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I think the cap is a good idea, but not if it's gonna be a 2 tier system... Make the cap compulsory for everyone and that'll even a few things up..

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I heard 3 teams are joining next year, one being a US based team with a woman driver.

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If costs are capped it will make it easier for new teams to enter. But, in the current economic climate how many people are going to stat a venture that is all about spending money rather than making it :confused:

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The number of cars of the grid is increasing from 20 to 26 for the 2010 season, allowing the entrance of 3 new teams. That American race team made it very public that they wanted to enter with their female driver, so I'd expect to see them next year. Pro Drive could also be another team, as they have had interest in the past couple of years, only not entering due to trouble with all that Spy stuff IIRC.

That's 2 of the 3 teams. But if Ferrari, Red Bull, Renault and Toyota do quit, that's an extra 5 spaces, which I don't think anyone could fill.

I'm all for saving money especially in the current economic climate, but it is starting to tear the sport apart.

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the problem with F1 is that you have the FIA making up rules the teams don't want so that FOM can take the teams to circuits they don't want to race at. There comes a point where the teams end up saying we want these rules and we want to race in these places and with no say in that asking them to race against two different sets of rules was always going to cause something like this.

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It'll be about time, but I don't know how the more "flamboyant" commentators they will contain themselves, to be honest.

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Does anyone know, if any action has been taken against Circuit de Catalunya, for the abhorrent display by some fans.

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i'll hold fire on USGPE until they actually enter. Although we will know that by the start of June as the closing date for entries is the end of this month.

I think they would like the publicity of a female driver but from the US there is only really Danica or Sarah Fisher, Sarah has driven an F1 car but hasn't had a great career, and Danica isn't great on road courses so that might be one for further down the line.

I know the circuit is being looked into but this time it was one fan and is being looked into as a lone nutter much like the priest at Silverstone a few years back

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LOL, that priest was hilarious!

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Look back to F1 in 1976:

http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/drivers/galica.html

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Giovanna Amati, the last F1 female driver. Tried to qualify three times but never made the grid. Does that count ?

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the last woman to drive an F1 car was Sarah Fisher who did some demonstration laps in a McLaren at the US GP a few years ago.

Giovanna ended up having an affair with Niki Laudi. She was at a disadvantage in that the car she had was rubbish, future world champion Damon Hill only got it on the grid twice.

Desire Wilson did win a F1 race at Brands Hatch albeit a non championship one

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Danica will be rubbish in F1. Bourdais was a 4-time ChampCar champion and hasn't done brilliantly compared to Vettel. Her road-course record is worse than other esteemed IRL drivers. Publicity stunt, nothing more. I rate Sarah Fisher more than her.

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I was aware of these ladies, but I was referring to a concerted and contracted effort to included women in Formula One. The unfortunate record of women in the sport has not exactly set the world alight, the sport's most successful woman driver, Lella Lombardi, scored only half a point, in the nineteen seventies. But in the modern guise of the sport there has to be a different breed of driver, not just women, but men as well. I think the competitiveness of the men in today's sport is variable and needs shaking up. I do believe actively encouraging the inclusion of women into the sport will show how far it has come in today's world. The apalling displays of racism shown by many fans in Spain and in other country's around the world, shows that now, more than ever, the sport HAS to show that it supportively encourages equality, fairness and inclusion. Change HAS already happened, but it needs to sustain and grow for the sport to survive. In today's media world, where access to the sport has never been wider, any woman coming into the sport will have one hell of a point to prove and will be scrutinised, examined and dissected more than any other driver. We thought that had happened (pointlessly, in my opinion) with Lewis Hamilton, but this will be something very different.

When this happens, it will leave only one more bar to becoming a Formula One driver and that will be money.

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well if a woman wants to get into F1 fair enough but I don't see why F1 should have a woman just for the sake of it.

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Ferrari has failed in thier bid for an injunction to stop the changes introducing budget caps for the 2010 season

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8058903.stm

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WOW, about time all the teams got thier heads together and decided on a single line of thought...

All of them have now said that they'll quit if the budget cap goes ahead...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8064314.stm

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could be a very small grid lol if they dont listen to the teams

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Todays times for the final practice and qualifying

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Button wins Monaco GP! Cracking race from Button, and the Brawn Team. Ferrari have come a long way forward too.

Race results:

1st. Button
2nd. Barichello
3rd. Raikkonen
4th. Massa
5th. Webber
6th. Rosberg
7th. Alonso
8th. Bourdais
9th. Fisichella
10th. Glock
11th. Heidfeld
12th. Hamilton
13th. Trulli
14th. Sutil

OUT:

Buemi (went into the back of Piquet Jr)
Piquet Jr
Vettel (crashed - couldn't manage tires)
Kubica (forced to retire to the pits)
Kovalainen (crashed)
Nakajima (crashed last lap)

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Anyone thinking that it is a good job they didn't adopt the driver with most wins in the season wins the cahmpionship idea. Button would have that nearly sewn up soon. It's such an amazing turnaround for him :tu:

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I was thinking the same thing, i always thought that wouldn't be workable.

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I feel sorry for a lot of the younger drivers who should have taken Jenson's place after the conract fiasco when he tried to lie his way out and onto the Williams team.

As for Monaco it's not one of my favorite tracks due to the narrowness and being less forgiving and it's a shame that it's one of the tracks most likely survive purely due to it's location :(

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It rally is an amazing achievement for Reubens, Jensen and Ross (as well as the rest of the team).

Can't say that I really warmed to Jensen Button. I thought he was all talk and no trousers. He was a bit cocky, pushed the rules and never really got anywhere. Kind of reminds me of a young Ralph Schumacher (although Ralph had achieved more in his early career).

I have said this before, Jensen has served his apprenticeship now, he has suffered the hard knocks and is now ready to take his place amongst the greats. His career is now more akin to Mansell. Let's hope he can maintain the momentum.

Well done to everyone at Brawn.

I think that this is a lesson for the younger drivers who think that if immediate success doesn't come their way, if they are prepared to work hard, it will come, eventually.

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The Williams team have been temporarily suspended from the Formula 1 teams association for breaking ranks and signing up for the 2010 season.

Source: BBC news

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so much for FOTA sticking together eh. There was another meeting today and the deadline for entries is Friday. Could be an interesting week

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What do FOTA actually do for the benefit of the teams? By Williams being suspended from it will they lose out on any 'benefits'. Are all teams member of FOTA? And if so does that mean that all the other teams object to the cap?

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FOTA I think was supposed to make it easier for the teams to put forward a unified voice when dealing with FIA and F1 managment.

In other words sort out the problems between themselves and they then have a much more stronger group with which to get a better say in F1

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Think of FOTA in the following way - FISA/FOCA war in the 80s, FIA/FOTA war this decade.

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it's similar to the GPDA , Grand Prix Drivers Association.

The teams don't get anything from it except that get to talk to the FIA via one voice. Before none of the teams could agree on anything which meant the FIA could basically do what it wanted with the rules, or use their competitive instincts to their own advantage by talking to a few teams to get what it wanted.

Now the teams have formed FOTA and are working together, which means if they can be bothered they can write their own rules, AS the EU said they should be, and then once they start doing that it's only a small step to then sort out a TV deal and run your own series, which the FIA could still police. The teams generate 100% of the income and get only get 50% of the profits with the other going to a management finance company who don't do anything at all

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Aston Martin to race in F1 by 2012.

http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.top...ton-martin-f1/
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75664

Anyone go for more than 20% this will happen ?

Hope it does though.

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Aston Martin are owned by Prodrive who were the last team allowed into F1 a few years back but that never happened due to the customer car rules changing.

I think all the new teams are dependant on what happens with the budget cap. If it stays at 40m then they can come in ok. If it changes to 100m then I can't see how they will raise that money and build a new car.

Today is the so called last day for entries so will be interesting to see what will happen. Toyota are rumoured to be pulling out anyway

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Dave Richards has never been out of F1 ;) This Aston Martin team just makes it official :D:D

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I certainly do hope we see an Aston Martin branded care on the grid in the near future, it could happen as prodrive don`t do Subaru rally now.
Still i can`t see what benefits they would gain from it. Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motor racing but these latest shenanegins make it a laughing stock.

What chances a breakaway? very slim i`d say:nono:

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They do do Subaru rally, just not for the official Subaru team ;)

Prodrive does a lot of technical work for a lot of the F1 teams so thier joining F1 as an actual team was expected from them a long time ago.

Anyway coming forward 2 seasons currently the following have signed up for the 2010 season before todays deadline

• Williams
• Team US F1
• Spain's Campos Racing

with the following expected to submit applications before the end of today

• Lola
• Litespeed

With the other usual teams still arguing with Bernie and Max ;)

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FOTA have agreed to enter the Formula 1 World Championship until 2012, but only if certain 'conditions are met'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8072295.stm

I knew they wouldn't leave, it would cause them more harm and good.

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as we all knew it was just smoke and mirrors and they would enter but there are conditions. Now the FIA have to either accept that or they don't have enough teams for next year. it's more a power battle than anything else

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Well come 12th June we'll know who's in and if anyone is out. WHat do people think about the the rumours that the FIA might chuck out one of the current teams to allow the newbies a place?

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Where does this come from?

I doubt they would kick out an estabished team.

ASTON MARTIN :drool:

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It was within the 606 chat on the bbc website, especially in relation to Toyota

They do have (if everyone has applied) 15 teams for 12-13 slots

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This may well open the door for a couple of the established teams to withdraw, there have been rumours abound concerning Toyota,BMW and Renault.

Personally i like as many differant teams with all differant permitations be it engines, tyres (come back Michelin and Good-Year) etc........
I`d hate to see it end up like indy-car with just a few engine suppliers and very little differance in the cars. I think the variety is was makes F1 so special.

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You could have that many teams.

They could do the qualifying with the bottom 2-3 team not racing.

Have the new & bottom tier team have to pre-qualify (they did this before)

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Just for everyones info the teams that have applied for the 2010 season are

The current 10 and Team Superfund, Prodrive, Litespeed GP, Campos Meta Racing, US F1 and former F1 team Lola.

So that would make a total of 16..

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I wonder who'll get the nod, my money would be on USF1 & Lola and if Toyota drop out (as per talk) then Prodrive.

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Max Mosley has hit out at the teams threatening to leave F1. He's said they are free to leave and start their own series if they want to make the rules. Or accept the rule changes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8083296.stm

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I seem to remember him saying the same thing when the GPMA was set up, and Bernie quickly flushed that from the F1 system! :D

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The British Grand Prix should be at Donington park next year, after the court settlement with the tracks owners.

Source: BBC

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Qualifying for the Turkish GP starts in 25 minutes :)

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Enjoyed that qualie session a lot, seems that the tyres are pretty evenly balanced over a few laps, wonder if the primes` will go off after ~10 laps.

Even if they do the Brawn`s especially Jenson seem to handle the wear better..

Looking forward to a good race tomorrow, might even see some overtaking oops::Sprint:

Button or Vettel........???

Some info on the fueling http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?T...neral&id=46063

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Button :clap:
Webber
Vettel

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Agreed, Button was sublime, lets hope for a repeat performance at Silverstone...

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Fota have agreed to scrap kers for 2010.

Source: BBC

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Button was almost flawless. One or two little mistakes, out of line and that, but other than that it was perfect. Shame for Vettel, I like him. He made the mistake and couldn't minimise the damage.

Lotus are interested in a return to F1...that's an old name.

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The Lotus name has been bought by the litespeed team and hopefully will get the nod to run next season.

Source: BBC

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Please, Please let then run next season!!!!

I'm a bit of a Lotus nut as you can see from my JPS Team Lotus baby.

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I think one thing I have noticed this season is that the new rules for this year still haven't helped with overtaking. We saw it at the last race and this one that if you are faster than the car infront then you still can't overtake.

i think the only solution is to make it so the cars rely more on mechanical grip than aero grip, make the aero grip less then 50% of the car and then you might see a change.

Interesting news about KERS although not sure what the FIA will make of that. KERS is Max's baby and I can't see him agreeing to drop it

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The new rules have "improved" matters although they would never have solved all the problems with following another car. As you say though more needs to happen to put more emphasise on mechanical grip.

KERS, implemented well is a potent and big advantage, unfortunately we have only seen it on cars which are underperforming at the moment and would be without it. This I fear is going to resign it to the bin as underperformance and KERS is now linked.

I would really love to see it implemented on a front running car to highlight its actual effectiveness, I doubt this will now happen however.

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i think part of the problem with KERS is that it is limited to 6.5 seconds a lap and an extra 80 bhp so once the teams have that, apart from making it smaller and lighter there isn't much more they can do with it. If it was unlimited then it would be up to the teams to get back as much energy as they could and then it might be developed more

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Jenson's had a major crash with his car flipping over off the track

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8092649.stm

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ha ha

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Nice one Kymmy, when i first read it i thought "oh no" he`s done a Hamiltons dad, then when i watched it excellant....!

Notice how competitive they both were, suppose that`s just scalecextric, after all these years still the best.

BIG :tu:

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Haha, loved it!

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That goes to prove that "Buttons aren't Smarties":D

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Well todays the day to find out who's successful for next years line-up

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my prediction is that nothing will change. All the current teams will be there along with Prodrive, Lola and AN other

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Current headline only is

Which doesn;t tell us anything really :(

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Ahh, more

So no Lola or prodrive :confused:

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A more detailed report @ http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76045

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so as I said above in the end nothing happened at all.

The FIA are still in talks with the FOTA teams but they are all on the list. Shame Prodrive didn't make it onto the list

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I think pro-drive was a last minute enry, I think they're more geared up for 2011

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More info here.

Source: BBC

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26 cars! That`s more like it, hopefully this will increase the spectacle somewhat.

Looking forward to next year more :bump::Sprint::bump:

Now all we need is for Cosworth to do an engine....

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Cosworth is the engine supplier for the three new teams

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And then we'll see the re-introduction of the 107% rule for qualifying to get rid of all the cars that can't keep up.

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Won't happen, the grid's about 2 seconds apart on the long tracks. I reckon they'll be within that. ;) USF1's a dead cert, Manor I've never heard of, and Campos have GP2 pedigree, hopefully they can make the same kind of step up that Paul Stewart Racing (PSR) aka Stewart Grand Prix did from the lower formulae, and Minardi from F2 to F1 in the 80s.

Lola and Prodrive missing out this time is a surprise, but they have more sports car pedigree so it's not such a big loss. Lola would be lucky to survive again this time around after Mastercard royally screwed them over.

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Manor are being designed by Nick Wirth who was behind the Simtek team of 94. he also worked with Benneton \ Renault in the late 90s too.

Lola aren't the same team anymore and Martin Birrane has setup a new ring fenced company for the F1 team, think they would have done ok if they were let in

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Prodrive missing out is definitely a surprise - Dave Richards has the pedigree to succeed in F1, in my opinion - I wonder if there is a 'face fits' issue with the likes of Bernie when new teams are being considered???

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Bernie didn't get enough £££'s in the brown envelope :shocked:

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sadly you may be correct :dozey:

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Thanks Kymmy didn`t know that, you`ve made my day :nworthy:

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What price on a breakaway series ? Do they really think that the current situation is sustainable...

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre.../fia_fota.aspx

http://www.teamsassociation.org/pres.../press-release

Dismayed of Warrington..............

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WOW... Nice article by the FIA

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BTW, for all those wanting the British GP to be in HD...well I don't think looking at the tv schedules that it's gonna happen this year...maybe next...

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still can't see any chance of a breakaway series being formed. Toyota and Renault are both losing money and so there is no way their boards will sanction the money needed to get a new series off the ground. I don't think BMW or Mercedes are in great shape either. RBR will just end up going into sponsorship with Red Bull too.

To get a new series off the ground they need contracts with circuits, they can't use any current circuits due to the FOM contracts. They need TV broadcasters across the globe and that will take time to sort out, plus with the credit crunch everyone is cutting back.

Plus they need rules and i'm sure if they tried to use the current F1 rules they will be copyrighted and so end up in the courts.

They also need someone independent to oversee the rules and series.

ALL the races are filmed by FOM now so nothing the BBC can do until they upgrade their equipment to film it in HD

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Lola has given up :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8105474.stm

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I'm sure I've heard from the mid-race commentary (can't remember which commentator) that the race is recorded by a local TV company in that country. That's why we don't always see the action. That transmission is then sent to FOM, then to the broadcasters across the world.

Edit; I swear the Australian GP is recorded by some Australian TV company.

I could be wrong though.

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that used to be the case but then due to all the complaints and the fact that local directors would only focus on local drivers this was changed about 3 years ago. Now all races apart from Monaco, Japan and Brasil are done by FOM. The BBC will not be filming the British GP and so there isn't any HD available.

Fuji TV have filmed the Japanese GP in HD in the past but that is just locally the feed that goes international is still in SD.

This is discussed in depth over on DS if you want any more info

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Just to clarify, all the current F1 teams except Force India and Williams, who were suspended from FOTA for submitting unconditional entries for F1 2010, have announced as part of FOTA that a breakaway series is going to be formed.

Bernie, and Max especially, have some serious humbling to do if they want F1 to stay the premier motor racing series in the world.

Reminders of FISA/FOCA anyone? Or the super-licences row in 1982 that kept drivers out of practice until just before the South African Grand Prix?

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So, only ten cars for next season. This has the potential to sound the death knell for the sport. Ten cars is not enough to maintain a sustainable series.

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It won't be ten, there was somewhere in the region of 10 to 15 new entry applications so no doubt they'll take the places of the FOTA teams.

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I still can't see a rival series getting off the ground this late in the year. This annoucement was made at midnight befre the FIA got their annoucement in. it was timed so that the FIA have time to back track before the deadline today

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Personally I think it is time for Max and Bernie to go. I have religiously followed F1 and Motorsport in general since the early 80's. Bernie lost touch with the fans so long ago its untrue and Max seems totally unable to accept any form of compromise that would require him to back down.

For the sake of the sport and the innocents, like all the mechanics and engineers with the teams I really think the FIA must see compromise and, allow the teams a soft landing on the budget say three years to get to £50M budget. I also think the teams should have a say in the rules.

Just my two penneth.............

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I personally can't see F1 succesfully continuing without the major teams... For gawd sake Ferrari, Renault, Maclaren supporters make up more than half of the spectators..

Yes it would probably shake up the racing itself for the better making it more lively but so does for example non-league football but you don't see that on major TV...

I still wonder why the push for 2010 apps so early this year? and in line with the previous years I also think that this will be sorted and the big teams will be in F1 next year... Though it will be interesting over the next few days to see if any form of breakaway competition is seriously mentioned

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LOL, I typed the above without reading any of the stories apart from the headlines and lo and behold

So 8 major teams against Max/Bernie and 2 major teams....

What would now be good is if Lotus, Lola and prodrive put thier support into the breakaway group and then the F1 would seriously have to look at the new championship..

The tracks (especially north america, silverstone :( Kylami and others could make a major coup out of this...

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Bye bye Bernie & Max

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More on it here.

Source: BBC

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Even better they're discussing it over the video of todays 10am practice session...On the BBC F1 site or the red button

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Whilst watching the practice and listening to the twaddle being banded across by whoever they can find in the commentary box it struck me that this in the end is really how a lot of race/other sports have gone...

Take for instance MotoGP and Superbikes, they're both two very succesful series, one with major restrictions the other more free..

The break away could do a Super-F1 series with all out technology, the americans, Aussies and a lot of other countries would love it.. Me I'd watch both.. That then would give a lot of the lower teams to enter an F1 with a budget cap and get themselves up and running

Just a thought ;)

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I'd be gutted if Sky got hold of the new series though meaning you would have to pay them to watch it live.

I'm hoping that it'll all be sorted out and Mosley will back down or risk breaking up F1 forever.

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I still can't see a breakaway series happening and this is all just talk to force the FIAs hand.

What the FIA have realised after Honda pulled out last year as that with a manufacturer dominated sport the manufacturers can pull out any time they like as Toyota and Renault want to do due to losing too much money.

The FIA are trying to get more sports teams into F1, teams that rely on F1 as their core business and not just for marketing reasons.

All the FOTA teams want is to use F1 for their own ends, they want to go where ever they can sell cars and advertise that fact, they aren't really bothered about the on track action and whether there is in any racing.

For marketing purposes a FOTA championship can't be on a subscription sports channel and then just sports fans will watch rather than the general public they are trying to sell cars to. ITV pulled out of F1 as they can't afford it and so on FTA channels that leaves C4 who it wouldn't fit in with and Channel 5.

There are also similar problems across the rest of the globe.

FOTA in 9 months now have to sign contracts with circuits that have to be FIA Grade 1 listed and not hosting a FIA F1 race as the F1 race contracts prevents other top level single seater championships from running. They have to get someone to run and police the series plus promotors. They need sponsorship contracts and a TV deal for every nation across the globe. They also need rules and have to deal with the fact they will also be in court with the FIA \ FOM for breaking existing contracts that tie them into F1.

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How come the poison dwarf and the pervert dictator can wield such power and make so much money out of F1 and make arbitrary rule changes if and when they like ?

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Mainly as they run the event...

F1 is owned and run by a private company, only the rules concerning the FIA championship (for example points, race rules..etc.. have to be OK'd by the FIA)

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yes Bernie runs the commercial side via his FOM company. Max is president of the governing body.

During the 80s they fought for control of the sport and turned into the global behemoth that it is today

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Errr..how can they issue legal proceeding?? There's having a laugh..They couldn't even bring legal proceedings against Honda for pulling out after they'd signed the contract for 2009..

FIA does not own motorsport, nor do the goverern all motorsport...