Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

It is being done within the next 20 minutes hopefully

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

:naughty: gr8

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

You don't do irony then Steve. ;)
I still have my trusty Pace 2000 until next Wednesday (Ntl did offer any date next week ) when I am having it swapped out.
I even fired up my ultra reliable Zen dial up account for a few minutes just so that I could appreciate my 750k speed.:cool:

Everything comes to he who waits.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks to Debs I have BB again. Apparently it is the Broadband + that caused my service to stop working.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

anyone know when wirral, merseyside will be upgraded?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Sorry missed irony i have that nice samsung box and its not upgraded yet thought someone had messed with my config file keeping me on 750.

:D

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

My internet just came back... i'm on 2meg now :)... but rather than an instant upgarde.. it took em long enough... tried to upgrade via the website on tuesday, and my modem died for 48 hours... only the ds light and ethernet... decided to come back on this evening :)...

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Just phoned CS - Apparently they are swamped with calls for upgrades :rolleyes:
Been put down for upgrade tomorrow - I'll wait and see....

Samsung STB - 300K

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks Chris1234 for all your help, im now on 2mb :D:D

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

rebooted the CM and i am now seeing the upgrade
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 3072000 bps
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 300000 bps

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Still nothing here, Guess I'll just wait for the upgrade (not that I have much choice..:D )

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hi, see thread 349,329.

John

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

are you being funny there?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Was told earlier by CS that I won't be able to upgrade because I upgraded from 300k to 750k three weeks ago and the system won't allow two upgrades inside a month.
Is this BS?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I though it was quite funny, but I guess it refers to posts # 329 & 349 ;)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Anyone know anything about this?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

It's true I think, you have to wait 1 month.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

ha ha, I get it now, cheers ha ha

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Am I glad I was upgraded via Samsung STB with only 1 call to CS :D

Been enjoying 2mbit for 2 days now and thinking of upgrading to 3mbit :D

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

yup... i'm afraid you speed can only change once in a month (although this is a way of getting round this, 99.9% of c/s agents will not able to do this, so you'll have to wait until next month i'm afraid

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Well I finaly got through to someone in CS that seemed interested.
I still have to wait a couple of days before the boost.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks. :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

:Di got told cant do 2 in 1 month well i did with xbox live on and cable they just reset all my connections and renewed now im on 3 meg :D
__________________

i must have been the 00.1 % then eh i got it done :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hey guys... the site finally let me upgrade my connection to 3mb. However I restarted the modem and still appear to be on 1.5mb... cany anyone offer some information regarding this? I am in the Cardiff area.

Thanks.
-Shadey

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

yeah turn modem off make a coffee come bk boot up do a speed test :)

give it time to configure itself maybe

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Just phoned CS again, they upgraded me to 2MB, i've done a speed test and it's fast :D.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

what area of manchester? i maybe can help you recieve ur upgrade as i have helped another person. well gave tips on where to go :0)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hi all,


Just wanted to say phoned NTL earlier,to pay the bill Boo!! [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]
and while i was paying i thought i'd ask about the upgrades..

I receive TV and BB through the Samsung STB. (no probs to report with this box much better than the pace ones imho) and i was under the impression from this site and others,that the STB upgrades were going to be automatic.

so anyway paid said bill and asked about the upgrade and was told it will be an automatic upgrade, but as i was on the line he would do it then for me.
also told me after i would have to re-register through the ntl start page again, for the changes to take effect. Therefore the re-registering is to basically say you agree to the new caps and conditions etc.

Now the one question i have for you people is does this mean a whole new 12 month contract? or just what i was told? to confirm i/we accept the new caps and conditions.

It all went really smoothly (Honest) so koudos to NTL and the v helpful person who dealt with me,and this was the only thing i wasn't sure of. [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Oh and im in Stockport SK8 if that helps any of you STB's to get upgraded with a phone call.. Gl all [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

many thanx
Dazrimm

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

woohoo! My cable modem just restarted automagically and hey presto!

Downstream 2868 Kbps (358.5 KB/sec) 3097 Kbps (inc. overheads) Upstream 283 Kbps (35.4 KB/sec) 305 Kbps (inc. overheads) :D:D

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Downstream2853 Kbps (356.6 KB/sec)3081 Kbps (inc. overheads)Upstream286 Kbps (35.8 KB/sec)308 Kbps (inc. overheads):D

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Dammit, I was hoping to keep the speed increase a secret from everybody in my area :P Don't want you all sucking up the bandwith now do I !

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I'm in SK8 too. Did you actually have to re-register after the stb had been sent the new config? I didn't and seem to be the only person on here so far who hasn't had to do it. Not that I'm complaining, just a bit confused.

Mags

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

can someone tell me when my area will be upgraded. I live in South east london. Or can some one tell me how to get the upgrade by phone and what to ask the person on c/s. thanx in adv

btw. I am currently on 750kb does that mean my upgrade will go to 2mb???

speed upgrade not working?
 

yesterday i went to the webpage to upgrade my modem to 2mbps. I entered my username and password. all seemed fine. shortly after, i reset my modem (surfboard 4100) and checked it to see if there was any difference. nothing new. no superast speed upgrade. so i checked the cablemodem logs:

Retrieved TFTP Config mota4100-silver.cm SUCCESS

ok. it may take a few hours to kick in, i guessed.
it is now 27 hours later, and no matter how many times i reboot the modem, it still picks up the silver config file. chatting to my mate, he said the new 2mb config filename is something like mota-mid.cm and his worked fine.

just chatting to another mate, and he is having the same problem as me. he is using a surfboard 3100 (same as my other mate who successfully upgraded). he is also picking up the silver config file.

anyone got any suggestions on what to do? (other than phone the helpdesk, which i'll do when i get home from work tomorrow if i get time)

cheers,

wanye.

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

Hi Wanye

I believe broadband support are open now if you call them

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

:welcome:

You could try visiting http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/ and selecting the speed test link.

This should confirm whether you really have a 2Mb link or 750K. My 2Mb upgrade now reads "
approx 2054 kbits/sec"

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

sorry. forgot to mention that i had already tried several speed tests, and that im definitely still on the 750k service.

didnt realise BB support were still open. i assumed they closed at 8pm or whenever it is the rest of ntls customer lines close. will call now. thanks :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

It's nothing at all to do with the contract etc, it's just because the stb has received a new signal that you have to re-register the pc onto the network.

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

Customer Services closes at 8pm, but Tech Support is open until midnight

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

if you havent had to do it, its likely you arent on the new service yet. You'll probably need to reboot the PC and STB before you can get the reg page up.

The new speeds also herald the change of the names of the tiers, which as a result has required new billing codes to be added rather than the speed for each connection attributed to the original billing codes being increased.

As a result it means you will have had to have had the billing codes changed and as a result will need to reregister.

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

ok. after phoning them, spending 18 minutes on a call from my mobile, 95% of which was on hold music, i get told there seems to be a problem with my line/modem/whatever, and they will look into it/sorry/try again in the morning.


5 minutes later, i reboot the modem just one last time for good measure before i give up and go watch shameless, i am now the proud owner of TFTP Config cmreg-mota4100-mid.cm.

success!

i'm currently averaging ~216k/sec from my works ftp server.

nice :)

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

sorry i just read about this speed upgrade
and to lazy to read a 29 page thread
can some1 tell me if the speed upgrade should all be done by now???

im on the 1.5mb line and using the SACM via ethernet
and still on 1.5mb
i read the upgrade is automatic now
as i remember the rumors was (before official annoucement)
there was gonna be a administration charge
this is gone now right??

should every1 be upgraded now???
im in the BH9 area if any1 can check and see if this area should have been upgraded

should i call CS or TS and check???

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I upgraded to 3Mb yesterday on a Samsung STB and although the very helpful CS man said I'd have to re-register, I didn't. I've checked the speed and it's definitely been upgraded.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I didn't have to re-register either. I'm definitely on the new tier (stb-high).

Mind you, I didn't reboot my router or anything. Just the STB.

Phil.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hi Mags ,
yes as soon as i came off the phone,i started firefox and it opened straight at the NTL start/reg page so i re-entered my details and then shut off the pc and reset the STB ,and i see Carter and many others have already answered you far better than i could ..:tu: thanks ..

Many thanks for the reply Debsy42 ,makes sense now..:)

thankyou for the replies all..

Dazrimm

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

i think im too lazy to hep you ;)


you need to upgrade it yourself if yoyu want it quicker

and no there isnt a charge

go here to upgrade

http://www.ntlworld.com/data-feeds/e...tierMigration/

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

oh ic thx
done it
waiting for SACM to reset hehe

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I'm slightly confused about a number of things about this upgrade. I currently have two STB's (both of which are Pace's, albiet different models). Does anyone know when it will be upgraded automatically (will they know to only upgrade to 1mb as I have a pace?).

If I do ask them to upgrade my STB, will they do both of them? as I've heard the new (Samsung?) ones are better. My current ones are v slow at changing channels which I'd quite like fixed if I have the opportunity.

Does anyone know what is involved with the swap out? Can you just give the engineer the old ones at the door, or does he need to come in and do a full proper setup (i.e. how long are we talking about).

Also I was originally told that I could not have a CM as I was in a STB area and using a CM and a STB (to watch TV) wasn't possible because they would conflict with eachother, however in error NTL sent me one. However some posts in this thread seem to go against this. Is it now possible to use a CM if you have STB's?

If so how easy do you think it's going to be to get NTL swap my internet access from comming from my STB to my CM?

Re: speed upgrade not working?
 

on the whole topic of this... do ya have to use the link or ring em up for the upgrades, at the moment i am on the pace box, not had the upgrade and cant do online says not set up yet when clicking the stb piccy... the problem i have is.. i couldnt do it online, as well.. i first set up broadband that long ago i have no idea of the ntl addy i was set up, and the password even less idea.. lol

the problem with phoning is, that the whole ntl setup is not in my name, and i have no official access to any of the account, but do know the password and all the details that are to do with the account... messed up i know.. but the account holder, only stays here once a month, and well.. knows less about computers than dancing zebras do

i know ima have to ring em to get them to replace the stb, but i would be quite happy with just the extra 250kbs til i can write a script out for the account holder to read from.. as he would end up getting annoyed as most people find it hard to understand him, very thick glaswegian accent.. and a short temper :rolleyes:

any suggestions? or info on when the stb would get the new cm file automatically?

Checky

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

:welcome: all new people



@ Woods -


They'll only replace the Pace STB you use for broadband with a Samsung. I think they'd only replace the other non-BB Pace with a Samsung if you have a lot of problems. As for the auto-upgrade to 1mb, prior to a box-swap...dunno. Some people seem to have had to phone up, others have had it automatically.

It is possible to use a standalone cable modem (SACM) in STB broadband areas.


Phone up ntl & ask :)


@ Checky -


You'll have to phone them. I don't think STB broadband users can use the online upgrade for this. And you need to phone them anyway to get a Samsung to replace the Pace.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks Matt D.

Also any anyone confim that they're arn't any new T&C's or anything attached to any of these new deals? I.e. by agreeing to get a new STB or the new speed your not expecially agreeing to a min 12-month contract, or new download cap limits?

Basically what I mean I guess is; are NTL trying to screw us over by dangling candy infront of us?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

No new 12 month contract.


Download limits.... The 2meg & 3meg services have the same "limits" (guidelines) as before - 1GB per day download.

The new 1meg service (previously 300k) has a 3GB per month limit.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

3gig a month i think thats pathetic

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hi, I currently have the 1.5mb package, and was thinking of dropping down a tier before the speed increases had started. Is it still possible for me to just get the 2mb service now rather than be upgraded to 3mb?

Thanks :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Yup, you should just be able to go straight to 2mb.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks for the info :tu:

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

hi all :)
... anyone from the Surrey,Guildford area or does anyone know if that part has been upgraded yet?

i have a standard ntl home silver cable modem on the 1.5mb connection and it was not upgraded yet...
Cheers

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

No idea, but have you tried the online upgrade?

http://www.ntlworld.com/data-feeds/e...tierMigration/


Or, failing that, you could phone Customer Services in the morning. They should be able to sort you out.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

oh wow thanks for the link, i had no idea...

360kbs 12.1mb in 35seconds
lol thanks ever so much.....

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

No prob :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Has anyone in the Swindon area recieved the automatic update yet, reason i ask i've forgotten my username and password to do the manual update (as i've had broadband since NTL started doing it, and really didn't think to keep it).

:dunce:

Just wondered, because if the update has been applied then i'll need to give c/s a call in the morning as mines still stuck at 750k.

cheers

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I live in Cambridge and the automatic upgrade (http://www.ntlworld.com/data-feeds/e...tierMigration/) worked for me straight away, upgrading from 750 kbs to 2 Mbs. I didn't notice any loss of service while the modem rebooted, and a speed check at http://speedtest.tds.net/speedtest/ confirmed the upgrade had taken place. A really nice service!

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

BTW auto upgrade not yet on the Oldham UBR come on IGN & BBK let us get upgraded

Me and iadom fell left out .

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

but th'engineer I've offered twice to upgrade you :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I live in the Ipswich area; I phoned NTL and they tell me I have to wait for a letter through the post but I read on here people are phoning up and getting upgraded?

I tried to use the upgrade links on ntlworld.com but it gives me the error "An error has occured whilst trying to retrieve your mailbox details. ( WrongSecurity in page validate). If you need further help, please contact our customer support (0800 052 2000). "

Any help/ideas?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I live in the Stockport area and called up to upgrade my 300k connection to 1MB. They said I would need a new STB to be able to do this - is this right as I can't see any reference to a new box for that speed anywhere?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

You're on Rochdale UBR, aren't you, if memory isn't playing tricks?

Anyway, AFAIK I'm not doing anything with this round of upgrades, because they're being done in the billing/provisioning system rather than just be amending the CM files. Ask Debsy nicely - plenty of STB folk are on the new tiers, according to my monitoring.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Incorrect info being given I'm afraid from previous info posted on here by 'associates' the Pace boxes can handle 1M easily, let them send you a new "sammy" anyway supposed to be a lot better on the TV side (tho I had no trouble with our old pace2000)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

They'll do 1.5Mb fine as well, the problem isn't that they won't take the speed, it's that they won't do it reliably = unhappy customers = fault calls. Many people would have no problem even at 3Mb, BTW.

Anyway, *officially* 1MB is the max limit, which is why 750k Pace STB users get 1Mb pending a box swap. The new 1Mb/100k tier is likewise no problem.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I live in the teesside area and was told on the phone to wait for a letter. I tried the manual upgrade but got this message:
Error looking up cable modem details for <ADMIN EDIT - not a good idea to post your mac addy> (no SMS details).

Any ideas? Anyone able to manually upgrade me?

Thanks,
Paul

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

you have 2 options

1) wait for the automatic upgrades
2) contact customer services again and see if they are willing

or

maybe there is someone on here who can do something, but i really would edit that mac address out ;)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks for the hint :) - Hopefully I'll get quicker as the day goes on :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

nice one... i am suitably jealous ;) ;)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I was hoping after the disaster of NTL disconnecting my service for almost 48 hours in SO22 region that I would now be on 1MB via my Pace STB, but alas bandwidth testing show I still got 750K.

Having said that, I can live with 750K, just as long as they keep the damned line up. Service is probably more important to most people than pure speed.

CS are swamped and I got fed up waiting on hold, so will have to try again later :(

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Thanks for taking out the MAC address :tu:

And ideas what the missing SMS thing means?

Paul

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

probably that your internet billing account (SMS) is not linked to your cable modem account (SABS) correctly

to check for definate you would need to check with customer services

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I'm afraid I don't - but I'm sure someone else will come along shortly who does, we have a few people who work for ntl who help out here in their spare time. If they can help I'm sure they will :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

That's very kind of the NTL peeps; do you think they could help me with my problem? (creep)(creep) hehe I am a newbie

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I live in the Nottingham area and just upgarded from 300k to 1mb using the Broadband upgrade site.


Great news

NB

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Welcome to the site :) :welcome:


What kind of box do you have - stand alone cable modem. Or set top (TV) box?

I'm sure some nice person will be along to help you shortly.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hi, I have a stand alone modem. I did try the usual switch off and turn on proceedure with no luck :(

Thanks for your help :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Amazing how you can get different responses on different days: I rang them again this morning and they said they didn't know what the SMS problem was but that they would upgrade me there and then. I was told reboot the computer (not the modem interestingly) and it would be at the new speed - and it is! Wahoo.

Paul

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I'm glad you got sorted out.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Nice person here :waving:

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Mad Northen Bird - I like it hehehe

Are you the knightess in shining Louis Vuitton to help me out hehe

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

how do i unsubscribe :S i keep getting tons of emails really pi****g me off :(

:D i blocked the messages from coming no need to unsubscribe :hyper:

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

If you go to user options under options you can stop the emails being sent.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

i just went into hotmail in ie and chose block all :shocked:

ops i think i blocked every mail :dozey: lol wheres options tab on ere please? :)

p.s) don't matter :D i used my brain looked and acomplished it thanks for the tip anyways!!!!

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Just to let you guys know that nottingham is truely alive and well as I've just upgraded my girlfriends SACM from 300k to 1M.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Has the upgrades allready happend in oldham?
on another note im on the on 1.5 meg with a sung box and noticed my upload speed has dropped to about 17KBps i used to get 30 ish...

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Really glad to see things are moving for many people. Any NTL'er here know if the upgrade actually happened in SO22 (Winchester and surrounding area) or not. CS guy couldn't tell me, but thought not because of the network outage.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Anyone had the update or has managed to update manualy in Derby yet?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I've been abroad and so today was my first chance to check if I had been upgraded.

I'm a 750k'er with a Pace STB and I thought that I would be automatically upgraded to 1Mb.

I checked this morning, rebooted my STB and I'm still on 750k.

I called CS and said could I get a Samsung STB so I could get 2Mb. The lady said she'd add my name to the list and someone would call me next week.

I then asked about getting 1Mb whilst I was waiting for a Samsung box and she said she would have to downgrade my account for me to get 1Mb so I said I'd leave well alone for now.

Is this correct?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Hi all, new member here,

Just upgraded to 3mb in St Ives, Cambs with no probs at all, will give it a go if i dont use it so much i will downgrade to 2mb next month, one question is the 1gb cap just for downloads or for uploads as well dont do any uploading as such but on netmeter which i have installed my upload amount does go up even though im not physically uploading anything on purpose, thanks in advance

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Welcome to the site :welcome:

I wouldn't worry too much about uploading at the moment. At the moment you're allowance if you like is just the same.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

I guess this has been discussed in other places but what is 1gig a day as a rough guide? What about online games like Counterstrike, how much would that use an hour?

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Not sure about counterstrike - but you can have a look at this

http://www.home.ntl.com/page/broadbandusage

For the other stuff.

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Yes, it is. 1meg was effectively 300k, which means you'd be changing tier, and then wouldn't be able to change back to your old tier (750-2meg) for 30 days. :)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

Yes Nottingham is alive and well ;)

Re: New Speed Upgrades 8th March. (Part 4)
 

aaahhh what a nice member you are ;):D