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Jelly 21-04-2008 18:11
Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)
so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out
As has been said before many times, cloners and cable thieves can be attributed to increased load on VM's network which they cannot support. This can slow the network down, as well as increasing the price that legitimate users have to pay.

SMHarman 21-04-2008 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)
They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out
Well this will be for a court room to decide as the matter is currently subjudice. Did VM take S1 from you or did Sky over price the product making carriage commercially unviable?

Stuart 21-04-2008 18:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)
so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company
No: When VM change their rules, you are perfectly entitled to cancel your subscription by giving 30 days notice. Check the terms and conditions of service, or, indeed, contracts law..

Quote:

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

Actually, I suspect you'll find it's Sky who took Sky 1..

The fact that a company raises it's prices or has problems with it's services is no justification for theft. Would you go into a shop, pick up an item where the price has gone up in the last week, go to the shop assistant and pay what you would have paid last week? Probably not. If you did, you'd be committing theft and would risk police action.

Why is stealing from a service (such as Virgin or BT) any different?

Generally, you have a legal course of action you can take if you have a grievance with a service or company. You can either stay with it, and hope the company is willing/able to fix the problem, or you can find another provider. That's the beauty of capitalism, choice.

Cloning modems, however you dress it up, is part of the problem, not the solution.

the-cable-guy 23-04-2008 07:52
Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34533246)
Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper ;)
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.
yes ppl should.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34534525)
No: When VM change their rules, you are perfectly entitled to cancel your subscription by giving 30 days notice. Check the terms and conditions of service, or, indeed, contracts law..




Actually, I suspect you'll find it's Sky who took Sky 1..

The fact that a company raises it's prices or has problems with it's services is no justification for theft. Would you go into a shop, pick up an item where the price has gone up in the last week, go to the shop assistant and pay what you would have paid last week? Probably not. If you did, you'd be committing theft and would risk police action.

Why is stealing from a service (such as Virgin or BT) any different?

Generally, you have a legal course of action you can take if you have a grievance with a service or company. You can either stay with it, and hope the company is willing/able to fix the problem, or you can find another provider. That's the beauty of capitalism, choice.

Cloning modems, however you dress it up, is part of the problem, not the solution.
aye

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)
so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out
two wrongs dont make a right mate.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34533368)
Are people who pay for cable but download torrents, movies, music blah blah blah lowlife and **** too? What about those who copy music for friends.

Comeon that is a bit OTT, and for 95 percent of us a pretty hypocritical statement to make.

I could use the argument that I pay for expensive CDs because my cable subscription payment friends download music for nothing. Low life? I think not.
agreed.

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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34533363)
Russ you kind of beat me too it.but just to add, price rises could be cyclical in that those who steal services are forcing prices up.

I would go as far to say those the majority of cable thefts are by people who won't pay, not can't pay. The worst sort of **** in my opinion.
most ppl who steal cable do it cuz they can & we the paying customers get a poor service cuz of it. im on the dole & if i can pay for my services then anyone can, making excuses is just a cop out to make yourselfs look good.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by CableBloke (Post 34531484)
Forget VideoGuard, It's an NDS company and we don't want to give them any more money.
oh brother.

Stuart 23-04-2008 09:25
Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533219)
Perhaps if Sky and VM gave people fair value for money with their subscriptions then people whould'nt feel the need to steal cable. I subscribe to the medium package which costs £11.50 a month for that - it's a small step up from Freeview... it's shocking value for money. But when you have Sky charging over £40 for a montly subscription to watch crap movies, you'd be best placed to go and join your local Blockbuster store. But what really hurts is is the extortionate prices they charge for viewing football matches, I mean over £10 just to watch a pay per view game ontop of your subscription you already pay!!!

If the ppv games were like £2.50 they'd probably get my business.

Sky and Virgin are the people who are pushing up prices, the people who steel cable are simply a byproduct of their (Sky and VM's) greed.
Apologies if I cause offence, but that view is niaive in the extreme. People nick stuff because they can, not because of some moral stance on how they are being overcharged.

Want evidence? Remember the album Radiohead "gave away"? Well, they didn't give it away as such, but allowed people to pay what they wanted for the download. People still distributed pirate copies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34530467)
Perhaps if they took back their discontinued boxes and had a clamp down inside the organisation this topic would not come up.
True.

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34533246)
Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper ;)
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.
Important difference: It is legal to buy cheap fags. It is not legal to steal.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by CableBloke (Post 34531484)
Forget VideoGuard, It's an NDS company and we don't want to give them any more money
Surely the point of buying an encryption system is that it can't be easily broken? If VideoGuard is the best encryption system, it's in VM's interest to go for it regardless of who owns it..

Losttheplot 23-04-2008 09:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34534525)


Actually, I suspect you'll find it's Sky who took Sky 1..
You suspect wrongly. Virgin removed the channels, when their contract ran out.

Stuart 23-04-2008 10:03
Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Losttheplot (Post 34536029)
You suspect wrongly. Virgin removed the channels, when their contract ran out.
Actually, I was referring to the negotiations. Virgin would be legally required to cut the services when their contract run out. From rumours I have heard, Sky weren't exactly co-operative during the negotiations. Something which, while off topic, would seem to be bourne out by the advertising Sky were doing immediately before the loss, and the advertising since.

harryboy22002 02-05-2008 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules (Post 34524168)
I still say if they took there equipment back like they should do there would be less boxes to sell so less people stealing the services
didn;t you know it is not there responsibility to take boxes back ; shows how much they are ripping you off -they dont want them back??

SMHarman 02-05-2008 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules (Post 34524168)
I still say if they took there equipment back like they should do there would be less boxes to sell so less people stealing the services
They missed 4 appointments to collect my boxes when I cancelled my service. They then suggested I take them to my new address and they would collect them from there. OK, I said. Can we take that address then...
Blah, blah, United States of America. Oh, we won't be able to collect them from there. I know, but why is this my problem when you have missed four appointments to collect the boxes?

Toto 02-05-2008 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34536039)
Actually, I was referring to the negotiations. Virgin would be legally required to cut the services when their contract run out. From rumours I have heard, Sky weren't exactly co-operative during the negotiations. Something which, while off topic, would seem to be bourne out by the advertising Sky were doing immediately before the loss, and the advertising since.
:notopic: but :clap:

grabbi 03-05-2008 15:24
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So are the dirty robbing scally's getting their boxes properly interfered with all the time?

Hiroki 03-05-2008 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grabbi (Post 34543758)
So are the dirty robbing scally's getting their boxes properly interfered with all the time?
Nope. New firmware on the boxes solved the key roll problem, the only ones that are having problems are those with clone boxes and ones who haven't updated. :mad:

the-cable-guy 03-05-2008 16:51
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so iv heard

grabbi 03-05-2008 17:27
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Sounds like there is a leak inside the company, letting details out about this...

Sirius 03-05-2008 17:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grabbi (Post 34543851)
Sounds like there is a leak inside the company, letting details out about this...
That's not what it sounds like to me. It sounds like they have a very easy system that can be beaten by any numpty who can visit certain websites.

Makes me wonder why i bother paying for my service. :rolleyes:

Hiroki 03-05-2008 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34543875)
That's not what it sounds like to me. It sounds like they have a very easy system that can be beaten by any numpty who can visit certain websites.

Makes me wonder why i bother paying for my service. :rolleyes:
If it makes you feel the new firmware is either causing a loss of signal (upto only 8% signal) and it's pixelating on most if not all channels :D

G UK 04-05-2008 00:54
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Quote:
Nope. New firmware on the boxes solved the key roll problem, the only ones that are having problems are those with clone boxes and ones who haven't updated.
My guess would be that that is quite a few people, a lot of people who arn't that tech savy would have just bought a box and plugged it in to replace there standard minimum subscription V box. They wouldn't have a clue how it works or why it stopped working. OK they may go out and buy another but theres still a fair whack that would have been knocked off the network

Quote:
If it makes you feel the new firmware is either causing a loss of signal (upto only 8% signal) and it's pixelating on most if not all channels
Err, not wanting to be pedantic but, aren't you missing a couple of words from that, like "any better," otherwise I cant make much sense of it.

Hiroki 04-05-2008 01:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by G UK (Post 34544131)
My guess would be that that is quite a few people, a lot of people who arn't that tech savy would have just bought a box and plugged it in to replace there standard minimum subscription V box. They wouldn't have a clue how it works or why it stopped working. OK they may go out and buy another but theres still a fair whack that would have been knocked off the network



Err, not wanting to be pedantic but, aren't you missing a couple of words from that, like "any better," otherwise I cant make much sense of it.
Haha yeah I missed the words "any better"...sorry about that.

A lot of people would've been knocked off the netowrk because they don't understand how their illegal boxes work which is always a good thing and a lot of people would've been put off once they had to manually input codes.

Virgin have shown that they can put people off from using these boxes and now they just need to go that one step more and just improve their encryption.

supremus 04-05-2008 01:51
Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiroki (Post 34543957)
If it makes you feel the new firmware is either causing a loss of signal (upto only 8% signal) and it's pixelating on most if not all channels :D
Someone must have installed original Virgin firmware by mistake. :)

harryboy22002 08-05-2008 12:15
Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saabmania2 (Post 34526556)
:rofl::rofl::rofl: well said
on another note a workmate of mine told me his friend uses a cloned modem and box so i asked him his address and grassed him up he's currently waiting to see what the police/vm do, one less thief off the network hehe!!:D
you sad person

the-cable-guy 08-05-2008 12:22
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lol i couldnt agree more. however why the hell would someone just give you someone elses address ?

harryboy22002 08-05-2008 12:30
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i have sat here and read all posts ??
and to be honest i think most are from the same people ;that if they were offered something for nothing .would bite your hand off to get it. i see a sure case of sour grapes here,, and suggest you put all your energy into something usefull [this is my personal opinion] and if it offends then i stand by it.
scotty.

supremus 08-05-2008 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34547067)
lol i couldnt agree more. however why the hell would someone just give you someone elses address ?
Quite a few of these stories about turning other people in seem to be at least a little bit flexible with the truth. You can also detect a high degree of bitterness in the tone of many of the posts, as opposed to a genuine desire to do something for "the greater good".

Sirius 08-05-2008 12:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harryboy22002 (Post 34547058)
you sad person
Indeed you are.

Russ 08-05-2008 12:38
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The next forum user who throws an insult in this thread will get infraction points pronto.

the-cable-guy 08-05-2008 17:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34547076)
Quite a few of these stories about turning other people in seem to be at least a little bit flexible with the truth. You can also detect a high degree of bitterness in the tone of many of the posts, as opposed to a genuine desire to do something for "the greater good".
yep couldnt agree more.

saabmania2 08-05-2008 18:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harryboy22002 (Post 34547058)
you sad person
i might be sad but hey i don't care what you think :p: and if i find out anyone else's address that steals cable i will do the same thing again:angel:, i pay for all my services at full price why should someone get it free? p.s what's your address then?? ;)
but anyway the person that i grassed on was infact an ex ntl tech that was also found to have 70 cloned modems and 55 chipped boxes the police where already onto him i just helped them along :D

harryboy22002 09-05-2008 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saabmania2 (Post 34547431)
i might be sad but hey i don't care what you think :p: and if i find out anyone else's address that steals cable i will do the same thing again:angel:, i pay for all my services at full price why should someone get it free? p.s what's your address then?? ;)
but anyway the person that i grassed on was infact an ex ntl tech that was also found to have 70 cloned modems and 55 chipped boxes the police where already onto him i just helped them along :D

actually i pay £110-00 a month for my services from virgin and say good luck to anyone who gets something for nothing could/nt live with myself as a grass.

Nugget 09-05-2008 13:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harryboy22002 (Post 34548070)
actually i pay £110-00 a month for my services from virgin and say good luck to anyone who gets something for nothing could/nt live with myself as a grass.
You do realise that you're advocating theft there, don't you?

don_1 09-05-2008 19:03
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Chip boxes will never go down, theirs always an 'update' that can get them 'back up and running again.' Its not fair on people who pay for their service.

shawty 09-05-2008 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harryboy22002 (Post 34547072)
i have sat here and read all posts ??
and to be honest i think most are from the same people ;that if they were offered something for nothing .would bite your hand off to get it. i see a sure case of sour grapes here,, and suggest you put all your energy into something usefull [this is my personal opinion] and if it offends then i stand by it.
scotty.
I can get cable for nothing if I wanted, I dont want to, I have moralls and standards.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by harryboy22002 (Post 34548070)
actually i pay £110-00 a month for my services from virgin and say good luck to anyone who gets something for nothing could/nt live with myself as a grass.
So if i showed you how to get it all for free, would you want me to tell you?

don_1 09-05-2008 19:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34548461)
I can get cable for nothing if I wanted, I dont want to, I have moralls and standards.

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So if i showed you how to get it all for free, would you want me to tell you?
I can get free cable for nothing too, but i also have 'moralls and standards'. :)

ldavey 09-05-2008 19:25
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Since these updates my dad came home today and our TV was frozen, he rebooted the box and now our samsung box wont load up ... only ever says LD 14 on the digital display .... fantastic .... Virgins stupid update has broken our LEGIT box... and virgin is not sending anyone untill MONDAY .. if they will even turn up .. you can never rely on a virgin engineer visiting when they are supposed too!

Hiroki 09-05-2008 19:42
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The dodgy boxes (the ones not linux based) would go down if Virgin media actually looked into putting better protection in there system.

To be honest it's looking a better optinion to get one of these boxes for the spare room than having to deal with the clowns at vm

MovedGoalPosts 09-05-2008 19:43
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Engineer attendance in 48 hours (you really can't count Sunday) isn't bad. Very few companies would expect to get someone there quicker.

But is it really going to be a fault to do with updates to stop the dodgy users? Probably not since those started to be applied weeks ago.

SMHarman 09-05-2008 20:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 34548497)
Engineer attendance in 48 hours (you really can't count Sunday) isn't bad. Very few companies would expect to get someone there quicker.

But is it really going to be a fault to do with updates to stop the dodgy users? Probably not since those started to be applied weeks ago.
Cablevision customers would not stand for such a turnaround time. My DVR died last weekend called and reported it in on Sunday they could have had an engineer to me between 11-3 on Monday. I chose instead to schedule the call for 8-11 Tuesday, they also if you really want it give first call of the day as an option.

Nilrem 09-05-2008 23:55
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smharman, what time did you report your dvr as dead?
If ldavey's father came home from work and reported his box bust it could have been too late in the day for next day (especially for a saturday) appointment.

48 hours is, unless you're paying a real premium for better support about as good as you can realistically get, especially when that 48 hours is over a weekend, for a non-essential (luxury?) consumer service* that is likely to require someone to spend an hour or more to get to it and sort it out (as opposed to get a courier out to pick it up and drop off a new one).


*As opposed to something that is essential (gas, water, electric etc).

the-cable-guy 10-05-2008 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34548515)
Cablevision customers would not stand for such a turnaround time. My DVR died last weekend called and reported it in on Sunday they could have had an engineer to me between 11-3 on Monday. I chose instead to schedule the call for 8-11 Tuesday, they also if you really want it give first call of the day as an option.
thats how companies should treat their customers. although American cable companies are expensive their customer service is alot better.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by don_1 (Post 34548456)
Chip boxes will never go down, theirs always an 'update' that can get them 'back up and running again.' Its not fair on people who pay for their service.
its not fair no but neither is getting bitter about it & grassing ppl up.

Hugh 10-05-2008 22:59
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It's not fair reporting a crime - unusual viewpoint (imho).

the-cable-guy 10-05-2008 23:02
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not when someones doing it cuz their bitter about it no.

Hugh 10-05-2008 23:04
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Similar comment to before - who cares why a crime is reported, if it is a crime.

the-cable-guy 10-05-2008 23:05
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your completely missing the point.

G UK 10-05-2008 23:50
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Actually I think your the one that is missing the point.

A crime is reported and a criminal gets caught. Justice is done. It doesn't matter about the reason why it was done unless that was criminal as well.

A couple of pre-emptive points:

- I admit that I have probably done things that are illegal in the past, and regardlous of how I think of those laws if somebody "grasses" me up for it then I'll take it on the chin because I know it is wrong. Therefore I am not a hypocrite.

- Bugger, I forgot the second one, I blame the beer. Give me a minute and I'll remember it

the-cable-guy 10-05-2008 23:52
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as i said above bitterness is not a valid reason to report someone, cuz then your doing it for your own selfish reasons & not cuz someone is breaking the law.

G UK 11-05-2008 00:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549266)
as i said above bitterness is not a valid reason to report someone, cuz then your doing it for your own selfish reasons & not cuz someone is breaking the law.
Why is it not a good enough reason if the outcome is positive? The person doing the reporting has not done anything wrong except breach your own moral code.

Laws are in place to protect Society as it stands and this has had a positive effect on society. Large businesses still need protecting with the law otherwise they would soon not be large and society would suffer as a result.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 00:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549266)
cuz then your doing it for your own selfish reasons

G UK 11-05-2008 00:25
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Err,

So lets say if somebody who is perfectly nice to everybody else but one day beats me up. I report them because they beat me up and because I dont actually mind if they beat somebody else up I am doing it for my own selfish reasons. Therefore by your logic I shouldn't report it.

Sorry that doesn't wash.

I can understand if you wouldnt do it because you fear reprisals, but that is your personal choice. Others wont see that as a risk or put society above there own necks (note: this could be seen as brave or stupid or anything in between depending on personal circumstance)

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 00:32
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someone beating you up is quite different from stealing cable.

Maggy 11-05-2008 00:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549266)
as i said above bitterness is not a valid reason to report someone, cuz then your doing it for your own selfish reasons & not cuz someone is breaking the law.
If a embittered drug dealer wants to grass another drug dealer for stealing his stash/customers I'm perfectly happy for them to do so and I won't worry whether its for their own selfish reasons at all.The same goes for anyone dobbing in an illegal box user or seller.

We should not be picking up on only the laws that we want upheld and ignoring those that we as individuals think are petty.That way leads to anarchy and chaos.

If you don't like a law, campaign through your MP to get it changed, not just ignore it and call folk names for believing in the law.

G UK 11-05-2008 00:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549310)
someone beating you up is quite different from stealing cable.
Why did I see that one coming.

OK, put another way thats less dramatic.

I know somebody who is stealing from my local corner shop. So I report the person who was doing it to the police. I dont like the person and I think prices are going to/have gone up because of all the theft. If I dont give a monkeys about any other customer then it is for selfish reasons and therefore I should keep my mouth shut.

Still doesn't work does it.

And yes prices do rise on a product or service if people steal it to cover those who are not paying.

Sirius 11-05-2008 08:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549310)
someone beating you up is quite different from stealing cable.
Theft of cable is a crime no matter how you want to rap it up with excuses as to why you think its not..

coyle04 11-05-2008 11:39
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Apparantly some of the big forums that help out the users of these illegal boxes have been closed down as of this morning. digitalworldz and world-of-digital cable sections have gone!

Russ 11-05-2008 11:45
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A good example of why we do not, and will not ever, permit discussion regarding the use of 'chipped' boxes or 'cloned' modems. We know it happens but people can go elsewhere to talk about it if they must.

Enuff 11-05-2008 12:25
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From DW
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After the recent events in the news we are checking all the cable sections to make sure they fully comply with the law.

We do not condone people stealing or defrauding cable companies and we will do our utmost to be a law abiding site and if that means closing the cable sections then that is what will happen.

We have not closed the sections because we think its illegal or we host anything illegal it is because we have always thought of our forums as educational and for that purpose only and because the site is so large that I personally do not know of every file or post that resides on our servers so we will be checking this before the sections come back (if they come back).

Digital World was created for the discussion of various technical topics and was not solely created for the discussion of cable and WAS NEVER CREATED for the use of illegal software materials including guides which I have no knowledge of.

Anyone also found to be using digital world for any illegal services or purposes will be removed without. notice.

Kymmy 11-05-2008 12:45
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The thing is that it's not illegal to share the software, keys, methods with anyone, but it is illegal to implement them for your own or someone elses usage. I can see thier point though that the forum was hijacked and turned into a place where people wanting to break the laws could find the required info. Hence you can see CABLEFORUMS views on trying to stop the same happening here....

Kymmy

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34549387)
Theft of cable is a crime no matter how you want to rap it up with excuses as to why you think its not..
i didnt say that it wasnt a crime i was simply pointing out that if you report someone it shouldnt be cuz your bitter about it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by coyle04 (Post 34549532)
Apparantly some of the big forums that help out the users of these illegal boxes have been closed down as of this morning. digitalworldz and world-of-digital cable sections have gone!
theres at least two forums that i know of that do & most also deal with satellite tv aswell like & before anyone has ago i pay for my services.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34549315)
If a embittered drug dealer wants to grass another drug dealer for stealing his stash/customers I'm perfectly happy for them to do so and I won't worry whether its for their own selfish reasons at all.The same goes for anyone dobbing in an illegal box user or seller.

We should not be picking up on only the laws that we want upheld and ignoring those that we as individuals think are petty.That way leads to anarchy and chaos.

If you don't like a law, campaign through your MP to get it changed, not just ignore it and call folk names for believing in the law.
a drug dealer wouldnt grass on another drug dealer, a smack head would tho as they get paid for giving the police info & then they'l buy more gear with the money.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by G UK (Post 34549322)
Why did I see that one coming.

OK, put another way thats less dramatic.

I know somebody who is stealing from my local corner shop. So I report the person who was doing it to the police. I dont like the person and I think prices are going to/have gone up because of all the theft. If I dont give a monkeys about any other customer then it is for selfish reasons and therefore I should keep my mouth shut.

Still doesn't work does it.

And yes prices do rise on a product or service if people steal it to cover those who are not paying.
ok im not saying that crime isint wrong ppl are misunderstanding me here, what i am saying however is that you shouldnt do it cuz your bitter about it.

shawty 11-05-2008 13:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549582)
i didnt say that it wasnt a crime i was simply pointing out that if you report someone it shouldnt be cuz your bitter about it.

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theres at least two forums that i know of that do & most also deal with satellite tv aswell like & before anyone has ago i pay for my services.

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a drug dealer wouldnt grass on another drug dealer, a smack head would tho as they get paid for giving the police info & then they'l buy more gear with the money.

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ok im not saying that crime isint wrong ppl are misunderstanding me here, what i am saying however is that you shouldnt do it cuz your bitter about it.
Thats just stupid logic. I cant report anyone doing anything illegal because im doing it for myself? Jesus what a point of view that is.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:19
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you obviously dont know how drug dealers work then do you.

Maggy 11-05-2008 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549582)



a drug dealer wouldnt grass on another drug dealer, a smack head would tho as they get paid for giving the police info & then they'l buy more gear with the money.

-.
What world do you live in?Of course they would if only to get rid of the competition.:rolleyes:

And I'm sure some some chippers and cloners would do the same to their competition too.;)

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:21
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when you'v lived with & seen things then you'l know how it works. your completely wrong there (about drugs).

shawty 11-05-2008 13:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549591)
you obviously dont know how drug dealers work then do you.
I wasnt talking about drug dealers, I was talking about your stupid logic of not been able to report someone doing something illegal if it only benefits myself.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:24
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well the comparison that you used was incorrect.

shawty 11-05-2008 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549600)
well the comparison that you used was incorrect.
Ive never used no comparison. Ive said your logic is stupid that I shouldnt report someone because it only benefits me.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:28
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? why is my logic stupid ? you should report someone cuz its wrong not cuz your bitter about it.

shawty 11-05-2008 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549604)
? why is my logic stupid ? you should report someone cuz its wrong not cuz your bitter about it.
You should report someone doing something illegal, no matter what its for.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:31
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we're never going to agree on this & we keep going round in circles, so lets just agree to disagree ;)

Maggy 11-05-2008 13:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549595)
when you'v lived with & seen things then you'l know how it works. your completely wrong there (about drugs).
Oh I see! A 24 year old knows more than a 55 year old.:rolleyes:

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:33
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when it comes to how dealers work then yes i do & what has age got to do with it ?

shawty 11-05-2008 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549609)
we're never going to agree on this & we keep going round in circles, so lets just agree to disagree ;)
Well all I can say is no one has agreed with you as off yet, so it shows what Im thinking is true.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549611)
when it comes to how dealers work then yes i do & what has age got to do with it ?
You think you do. How can you know?

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34549612)
Well all I can say is no one has agreed with you as off yet, so it shows what Im thinking is true.
not at all ppl have diff views on things.

shawty 11-05-2008 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34549610)
Oh I see! A 24 year old knows more than a 55 year old.:rolleyes:
Age has nothing to do with it.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34549612)
Well all I can say is no one has agreed with you as off yet, so it shows what Im thinking is true.

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You think you do. How can you know?
cuz i do iv never been a dealer myself but in know ppl who have/are.

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Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34549615)
Age has nothing to do with it.
exactly ;)

shawty 11-05-2008 13:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549614)
not at all ppl have diff views on things.
Yes people have different opinions, but opinions can still be wrong and so far, no one has agreed with yours which isnt a suprise.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549617)
cuz i do iv never been a dealer myself but in know ppl who have/are.

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exactly ;)
So you know the expericance the other poster have do you?

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34549619)
Yes people have different opinions, but opinions can still be wrong and so far, no one has agreed with yours which isnt a suprise
it doesnt mean that its wrong it just means that you cant see my point of view.

Russ 11-05-2008 13:37
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Right, back on topic now.

shawty 11-05-2008 13:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549622)
it doesnt mean that its wrong it just means that you cant see my point of view.
I can see your point of view, very easily. And very easily it is wrong. You report illegal crimes no matter who it benefits more.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34549619)
So you know the expericance the other poster have do you?
i didnt say that but i know better then most how it works, also he hasnt said so at present non of us know what experience he's had do we.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34549626)
I can see your point of view, very easily. And very easily it is wrong. You report illegal crimes no matter who it benefits more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549609)
we're never going to agree on this & we keep going round in circles, so lets just agree to disagree ;)

TraxData 11-05-2008 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549582)
a drug dealer wouldnt grass on another drug dealer, a smack head would tho as they get paid for giving the police info & then they'l buy more gear with the money.

While they would not grass on another drug dealer, they would rob/beat/even kill* (if neccessary) the other dealer if he is taking their turf.

Been at someones house when 4 big 6ft travellers came smashin the door in to get some druggies stash :o:

Sirius 11-05-2008 15:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coyle04 (Post 34549532)
Apparantly some of the big forums that help out the users of these illegal boxes have been closed down as of this morning. digitalworldz and world-of-digital cable sections have gone!
You can bet the thieving gits will find somewhere else to share there info. :mad:

TraxData 11-05-2008 15:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34549716)
You can bet the thieving gits will find somewhere else to share there info. :mad:
What makes me laugh is the posts on there say they are just complying with the law...LOL.

Wouldnt be because VM contacted them and demanded it be taken down (with the hosting company) would it ? ;)

Sirius 11-05-2008 15:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34549719)
What makes me laugh is the posts on there say they are just complying with the law...LOL.

Wouldnt be because VM contacted them and demanded it be taken down (with the hosting company) would it ? ;)
Well lets all comply with the law.

Anyone with information about people supplying or using illicit equipment to receive Virgin Media TV channel’s should call the confidential hotline on 0800 096 7800.

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 17:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34549707)
While they would not grass on another drug dealer, they would rob/beat/even kill* (if neccessary) the other dealer if he is taking their turf.

Been at someones house when 4 big 6ft travellers came smashin the door in to get some druggies stash :o:
i never said owt about robbing i was just saying that they wouldnt grass on one another.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34549719)
What makes me laugh is the posts on there say they are just complying with the law...LOL.

Wouldnt be because VM contacted them and demanded it be taken down (with the hosting company) would it ? ;)
hence why they say for educational use only, they use that as a cop out.

foxuk 11-05-2008 17:42
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If I connect the Virgin cable to my computer for the freeview stuff, what sort of card would be the cheapest and do I need a box as well?:dunce:

Seemed the right sort of place to ask such a simple question. I know nothing at all about how Virgin thingamie works:dunce:.

fox

P.S If anyone really believes that the old twaddle of 'honour among thieves' and 'not grassing' ever existed I can recommend a good psychiatrist. It's just like the 'real world' people don't do things to people when they are afraid of the consequenses - if they think they can get away with it there are no consequenses. Hope that makes sense?;)

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 17:44
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you would need a DVB-C card.

Hiroki 11-05-2008 18:10
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Isnt that breaking Virgin's T&C by connecting to their system by using none vm equipment?

Or is it legal to use one of those cards in your pc?

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 18:19
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im not 100% sure 2bh.

foxuk 11-05-2008 18:38
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Hey - I can answer that one -

If it is a breach of T&C that does not necessarily make it illegal. It would be a breach of contract (which is civil not criminal law) if against the T&C.

Illegality would depend on INTENT to permanently deprive. i.e. simply getting progs without paying. If there were no charge, as in freeview, it could be argued that there was no loss therefore no theft................... in theory.

Breach of T&C is civil Law and a loss would have to be proved, as would intent and a monetary value assessed. The proof would be on the basis of 'probable' rather than 'beyond reasonable doubt' in a criminal case.

They'd be mad to go to court and just cut off supply IMHO.

The thing is would it breach T&C?

If it does breach T&C should I get a set top box and use it as an interface between the cable and the PC and if so what would be the best/cheapest card?

fox

P.S. Sorry to be so pedantic about British Law but there seems to be a current attempt by the USA to 'colonise' our legal system with their 'commercial' system which is after all the best money can BUY.

frogstamper 11-05-2008 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 34548497)
Engineer attendance in 48 hours (you really can't count Sunday) isn't bad. Very few companies would expect to get someone there quicker.

But is it really going to be a fault to do with updates to stop the dodgy users? Probably not since those started to be applied weeks ago.
Well said Rob, VM certainly has its faults and Ive done my fair share of moaning but as regards getting an engineer out I have no complaints. Rang VM last Friday [9/5/08] at 13.30 because I was getting bad pixelation on certain channels, CS said I needed an engineer after doing a few tests, "would tomorrow be convenient sir", engineer arrived at 10.20am, fixed problem by boosting the signal from green box, the job was done in 15 minuets. So from making the initial phone call the problem was solved in less than 24 hours, kudos to VM.:)

the-cable-guy 11-05-2008 18:40
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. . . .

frogstamper 11-05-2008 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549845)
. . . .
Yes I know was a little off topic, but hey credit where its due..;)

cableview 12-05-2008 01:19
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virgin has acted too quickly in my opinion theve banned the sale of the boxes in name from ebay but theve just drove the problem underground now.when most of the offenders come to court all they have to say is that they were selling free to air boxes which is legal vm will have to prove otherwise which i doubt...verdict...a total waste of taxpayers money in police and courts.:confused:

the-cable-guy 12-05-2008 01:20
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true but its always been underground.

SMHarman 12-05-2008 22:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilrem (Post 34548717)
smharman, what time did you report your dvr as dead?
If ldavey's father came home from work and reported his box bust it could have been too late in the day for next day (especially for a saturday) appointment.

48 hours is, unless you're paying a real premium for better support about as good as you can realistically get, especially when that 48 hours is over a weekend, for a non-essential (luxury?) consumer service* that is likely to require someone to spend an hour or more to get to it and sort it out (as opposed to get a courier out to pick it up and drop off a new one).


*As opposed to something that is essential (gas, water, electric etc).
About 4pm on Sunday I think and I agree with what you are saying about turnaround. Thing is hear Cable is getting pushed by DirectTV (Sat) who are pushing over 100 channels of HD (which is a lot of marketing guff, counting the fact you broadcast the same channell offset 4 times for the different time zones does not to me make 4 channels), pushed by FiOS who can only market faster upload speeds as a benefit in and around NYC as the cable industry here has got its act in gear and is offering 20/2 and 30/3 as the basic and premium services.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34549205)
thats how companies should treat their customers. although American cable companies are expensive their customer service is alot better.
I pay $102 a month for 20/2 broadband ($44.95) and an HD DVR ($9.95) on Family Cable ($39.90) (the rest is taxes etc. http://www.optimum.com/package_list....d=19&pkgType=1
I could add a phone line and go triple play for $29.95 a month each so $89.85, getting a phone line for an additional $5 a month but with a Vonage box at home I don't see a need for the expense.
Is that expensive?

the-cable-guy 13-05-2008 01:06
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id say that thats very expensive, but then cable in America has always been over priced.

SMHarman 13-05-2008 01:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34550700)
id say that thats very expensive, but then cable in America has always been over priced.
Not wanting to take this off topic but I am with an ISP that I have not heard wants to deploy Phorm, makes enough money to outbid Murdoch and buy newspapers and has sufficient capital to be able to upgrade their infrastructure to carry 40+ chanels of HD, HD OnDemand and while it has traffic management on the Broadband I have not been in a situation where I have found the performance degraded (so perhaps I have not been impacted by it). I guess that is the choice, pay more, which the british public don't appear to want to, to get what you want or go to the lowest service at the lowest price.

At which point I seem to have tied up my contributions to the Phorm thread, the no more linear HD chanels thread and this one into a neat bundle

the-cable-guy 13-05-2008 01:37
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hay im not saying that your service isint good (it is) im just saying that its over priced, as VM is compared to other ISPs.

Hugh 13-05-2008 08:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34550716)
hay im not saying that your service isint good (it is) im just saying that its over priced, as VM is compared to other ISPs.
SMH is talking about a bundled package (TV & BB) and you are talking about ISPs (BB) - you appear to be comparing apples and fruit cocktails.

Stuart 13-05-2008 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34550710)
Not wanting to take this off topic but I am with an ISP that I have not heard wants to deploy Phorm, makes enough money to outbid Murdoch and buy newspapers and has sufficient capital to be able to upgrade their infrastructure to carry 40+ chanels of HD, HD OnDemand and while it has traffic management on the Broadband I have not been in a situation where I have found the performance degraded (so perhaps I have not been impacted by it). I guess that is the choice, pay more, which the british public don't appear to want to, to get what you want or go to the lowest service at the lowest price.
That's the problem with this country. We obviously want good service, but we are not happy to pay for it. That's not specifically a rant against the consumer though. That "pay the least possible" attitude is running through our economy, right from the consumer to the largest companies. It is an attitude that, I think, will ultimately cause us a *lot* of problems.

SMHarman 13-05-2008 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34550795)
SMH is talking about a bundled package (TV & BB) and you are talking about ISPs (BB) - you appear to be comparing apples and fruit cocktails.
20/2 BB is $45 a month at current exchange rates GBP23. Is that a lot? 30/3 BB is $55 a month / GBP28. Is that a lot?

the-cable-guy 13-05-2008 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34550795)
SMH is talking about a bundled package (TV & BB) and you are talking about ISPs (BB) - you appear to be comparing apples and fruit cocktails.
not at all you misunderstood me :rolleyes:


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