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Unfortunatly it is Claires and probably is locked to O2. It will no doubt be promoted to spare phone number 1.

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keep the spare mobile in the car.

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I think its a useful thing sosages...though I agree that it shouldn't have been important...more useful would have been A2DP or Cut/Paste...

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It was never / will never be a camera phone. That's not the market its aimed at. For sending photos over the web then 2mpix pictures are good enough.

There has also been people prattling on about how Nokia sell 1.3 Million phones per day and saying that Apples 1 Million in a weekend is no achievement. (If there where more Apple iphones available they would have sold 2 Million without a doubt. I heard that CPW got 3500 in stock for launch I doubt o2 had much more.

They overlook that Nokia is available in almost every country and also has a huge product range of basic phones - high end phones. Apple has released 1 phone and in it's market (smart phones) it has garnered a huge market share against the market leading rim and ms phones in a short period of time.

If you overcome the idea that all phones must have video capability (which they don't) and that all phones must be camera phones (which they don't) then when you look at and use the iphone you'll find it is a joy to use.

FYI Carphone warehouse have them back in stock on the web and on the phone ( only 8gb model) Ordered mine delivery Monday...

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/com...me?NODE_ID=800

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Interesting to note that according to one article I read (although I cannot find the link), Windows Mobile increased it's sales last year by the same amount that the iPhone sold in total.

Not that I am saying WM is great. Far from it.
All smart phones do have cameras and video, however, and this is the market the iPhone is competing in. Most of them have a camera that is better than 2m as well, as well as video calling.

I have to admit, however, that even though my n95 has a superior camera (it's camera is actually superior to my old digicam) and video calling, I'll still be going for an iPhone when my contract is up for renewal.

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I hope they are better than the o2 xda mini s with it's 1.3mp cam and no video.

With the price drop they are looking quite a bargain. Totally regretting selling my original iphone now as I thought the 3g iphone would devalue it. However with v2.0 software making the original so much better and the limited availability of the new one its having the opposite effect.

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The other big kicker in the US is that the original iPhone data plan was $20 a month for unlimited data and 200 texts. The 3G iPhone plan is $30 with no inclusive texts so for the 200 texts that would be another $5. An increase of $15 a month to month or $180 a year in monthly charges over the 2G phone and an 18 month commitment contract, wheras the 2G iPhone was effectively commitment free as there was no handset subsidy. As much of the US has no 3G coverage with Edge as the highest data speed for the forseeable future the benefits of 2G iPhone with 2.0 vs 3G iPhone are marginal.

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Interesting rumour: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/07...ay_get_iphone/

Orange UK will be carrying the iPhone soon..

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The XDA Mini S (HTC Wizard) also didn't have 3G.

But that is not even remotely a good comparison, seeing as the Wizard came out nearly three years ago...

The Wizard has long since been superseded by newer & better featured smartphones, from HTC & others... smartphones that don't have a crappy camera, for example...

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The Iphone isn't competing with a 3 year old smartphone.. Although it is interesting to note that my two year old (well nearly) HTC Tytn II has a few features in common with the new Iphone..

3G (with High speed support), a 2Megapixel camera (which, as with the one on the Iphone is crap). WiFi.

It also has a couple which I don't believe the Iphone has... Bluetooth with A2DP support for Stereo audio. A flash. A memory card slot (with support for high capacity micro SD cards).

It doesn't have GPS or a nice user interface (in fact, whoever designed Windows Mobile needs to leave Microsoft and find a job they can do) though.

If you are going to compare the Iphone with other smartphones, at least pick some that are recent.

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I got the 3G version today and am looking to sell the old one on eBay, Has anyone got any tips on how to sell it. I.E What should I consider, how much should I sell it for, should I unlock it?

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I got an iPhone 3G 16GB White today :) its so cool. Now need to sell my ipod touch as its no longer needed.

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Speaking of the iPhone, O2 have released the PAYG iPhone prices.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/09/01/o2_payg_iphone/

£350 = 8gb
£400 = 16gb

BUT includes 1 year unlimited data and hotspot access to The Cloud/BT Openzone. Unlimited data/wifi is £10/month after the first year. £10 topup gets you 500 mins. Normal PAYG tariffs apply for calls.

Not a bad deal then. Getting seriously tempted myself.

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What do you think of the iphone pay as you go?

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

Any catches?

I don't get what it means by free wi-fi, surely wifi is free by default.

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It means wifi hotspot coverage via The Cloud and BT Openzone

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Well not strictly JUST iPhone, but I just installed firmware 2.1 on my iPod touch and all I can say is I am actually impressed as it fixed the issues i've been having with stupidly long installs, having to restore it every week and the silly backup times.

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Gah, us iPhone users have to wait till tomorrow :(

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So...

Despite my usual irrational dislike of all things "Apple", and despite still finding it amusing to criticise the rather bizarre lack of a decent camera / MMS / video recording / A2DP stereo Bluetooth / Bluetooth file transfer etc. in a mid-2008 smartphone, I'm definitely swaying towards getting an iPhone 3G in a couple of months when my current T-Mobile contract expires, to replace my N95.

'Cos, well, I don't actually really care about having a decent camera on a phone (I rarely ever use the one on my N95), don't ever use MMS, don't ever record video on my phone, don't ever transfer files over Bluetooth, and don't have a stereo Bluetooth headset.

Decent music & video playback is a must for my next phone, along with a decent web browser. Plus of course it helps if it's actually good as a phone too.

So, some questions for CF's iPhone 3G owners...

Is it really that good?

Is the UI really as awesome as it's claimed to be?

What's it actually like as a phone?

What's it like as a portable media player?

What's it like for web browsing etc.?

Are there any decent Apps yet?

Cheers :)


Also, one thing putting me off is the worry that a few months after I get one, Apple will then bring out a 3rd generation iPhone...

I have read rumours of a 32GB iPhone, & an iPhone Nano, but has anyone heard anything about any actual successor to the current iPhone?

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I have had my 3G since a month after the launch and must say I would not change it for any other phone that is out now. Yes it has a few flaws but the good points are a lot bigger.

Browsing is pretty good on the phone, the safari browser is fairly competant.

The UI really is one of the best out there, so simple to use yet everything you could need is there.

As its also a fully fledged iPod touch its great as a portable media player, and it all works through iTunes.

Lastly as a phone it works really well, I have not had any issues with that part of the phone at all.

Also if they decide to add MMS then they can do with a software update.

Best advice is try to get a shot on one in an O2 store or an Apple store and play about with it for a while to see what you think.

The App store is a great thing too there are so many applications and games both free and paid for that you can get.

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Yep.

Oh yes.

Err you can hear the other person, they can hear you and thats about it really.

Superb. I've got a couple of movies, some episodes of South Park and Family Guy plus 3-4 gigs of music on mine and watching video is pretty good. Virtually everyone I've shown it to have been blown away by the quality of the screen.

Pretty good. 99% of the webpages work just as well as on a 'normal' browser.

Yep. Some of the games are superb and some of the free apps are amazing.

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Cheers guys :tu:

Does texting with the touchscreen take a lot of getting used to?

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Not at all, its really easy to use as its a qwerty keyboard and you will easily get the hang of it.

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Will it work if you're wearing gloves?

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Nope. Although you can get gloves that work with iPods/iPhones. I've got a pair of these which work fine.

http://www.tuaw.com/2006/12/12/iglov...i-ipod-gloves/

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Cool.

I think I'll follow your suggestion & have a look in the O2 or Apple shop.

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Well, I'm probably going the same way. My N95 is brilliant, and although the iPhone isn't as good in some areas (the camera being the main one), I'm looking at the iPhone.

1) My N95 has been repaired a few times, and I am not entirely happy with the service I have received either from Nokia or Carphone Warehouse (first time it was repaired, CPW broke the GPS, so it went back to Nokia. Nokia sent a snotty letter saying it was beyond economical repair, but repaired it anyway).

2) The battery life sucks.
3) Even though our systems at work are almost entirely Windows based, the iPhone integrates with them a lot better than the N95.

Plus I actually miss a touch screen,

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I'm sure Apple would like to get to a place where their product spec stacks up, like for like, against other smartphones, but in the interim, I'm sure they have made a similar calculation to you - there are enough people out there who aren't sufficiently bothered about that stuff for it to put them off buying one.

Bearing in mind that Apple is a public listed company that has to be seen to be doing all it can to turn a profit, I suspect they thought it was better to launch the iPhone when they did, and incrementally improve its specs with each new generation, rather than have nothing on the market for another 2-3 years while their R&D department frantically tried to build, from scratch, what other companies have grown almost organically over many years, with the revenue from older generations of their products funding development of the newer ones.

Now, a question for all you iPhone users, if I may: Is anyone here using an unlocked phone? I would like to own one at some point but the only mobile network with any coverage around where I live is Orange, so I can only realistically own a handset that can work on that network. Is unlocking safe and reliable? Which unlocking service did you use? TIA. :)

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The unlock for the 3G iPhone has just been released, have a potch about online for it.

Not sure how stable it is yet though...

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I suspect the limited bluetooth, lack of MMS and lack of cut and paste functionality (I know Matt didn't complain about that, but I know people who have) could be sorted in a future software update anyway.

Of course, that won't fix the camera, but, tbh, Apple have done staggeringly well with the iPhone without a decent camera, so maybe a good camera is not as much of a selling point as the other manufacturers would have you believe.

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I've never felt the need to have a camera on my phone. I have a proper, dedicated digital camera for taking pictures, which allows me to set the shot up the way I want it. A camera attached to a phone is possibly a bonus but would be way down the list of things I wanted to check out before buying a smartphone.

Actually, I think I use my camera more than I use my phone. Maybe I should get a camera with a phone built in? :spin:

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This is what puts me off though. I use MMS and Bluetooth a lot. I also mark out for a good camera. To me the iPhone is a flawed diamond and those flaws would irritate the life out of me.

The point with the camera is also annoying. See, if only Apple could have provided a decent and respectable one then the iPhone would have been a world-beater and they'd have gained a stranglehold in the industry.

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And I still say that anyone who thinks you can find a 'good' camera in a phone - any phone - has no idea what a 'good' camera is.

There's more to life than megapixels.

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I have to admit, before I had an N95 (which does have a good camera, although it can have problems in low light), I didn't really use the camera on my phone. Now, I do. In fact, despite the fact I have a more decent digital camera, I often used it on Holiday to save carrying the camera round, especially when I was on my way back and spent an extra day in Istanbul, but, tbh, that was as much because the camera was packed in my luggage, and I couldn't be bothered to unpack it.

Oh, and it's good for taking photos of nights out (both drunk and not), but, I am not sure that is a good thing.

When I get rid of the N95 (which I probably will), will I miss the Camera? If I go for an Iphone, probably, but I am not sure it's actually enough to stop me getting an Iphone.

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I don't take photography as seriously as yourself - I've seen some of the awesome shots you've come up with and that's what they are - awesome. But this is an example:

http://uk.geocities.com/russburt@bti.../DSC00005a.jpg

Took this with a SE K800i (it's the back of Torchwood HQ ;)) I'm not a photography buff but if I see something I think will look good on camera then I want something I can rely on to make it look good. I don't want to be carrying a camera AND a phone around with me so any phone I have will need to be able to come up with something good.

I haven't seen anything from the iPhone to suggest it meets that criteria. As has been mentioned if a camera phone is not your thing then it doesn't matter obviously. But I know there is a mass-market of people who share my view.

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I did take some amazing photos with my N95

However I don't mind my iPhone having a poor camera cause I have a Samsung NV24HD that is compact enough to carry with me for everyday photography needs and my Panasonic FZ50 for proper photography use.

Its just handy having a camera built in to the phone for those unexpected moments you need to capture.

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"Good" is comparitive. The N95 has a good camera compared to other phones (and some low end digital cameras). OK, it won't beat a good (or even a basic) DSLR, but it's a hell of a lot more conveniant.

Having said that, you are right. I've seen photos taken by my cousin on his Canon DSLR (and EOS 1 IIRC) that blow any photos taken by cheaper Digital cameras with more megapixels out of the water.

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Love it.

Good enough for me to sometimes just play with it without actually having anything to do. Love the way the physics work on it.

Good as anything I have used. Tried it last night with an old jabra bluetooth and that was just amazing, paired so easy and quick then when you make a call it gives you the option to bluetooth,iphone or speakerphone swapping between them on the fly instantly, very impressed.

Fantastic

Best browsing available

Loads.

Well if theres something getting announced soon then it will be today at the macworld keynote so you should see news hitting around 6pm tonight.

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I like my gen1 iPhone - I'm not fussed about GPS (I've got a separate GPS). The only thing I do miss is stereo bluetooth - simply because my O2 cocoon had it and I bought a headset for it - but the Cocoon didn't last long in build quality.

Its a 2mpx camera on the iPhone...is this not good enough? Whats the point in more mpx when most people dont routinely print their photos on full size a4 pages?? MMS would be a good addition as its annoying on the occasion where i have to goto a website just to view MMS's that people have sent me.

I think I'll be moving away from the iPhone though if they don't sort out the bluetooth thing (as the recent 2.2 update has made mine go a bit hit-n-miss). I have bluetooth in my car - but it wont connect to my iPhone...which is VERY annoying!

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Yup.

The few times I've used the camera on my N95 have mainly been "drunken nights out", such as my Stag, my friend's Stag, & a work Christmas Party, plus the odd random occasion when I haven't had a camera handy. Random pics that are just viewed on a computer.

Although it's 5MP & has a Zeiss lens, I don't ever use the N95 for "proper photos" as I don't think it can really compare to a proper compact camera (not that it tries to or is meant to, of course). For starters the JPEG compression is IMO way too high (Oh Nokia, why is there no setting!) & of course there's no optical zoom. If I want to take decent shots, I can use the Canon IXUS, or (if I'm allowed ;) ) SWMBO's Nikon D40.

So, although the iPhone's 2MP really is quite lame compared to other current (& older!) smartphones & cameraphones, it doesn't matter to me as it'd still be good enough for "random drunken pics" etc. etc.

Cheers :)

Nothing at Macworld, so I think I'll just stick with the current plan of getting a 16GB iPhone 3G at the end of Feb :)


EDIT: Then again, it's the CES later this week. Wonder if they'll reveal anything at that.

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I have the iPhone, have had it for 4 - 5 months now. It's a love hate relationship.

Couldnt care about the camera, its fine for the little I use it. It has everything I need, IMAP, a good, controlable, GUI. I love having my iPod in my phone, tis handy, saves carrying two devices around.


I think.. and this is a think.. that the iPhone "3" Apple may and I mean may, have listened and do something more

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just installed this from the app store, cool little free app.

http://iphonemms.net/

There is someone working on a proper bluetooth stack for the iphone which will bring stereo headsets and external keyboards as well as file sharing..

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If you are looking for a new phone and you are in the o2 shop, have a look at one of these

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Hmm. Free app, but you have to buy credits to use to actually send anything. Bit crap when you consider that if Apple actually gave it MMS support, sending an MMS would presumably simply come out of your SMS allowance like with any other phone & tariff.



I do like SE (my old P900 is still one of my favourite phones), but Windows Mobile instead of Symbian? Hmm. I have bad memories of WM.

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Well I took the plunge.....and went for the G1 instead :D

Posting on it right now from in Pizza Hut in the Bull Ring in Birmingham. Takes a bit of getting used to { no not the place} and the baattery life is poor but I'm hoping a few more charges will help. Power saving applications are available too and a new big update is due any day too :}

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So good, and so excited, you posted twice :D

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Check out this page, and scroll down to Power Manager.

Some of the other apps on the page are pretty cool as well.

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Couple more q's for iPhone owners... :)

What cases do people recommend?

What about screen protectors?

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Can't answer the case Q as I don't bother with them. Don't really think they are needed.

As for screen protectors, the glass that they use is pretty much scratch proof! I haven't got a single mark on the screen after 5 months use and its in my pocket everyday without a cover.

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I was always rather disparaging of smartphones, and up to a point I still am.

However, I recently won a Blackberry Pearl at work so I have been playing with it and I quite like them.

At work (it's a mobile phone company) we recently had demonstrations of both the iPhone and also a rival, the HTC Touch HD.

I like both but I prefer the HTC Touch HD. A snip at around £500 though. :o

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I forgot the link :dunce:

http://i.gizmodo.com/5116346/the-10-...d-apps-of-2008

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Cheers! Some great stuff there :tu:

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I can't have an iPhone yet. I'm not out of my current contract until June.

Once I can (assuming I can justify the price at that point) I'll probably get myself one :)

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I don't know if it's been posted yet, too much to trawl through, but an MMS app is available from the app store, although it's tied to a web page setup it's still MMS, or so they say ;)

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Bought one late this afternoon...

Impatience is a virtue? :erm:

All sync'd up, contacts & music.

Not had much of a play yet (pub tonight), but think it's wicked so far.

I got a case type thing which clips over the back half, with a screen protector thing for the screen.

Not bad. Better than some of the bulky looking ones which cover everything. (what's the point in a case, if you have to take it out every time you want to use it, or even look at the screen?)

handyman mentioned one earlier. (if you're thinking of the same one) It requires that you buy credits to be able to send messages.

Bit crap really, as if Apple actually bothered to give it MMS properly they'd just come out of your SMS allowance (1 MMS = 4 SMS?) as with other phones & tariffs.

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I bought a full protective screen, Invisishield IIRC, it's the same coating they use on helicopter blades and is tough as, I only got round to putting the front on though ( or at least Rammy did :D ) never bothered with the back.
Mmmmm, seems so, just had a play with it, I can recieve for free and reply with text for free but if I want to send a picture then yes, I have to pay :( +/- £4 for 10 MMS getting slightly cheaper the bigger bundle you buy. It is a quick fix if needed in the short term, Apple need to address this asap, as well as the other 'quirks' BT for one

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Yup. Surely MMS, Bluetooth A2DP, Bluetooth file transfer, copy & paste etc. are all things which could be sorted via a software update.


Anyway. I love this phone so far. Like I said before, although I find the limitations quite bizarre, that doesn't particularly bother me, as for my own use I don't need stereo BT or a decent camera etc. (although tbh copy & paste would be nice!, lol). Set that all aside... OMG, this phone really is awesome, even if you just consider it as a PMP & web device with a phone tacked on.

Using Gmail on the mail client is so much better than the Nokia mail client on my N95, & so much better than the actual Gmail app on my N95.

The browser is the best I've used on a mobile device. Flash would be nice, but I'm not that fussed though as BBC's iPlayer works anyway, while the phone has a YouTube client pre-installed.

And the iPod side... :)


OS... I quite liked Symbian UIQ on my SE P900, hated Windows Mobile on my XDA Mini S (HTC Wizard), & didn't mind Symbian S60 on my N95. The iPhone's OS though... it really is excellent.


The apps already on it seem very good, mostly, as do the ones I've tried out from the App Store (like the Facebook one). The inbuilt Calendar is a bit crap though... I would have liked it to link to the Contacts for birthdays etc. Or let you sync with Google Calendar seeing as you can sync with Google Contacts.

Oh, & I do miss the Sky Anytime Remote Record thing I had on the N95 though.


My PAC should be going through on Wednesday, so I can then whack my N95 up on eBay or something.

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There are some work arounds until Jobs decides to allow the proles to copy/paste.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5107138/iphone-...afari-and-mail

http://i.gizmodo.com/366607/copy-and...one-with-icopy

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Cheers, Gav :tu:

Better than nothing, at least. Still find it a very odd feature to leave out.

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The thing is, it wasn't just left out, its actively ignored. There have been multitude of updates, and not one has come close. Everyone at Cupertino must have heard about it.

I suspect its disabled for security reasons. Every app is sandboxed (runs in its own memory space) for security. However to copy/paste would mean allowing sandboxes to 'connect' to each other, which deafeats the object of sandboxing in the first place. Or it would mean running the copy/paste as a system-level app which would be dangerous if it were compromised. I should imagine it would be easy too, just copy a malformed string when an exploit is found.

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Interesting, that does make some sense I guess.

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Indeed. I don't think people care though. You have to balance convenience with security (if you've used Vista with ACL you'll know what I mean).

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This thread keeps making me think the forum's kicking off, every time I see it in my subscribed list. In the team forums, if we're discussing a problematic thread, our discussion normally has a title along the lines of "The XYZ Thread" ... so I keep thinking there's a big iPhone flame-war in progress. :D

Anyway, now I'm here, I'm reminded of why I'm subscribed to the thread. Has anyone admitted to running an unlocked iPhone on here yet? I'm well aware of where to go to get it done, but at the moment I'm interested in personal accounts of doing it. TIA. :)

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Hell yeah. Jailbroke mine the first day I got it and never looked back. Waaaay better than my old BlackBerry Curve. Takes about 5 minutes to do. What do you want to know?

Speaking of iPhones, we should get an iPhone theme for the forum...Paul?? :D

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I suppose the most important questions are, which is the most reliable method, and how well do unlocked phones cope with any software updates Apple may send them? Are Apple deliberately trying to cripple unlocked phones? It's an awfully expensive piece of kit to get bricked, if it all goes wrong ...

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You can - and although it looks like a faff to set up it's a once only 5 min for full sync with google calender.

I find it really useful. ;-)

http://www.ianfernando.com/2008/sync...ith-iphone-3g/

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Ah, cheers for that - I may give it a go :tu: :)

-----

I've not tried too many apps yet.

So far, I've installed...

Facebook

Google

Flixster Movies



The Facebook app is very good. The Google app seems OK, although I'm not sure quite how useful it is when you can simply open up Google Maps for location stuff, or Google search via Safari, etc. Maybe I'm missing something.


Flixter Movies is very good. Uses the "My Location" GPS (or postcode) to list your nearest cinemas. You can select favourite cinemas, view listings, view cinema address & phone info, etc. Also lets you watch trailers. Handy if you're out & want to check what's on.

What are people's favourite or most used apps?

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running the jailbreak on your iphone, is that not the same as using a dodgy stb for tv services? or is it ok because its apple?

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I don't see how it's the same?

One involves obtaining TV services without paying for them, the other involves being able to install the applications of your *choice* and use the network provider of your *choice* - you're not obtaining anything without paying what you should do.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jailbreak_(iPhone)

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of course i like your simplistic view being able to run and download all apps for nothing is just a bonus (i use a itouch). what im getting at is, it is of course as dodgy as hell but because it suits people on here it gets tolerated.
why should you be able to use "your" operator of choice when 02 have paid apple for the licence, is it not the same to let customers use there dreambox of choice for tv reception?

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Why should you have to be restricted to only using apps from the App Store via iTunes? What's wrong with being able to use loads of other freeware software like you can with other smartphone platforms? I could install what I wanted - freeware & paid - with my old smartphones running Symbian UIQ / Windows Mobile / Symbian S60, so why not with the iPhone

I don't have a problem with the O2 restriction for contract iPhones, as they're subsidised quite a bit, so Apple & O2 are actually following the traditional model there for the UK & European mobile market - cheap phone, locked to a certain network.


But if you pay the full price for a PAYG iPhone, why should you be restricted to O2?

If you buy any other phone outright, you are not locked to a specific network, so why are you with the iPhone?

What if, like Chris, you want an iPhone, and are willing to pay full price for an iPhone, but you don't actually have any O2 reception? Or what if you do, but you simply want to choose a different network due to getting a better tariff?

How is that fair or competitive?

Was worse with the original iPhone, as that wasn't even subsidised on contract IIRC, so you had to pay for the whole thing yourself & still be stuck with O2 whether you went contract or PAYG.


The TV analogy doesn't work IMO -

If you use a dodgy STB, rather than an official VM supplied STB, you are still connecting to the VM cable TV network and are still obtaining VM cable TV services without paying for them.

With a Jailbroken iPhone containing e.g. a T-Mobile SIM, you are not even using the O2 mobile network, let alone using the O2 mobile network without paying. It's not the same...


However, having said all that, I've not Jailbroken mine & am quite happy to be stuck back with O2. Was with them for years, since BT Cellnet & Genie, before regretfully ditching them for T-Mobile in 2007. Much prefer O2 to my last network, and I don't want to screw up the warranty on my nice shiny new phone.

Still, if Apple would allow the iPhone to do various things such as MMS, copy & paste, video recording, Bluetooth file transfer, Bluetooth A2DP, and other features which I always assumed to be rather standard things, then perhaps it would at least lessen part of the demand for Jailbreaking (running non-Apple apps).

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Well I used QuickPwn on windows, although there is MAC jailbreak software too.

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2009/01/jailbreak3g-win.html

It is really simple, you just sync you phone with iTunes, load up QuickPwn, and follow the on screen instructions. 5 mins, including rebooting. Literally.

Software updates... well the phone works fine with application updates, from Cydia (non iTunes software) and AppStore software. Actual phone software updates...if you update using iTunes then all non-AppStore software get's wiped off - i.e. the phone gets returned to 'Apple' state and that is it. The phone is only updated by the user through iTunes, and is not sent as an update. Alternatively, you can wait for a new version of QuickPwn which works with the newest iPhone firmware version. What happens is Apple releases a new update, and then a few days/weeks later QuickPwn is updated to jailbreak that version of iPhone software. You then download the firmware image, open QuickPwn which modifies/jealbreaks the image, and then updates your phone.

Plus once you Jailbreak you can install themes :D

All good Apps. Try:

• AppSniper - awesome for getting deals on Apps, run this every day
• TwitterFon - Twitter client
• fring - VoIP (SIP), MSN, AIM, etc
• a2z pro - conversion software
• Shazam - recognise and tag any song
• Backgrounds - download cool lockscreen backgrounds directly from Flickr
• IfFound - add "If Found then do this..." message onto Lockscreen backgrounds
  

Apps from Cydia after Jailbreaking

• iTalk - free voice recorder
• WinterBoard - theme engine
• BossPrefs - tweak settings
• A Better Tap to Unlock - tap instead of slide to unlock (stupid slider)
• biteSMS - horizontal keyboard on SMS (MUST HAVE)
• Categories - put apps in folders on home screen (or whatever they are called)
• iMobileCinema - Safari Flash plugin
• StatusNotifer - icons for email, SMS, IM, Calls, VM on statusbar
• Notifer Widget - As above but displayed on lockscreen

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Cool, cheers Frank. I put Shazam on today, I'll give the others a look too.

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Cheers muchly for the info :tu:

My next question is how you persuade a wife to let you buy one, but as I don't think you have one of those I'll leave you alone. :disturbd: :D

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Another (poor-ish) copy/paste solution for jailbroken phones.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5135473/clippy-...broken-iphones

It OK, but its built into the keyboard, so it only works on editable text. So you can't copy off a webpage, but you can copy off of emails etc once you've hit reply.

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I heard there are talks of bringing out a 32gb Iphone, something people were expecting at that Apple event early January - but now theyre thinking it might come out in the end of January.

Should I buy the 16gb now or wait for the 32gb? And do you guys think the price is going to fall anytime soon?

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I was worried about them bringing out a 32GB version, but in the end just went for the 16GB.

The rumours had been around for a while, but nothing got announced at "Macworld" earlier this month, nor at the "CES" after it.

If you wait for the next thing to come out, you'll never buy anything!


If they were due to release a new version anytime this month (or soon), I would have thought it would have been announced at Macworld...


From what I've read about the storage capacity, the issue is with the price & availability of the right kind of flash memory.

The iPod Touch can have a 32GB version as it has two slots for flash memory chips, so the 32GB model has 2 x 16GB chips.

The iPhone only has one slot, due to the other stuff crammed inside. So to have a 32GB iPhone you need a single 32GB chip. And 32GB chips of the right kind of type & size for fitting in an iPhone have apparently only recently gone into production (or were due to), so I'd think would still be rather expensive.

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hmmmm very informative post matt...thanks

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Well, Apple have apparently allowed someone to release an application that does ballistics calculation and apparently allows Snipers to become more efficient..

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01...flight_iphone/

When you take that into account with the fact that Apple banned an app that shows cartoon breasts bouncing, sort of shows up America's interesting morality. An app that shows breasts is bad. One that enables people to shoot (and presumably kill) people is OK..

In fairness, it may the the case that Apple haven't seen it, so haven't banned it yet.

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That app might have been "virtually" useful the other day when I took my "Americas Army" (game) Advanced Marksmanship test :) - now if only apple would release a virtual reality iphone ;)

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I love Apple, and their new fangled inventions, they're great.

To think... a mobile phone, that has a camera, can play music & games and connect to the internet.

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LOL @ cjmarcantionio's comment!

Highly amusing.

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Just had my work iPhone 16GB delivered, and iTunes installed on my (work) laptop. :D

All up an running now, synced with Exchange mail/calendar/contacts, and authorised this laptop - nice and easy.

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foreverwar, contract or pay as you go? and what network, tariff and how much you pay for the phone?

also hows the 2mp camera like everybody? I know a phone is not to be used for as a standalone digital camera but still...

Looks like i might just get the 16gb, no point in waiting for 32gb if it does come out lol

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As he says its a work phone I am guessing it will be a contract and also he probably didn't need to pay for it himself:)

The camera isn't great at all. Although as long as there is a decent amount of light pictures can be ok.

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right ok...I apoligise...didnt read "work".

Sometimes I think, just get 16gb now, but id hate the fact if 32gb got announced in like two weeks. I mean ideally I would like as many gb as possible, all my music folders add up to around 30gb. Then 16gb isnt actually 16gb is it...its more likely to be around 13gb.

ahhh decisions...I just sold an x1 which i got for free for £350 - fees = £310. so in essence Id be paying £80 pounds more for the iphone...on payg for £390, also im on simplicity £20 at the moment, dont like to be tied in into a contract.

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If there was to be a 32GB then it would have been announced at Macworld.

There are a few factors that will prevent the 32Gb getting released anytime soon.

Even though the iPod Touch has a 32GB the iPhone can't at the moment due to only having space for one chip and the Touch has room for 2 chips as it doesn't have all the phone stuff, so it can fit in the two 16GB chips.

Until the single 32GB chips are available at a decent price I don't think there will be a 32Gb iPhone released.

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I have to admit, I think I'll go for the 16 gig when I get one. TBH, on my n95, I have an 8 Gig MicroSDHC card which still has 2 gig left, and still has everything I want on it, but I'm gonna have the iPhone for 18 months, so it's as well to have some room for expansion if I should need more storage.

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I only have an 8gig and i have everything on it that I need and its still got 6.5gig left free!

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I only had a 4GB card in my N95, lol.

On my 16GB iPhone, I've only currently got maybe 5GB of music, although there's a few more CDs I want to rip.

I think most of the rest of the space will get filled with videos.

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Plus the iPhone is an iPod, you might find yourself using it as a music player a lot more..

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I remember my very first mobile with music playback... a Nokia 5510 with a whopping 64MB of storage, lol :D

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Well people Ive finally made the plunge for the 16gb black version - only paid £80 from o2, should be here by tomorrow, but ive got college, so got to wait until 4 clock lol

however I would like to know if anyone could help me, as I understand it, the iphone comes with 12 months unlimited data and wifi. Currently im on simplicity 10 with 200 mins and texts. What I would like to know is could o2 transfer my simplicity deal along with the old number to the new sim that comes with the iphone and still maintain that 12 month free unlimited data?

if the above isnt possible, then could they just transfer the 12 months free data and wifi to my simplicity sim? is free data and wi-fi associated with the mac address or sim?

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I've already got an 80 gig ipod classic.

The only time I tend to use my phone as a music player is when I go out drinking.

I think I should explain that a little. I don't take my ipod as I don't want to risk it being nicked (it tends to live in my jacket pocket). I tend to keep my phone in my trouser pocket, so it is handy if I ever need to call someone (like a cab at the end of the night).

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Even with a 40Gb 3rd gen iPod (vintage - that's how I roll :cool: ) my iPod has been relegated to 2nd music player. My k850 with an 8Gb card in it has enough music on it for riding around on subways and commuting etc and fits in my jeans / trouser pocket nicely. The iPod and noise cancelling headphones are not used on longer journeys, planes, trains, automobiles and the like.

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Be careful about buying one second-hand...

http://forum.ipcsuite.com/topics/17/...ime=1232593571

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What's the world coming to when you can't even trust a mugger anymore? :rofl:

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One small glitchette.

I have iTunes on my home PC, for my original 80GB video iPod and iTouch. Work set up my work iPhone and iTunes on my work laptop, which means I can't transfer music from my home iTunes to my work iPhone, as it threatens to erase it and sync, which would p off my Tech Support guys (and, as I'm their boss, I try not to do that too much).

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You need to change the settings so it manually syncs and you choose what music to put on it.

I have my iPhone set up and working on my iMac and also Windows laptop, and have it set to manaully update my iPhone.