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What are people's thoughts on the audience with the Pope? Is the pope really interested/concerned or is this some ploy by the Vatican to market themselves?
Also most people I work with are getting a bit 'fed up' of all he continuing media coverage. Does anyone think that this will eventually make people not care about Maddie being abducted?

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I think its ploy to keep in the media. At the end of the day they are doing the best they can to keep Maddie in peoples mind. Unfortunatly it does look like she is lost its very sad indeed but the general public has enough to worry about ,lets face it we are all subjected to stress in our own lives. I hope she is alive well and looked after somewhere but im thinking she wont be reunited with her family :( I hope and pray im wrong

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I was surprised they didn't take their other kids with them. You would have thought after something like this you wouldn't have wanted to let them out of their sight.

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ok then, would you do that ?

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the meeting with the pope, and yes the pope dont care vatican marketing themselves sounds about right

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Apparently they are being looked after by grandparents... But I know what you mean. Something is really unsettling about all of this... Everything from the start. I can't put my finger on it.

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must be hard as they can never be seen to get on with life now
money will run out eventually.....

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Unlikely the public raised millions to help them find her

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true about the money, they should of thought about this before they left there little girl ALONE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, i still hope the parents are charged, there other children should be with somebody else as them 2 are clearly uncapable of looking after them, look at what happened to maddie :mad:

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At the risk of starting a war on here, I do honestly think the parents have something to do with this...... Maybe they crave media attention, I dont know, but I do think they know more than they are letting on.

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Not sure, but who's to say it's not like that. I reckon they are using the attention to cover up their own guilt more than anything. And when that stops or dwindles down, the guilt will be what's left. At the moment they have not had time to stop and let it sink in, maybe they don't want it to sink in till whenever.

I wouldn't be suprised if they asked the pope for forgiveness and of course they would probably would have got it. How all that works is beyond me anyway. Before they saw him, they spoken about faith, and they said their faith is now much stronger?? Faith in what, faith didn't stop her being abducted, faith hasn't found her, and time is getting on, how can your faith be 'stronger'. Amazing.

So now they've had the pope, what's next? Celebraties are always an easy target as as they can't really say no without negative reprocussions. It's all getting a bit pantomine.

How long will they continue to search using the manpower they are using now? Has other crimes gone up in the area as there is a lack of policing to deal with those. Will we see a different picture / home video every month of her?

I think in the end people will be desensitized by maddie, or till the next new thing people takes their interest in, people will get bored by it all, and so far mostly it is down to the parents that's making it happen far quicker than it naturally should.

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I totally agree with this. Most people I talk to at work are now voicing opions such as "why is Maddie so special", "havent the media got anything else to report about", "parents are milking it"

I know some of it seems harsh but at the end of the day the Maddie "overload" in the media is now making people fed up of the whole thing. I think the question is where do you draw the line in all the coverage/prmoting awareness.

I know if I was a parent of an abducted child, I'd want to do everything possible in getting her back, but I think we're leading to a situation where people reading the papers, faced with a Maddie related story on the front, will just turn the page over pretty quickly....

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imo, they are simply trying to keep the story in the public eye in order to maximise the chances of the child being found. I would probably do the same.

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Yes that's right, but now it's at a the point of being annoying. And no one takes interest (or cares) in something thats annoying.

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Well said. As would any parent would. :clap:

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Yes its such a shame that a child's health and well being is no longer at the fore front of any importance to you at all. :td:

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Anyone heard about a 12 year old girl that's been missing from Winchester, Hants for the past 4 weeks now? No? Thought not....

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It's important but I think people are annoyed with the amount of attention it's getting, when there's millions of other missing kids that get no publicity whatsoever.

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Yeah but as I have distinguished that being 'Missing' and being 'Abducted' is two different things.

This is a 'unique' situation, in the fact that a young toddler as been abducted, whilst on holiday.

But I wouldn't really agree with any other missing kid doesn't get much publicty ... There is one from the other day for instance:-

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...267815,00.html

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Has she actually been abducted though? Or just wandered off? I heard there's no evidence pointing to the fact that she was abducted, no forced entry etc?

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Just *missing* or *abducted*?

Note the change in circumstances....

*12 year old* girl *missing* ...

*4 year old* toddler, *abducted*.

And this thread is about the Maddie girl, I do so believe. :dozey:

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I think that one of the reasons that its still in the media is that they are an affluent, articulate couple, who proably have someone behind the scenes advising them on how to use the media. I can't imagine many people think 'I must go see the Pope' if their child was abducted.

I also think, had this been a working class couple, low income etc, this would have been out of the media long ago, and they would also have been heavily criticised for leaving the children alone. As OB says, "Anyone heard about a 12 year old girl that's been missing from Winchester, Hants for the past 4 weeks now? No? Thought not...."

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And that's how people I know are summing up the Maddie case in a nutshell.

The thing is there are people who reckon that if you are critical of the parents or the way they are going about looking for Maddie, or the way the media is maintaining the attention, then in some way you are guilty of not caring for Maddie or not wanting her found.

I'd love Maddie to be found (and ye I have been critical of the parents) but to be honest, everytime i see about something about them in the paper now, I just turn the page over, I can't be bothered to read it.

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Isn't it an assumption that she's been abducted? Plus abduction carries more weight than missing. That is the line of enquiry being followed. It's feasible (though might not be the case) that her parents arranged for someone to take her away?

Im not saying this has happened, but we are not 100% certain she's been abducted.

Weren't the girls that Huntley killed reported to be missing? not abducted or murdered? Until they were found that is?

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In what way is it feasible? What evidence do you have that you can back up your claim that it is feasible?

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He doesn't need evidence to say it's feasible, however unlikely the scenario

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If I was in that situation then I would obviously be upset and concerned about all the other missing children but my main concern would be about finding my child. I would do all I could.....and that is what Maddies parents are doing.
I don't think that we can or should begrudge them their efforts to keep the abduction and search for their child in the forefront of the news.

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Exactly.....

Is there any evidence that she's been abducted? Not really...... The parents blatant disregard for their childrens' safety and wellbeing by dining in a restuarant 100 yards away, while leaving their apartment unlocked, ensured that theres no evidence whatsoever (no fingerprints, no forced entry, no struggle)

Its being reported as abductin because its a feasible and probable (although not conclusive outcome). Also abduction pulls on more heart strings than missing, sells more papers, etc etc

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Depends if you are a 'viable' candidate for the media that is.

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Fair point.

Okay - I'll word it different.

Mo - How is it feasible?

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Are you telling me the only possibility is abduction?

She could have been abducted or ran off somewhere, both feasible in my opinion. her parents could have arranged for someone to take her, again feasible.

Its feasible she went sleep walking and walked into the sea, swept away by the waves. I am keeping an open mind on this until an abducter is arrested.
As far as Im concerned abduction is not the only possibility in Maddie's case.

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You still can't begrudge them for trying....
Perhaps people should be getting angry at a media that ignores less 'attractive' parents who have lost a child rather than berating the parents who have actually managed to keep the medias attention on their plight...

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If it was my child I can't imagine anything that I would not do to make sure that the search for my child carried on in as a high profile as possible.

Would you stop the search because 'other' people were getting bored of reading about your child being missing.?

Would you say "oh it's all right, don't bother publicising my child being missing any more I'll take a low profile from now on because there are other children who have gone missing and they are more important than my child"?

I truly believe that no matter what these parents are guilty of they have every right to keep the search for their child as high profile as they possible can for as long as they can. If other missing children are not receiving as much publicity then it is the media's fault not Maddies parents.

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You're quite right too. But it doesn't stop people from getting annoyed by their constant media attention, next they'll be opening supermarkets in her plight. (I know that's extreme and it won't happen but it's not far from the way people actually think).

Of course if it was my child, oh that's so easy to say isn't it, do this couple deserve their child to be abducted because of their own neglect? No, of course not. But just because people don't want to get soaked up in it all doesn't mean they are heartless either. If it was your child, maybe you wouldn't have the same attention as this couple, maybe you just don't fit the 'model' parent, maybe your girl ain't as pretty, maybe you neglect your kids and you might get vilified for it instead of. Who knows, a lot of what ifs.

All I've said was they chose to take the media up to extremes, of course there are people that will take comfort in it, but there's only so much people can take before they lose interest.

I for one do hope she's safe and returns, maybe I should say returns then her parents arrested for neglect. But I am also allowed not to want to follow the media. I hope she's safe, found, and well, that's all I can say and all that there is. Praying, lighting a candle, seeing Mr Beckham, crying ain't going to help matters and it's certainly not on top of my priority list. I don't care enough to let it upset me. What's one girl out of X amount who have / has it far worse.

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yes, exactly what I've been thinking.

surely you wouldnt let any of your remaining kids out of your sight again for a long time if one had been abducted like you said they had.

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Anythings feasible as we don't know what happened, no one including the police knew that Huntley had a hand in the Soham case untill further investigation.

Ponder this.. Perhaps a local noticed that the parents were dining out and leaving the kids alone at the hotel and decided to swipe one for a day to teach them a lesson. Of course it all blew into a massive media event and perhaps they are now can't just walk back and pop the kid back. I mean anythings possible at the moment.

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i'm very new to this forum but if i believe if i was a member of this family reading some of the comments in this topic i would be telling some of you lot to go to hell.

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But you're not, so you're just speculating and giving your own opinion aren't you. But everyone is entitled to an opinion, and if someone told me to go to hell for my opinion on the subject, then that's their perogative.

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Indeed...:clap:

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But there have been some opinions here (and I can't remember if yours are in this group, so please don't take this personally) that deserve a smack in the face :)



This family has lost a child; they are going through hell. Just thinking about what they must be feeling makes me want to cry; and thats before I even get to thinking about what the child is probably going through (if she's alive).
Sniping at the parents is cruel, heartless and sick imo.

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I would tell them that you make your own hell tell me what its like

I have spoken my mind how I feel and have backed it up with reason and ive made my motives clear and thats to try and stop it happening again

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it would be returned if one come my way ;)

I am sympathetic for the loss of the child im not a monster but they should not have left her alone they know that as well as you

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lol, I'm sure it would :D
But that obviously doesn't detract from their desperate need to get her back.........and obviously just adds to their guilt.
Everyone makes mistakes with their kids, I have.......but rubbing their noses in any mistakes that they may have made is heartless (and I'm not saying that you have/are)

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No probs, I haven't said anything bad that's 'out of order' or anything that's unwarranted to the point of being wrong.

Sometimes people need to see things from a different perspective to make sense of things. It's easy to follow the grain and find yourself biased. But when it's a subject that's not straight forward there will always be a dividance.

The trouble starts when you get people that tend to be based on common sense, non biased, etc, goes against the grain, then get accused of being heartless and sick, or get told why say that, not the time etc. Well that's not for anyone to say, everyone has an opinion and each is valid regardless. I've been told I'm heartless but only because it goes against their beliefs, to me that's as stupid as anything I've ever heard.

So what if people speak/think out loud, if it's not the right time, well when is? So what if people say the things no one wants to hear, should people ignore them? No.

Please point out the posts where they do deserve a 'smack in the mouth' because I've not seen any here yet that warrants that, just their own honest opinions. If any have said she deserved it etc, it would have been pulled aside or deleted etc, no one here have been or said anything like that.

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Everybody is entitled to their opinion, socket.

BTW - Welcome to CF :wavey:

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I for one do hope she's safe and returns, maybe I should say returns then her parents arrested for neglect.

What would be the point of punishing the McCanns? Sure they did wrong, they are only too well aware of the fact! I can think of no sentence they could serve, that could possible be worse than the one they must surely suffer everyday, and for the rest of their lives. The knowledge that their child is gone because they allowed the opportunity for her to be taken, must be unbearable.

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It's also worth noting that although the police seem to believe Maddie has been abducted, it's also possible she has gone missing.

Not saying she has. The police have seen actual evidence, and they appear to think she has been abducted, so that's good enough for me.

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Say someone drives to work after a night out when they are still over the legal limit and causes an accident which results in the loss of life. Are you saying because that person has to live with it for the rest of their life that they shouldn't be punished?

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maddie is their child.

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would the point not be to prove to others that YOU DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN ALONE ?? that point ive tried to drum accross for the whole of this thread but the bleeding hearts just want to show sympathy and understanding well I do not understand

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So if the driver kills a member of his family he shouldn't be punished?

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Depends if it was deliberate or not.

I remember hearing about a man who was trimming his hedge in the back garden. Unkown to him, one of his sons was hiding in the hedge planning on jumping out and suprising his dad. You can imagine what happened.
Distraught he picked up his injured son, ran round the house to the car, and as he reversed off the drive, hit his other son who had just come home from playing with friends.
Should he have been punished for killing his sons?


Did Maddie's parents leave her and her siblings alone in order for them to be abducted, or did the thought of such a crime occuring not cross their minds?

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Sounds a bit far fetched to me, any links?

I would say the first one was an accident who expects someone to be hiding in a hedge?

If the second was caused by dangerous driving then yes he should face charges.

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If I left a child and went to the pub and the house burned down would you all be so understanding then??

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Does someone over the limit (who also may not believe they are over) leave the house in order to cause an accident?

If they think they are under the limit and then its discovered they are over then should they not be punished?

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First heard about it 15 years or so ago, so no links.

However there is this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3534320.stm

Husband was up a ladder using a chainsaw, fell and killed his wife.

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Whats done is done. Blame should perhaps be left for when Maddie has been found?

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There's enough information out there to let people know that it should be none for the road as everyone reacts to alcohol differently.
If someone has a drink, they know it impares their functions, even slightly, and therefore increases the chance of having an accident.

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And surely any parent knows the risks of leaving defenseless children?

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chances are she isnt gonna be so you saying we should never highlight what has happened here and just let it happen again and again? leaving children as young as this is wrong and I do not understand why some of you are sugar coating it

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The last thing I'd expect is for someone to break into the apartment and abduct a child.

Out at the beach yes maybe, or at the park or while shopping, but not deliberately break in to take her.

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They might be pretty understanding if you had friends and neighbours in the next room or you'd paid staff to be at your house, from what I've heard and read you can't really compare leaving a child at home whilst the parents go down the pub with this, I could be wrong though, I am only basing this on what people who have stayed at the complex have said

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I suspect that it doesn't really need highlighting any more...

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There is also enough information out there to let people know that leaving 2 & 3 year olds on their own, unattended is downright negligent.

If someone leaves their child alone, they know it greatly increases the chance of that child being abducted.

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Mothers do it all the time all over the world, either physically leaving them, or by catching up on some well deserved sleep.
Don't forget, if you're bathing one child, the other is normally left alone in another room, after all, you shouldn't leave a child in the bath.

Hardly.
If you left a child alone in your house for 2 hours, would you expect it to be abducted?
Not unless you believe there's "lone child radar" fitted to all abducters!
They had no way of knowing that their daughter had been targetted, and as has already been pointed out, if they hadn't taken her during the night, then they'd have grabbed their oppertunity at another time.
Wasn't it her bedroom window that was forced open?
Her siblings weren't woken either were they?
So you're saying that if her parents were next door, then the window would have made more noise? Or the abducter would have made more noise? Simply because the parents were in the next room?
How do you work that one out?

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From waht the parents have said in their interviews, thy felt that going to the restaurant "was no different to eating in the garden". They also reprtedly said that everyone in the complex looked out for each other's kids, even though they had made no arrangements for other people to keep an eye out on their children.

What is fact is that they didnt pay for child care arrangements (even though it was available in the complex) and they left the apartment unlocked.

I think that is highly negligent, on par with Zings example.

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I'd say that it greatly increases the chances of something happening to them, not necessarily abduction, and is downright negligent and irresponsible.

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I heard that the complex is very geared towards children to, although I believe I am right in saying that they went away with several friends and their families, it could be argued that the children had a close family friend literally in the next room.

Didn't the intruder break in at the rear of the apartment, I seem to remember something about jemmy's and doors being mentioned

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why not people keep highlighting the bleeding heart side so why shouldn't I highlight my point?

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do we know for a fact the 2 years didnt wake up who did they tell they slept through it?

If you leave a mobile phone while your taking a leak is it easier to take then than if you sat with it on the table?

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Populated appartment block, if the kids made sufficient noise it would have alerted others. There's been no reports of witnesses hearing a thing.
Do you really think that the parents in another room would have made the abducters produce more noise so they'd be heard?

If I leave it out of sight, then the only way someone will know about it is if they're planning on taking it and have watched me with it and where I've put it. In which case they're planning on taking it no matter what, either if I leave it, or through picking my pocket when I'm looking the other way, or through bashing me over the head after I leave then taking it.
If no one is watching what I do with my phone, then if it's out of sight no one will know it's there in order to take it.

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Do you really think the abductors didnt know they were out? i accept they targeted her but it makes no difference to me the parents should not have left the children

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I agree, but that's completely different from making a decision to leave your children alone, whilst you are somewhere else enjoying a meal. They were not bathing their children. They were not catching up on well deserved sleep. They were out enjoying themselves.
I can honestly say that I would never, ever leave 3 children of that age alone in a house. Full stop. There is no knowing what might happen to them. Responsible parents just wouldn't do it.
There is no way of knowing this for certain, and it could only happen if they were left alone, again.
I am saying nothing of the sort!
However, would the abducter still have struck, knowing that there were 2 adults around? I think not.

As for the siblings, I don't know if they were woken or not. Has it been reported anywhere? Are they at an age where they could give accurate answers anyway?

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Obviously not enough or somebody would of noticed her going.

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So wether the parents were in the building or not would have made no difference if the abducters were determined enough to break in and steal a child, yet it's their fault she was abducted because they weren't sat next door oblivious to the abduction?


Out of interest, back in the winter there was an incident where a man got into a house and abducted a little girl from the bath, while her family were in the house. Was it their fault too?

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where have I said its their fault? I see a misquote there mate. I have said all along the parents should not have left the kids not just because of abduction risks but for other reasons to.

See rammy there is every need for me to keep going on cuz no one takes any notice

EDIT ive just used the search feature and I can not find any of my posts in this thread saying the parents are to blame or it is their fault ive constantly said it was wrong to leave the children and highlighted other risks besides abduction

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Things happen whether parents are there or not as demonstrated by the bath abduction while the house was full of people.

When I was 2 all my mates and I used to play out on our own in the cul-de-sac we lived in. No parents were around.
Things happen, it's part of life. I got my head stuck in a gate trying to get into a friends garden, loads of bumps and grazes, mate broke his arm falling from a swing. It's called life.
In Saudi at the age of 5 I was able to walk around large shopping centres on my own while my mum and sister did their own thing. I the Red Sea I spent hours alone swimming up and down the shore and reef.
I've seen the detremental effect on children that wrapping them up in cotton wool can do, it's not a pretty sight!
Messed up kids that can't think for themselves, poor imaginations, difficulty socialising, bed wetting until early teens.

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I've said on more than one occasion, if parents are in the garden, in a different room, mayb downstairs, and the child is abducted from the house then the parents have taken reasonable precautions to stop anything happening to their child. I am not just restricting this to abduction.

For example my daughter generally plays in the backroom or the garden on her own. when she is in the garden we sit in the backroom or kitchen so we can hear and see her. If she's in the backroom and everything goes quiet we check on her. THis is not incase she's been abducted, but if shes up to something or that she's hurt herself etc etc. By doing this we feel that we are taking all the precautions necessary incase something does happen to her.

People keep saying well Maddie could have been abducted while her parents were next door, and its not very differnet to leaving your child alone in one room whilst your in another.

In my opinion leaving your children alone at home while your out dining is no where near the same as being in the garden whilst they are inside. It is not the same as having your child abducted from the bath whilst you are downstairs either.

The fact that we have instances where children have been abducted from a house whilst the family is at home should hilight the fact that you should not leave kids home ALONE.

Having and looking after kids is not easy, and it does mean you have to make certain sacrifices whilst bringing them up. Dining out while your 2 year olds are home ALONE would be one of them.

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no sorry for the misquote I see ;)

Still imo does not alter the fact the children should not have been left

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I donot think you can compare the above with leaving 3 under 4s 'home' alone whilst the parents are out wining and dining. I donot think any of us are advocating wrapping up our kids in cotton wool, and on a further note i do think times have changed from 20 years ago to now. I remember when I was 7/8, we'd be out till 9 oclock playing in summer. There's no way I'd let my 8 year old (i i had one) do that now though. It's most likely nothing would happen to him, but I am not willing to take the risk.

I donot think that by not leaving your kids alone at home, you'd be messing with their minds. Remember these are 4 year old and under we are talking about. I fail to see how leaving them home alone is reasonable or good for their well being at that age.

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You are saying that the parents should not have left her alone, therefore placing the blame on them for leaving her alone. Not the exact words of "it's their fault" but it amounts to the same.
Or are you saying that they weren't wrong to leave her alone?

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in your opinion it does in mine as ive said over and over again the other things that could have happened anyway dude you think what you want about what I mean I really dont care ;)

The person to blame for the abduction is the abductor
The people who should have acted more responsibly are the parents clear enough???

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Perhaps you are unaware of the thinking behind the idea of not running to a baby every time it cries?
Perhaps you are unaware that the children have a history of not waking during the night?
Perhaps you are unaware that the children have no history of sticking bmx brake cables into mains sockets or playing with matches?
Perhaps you are unaware that the parents were unaware their daughter was being targetted?
Perhaps you are unaware that the children were quite capable of sorting themselves out if they needed the toilet during the night?
Perhaps you are unaware that there were people next door who would have raised the alarm if the children started crying?

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I could misquote your stance and say your advocating leaving 3 very young children unsupervised but surely you wouldnt would you????

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They know their kids better than anyone else, and if they felt that it was ok to leave them for a meal while checking on them regularly, while being sat across the way from them, that doesn't strike me as irresponsible.
If they'd gone out drinking at one of the nightclubs in town with no intention of coming back for hours and having no one check in on them, that would be irresponsible.
And you do mind what people think you mean, other wise you wouldn't be going on and on about it so much ;)

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well look man one of them is now missing they did a stand up job of looking after them

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So you are blaming them!
How about appologising for accusing me of misquoting you?

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no im coming back at your post isnt that debating ;) I enjoy a good deep heavy debate like the next man.

So you are saying they did everything they could to look after there kids whilst they went out then?

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Have I really missed something here during the mass reporting? Did the abductor walk in of the street into the complex past reception and all the other guests, checking each room at his leisure for a victim? Or did he break in around the rear of the complex with a crowbar?

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You're saying they didn't do enough, ergo are to blame for her being abducted.

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how can I have accused you of misquoting me for a post I had not even yet posted :confused:

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Im saying they should not have left them like they did ergo they should not have left them like they did

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The last time they checked before noticing the time MAddie was abducted was 50 mins (police report based on evidence given by the parents)

I can't believe that people think its reasonable to leave 3 children under the age of 4 home alone. And so what if there are other people in the complex supposedly 'looking out ' for your kid. I have yet to read anything about the parents saying anything to anyone else to keep an eye out on their kids, more that it was an 'understanding'. No aspect of childcare was formalised or agreed or talked out.

Responsible parents? IN THIS CASE definately not.

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Therefore placing blame on them. Which you've been doing thoughout the thread by stating that they should not have left the children.
Why shouldn't they have left the children? Because to do so left them open to abduction you've said, hence the mobile phone analogy.
Now you're trying to backtrack like a Tory front bencher being asked about Grammar schools ;)

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I dont think anyone is they seem to avoid the question when I ask

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do you think its ok to leave 3 children under 4 alone while the parents go out without any proper supervision

The abductor is to blame for the abduction
The parents should not have left the children alone.
I would say the same if there was no abduction and just news of negligence

They should not have left the children because of accident fire distress other reasons ive also constantly highlighted in this thread

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Yes I think it's ok to be 100 yards or so away from the kids while having a meal and checking in on them regularly.
That is no different to being inside the house while children are playing out in the street, or in a next door neighbours garden.
Millions of parents don't sit and watch their children every minute of the day, especially at night.
Are you saying that millions of parents are negligent because they leave their children asleep in bed for 30 minutes?

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Thank you for you answer.
Im sorry but im not gonna answer your question as I feel its rediculas. Totally different

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Most of what I have read says the patio doors of the apartment were unlocked.

If you are in the next room then it is possible that you hear a noise or your child shouting and you go investigate. If you are in a tapas bar 100 yards away you are not going to hear anything.

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Children's screams normally go further than 100yds.

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an apartment block will have a lot of noise surely who could know which child made a noise

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Really?
No family apartment blocks I've stayed in have had lots of noise after dark, normally because they're family orientated.
As a parent, you KNOW your child's screams if they need help

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And of course Tapas bars are quiet places with no music playing.

Also according to the paper today they could only see the wall of the apartment, they couldn't see the door or windows.

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well I definately would if I was in the apartment, 100 yards away around a corner in a bar with a few drinks inside me I could not say

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In the UK they have a full time nanny, I wonder why she didn't accompany them. If it was so that they could have a "family" holiday why were the children placed in the creche everday?

Th parents claim that they didn't want a stranger looking after their children ( but it was OK during the day ) The creche staff were also the babysitting staff.

One thing I didn't realise was that that fateful night was not the first time they had left the children in the room alone. Indeed every night they were there they had the same routine whereby the children would be checked on evry 30 mins or so while they dined with six other doctor types.

It wouldn't be difficult for someone to spot the pattern.....

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I have just watched the interview by the BBC recorded a few days ago, and Mr. McCann is vague about how often they checked their apartment. Although the text on the website twice mentions 30 minutes, in the actual interview he only says that the apartment was checked at regular intervals. How often is regular?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6692161.stm


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In the statement given to the police the last check in which Maddie was discovered missing was 50 mins after the previous one.

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yup when the details first came out i could not believe what i was hearing, me and the missus would never do anything so stupid as that yea it's harsh to say but your childrens safety is the first thing on your mind when you wake up and stays there until your asleep and even then it's kinda still there(those who have kids will understand what i mean).

Suffering because of someone elses stupidity is the worst thing:(

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Maddie is not an inanimate object. so what do u hope to achieve by punishing??