Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It'll be nagra 3 based, but they could do a whole world of stuff in combination with it as well. Even on an iptv system they'll still want to encrypt the channels.

They are definitely running scared, many of the sites that sell dodgy boxes have slashed their prices since this was announced, they know that as soon as it's rolled out they'll be left with a load of doorstops so are trying to shift them fast.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It's also going to start happening a lot sooner than some people on those 'other' forums think it is :D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This is the best news I have heard in ages! Bit like christmas coming early. Long overdue, Virgin should have been onto this much earlier and the problem wouldn't have got as widespread as it has. :)
Be interesting to see how it affects subscriber numbers next time Virgin release them

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

You are, of course, assuming the Virgin don't get it wrong somewhere..

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Of course I am but I get fed up with people ALWAYS assuming that things won't go smoothly. Of course, time alone will tell.

Then we'll get the odd person on here saying they didn't get all their cards and everyone will think that the problem affects everyone........

I'm looking forward to all the cable stealers getting upset in their fora.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I must admit to having a sneaky peek at certain other forums and enjoying some of the posts.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

lol.....you went on the other site to find out how to do things.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

:D No, but I can report that there are a few upset people on the dark side, also a fair few who are still convinced VM are just bluffing. :D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

More fool them. ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

well at the end of the day most of them will say its been a good ride whilst it lasted and maybe it time for them to dig deep in their pockets and use the money they have saved over the years from free tv. However I know most ppl will install a motorised satelite to gain free tv. There are so many ways, one avenue gets closed another one opens.The hack has been around for decades its about time something changes.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Hey Gang,

Just to inform you, if you go to Help and Info on the Home menu and select 'Virgin TV - Updated Oct 09' they have added a 'Your new TV smart card' option with all the information about it. Also, If you go on 'Help Videos' in the help and info menu, they have added the smartcard replacement tutorial video.

Ben :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Is this on the Set top box or online, if online link please.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Set top box

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Just wondering - are the new SmartCards being sent out by Royal Mail - and if so, are there any alternative plans in place to use another distribution service?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

There's not really a need for there to be.
The cards aren't time sensitive, if they get delayed by a few days it's really no big issue, the timescale for the switchover is not going to be anywhere near tight enough that a delay in delivery will cause any problem.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I did refer to a specific period of time.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Interesting use of the third person in your post! Will you be changing your name to glumcard soon?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Nope will be changing my name to satcard

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Nice and hopefully this will stop those sodding kids near I live from going into the grates and messing around with VM's wires :mad:

Also does anyone know if the company has put anything in place to stop their own staff from leaking technical information that maybe used to compromise the encryption?

Any word on if they will be attacking those with dodgy modems next?

Can you get many decent stations using the motorised dishes?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Hey i have just been over to the DARK SIDE ( the faulty forum pages ) , but not to see not to see how to do things and it seems that they are running scared as on one of the threads they have lost their tv in LEEDS,BRADFORD,WAKEFEILD AND BARNSLEY so it seems thet it seems to have them sh****ng themselves.

But on another note has anybody else noticed on the v box in the tech section that every couple of days there is a number that is climbing up it started at 8886 and now is at 8890 can anybody shed any light on this ?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Yes i have been having a look on other sites :D Yes it is going to happen :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

*evil laughter* 'happiness at the thought of people not messing with cabs to obtain free TV = less work' LOL :D Someone's very happy I can see

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

i don't want to spoil anyone fun but it's been confirmed that n3 has been hacked the card has been dumped , the hack will not be released until n3 is rolled out nationally.

Dumping is the process of extracting the data contents of a card. all areas of the card including ROM (actual card program) and EEprom (data incl keys etc) has all been decrypted it's a matter of time they will all be back up and running and as for vm what waste in spending all that money in sending out new cards.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

How come it was not done in Canada then?

I would not be surprised if that is the case though. There is nothing like someone saying you cant hack this to bring out the coders to try it

What about the systems that do not use cards?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

And do we happen to have a link to this confirmation?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

not one thats gonna be posted dude lol lol

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

it's a hacker from england who has managed to reverse engineer a vm smartcard. Thats all I can say.

he has managed to peel away the 3 extra layers of silicone security chips using a powerful electron microscope and several different acids and lasers until he got to the final precious bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip where all the precious codes are hidden

The bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip is where all the precious codes are hidden not anymore.

At the end of the day the only reason why N1 was hacked was because NDS (SKY) hired a hacker to hack nagra 1 NDS was working on this for 6 weeks so they hired a hacker who managed to do it 1 week for a 6 figure sum. nagra are trying to hack into a nds card and vice versa thats how the business goes.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Well he could always pm me the link :p:

Mind you if it is true I might be tempted to get a cheap box haha

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The ones that haven't been sent out yet?!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Wouldn't the story about n3 being hacked just be the type of titbit that the suppiers of the boxes would spread to try to get rid of all their stock before the true position became common knowledge?

After all who would want to be left with a load of doorstops when there are still gullible punters about who will believe unsubstantiated rumours.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

whats to say someone in the inside aint got hold of one ?

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as I said before there is nothing like someone saying you cant hack something to bring out those who want to try in droves

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Here is just a taster.

Opening of COM1 was successful
ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
31 34 32 20 52 65 76 47 30 31 15
ROM Revision: 180
EEPROM Revision: Mer000
Closing of COM1 was successful


Rom180
ATR: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
31 34 32 20 52 65 76 47 30 31 15

Digital +
ID 7380
key 00: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx ...03-10-2009
key 01: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx ...03-10-2009
key 02: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx ...30-09-2009

key 00: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx ...23-09-2009
key 01: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx ...27-09-2009
key 02: xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx 27-09-2009


802:000000:0040 "cable - Eurosport [N3]"
1802:000000:0301 "cable - Eurosport News [N3]"
1802:000000:02cc "cable - Extreme Sports [N3]"
1802:000000:025a "cable - Espn Classic [N3]

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I reckon fleabay will be full of doorstops soon enough

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So not Virgin Media then - as Eurosport News isn't carried on VM

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

:LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Even though it's not on stream it's still held in the card. Don't want to go into to much deail.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I see no reason to disbelieve this guy. If it is not a VM card it gives possible proof of concept as to how to hack a VM card. I seriously would not be surprised if it is hit within a relatively short period of time myself.

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no offence but do you have the knowledge of this technology to say outright what he posted is incorrect?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

If you google what he wrote you find out that it's not a virgin card and is from Spain or Portugal or one of those countries.

Still they will hack it eventually.

Also he changed 2008 to 2009 on what was posted on the other site

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

as I said proof of concept

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Well tell him a load of porkies and then he'll stop asking you.;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Fair point ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

As i said the info on how exactly it's done is not made public yet for obvious reasons.

I cannot copy and paste the whole dump from a vm card as that would be againts forum rules and stupid all I am saying is that it has been hacked. Yes bits I have got from another site but concept is exactly the same. 5/10 for research Hiroki.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So where did he get the card from?:erm:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

someone somewhere stole it? there are moles everywhere. How was the blu ray release of Star Trek leaked a month ago someone on the inside stole it.If someone has got hod of VM cards then I imagine there are numerous places one could have come from

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

probably from a source inside vm,

---------- Post added at 23:58 ---------- Previous post was at 23:56 ----------

Everything is possible for the right money. maybe it might of been NDS again that paid someone to break the encryption.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So why didn't VM actually give one of the new VM cards to a hacker in the first place to see if they could be hacked..or did they already do that?

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And how much would one of the new VM cards have been worth to sell to the hacker?How much for possibly putting your job on the line?:erm:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It's kudelski who writes the encyption not vm and am sure they probably did.

---------- Post added at 00:06 ---------- Previous post was at 00:04 ----------

you ask a vm engineer he would probably be happy with £50 he just handing over a piece of plastic. The new cards have been given for a while now with all new installs.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

£50!! That's just stupid..this is an illegal industry worth millions and anyone getting their hands on a hacked card surely is prepared to pay more than that surely?:)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

thing is I would imagine once it is hacked and up and running the cards will be cheap . Its the boxs where they make the money. 2 VM engineers earlier this year installed 2 v boxes both modified and hacked cards for £300. Not to me btw a guy up the street I have always paid my cable bills

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I have the knowledge to say the bit he copy pasted is a repost of a post that did the rounds 12 months ago about how n3 was extremely close to being hacked and it was literally days away, one that was pretty soon called out as a hoax.

If n3 is close to being hacked or not I don't know, but if it is, it will have nothing to do with that, and someone coming on here giving a textbook explanation of how smartcards are hacked isn't enough to worry me that it is any closer than it ever has been. Anyone that has the slightest knowledge of smartcard hacking can tell you what it involves doing to physically extract the data.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

why would you be worried anyway? cloned modems have always been a bigger strain on the network than cable boxes anyway

I have seen the original post btw

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Good point zing. I pay my tv license and internet bills so I'm not to bothered if it's hacked or not.

BTW 'Thedon' the concept is exactly the same i'm just feeding you information. Matter of interest is VM owned by your old man? why are ppl so worried if it's hacked. it's not that vm cares about you they just want our money. I pay £35 pm for **** i wished i never took out. You have a problem with your bb you phone vm and your put through to some numpty over the ocean.

TheDon i'll give you 4/10 for research.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

You should be thanking google ;)

So would virgin have thought ahead about the whole hacking situation? Will they have an alternative plan and will iptv stop the whole free tv thing?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Of course the concept is exactly the same as the concept is the same for hacking ANY smartcard, so you get zero points.

My point is that what you've wrote gives no more reason to think it's hacked than the last time forums were spammed with "n3 is close to being hacked!!!!!", and infact gives less reason, because you're just repeating the same things that were said back then.

Feel free to surprise me with something new though, I'm all ears if you can actually do anything but blow hot air around with zero substance.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

IPTV will stop it, but if it did why are they spending money on n3 and dishing out new cards thats what i don't get.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Where has anyone said it is exactly the same encryption as in Europe or anywhere else? It may come from the same company but that doesn't mean it's 100% identical.

I'm not aware of any other cable company running 'N3' and the Cisco IPTV platform together (if someone knows different please provide a link). So who knows what the interaction between the two will be.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I've been up all night working on this and I think I've figured a workaround / crack for this N3 malarkay.

Here's a sample of the code I've come up with:

Payment of Direct Debit was successful
ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
31 34 32 20 52 65 76 47 30 31 15
ROM Revision: 180
EEPROM Revision: Mer000
Acquisition of TV services was successful

I'm pretty sure it'll work - anyone fancy beta testing it?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Sure as soon as I can persuade VM to come cable my street ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Will that work on a card that has not been issued anywhere in the UK yet ?

If it does do you do multiples of 10 in a discrete box via dodgy Dave in the pub.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Well you maybe getting a crap service but I'm not so yes I needn't worry...yet.What happens if that service deteriorates to the point that it is effected?

Also why should I pay full price for that service then..My distaste is for the cheaters and thieves among us who always say that it's theft against the corporation or big business and not the customer.Well thats specious because who pays extra every time the bills go up to cover all the extra security that has to be paid for whether it our DTV or using a retailer in the high street?They may just rely on insurance against loss but they pass that onto us the customer.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

One problem with that:

According to the FAQ they have already been sending the cards out.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I have just been looking at website and wondered if this is what they could all be on about as if you look at one of their partners it is CISCO . It also shows epg andit says that it is fully customable by the company , so could this be what the new cards are for ?

http://www.quative.tv/index.html

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

& here's the original attempt... :rolleyes:

Opening of COM2 was successful
ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 A0 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
31 38 30 20 4D 65 72 30 30 30 28
ROM Revision: 180
EEPROM Revision: Mer000
Error, unsupported card type
Closing of COM2 was successful

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

What are these code samples supposed to achieve exactly?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It's a joke Rob. you can mark it as actioned :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Fair enough, thanks for the confirmation of how I should perform my role :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I think Mr Angry was testing his avatar lol :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

LOL, classic :D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This threads entertainment and BS value is incredible :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Any update on news? Anybody think the hackers will win, or will Virgin TV be for subscribers only?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Long term Virgin will win.

But this is all new so it will have to be tested - that won't be done quickly.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

hollow victory after how many years of chipped/ modified and 3rd party cable boxes being used.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

But at least they are finally doing something about it :sniper:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I wonder how much all this is costing VM :/

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Personally i don't care as long as it works and is permanent.

I hope those in the test areas like there new settop shaped door stops. :LOL:

For those who said Virgin was bluffing


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Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

hahahahaha :rofl:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

All Set Top Boxes and modems should have something similar to this fitted and when they are removed from the inventory a signal should be sent rendering them useless.

http://www.gearfuse.com/destroy-data...p-813sh-phone/

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

thye should never have been removed from the inventory they should have been picked up

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

agreed

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

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Oh most definitely they should be picked up or sent packaging to enable easy return of them.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

When my daughter finished at Uni in July, she was sent the packaging to return the STB (and did so).

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

They seem to for newer boxes, but it should be all to help prevent theft of services.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

My SA V+ box is now working as a free view box seeing as they abandoned it here ( ok I get 1 2 bbc3 bbc4 itv 4 5 citv and a couple of other channels) they left it connected so I aint even done that I just opened the case and disconnected the HDD so it does not make a noise. If I run into a need for an IDE HDD ill just rip it out and use it :) TA VM lol

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Today it finally happened, VM collected my Two V+ STB's

The service was cancelled in February and the boxes have been on top of the wardrobe since then.

The agent collecting the boxes said he had only received the authorisation within the last week to pick up the boxes.

Its no wonder these boxes are pirated if VM are prepared to leave them with a customer for 9 months

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This cracks me up. I would never use a dodgy box or modem but can't Virgin see what is going to happen?

People who have dodgy boxes pay for Virgin internet just to get the wire, then they stick with it because it is a good price.

Once their boxes are useless they will have to pay for TV, show me a single person that would pay for Virgin's substandard TV service over SKY.....oh and SKY give you free broadband too.

In conclusion this upgrade is going to cost Virgin money to implement and lose them money in the long-term.

What they should really do is make the TV as good as Sky, up the price but undercut SKY and throw in free broadband. Can I have a job?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I have VMTV by choice. Infinitely superior for my needs than Sky. V+ and On demand are important to me. I can understand if HD TV is important to individuals that they would prefer Sky but other than that......

VM won't lose revenue through dealing with the service thieves.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

What about the comical TV guide Virgin offer?

---------- Post added at 14:54 ---------- Previous post was at 14:52 ----------

I think the bottom line is the price is just a rip off. Everyone I know with a dodgy box pay for standard Sky and just use the dodgy box for the football, which they will just watch online in poorer quality once their box is useless, using Sky broadband that is!

---------- Post added at 14:55 ---------- Previous post was at 14:54 ----------

It is like cinema piracy these people will never ever pay for the service anyway.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Indeed, they may gain some if the people using cloned modems have really been downloading lots..

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

If you are referring to the epg then I haven't experienced Sky's new HD one, but the VM epg in my experience is far better than Sky. I much prefer a mini screen of the channel you are on than the crap background music you get with the Sky epg.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I'm using standard Sky and have the music turned off. I've not used Virgin lately, do they do 7 days now?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So, you are arguing that because SOME people MIGHT not pay for Virgin, Virgin should, what, allow them to carry on stealing?

If you don't think it's a problem when a lot of people do this, remember On Digital...

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Also does Virgin have series link as that's all I really care about - if they do I may switch if it is cheaper!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The new sky epg has a mini tv too. As for if it's better than the v+ one, well I don't think there's all that much in it to be honest.

I find the v+ easier to use purely because of hte colours, but I also find it slower than the sky one.

MMMmmm. I guess it boils down to choice.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Of course they need to stop it, I made my suggestions in my original post.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

yes

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

shame they are not really much cheaper than sky then. Both firms are stupidly priced, for everything you might want it is almost £60 a month, no bloody wonder cable thieves are out there.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Not sure what the price has to do with it - if you can't afford it or don't want it don't pay for it and don'e use it. You don't have to steal it.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I agree but if they were just a bit more reasonably priced ,they would win so many more customers. They are both as bad, I called sky to ask why my subscrition went up £1 in Sept and was told due to operating costs.........if their costs have gone up £9.5m a month someone is doing something wrong.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Why are they? £9.5m isn't that much when you consider the size of Sky

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

£9.5m a month increase, on top of the £9.5m a month annual increase over the last 7 years. I can't believe anyone can defend the cost of Sky TV. £10 a month extra for a few channels in better quaility that YOU have to buy an expensive TV for too.