothing to do with it, and then you have those that will join up and do their duty.

Which could answer your "I'm just wondering if the current way of thinking on here is just because it's Islam" question.

Russ 12-01-2010 18:12
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943691)
Islam are forceful in their view. 'they' see it as a written law that anything other than their own beliefs are wrong and evil. it is their duty to fight it.

they are not peaceful about it. they will kill and have killed for it.
they keep calling their fellow muslims to do their duty, which a lot of them don't want nothing to do with it, and then you have those that will join up and do their duty.

Which could answer your "I'm just wondering if the current way of thinking on here is just because it's Islam" question.
Didn't realise you knew so much about Islam - I've always thought that 'some' of Islam is deliverately misinterprited to make it hostile.

Gary L 12-01-2010 18:15
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943693)
Didn't realise you knew so much about Islam - I've always thought that 'some' of Islam is deliverately misinterprited to make it hostile.
I've always thought 'all' of Islam was untrue, and it was not all but just 'some'

Maggy 12-01-2010 18:17
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
So now the topic of this thread is now moot I fail to see why it should become the usual theism versus atheism.:rolleyes:

Chris 12-01-2010 18:22
Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
Time to draw this to a close, I think.


All times are GMT. The time now is 17:24.
Page 5 of 5 1234 5
Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum