Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Every time we get a speed upgrade scaremongerers go on about how the network will collapse with all the leechers downloading, and guess what? It never happens.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

if ntl are larger than TW then they will have a proportionally larger work force and resources.

you could argue that TW are a smaller company and therefore have less rescources!

Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 

You're right in the fact that you won't get downstream at 10Mbits flat out. This is because the modem can only send or receive, but not both at the same time.

The silver Ambit (NTL branded) modems have a auto-sensing full-duplex capable port that can operate at 100Mbps. In my case the WAN port of my router is only 10Base-T (half duplex) so for me I will have to change my router so the WAN port is capable of ayt least full duplex operation. I could further future-proof the router upgrade by making sure the WAN port is also 100Mbps capable.
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I'm sure I've seen `34Mbps` on some data sheet. Ambit has since removed the information for the modem from their support site in favour of the blue modem that NTL are now using. (NTL 250). I'm trying to find this information again. This number of 34Mbps appears to have clearly stuck in my mind.

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I couldn't give a monkeys who thought of it first. TW don't have cable on my street; NTL do.

I'll compare & contrast the deals I can actually get.

At the moment, just as its been for the last year and a half, the best deal on offer for my needs is from NTL. And it looks like that'll continue. :)

Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 

can anyone tell why i can not up grade my speed on line. it tells me to phone. i'am in the macclesfield area, and have a silver ntl modem

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Telewest registering faults on their website for the whole of Edinburgh, the whole of Birmingham and Newcastle says how hard they were pushing their resources.

They may have upgraded their core network but the local networks won't be capable of handling this abuse, their core is still in the process of upgrading, and even that is only to the same standards as the existing ntl architecture that has been present for 3+ years.

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You gotta wonder tho whats going on, the exact same thing happened last time, NTL announced first and then wait for months before they start, Telewest announce after and starting it next month.

Also if I read it right the £50 package is been scrapped? so for £35 they get unmetered 10mbit. They are undercutting NTL by £3 and have no caps or proxies. In another industry with such a gap in service and price by different companies one could complaing to trading standards and the offending company would be asked to justify their price, but I suspect in the communications industry they get away with it.
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I looked it up a couple of days ago was hard to find but the ambit 120 can do 38meg/sec

Interesting tho is what else I found out.

for docsis2 a ambit 200 or higher is needed, ambit 120 supports some kind of dual mode to do with the docsis the model below it doesnt. I would imagine if docsis 3 got rolled out a newer modem then ambit 200 is needed.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

A120s do DOCSIS and EuroDOCSIS, the first SACMs to do so (the 200 and 250 also do, plus allegedly having DOCSIS2 compliance). EuroDOCSIS has substantially higher downstream bandwidth at a given modulation than DOCSIS.

Why? ntl aren't a monopoly, after all. You might as well complain that BT don't have a 3Mb broadband service while ntl do.

The justification for any price charged is that it's what the market will bear - companies have a primary duty to maximise shareholder return, not to cut prices.

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Doesn't always work like that.. They still have to secure supplies (like STBs, Modems etc). If they go to Samsung with an order for (say) 10,000 STBs, it's going to take Samsung a few months to produce that many.

Also, bear in mind that Telewest only have a few different networks, NTL have many more. Because of this, any testing being done has to be done more carefully, and will take longer.

And, if Ignition is correct, Telewest are running on hardware that is quite old compared to that installed by NTL, so they have done a lot of the testing before and have no need to repeat it.

It's a bit like a situation we have where I work. Including all the testing, it takes me a good couple of weeks to install new bit of software at work. At home, it takes me a few minutes. But, at work, I have to check it on all sorts of different PCs and under all sorts of conditions as, if it works, we will roll out it to around 500 PCs.

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Perhaps we should have been complaining that both cablecos were charging £25 for a product, but with ntl it got you 2Mbit and Telewest just 1?

Also to cross post ntl have 50% more on-net customers yet potentially over twice as much bandwidth and twice as many uBRs, a good proportion of which run EuroDOCSIS which delivers more bandwidth than the DOCSIS TW use.

Not quite sure what your obsession with which DOCSIS standard is deployed is, all the standards are backwards compatible and DOCSIS 2 doesn't offer any downstream increase over DOCSIS 1/1.1 anyway.

All modems can be portrayed as doing 38Mbps on the RF interface, the 120 can actually deal with 51Mbit/s channel, doesn't mean it wouldn't choke if you stuffed that much IP traffic at it, that's a lot of packets per second potentially.

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well good news if telewest is offering 10meg for £35, and starting from next month region by region, looks like NTL will be last again to get 10meg out and the most expensive to boot.

and the best bit-

*All the tiers will remain free of usage limitations, following research* showing consumers' confusion over bandwidth caps. The company believes its unlimited policy continues to give customers peace of mind and the ability to get the most out of rich media content.


shame NTL don't follow suit!

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As far as "the best bit" goes, what does it mean. I have been to many "all you can eat" breakfast buffets where you can eat as much as you want but you find that the only things readily available are cornflakes, baked beans and toast. The bacon only comes out now and again and you are lucky to get any.

It is very easy for an ISP to say they give you a service free of any usage limitations and with free 24/7 technical support but what can the reality be like? Contention could be a factor virtually all the time and it becomes a case of you can have as much as you like as long as others let you. The one 24/7 technical support line may also be very hard to get through on.

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come on on stop defending NTL to the hilt all the time, you know as much as me is Good that we are getting this upgrade, but you also must agree we always seem to get a paper launch and then Telewest comes up with something better and actual goes through and says what they say there going to do within weeks rather than 16months as what NTL are saying, also with all the relevent info, pricing ect,ect- just seems NTL always do things half hearted and let everyone argue and speculate what and when its going to happen.

We are going to do this, we are the 1st to do so, but by the time you have it - everyone on other isps will have it also and much cheaper and no caps

Come On NTL get a grip and actual do something instantly, compulsive and make us all happy.

and we ain't talking about cornflakes, baked beans and toast either!

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Well said m8! Thats exactly what i think too. ;)

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Good heavens, stop whinging! I signed up for NTL Broadband back when it was 512Kb for £25. It went to 600Kb, then 750Kb, then (IIRC) 1.5Mb, Now the same package is 2Mb and next year it's going to be 10Mb. All for no price increase.

I have since moved to a house that is not only off-net for NTL, it is so remote it is borderline for any kind of ADSL. I'm back on dial-up and, kilobit for kilobit, in comparison to cable broadband I'm paying a small fortune for it. Meanwhile, you continue to enjoy super-fast broadband and it's not costing you a penny more each time they upgrade you.

Stop moaning and enjoy the ride!

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The NTL 2mb package was never 1.5MB.

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That arguement is getting so painfully old. NTL had to offer those speed increases. Can you imagine them in todays market offering a 512k connection for £50? They didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to keep up with others.

Announcing first does not make you an industry leader, it's how you go about rolling it out

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Do you not think that Telewest might have actually thought this through? Just because they are doing something different to NTL does not automatically mean that their plans are not viable. They aren't going to be throwing around something that will never live up to expectations, otherwise they'll be constantly dealing with bodies such as Trading Standards. Just because NTL do things one way does not mean that is the only way to do things. There are other ISPs that do not have download caps. Are we honestly to believe that NTL, given their sterling track record of getting things wrong, actually have this right? I certainly do not.

As far as getting through to technical support is concerned, getting through to NTL isn`t excactly an easy task, so that criticism of Telewest doesn`t have any relevance IMO.

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All that is irrelevant. Do you or do you not have a reasonably priced broadband connection that allows you to do what you want reasonably quickly?

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If you read my post correctly you would see that it wasn't actually defending NTL but pointing out that claims being made by ISP's can appear to mean one thing but reality can mean that they mean something completely different. An ADSL ISP may offer a 8Mb package but that doesn't mean you are going to get 8Mb all the time and you may never get anywhere close to 8Mb. A unlimited, uncapped service means that you can only get what your connection speed allows, what the systems that you are connecting to allow you to have and what other users sharing any part of your connection to those systems allow you to have.Think about putting a cake on the centre spot at Old Trafford on a match day when the ground is full to capacity. You could make a tannoy announcement that all spectators can have an unlimited amount of the cake but how much do you think each would get? :D

If NTL was to "get a grip and actual do something instantly, compulsive and make us all happy" they would hold back on the news until everything was ready and then you would be complaining that they could have let you know earlier what was being planned.

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Of course it is relevant. NTL need to announce this because by the time they've rolled it all out (by the end of 2006) ADSL2+ will be available. But they're obviously not ready to do it, but they need to show they can keep up with the competition.

I'm very happy with my connection, but i'd be much happier with 24mbit ADSL2+, and NTL know that. Joe Public doesn't realise that not everyone will get that speed, it's all marketing spin, but if NTL doesn't do anything to keep up, people will leave.

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I wonder if ntl will throw in a new 12 month contract with this upgrade to stop people going to adsl 2+?

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Very true, ADSL 2+ only delivers that sort of speed if you live practically on top of the exchange. But I find it strange that you condemn NTL for marketing spin whilst glossing over it on the part of proponents of ADSL who don't exactly dwell on its limitations.

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I don't condemn NTL, I'm just fed up of hearing that arguement all the time :p:

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@Robc66 you keep complaining, when adsl 2+ is released a lot of ppl arent going to be able to get anywhere near full speed because they will be too far from the exchange. With ntl everyone always gets good speeds, im on 2mb and my internet has never been below that.

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I am not complaining. I have good speed from ntl....but i am just looking at my options. If i can get a better deal then i will get it :D

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People will leave, yes, but how many? Most people will be quite happy with the speed that they have now and as long as they can do what they want with their present connection they won't be bothered . ISP's have to think about the vast majority of their customers not a select few who are probably make the ISP the least profit.

24mbit ADSL2+ may be about but having the technology available doesn't mean that the ISP is geared up to provide a sustainable service with it. Don't forget that many ISP's only have a very small percentage of the broadband customer base of the UK.

Many people are looking at the timeframe that NTL have quoted in their press release and taken the furthest away time as being the important factor. It is obvious that anyone on any speed can move the end of 2006 time to the end of 2005 by simply upgrading their service to the top tier, if only for a month and then back down again.

If it goes the same as the last lot of upgrades then customers on any speed will be able to upgrade within days of the release by being proactive rather than waiting for their automatic turn. Anyone who still has broadband through a Pace STB who wants to ensure getting 10Mb asap would be advised to upgrade their package above 1Mb asap in order to ensure they are not left at the back of the queue waiting for new equipment to arrive from suppliers.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Few facts about ADSL, reach, etc. Pls bear in mind that distances given are line length, not distance from exchange, and that 40 - 60% of lines in the UK are >3km long.

http://www.farina1.com/bookmark/0000...7/00020260.HTM

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I remember paying £50 a month back only 3 years ago for 1mb!!!

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Thanks for the info I'm not obessed but was curious because docsis3 got mentioned in the PR announcement.
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To back that up I believe NTL announced a drop from somewhere around 260million loss to 60million loss whilst telewest are in the black, so their strategy is viable. Telewest announced around 1% of their customers leave a month, does anyone have the NTL figure?
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Dont worry BT get my fair share of critisicm on adslguide, but comparing NTL to BT is not apple to apple, the fairest comparison is to telewest.

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Most customers aren't too bothered about the technology involved in getting their BB connection. Their main concern is having a connection that does what they want it to do.

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Thing is though, this can be a bonus for NTL who can also offer ADSL2+ over their own copper phone wire with a short distance to the equipment (possibly in the street cabinets). Ultra short distance = max speed = max reliability (hopefully). Not to mention each line is dedicated.

So basically, ADSL isn't necessarily a competitor for NTL, it's another option.

I personally believe that some kind of DSL technology is where NTL should be going (and NTL know this otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned ADSL2+ or be trialling it at the moment). I've always felt cable is flawed for broadband. It's like the old thick Ethernet cable which had numerous problems.

I'd be interested in a decent DSL connection from NTL as I'm convinced it wouldn't be subject to the problematic signal issues that I had with cable. If they could deliver 24Mbps ADSL2+ with a rock solid connection for £39 a month, and at the same time produce a miracle in their CS department to pull it from being the worst in the world;), then I'd be really interested.

Though if they stick expensive equipment in street cabinets they need to resolve the issue of Chavs kicking them in every few weeks ;)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

And as I type this people on TW are already using 10Mbit!!!!

Sheffield area I beleive there are some that have been jumped up onto it. Not sure if it is just a testing phase but people ARE using it!!

NTL will hopefully be doing the same when they hear about this.....Well, my fingers are crossed anyway. I have always had their top tier as they have released them and this time will be no difference....Provided they drop that silly 75GB cap.

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Nice. :)

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round & round we go where we end up everyone knows....

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I think it is just a trialling thing because it is being switched on and off....

This is what some people say they are getting...........

True Speed (estimated)
Downstream 9410 Kbps (1,176.3 KB/sec) 10162 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 362 Kbps (45.3 KB/sec) 390 Kbps (inc. overheads)


Anyone else Jealous of these people?? Hehehe

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Well, I don't!

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Where did you do the test?

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It is not my test but somebody else on another forum.

I beleive the test was done at adslguide.com

There is also apparenty alot of news posted about it on the BY forums but I have not visited them to confirm it. ;-)

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And as I read this people on NTL are already using 20Mbit if you missed it in the NTL press release. I forget how long ago some NTL customers were using 100 Mbit (yes, hundred in case you think I hit the 0 key twice by mistake). Dolphin Square if you want to know where.

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oooo look pigs are flying, and tony blair is wearing a pink tutu and doing the can can with george bush on a unicycle firing rockets from his butt.

errrrmm nope. :P I doubt anyone is on 10mb yet..

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Nah

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...9a9b93ebba48f7

Downstream 14976 Kbps (1,872.0 KB/sec) 16174 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 286 Kbps (35.8 KB/sec) 308 Kbps (inc. overheads)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

You have 15Mbit?

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:D

I think you will find unless it has been upgraded this was a fibre optic link into a large appartment complex in London (Dolphin Square) offering a 10Mbps connection for 49.99 a month for 12 months and then refunded so a free service for the big wigs.

Big difference between FTH (Fibre Optic to the Home) and the current routing.

Trust me I know as I used to be on their direct support phone line.

:D

See my original posting found here

:D

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Sorry dude Dolphin's connections were 100Mbit LX fibre to the home (FTTH, no such thing as FTH it's either FTTH or FTTP, fibre to the premises).

They might have been planned to be 10Mbps but were 100 according to both a customer of the service I knew there and the configuration that's still present on the switches still in the basement there.

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I still use the old 3com CMX cablemodem from when ntl first launched the service back in 1998. As far as I know this has a 10Mbit ethernet port. Although I'm sure maxing out the 10Mbps connection and therefore the modems port when the service appears will be difficult, would it be worth asking ntl to provide me with a new modem (I'm guessing they have 100Mbit ports)?

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Sorry if this has been posted in this forum already!

Just saw it in UK Chat!

http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=797:)

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Going on that if I upgraded to 3mb in September time/late august would I eligible?

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The only qualification for early birds is being on 3Mb so I can't see how you would not get upgraded in the coming weeks if you upgraded now. Go on, you know you want to. :)

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There is the small matter of money lol, and the gf to persuade.
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Doesn't the 3mb one already have a 400k upload?? is it really worth me upgrading say on Monday morning?

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Why oh why oh why do people keep on moaning about a 75GB cap on a 10Mbit connection thats a lot of data

52,083 1.2MB floppy disks
107 700MB CDs
16 4.7GB DVDs

If you're downloading more than that data a month get a life

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I agree although some people host there own websites, and like me I sometimes have to download a family dvd from usa from a private ftp 4.7gb then upload it to a friend if i am having trouble, then i have to download it back then upload it back to them in usa.

It does add up and some other people here can have problems with high data use on ntl.

But I never ever have had a letter from NTL and if i did i would not be abusive I would attempt to reach a peaceful medium between them, rather then rant about the cap in this forum.

I am sure any company would come to a peaceful soultion rather then loose a customer.

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Why, oh why, oh why, do people always think that because they don't download a certain amount, that it's stupid of anyone else to do so? I never see anyone telling people they're dumb, or that they should get a life, because they only use their internet connection for emails and browsing. :rolleyes:

Some people go to 'all you can eat' buffet's, and eat more than some others, there are people who drive a lot more than the average driver, and people who buy Gym membership, and go every day to get their money's worth. It's part of life.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

afaik 3Mb is 300Kb up

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still better than my current 200k on my 2mb right now.

It is hell uploading what speeds am I looking at with 300k and after the upgrade ( i need this info to make my gf let me upgrade )

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upload you will be looking at approx 35KB/s, compared with 25KB/s you have now, it is not a massive increase, even though it is 30% faster - 30% of slow, is still fairly slow.

If upload is your priority, even the '400k' is not going to be a massive leap, I would save my money, just now, if i was you ;)

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But my downloading would massivly increase? because that is my main thing right now I am sick and tired of 223kbs downloads if I could bring the delay right down I could live with the upload?

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in that case the 5x faster download of 10Mb may be worth it, for you - up to 75GB per month, anyway ;)

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I was called a download leach for a D/l of a wedding video from Australia, i pay for my connection why should i have to justify my use?

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Each, to there own Roy MM myself personally I would only attempt to explain why I am using the bandwith this to me is not justication or proving I am doing no wrong.

I can understand that no cap would be a nice thing, but personally the cap does just not bother me as I have never ever ever conceieved the need to worry about something which has never affected me, and if one day it does affect me I shall find a way to deal with it by explaining likely why I am using so much bandwith and if this is a problem coming to a business agreement with them.

However I will not be paying through my nose to suit them as I would prefer to end up on there basic internet and loose there tv and phone and move to Sky + and get the dvd's sent through snail mail.

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Yup. Agreed.

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Agreed also. :tu:

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If i was to put a proxy server on my routing server, would that save much bandwith?

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Doubt it as your pc if you host it would have to send the data out :shrug:

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Has anyone seen anything more definitive on roll out dates/process, other than 'over the coming months' ?

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Or to look at it a very different Way - If they said (without the upgrade in Speed) - we are upping the Cap from 30 Gig to 75 GIG month - would people not be happy? Does it mean the Second they get 10mbit Connection they will rush of to a online shop and buy 20 400 GIG HDs so they can download EVERYTHING on the newsgroups, BitTorrent and the web?? All it really means in reality (or should do) is that instead of waiting 30 mins for that file, you get it in 5 or something.. last night downloaded a Mod for BF:2 - it came down at 56KB/Sec - did it matter that the connection can do 250 or something? not really..So i might as well had 10mbit - still would have taken Ages like..

Oh and :welcome:to the forum cpgod...and AFAIK they will do a staged rollout to lessen the burden I guess..

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So that the next file can be downloaded that much quicker and so on and so on. ?

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I guess that there are people in the know so to speak but you can bet that they will be subjust to non disclosure agreements therefore will not be able to divulge...

:welcome: by the way...

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That means all of the Ntl Employees that post here. Don't think Ntl will give out to much straight away so that the advertising campagnes can be sorted.

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Myself Bill C, I gave up the habit of Downloading the Web a long time ago, this means the game I buy, I can apply a patch and play on any server, I can watch that Movie in DVD Quality and as I've Never been a Fan ever of P2P apps, I dont have to upload for days on end just to get a file from BitTorrent but don't get me wrong, I know people who will download almost all the time, while they sleep or at work and they don't really care that people in there area might suffer because of this..

I am not actually that Excited about 10mbit tbh - I rather have a bigger Upload but I cannot see this going up a Massive amount..

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Well, if it's anything to go by, there was once a speed increase for everyone and instead of waiting, on the day I navigated to the page where one's speed can be increased and got 2Mb on the day of launch.

I'm curious if it will be done the same way? Either wait for the 10Mb to come or expedite the upgrade.

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I only have a Motorola Surfboard SB3100 modem which only has a 10Mbps ethernet port, so unlike last time where I upgraded my speed for free via that webpage, I can't do. So looks like CS will get a call from me nearer the time for a new modem and it better be free.

Which model of modem are Ntl currently supplying their customers and is it ethernet ?


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It's the blue NTL 250. See . . .
http://www.ambitbroadband.com/broadband/U10C018.php

Some of the (and you know who you are) shady people will hate this modem because the firmware has the MAC address options, as accessed using the serial console, locked out.

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Or more lioke their hands were forced into making the announcement becuase of Telewests impending announcement and have no idea of a timescale themselves?? :angel:

I doubt we will see any speed upgrades until at least a couple of months, if not I would go for the new year.

Meanwhile Telewest will launch theirs from next month..... :erm: And pay less...And be Un-capped :(

:disturbd:

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It gets worse and worse as your sentence goes on....:( lol!
In the ntl press release they said it will be the best service in the uk...how can they make a statement like that when it isnt actually true?:erm:

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To quote my kids talk

Whatever. There is grass on the otherside, If you feel that stongly about it go and see if its better for you. I know where i am staying and to be truefull i am not that interested in 10 meg anyway. I find 3 meg is fine. :)

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2mb does suit me, I would enjoy 10mb especially for those long haul downloads but I aint going to scream high sundry until I get it, as for the Telewest customers, they may be laughing now, but I question there networks reliability. Also i would question how fast they all get it, amongst those who are eligable.

As with NTL a few people was not upgraded when they was supposed too, I know someone who paid the fee in the last upgrad and got his upgrade 1month later.

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There was no fee.

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It was true for a few days :) in some eyes.

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What about the £25 charge to upgrade? I remember him being charged for it? I myself avoided it as was moving at the time.

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The last upgrade was 100% free. They originally planned a £25 fee but that was quickly dropped. Your friend shouldn't of been charged anything.

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Then I feel he needs to speak to NTL asap but I doubt this could be corrected?

I shall make double sure he paid, as we have dropped out of touch since he went college.

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Just a comment anyone know the user limits for this new service ( whats the cap).

An when will it arrive do not think it will be out here this year

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Known information is in the original news article:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...ed-as-standard

There may be a little more buried in this thread, but the news confirms the basics.

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75GB cap and no news yet as of when it will roll....

Sometime before end of 2006....

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i hope your right but im not so sure this time. For the 3mb customers maybe as soon as it starts to be rolled out this may be available but for all customers on the 1mb and 2mb tiers, i doubt they will for them and they will have to wait til next year :(

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not everyone (me included), will see that as a problem, my 2Mb connection is fine, just now, I would rather wait & see what the 'shaping' options are, before changing anything, yet ;)

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If the upgrade to 10Mb is the same as the last upgrade it will be available to new customers from the implementation date. The online upgrade page will probably only point to the 10Mb service from that date as well. This would mean that all customers who have equipment capable of receiving 10Mb should be able to upgrade online from day one. AFAIK all the Ambit modems are capable of 10Mb, not sure about older SACM's or Samsung STB's. Anyone know the maximum speed that Samsungs can run at?

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? Why should it be the same?

Its been announced as 'for existing 3MB customers' in the first wave.

It seems to me implementation will then be various, and could then take some time over the numerous speed/areas thereafter, culminating in the new range of options by the end of next year.

Or maybe I mis-interpreted the press release.

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Which is why I started the post with "If". :)

You have to ask yourself why implementation is spread over such a lengthy period. Is it because everyone will have to have a SACM and supplies of these is the governing factor?

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IF I was implementing a new range of speeds and options to a diverse and complicated collection of subscribers, I would hedge my bets based on the anticipated worst case scenario and add 10% for unforseen problems.

IF I had a base of existing top end subscribers, I would endeavour to prioritise these given that equipment issues are not perceived as an issue.

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because they want to phase in the upgrade while carefully monitoring the effect of increasing the available bandwidth. if they upgraded everyone to 10mb at the same time it may bring the network to a halt if useage increases dramatically and as the top tier pay the most and are the smallest number of NTL customers, they get it first.

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Now then are you taking the michael here, you know that planning and NTL do not come together in the same book never mind sentance.
NTL Engineering do as they are told by sales they dont have any say on what will happen or not. They usually have their numbers limited by cost as well . It will be sell more, over stretch the network and have un happy customers being fobbed off by call centres in India.

:angel:

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well it's nice to see something like this come along but even my Samsung box runs slow with 2MB BB so going up to 10 MB i don't think it will cope.. i guess full details will come out later but i'd rather have a STB that could cope with the speeds we have ATM..

knowing NTL if we do get a new STB for this will it be specced to cope with higher speeds than 10 MB or will it only be able to cope with 5 MB but old to us as a box that can do 10 MB

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I doubt 3Mb users will need a new box if they have a Samsung... wasn't the whole reason for upgrading in the first place that the old Pace boxes couldn't handle the faster speeds?

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my experience of the Samsung box is that it is an improvement but can still struggle with 2MB

and with this being NTL do you really think when they specced the Samsung that it was over specced to cope with future speeds ?

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I think they did over spec it because its modems are allegidly better than stand alone modem. That of course is dependant on who you talk to.
If you have probs with a samsung would contact CS mines rock solid most of the time and copes no problem

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Well i have just read the whole thread through <<<medal!! I don't think i saw a mention of what the caps could be for the lower tier users when the 10meg comes into play. If people are complaining about a 75GB Cap on the top tier then what am i gonna get on my 2meg line?!?! :Yikes:

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About 50MB if pro rata, lower tier should be 25MB.