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Ignition 10-02-2005 12:03

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
He said his server has a 100mbit connection that gets through 1tb a month. Does that really warrant an accusation of illegal activity? There are plenty of things that could use that much bandwidth on a public http server.

Ummm I was referring to his comment about doing 1TB in 2 days, you quoted me referring to that.

Too quick to jump on me because you don't like what I say?
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Originally Posted by zitianaki
no i am not complaining i just saying it isent much.... i know ppl who would go through 500GB in a week and myself ive been through 1000GB in 2 days

Presumably you can think of plenty of web sites that aren't run by major corporations / academic institutions that can do 1TB in 48 hours legitimately?

Hans Gruber 10-02-2005 12:05

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Originally Posted by Ignition
Ummm I was referring to his comment about doing 1TB in 2 days, you quoted me referring to that.

Too quick to jump on me because you don't like what I say?

Name me one home connection that can do that much. He is clearly refering to business use.

Ignition 10-02-2005 12:36

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Don't be so naive, you think the 100 / 155Mbit warez hubs are run on home connections?
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How many small businesses do 1TB in 48 hours?

Hans Gruber 10-02-2005 12:45

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Originally Posted by Ignition
Don't be so naive, you think the 100 / 155Mbit warez hubs are run on home connections?
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How many small businesses do 1TB in 48 hours?

Depends what their business is. And yes, "warez hubs" are on fast business based connections, but why jump to the conclusion this is what this is? Oh I see, makes it easier to justify such a low cap (compared to other UK ISPs).
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The most amusing thing about the NTL debacle is they announced these speed upgrades before anyone else, and just about every other ISP has managed to announce and roll out their own speed increases/price cuts, before NTL has managed to upgrade anyone.

Ignition 10-02-2005 12:58

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Tricky to imagine a 19 year old using that much bandwidth on anything else, sorry.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/4918303

As found from the details of the MX PTR and A record of the domain www.ntlworldsux.com

Anyway enough of this rather off topic discussion :)

Rone 10-02-2005 13:21

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Originally Posted by Ignition
He has the full 8Mbps synch, are you sure he's on the same exchange as yourself, 8Mbps is impossible at that distance.

If he has a line attenuation and SNR from his ADSL modem/router I'd be interested in seeing them.


Hes only 21, it took me long enough to get him to run an adsl speedtest, if i ask him for anything else he might turn into Kevin. ;)

dragon 10-02-2005 14:23

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could we please try and get back on topic

comon NTL give us some nice dates ;)

oh and makesure to put the upstream up a notch while ya at it... ;)

zitianaki 10-02-2005 15:55

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Originally Posted by Ignition
Tricky to imagine a 19 year old using that much bandwidth on anything else, sorry.

who said i was 19. maybe some years ago but not anymore :)

82.18.39.156 to cpc2-cmbg8-5-0-cust156.cmbg.cable.ntl.com | your the smart one i am sure you know what area has that ip from ntl that was my ip address yestarday before i took off the ntl cable modem and put it on the side if you think that ip is newcastle your wrong

i wouldent expect u to imagine it going on anything else and doesent matter what u believe... I have relatives in another country i see twice a year and the net is the only thing that keeps us close so yes i send alot of data. my video files can be over 300GB for a video split up if you call that warez then yes...
ntl are probably as glad to see me go as i am .. today my ukonline modem arrived 2Mb adsl, its great still like to see how ntl get on. my xbox not chipped its not even mine its my younger brothers, but as ntl say i need a month to cancle, why not hook it up on the xbox? no point waisting the £..
no need to accuse me of warez i go to the shop and buy things as hard as it is for u to believe. :angel:
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? in my defence thats not me ;-) dunno where u found that i am Cambridge dunno who the hell that pic is of you got the web site (www.ntlworldsux.com)right but its not me u should get your facts right before calling me a complete stranger ive never seen in my life :D not much older but i am 21 not 19 i live in a guest house, i am GREEK not english so there if that adam guy looks greek then i am the king....

Chrysalis 10-02-2005 16:14

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hahaha this is a comedy now LOL

dragon 10-02-2005 16:17

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Originally Posted by zitianaki
who said i was 19. maybe some years ago but not anymore :)

i wouldent expect u to imagine it going on anything else and doesent matter what u believe... I have relatives in another country i see twice a year and the net is the only thing that keeps us close so yes i send alot of data. my video files can be over 300GB for a video split up


BLIMY bet that takes a while to send :Yikes:

ian@huth 10-02-2005 16:20

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Wonder how long it takes to upload a 300 Gigabyte file.

Darn :D , have to stop talking whilst I'm posting as someone always gets there with the same thing before I press the submit button.

etccarmageddon 10-02-2005 16:24

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I dont know but it must be one hell of a movie as I can get a 2 hour film on a DVD from my local rental shop - and that's under 5gb!

doh!

zitianaki 10-02-2005 16:25

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its not just 1 300GB file its alot of video files split up, and which is why i own a dedicated server so i can upload at 100MBit to other box's but it doesent take very long going at the speeds it does


movie? i use a digital camera to make clips so unlike the dvds u buy/rent my files end up bigger

but now gone completely off topic - speed upgrades through ntl they taking ages about it and they only doing it because every other isp is and they are forced to but cant.... moving was right

ian@huth 10-02-2005 16:28

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Wonder where the server is and how he gets the files to it?

etccarmageddon 10-02-2005 16:35

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
...The most amusing thing about the NTL debacle is they announced these speed upgrades before anyone else, and just about every other ISP has managed to announce and roll out their own speed increases/price cuts, before NTL has managed to upgrade anyone.

AOL and BT have both announced this week speed upgrades but where's the roll out? have they upgraded anyone yet?

jtwn 10-02-2005 16:41

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
hahaha this is a comedy now LOL

rofl yes, its better than the soaps. /me waits for ignition's response :D

Ignition 10-02-2005 17:36

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Not much point in a response to be honest, mildly curious as to how said 300GB of videos (enough for days of DVD quality images) gets to the server, especially considering you'll only get 2GB/day uploaded on cable.

Profuse apologies, I thought you owned the ntlworldsux domain.

Still think you're talking out of your backside though, I struggle to think of a digital video camera that does the kind of bitrates you are talking about unless you are doing Big Brother style non-stop video. Data rates in Greece must be fabulous for your relatives to get 1TB down in 2 days.

However not really for me to judge or decide, this is getting soap opera type silly as well as highly off topic + me butting out.

Must get myself a dedicated box to 'send files to the family'.

cookie_365 10-02-2005 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zitianaki
its not just 1 300GB file its alot of video files split up, and which is why i own a dedicated server so i can upload at 100MBit to other box's but it doesent take very long going at the speeds it does


movie? i use a digital camera to make clips so unlike the dvds u buy/rent my files end up bigger

but now gone completely off topic - speed upgrades through ntl they taking ages about it and they only doing it because every other isp is and they are forced to but cant.... moving was right

Wouldn't it be cheaper, quicker, and less aggravation to stick a couple of DVDRs through the post ? ;)

Ignition 10-02-2005 17:41

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Originally Posted by cookie_365
Wouldn't it be cheaper, quicker, and less aggravation to stick a couple of DVDRs through the post ? ;)

Not with 300GB data volumes, this chap's digital video camera makes HDTV look like poor quality VHS.

cookie_365 10-02-2005 18:04

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Originally Posted by Ignition
Not with 300GB data volumes, this chap's digital video camera makes HDTV look like poor quality VHS.

Eeek, of course ! I'm looking at the numbers and thinking in Megs rather than Gigs .... :shocked:

Wouldn't it be quicker, cheaper, and less aggravation to fly over every week to wherever the relatives live and just re-enact the last 7 days' significant events ???? ;)

mcfc2134 10-02-2005 18:33

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BT to rollout new speeds to residential customers on the 17th February and business customers on 1st April 2005 according to the BBC.

ntl have surely got to follow suit soon otherwise there surely taking the risk of losing new subscribers?

Neil 10-02-2005 18:39

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Originally Posted by mcfc2134
BT to rollout new speeds to residential customers on the 17th February and business customers on 1st April 2005 according to the BBC.

ntl have surely got to follow suit soon otherwise there surely taking the risk of losing new subscribers?

Since when have ntl ever cared about what customers thought? :dozey:

mcfc2134 10-02-2005 18:46

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Fair point mate. I don't expect them to, but business logic says they should upgrade sooner rather than later....then again, this is ntl

jtwn 10-02-2005 18:57

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Originally Posted by cookie_365
Eeek, of course ! I'm looking at the numbers and thinking in Megs rather than Gigs .... :shocked:

Same here :Yikes: :disturbd:

Somebody should tell this guy about video compression...

zitianaki 10-02-2005 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignition
Profuse apologies, I thought you owned the ntlworldsux domain..


its ok no harm done i just stick around to see how ntl get on i like ntl and hope it does well but i for one need faster. im curious to see how long its going to take ntl to offer this 3MB. its been ages.. ;)


plus its Cyprus not greece not that it matters

dragon 10-02-2005 21:43

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why are we waiting.... ;)


@ zitianaki gawd i wouldnt want to be downloading those would take ages..

going even more off topic you say you have a 100mbit dedicated server, how much does that cost and where from?

Ignition 10-02-2005 21:48

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I have a mate in Cyprus :) He's on broadband, it's a satellite link to the local internet cafe then wifi from there to him, there's no fibre to Cyprus or wasn't when I last spoke to him.

mcmanic 10-02-2005 22:12

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at this rate BT is gonna beat us, NTL get your finger out your @!

Chrysalis 10-02-2005 22:49

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It would be interesting if they even tried to upgrade Leics in its current state.

ian@huth 10-02-2005 22:57

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Originally Posted by mcmanic
at this rate BT is gonna beat us, NTL get your finger out your @!

The vast majority of NTL customers don't give a damn whether BT beats NTL. They are not bothered about the caps (not that most of them know about them) or faster and faster speeds. They have a service that does all that they want it to at a reasonable price and get a reasonable service. They are not bothered about ping times, tracerts and lagging. All that some customers want is an always on service that doesn't tie up the phoneline and at a reasonable price. Some don't want a service that's brilliant for gaming as they don't want their kids tied to the computer for most of their lives. These customers won't leave NTL because someone else has a faster, uncapped service. They are happy with what they have got.

At a loss 10-02-2005 23:56

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Originally Posted by ianathuth
The vast majority of NTL customers don't give a damn whether BT beats NTL. They are not bothered about the caps (not that most of them know about them) or faster and faster speeds. They have a service that does all that they want it to at a reasonable price and get a reasonable service. They are not bothered about ping times, tracerts and lagging. All that some customers want is an always on service that doesn't tie up the phoneline and at a reasonable price. Some don't want a service that's brilliant for gaming as they don't want their kids tied to the computer for most of their lives. These customers won't leave NTL because someone else has a faster, uncapped service. They are happy with what they have got.

I totally agree with your post how ever I want a service were by I get billed correctly so NTL has clearly failed in that department and I am now looking else where dispite all the promises of discount this discount that and still being over billed each month for my broadband services.

Sorry for the Hi-Jack but no ones listerning in the BILLING AREA :mad: :mad: :mad:

DieDieMyDarling 11-02-2005 00:00

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Originally Posted by ianathuth
The vast majority of NTL customers don't give a damn whether BT beats NTL. They are not bothered about the caps (not that most of them know about them) or faster and faster speeds. They have a service that does all that they want it to at a reasonable price and get a reasonable service. They are not bothered about ping times, tracerts and lagging. All that some customers want is an always on service that doesn't tie up the phoneline and at a reasonable price. Some don't want a service that's brilliant for gaming as they don't want their kids tied to the computer for most of their lives. These customers won't leave NTL because someone else has a faster, uncapped service. They are happy with what they have got.

A lot of people aren't getting that 'reasonable service'. And a lot of people are led by what others tell them, people that DO know about things like caps, etc. A lot of people are also led by advertising, and families that use the computer between them all, WILL be influenced by an advert telling them they don't have to worry about watching what they download.

Chrysalis 11-02-2005 06:41

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the sad truth is ianuthuth is right, I dont agree with the way ntl works, but they are taking advantage of people who lack in knowledge and just look at the price hence targeting the budget user.

I agree with DieDieMyDarling as well, any company with a bad reputation will suffer as word spreads around and people are more likely to take the word of a family member or good friend over a sales person and tv advert, this will be a short term gain for ntl and a long term mess.

etccarmageddon 11-02-2005 07:22

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Originally Posted by ianathuth
The vast majority of NTL customers don't give a damn whether BT beats NTL. They are not bothered about the caps (not that most of them know about them) or faster and faster speeds...


I think in a few months if BT is selling 2mb for £25 and NTL is still giving out 750 for the same price then that could be an problem!

And as BT will soon be advertising their products with usage allowances of 1GB, 15GB, 30GB or unlimited, this will make caps/allowances no longer something hidden in the small print and therefore something people will concern themselves about when choosing a product.

swoop101 11-02-2005 15:15

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http://www.pcw.co.uk/news/1161152

It would seem that BT are picking the pace up now.

HD462 11-02-2005 15:16

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Originally Posted by mcfc2134
BT to rollout new speeds to residential customers on the 17th February and business customers on 1st April 2005 according to the BBC.

ntl have surely got to follow suit soon otherwise there surely taking the risk of losing new subscribers?

Here's that article you mentioned. It wa mentioned in an email newsletter today, that I get from PCW. http://www.pcw.co.uk/news/1161152

[Admin Edit] (Neil)-Please don't copy & paste other people's copyrighted work when a link will more than suffice, thanks.

etccarmageddon 11-02-2005 16:24

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hopefully this will all increase the level of urgency at NTL re our speed increases and I suspect will shove the £25 admin charge into the bin.

HD462 11-02-2005 16:57

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Originally Posted by HD462
[Admin Edit] (Neil)-Please don't copy & paste other people's copyrighted work when a link will more than suffice, thanks.

I only did it that way as those type of links often change what's on them over time (news pages), so copying it keeps what is there for people to refer to. It's normally accepted to copy providing you link back to the source, as I did.

Anyway, no worries. :)

dragon 11-02-2005 17:02

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
hopefully this will all increase the level of urgency at NTL re our speed increases and I suspect will shove the £25 admin charge into the bin.


i sure hope so...

jtwn 11-02-2005 18:19

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Yeah, its going to look a bit of a joke now bt has had all this publicity surrounding its free upgrades.

Motorman 11-02-2005 18:36

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Operation Tornado IS imminent

"From 17 February, BT will upgrade the speed of all of their Broadband services, for the same price. All existing customers will be migrated automatically for free. However, BT will not increase the current usage allowances on all services.
This move will give BT a temporary advantage over ntl until our planned speed upgrade (called Project Tornado) in mid-March. From then, we will match or beat all BT products on price, speed and usage allowance.
It has just been announced that existing ntl 750K and 1.5Mb customers will be upgraded to the new speeds (2Mb & 3Mb) automatically and for free, (no admin fee). Existing 300K customers will be given the option to upgrade to the new speed (1Mb) if they wish as the new 1Mb speed will have a reduced monthly usage of 3GB, and customers may prefer the 300K service with 30GB monthly usage allowance."

> *BT Broadband Basic and BT Broadband don't have email, anti-spam & anti-virus nor personal webspace, whereas all ntl broadband services offer these for free.

LostintheNW 11-02-2005 18:43

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Hmm so that means we don't have a choice of staying on the speed are now with the soft cap then? its just hello here is 3meg and a nice cap to go with it? (not that i am saying its not good that its going to be done for free)

Albie 11-02-2005 18:48

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That's a bit daft having a 30GB cap on 300k and only 3GB allowed for the new 1MB teir.

If they'd any sense they change that to 20GB on the 300k and 13 GB on the 1MB.

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daxx 11-02-2005 19:14

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Originally Posted by Motorman
Operation Tornado IS imminent

OMG NTL controlling the weather now, the mind is boggling overtime on this one.

They could have chosen a better operational title surely

"Operation Here It Is At Last"
"Operation Stop Your Whingeing"

just a couple of suggestions :rolleyes:

etccarmageddon 11-02-2005 19:23

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looks like an NTL staff member might have just broken their non disclosure agreement!

Chrysalis 11-02-2005 19:48

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I dont blame him he is probably treated poorly.

"From then, we will match or beat all BT products on price, speed and usage allowance."

I see NTL still think BT is all of ADSL, BT wholesale has no limits and BT isp is only a % of the entire ADSL user base. So the above is a false statement.

jtwn 11-02-2005 20:10

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BT as an isp is the widely recognised competitor of ntl though. ntl aren't going to match some niche isp who may offer great speeds/allowance.

Anyway thats great news, i doubt they had any alternative re the fee, i love leaked info :D

Ignition 11-02-2005 20:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Motorman
Operation Tornado IS imminent

:eeek:

Neither confirming or denying this at all, but giving out info like that true or not on a board like this, or any public forum is a very bad idea.

paulyoung666 11-02-2005 20:40

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
looks like an NTL staff member might have just broken their non disclosure agreement!



might or have ????????????? :D :D :D :D

mcfc2134 11-02-2005 22:16

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Seems like "Operation Tornado" is spreading rather quickly - also been posted on the Digital Spy forums at http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...d.php?t=192078

Obviously if this is true then its pretty big news and I'm pretty sure we're not meant to know about it!

etccarmageddon 12-02-2005 06:53

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it's not really news as we knew the speed upgrades were due around the time that statement refers to. but it is nice to see something new.

mcmanic 12-02-2005 21:31

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been saying theirs no admin fee for weeks now, don't anybody listen to me. My NTL insider always tells me the truth!

garyparson 13-02-2005 13:09

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
looks like an NTL staff member might have just broken their non disclosure agreement!

Good to see someone with a bit of inside info with some balls to give us the info. Thank you. I hate all these smug wink wink muppets who say 'coming soon' and try and keep the rest of us paying customers in the dark! So once again, thank you.

Electrolyte01 13-02-2005 13:19

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Originally Posted by garyparson
Good to see someone with a bit of inside info with some balls to give us the info. Thank you. I hate all these smug wink wink muppets who say 'coming soon' and try and keep the rest of us paying customers in the dark! So once again, thank you.

Eh? :erm:

ian@huth 13-02-2005 13:26

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Originally Posted by garyparson
Good to see someone with a bit of inside info with some balls to give us the info. Thank you. I hate all these smug wink wink muppets who say 'coming soon' and try and keep the rest of us paying customers in the dark! So once again, thank you.

I can quite understand any NTL staff who have signed a non-disclosure statement not wanting to lose their jobs by giving out the info. Just because they don't doesn't make them smug it means that they are realists. As much as I would like to know what is going on I wouldn't want anyone to lose their job.

Bill C 13-02-2005 15:07

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Originally Posted by garyparson
Good to see someone with a bit of inside info with some balls to give us the info. Thank you. I hate all these smug wink wink muppets who say 'coming soon' and try and keep the rest of us paying customers in the dark! So once again, thank you.

So we are wink wink muppets now are we, what can i say but :upyours: I for one will stay away for a while and let you deal with all the problems as you are so vocal you must be good at it . Lets see you fix things.

Ignition 13-02-2005 15:22

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Originally Posted by garyparson
Good to see someone with a bit of inside info with some balls to give us the info. Thank you. I hate all these smug wink wink muppets who say 'coming soon' and try and keep the rest of us paying customers in the dark! So once again, thank you.

I'm sorry, last time I checked I signed an agreement as did every employee at ntl to keep inside company information confidential until it was deemed releasable to the public.

Assuming you work for a company do you release details of projects in progress to all and sundry? If you do I am surprised you are still employed.

Projects can slip in schedule, things can go wrong, which means paying customers get more and more upset.

I like to give as much information as possible, and have known various details about this project and loads of others. Do I blab on here? No, simple reason that if things go wrong you lot end up getting more and more po'd. Oh and the minor reason that I like to keep my job.

Still I'm a muppet so won't be missed anyway I guess.

ian@huth 13-02-2005 15:38

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Garyparson, the only muppets that I can see are the ones that don't think before they post and end up upsetting the few NTL staff who help us all out on here with our problems. Maybe there are a few other muppets too but their behaviour can be more comical than offensive. People like Bill C, Ignition and others are essential to this site and should not be subject to derisive remarks. They have a job to do and rules to work to and they should be respected for this and applauded for the extra effort they put in by coming on here in their own time and helping all the customers that they do. They do not have to come on here and help but they are quite happy to do so. I think an apology is in order and a change of attitude essential.

DieDieMyDarling 13-02-2005 15:49

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Lol. Ntl staff are sooooo defensive. It was a flippant remark, calm down and take it with a pinch of salt. You'll get about 50 posts now telling you how great you are and how everyone is so grateful for your help anyway, you don't have to milk it by being a drama queen. :p

Stuart 13-02-2005 15:51

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Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling
Lol. Ntl staff are sooooo defensive. It was a flippant remark, calm down and take it with a pinch of salt. You'll get about 50 posts now telling you how great you are and how everyone is so grateful for your help anyway, you don't have to milk it by being a drama queen. :p


Based on garyparson's previous posts, I doubt it was flippant at all.

homealone 13-02-2005 16:20

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Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling
Lol. Ntl staff are sooooo defensive. It was a flippant remark, calm down and take it with a pinch of salt. You'll get about 50 posts now telling you how great you are and how everyone is so grateful for your help anyway, you don't have to milk it by being a drama queen. :p

what is the harm in giving credit where it is due?

unfortunately there are a small number of people who post on this site, who have had long standing problems with their NTL product/s.

while I sympathise with their frustration, often they persist in taking every opportunity to snipe and sneer, without any consideration for the feelings of the NTL associates who do take the trouble to try & help on here.

I am quite sure that if there was a solution to the long term problems that persist in some areas, that was in the power of our members who work for NTL to fix, it would have happened.

- we should not, however, forget the large number of faults/problems that have been sorted by these people and don't understand why expressing gratitude for that should be considered a bad thing :shrug:

Bill C 13-02-2005 16:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling
Lol. Ntl staff are sooooo defensive. It was a flippant remark, calm down and take it with a pinch of salt. You'll get about 50 posts now telling you how great you are and how everyone is so grateful for your help anyway, you don't have to milk it by being a drama queen. :p

So you think that was what this is about. Well i for one am not intersested in how good or bad i am. I am here to try and fix problems i am not here to be called a Monkey or Muppet to name but a few. So if you think this was so i can be a drama queen it was not. But that is sorted i will not be about to be called monkey or muppet. so enjoy you won this one.

dragon 13-02-2005 16:52

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while i would like it if more info was avalable i do understand that NTL staff just like staff of many other companies are under NDA and therefore cannot go around posting information that they may know.

Otherwise they could find themselves being sacked or even worse in court.

and as for the NTL staff who come here and help people out in their spare time, i have nothing to say to them but a very big THANKYOU! and that i hope there are lots more people like you guys/girls in ntl...

now can we please try to get back on topic.

Ignition 13-02-2005 16:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcmanic
been saying theirs no admin fee for weeks now, don't anybody listen to me. My NTL insider always tells me the truth!

Really? Interesting considering that it was still undecided as of Wednesday last week, so I'll continue to not listen thanks.

Interesting your insider is still yet to provide you with information on:

Quote:

It does not say anywhere what will happen if you go over your monthly allowance depending on service your subscribed too when it comes into effect - just as with current 1gig a day guidelines contracts, so at present i would say its a guideline.
Now a peon like me way, way, way down in the company knows this, surely your contacts who apparently know what director level staff and executive boards are doing before they do can answer this one.

BBKing 13-02-2005 16:55

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Bill, Ig - don't feed the troll.

One very good reason for people like me not to post is that our information is second or third hand - I'm not involved in the key Tornado decisions and neither are the other two, hence anything we would post wouldn't necessarily be accurate, as projects and timescales change over time. Frankly it would erode any credibility we have on here if we constantly posted information that turned out to be wrong, as well as jeopardising our future employment. Best to stick to what we can directly verify and help people as best we can.

Ignition 13-02-2005 16:57

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I have credibility? :disturbd: :scratch:

paulyoung666 13-02-2005 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill C
So you think that was what this is about. Well i for one am not intersested in how good or bad i am. I am here to try and fix problems i am not here to be called a Monkey or Muppet to name but a few. So if you think this was so i can be a drama queen it was not. But that is sorted i will not be about to be called monkey or muppet. so enjoy you won this one.


stand your ground and ignore the mindless name calling idiots ;) , anyway , trying to drag this back on topic :erm: , i wonder how many ppl will bin ntl if they are subjected to a hard cap thru no choice of there own :disturbd:

dragon 13-02-2005 16:58

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surly as the competitiion is upgrading ppl for free that will make NTL rethink the admin fee :erm:?

Bill C 13-02-2005 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
stand your ground and ignore the mindless name calling idiots ;) , anyway , trying to drag this back on topic :erm: , i wonder how many ppl will bin ntl if they are subjected to a hard cap thru no choice of there own :disturbd:



In fact you are correct i will.
But i wonder how long it would be before the name callers would be on the phone to ntl if a ntl person called them a monkey or muppet. Gee i can hear it now. Hello NTL i was called a muppet by one of your staff now what you going to do about it.
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ian@huth 13-02-2005 17:25

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A lot of recent discussion has been based on a media presentation made around the end of November which included proposed implementations for the coming twelve months. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realise that plans can be changed at any time to take account of competitors changes to their products. Nothing is set in stone until the final hour. It is easy for someone to come along and post that they have inside information on things like whether the admin fee will be applied or not. They have a fifty-fifty chance of being right and can brag about how good their informant is if they do get it right or slink silently into the darkness if they get it wrong. My own feeling is that anyone within NTL who has information that hasn't been released would be in such an high position that they wouldn't risk the consequences of being found to have disclosed it.

phl_spector 13-02-2005 17:27

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this topic should be locked until NTL actually announce the speed upgrades. all this pointless crap throwing and willy waving is getting stupid and enlightens no one. NTL are upgrading speeds. Let's wait for them to announce this to everyone before we're all subjected to stupid rumours and unprovable "facts".

Maggy 13-02-2005 17:33

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Yep and as I'm totally fed up with the subject I'm off to unsubscribe. ;)

Byeee. :sulk:

ian@huth 13-02-2005 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phl_spector
this topic should be locked until NTL actually announce the speed upgrades. all this pointless crap throwing and willy waving is getting stupid and enlightens no one. NTL are upgrading speeds. Let's wait for them to announce this to everyone before we're all subjected to stupid rumours and unprovable "facts".

No, speed increases and caps are topics that affect all broadband users all the time and are worthy of discussion although I would agree that much of the discussion goes around in circles. Most members can sort the wheat from the chaff and work out who are the real muppets on here and what the most likely outcome will be. If anyone isn't interested in the thread they have no need to look at it.

garyparson 13-02-2005 18:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill C
In fact you are correct i will.
But i wonder how long it would be before the name callers would be on the phone to ntl if a ntl person called them a monkey or muppet. Gee i can hear it now. Hello NTL i was called a muppet by one of your staff now what you going to do about it.
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If you paid me £100 a month for my services that were working fine til I screwed up with a software 'fix' and it took me over two years (and counting) to fix it, I'd let you call me a lot more than a muppet.

Bill C 13-02-2005 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garyparson
If you paid me £100 a month for my services that were working fine til I screwed up with a software 'fix' and it took me over two years (and counting) to fix it, I'd let you call me a lot more than a muppet.

Do i take it then that you think its ok to call someone even when you have not met them and that they had nothing to do with your problem.

Tezcatlipoca 13-02-2005 18:26

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Enough.

Can everyone please try & stay on topic.

enjoymarcus 13-02-2005 18:46

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Grr, i hope NTL will hurry up with these upgrades, i got a new ipod and i want it to take half the time to download an mp3 album :mad: ;)

garyparson 13-02-2005 21:36

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Does anyone know if there will be a cap for 2MB?

Paul 13-02-2005 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garyparson
Does anyone know if there will be a cap for 2MB?

Yes, 30GB.

Hans Gruber 13-02-2005 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garyparson
Does anyone know if there will be a cap for 2MB?

I believe there are several thousand threads on that subject ;)

itsonlyme 14-02-2005 00:32

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[Can I remove my tin hat yet?]

I am tempted by the NTL ADSL Offnet offering, but everyone else and their dog is upgrading their offerings to 2Mb.

Do you think NTL will offer a similar ADSL upgrade path in the near future?

zitianaki 14-02-2005 01:56

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mid febuary and still no 3MB...... thats bad my cable modem 1.5Mb is now sitting in the courner of the room unused as its not xbox enabled wont be much good anymore, i think the move to ukonline was a wise move 2Mb unmeterd for 29.99 until next month roll on 8Mb. even though the modem comes with router and closed ports you have control over the modem and can at any time turn off the router and open any ports so it is no problem.. speeds are good 230kbytes :-)
though isps in canada have a 15GB cap on a 5.5Mb connection i am told, soft cap and customers going over doesent bother them. but its there :angel:
compared to that makes ntl look very good

jtwn 14-02-2005 08:47

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The ports aren't blocked on your router they would be blocked further down the line where you couldn't change it..

Nemesis 14-02-2005 11:58

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Good News :D

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...peed-increases

PC_Arcade 14-02-2005 12:00

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MARCH??!!! :lol:

Hans Gruber 14-02-2005 12:01

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A month today! :p

etccarmageddon 14-02-2005 12:02

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this is sooo unfair! we have to wait a month!

:bigcry:

rmg 14-02-2005 12:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis


Thats great. I was hoping to hear something definite on uploads and caps. Hopefully more info will follow with the official press release.

Scope 14-02-2005 12:23

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I've just been on the phone to NTL for another issue, but the guy on the phone could confirm the increases were happening in March, and at no charge. :)

Nemesis 14-02-2005 12:24

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Speed information received, news item updated :D
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article...speed-increases

LostintheNW 14-02-2005 12:25

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Does this mean though that we are to put on these new speeds with the cap without a choice of sticking at the speeds we are at now with the soft cap? If so I don't want to be moved to 3meg

Nemesis 14-02-2005 12:33

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Cap information received, article updated

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article...speed-increases

Mick 14-02-2005 12:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostintheNW
Does this mean though that we are to put on these new speeds with the cap without a choice of sticking at the speeds we are at now with the soft cap? If so I don't want to be moved to 3meg

Read our news item again it says soft cap for 3MB. :)

rmg 14-02-2005 12:35

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Can I be the first to say,

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we need a definition of soft cap, im guessing it means if you go over you wont loose service but if you take the **** we will send you a nasty letter!

:)

sherer 14-02-2005 12:36

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good news all round then.. listed as a soft cap so i assume it will be like now where if you go over it not alot happens unless you hammer it and take 30 GB a day for several days in a row..

i can see this taking ages to roll out in the broadband through a STB areas though, which i'm in..

my understanding is that you need to have a sumsung box for 1 MB or higher so my STB and most of the others in my area will need updating

seaneeboy 14-02-2005 12:39

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Apologies for one of a million n00b questions, but I'm still a little fuzzy on the cab differences - is the 3 gig cap going to be a hard cap, are they *all* going to be hard caps, or all soft, or a mix?

Thanks and sorry if it is in the article - I couldn't see it :(

Sean x
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Sherer> nah, you only need a samsung box for *over* 1 meg - the pace ones can run at one meg.

They could also install cable modems if things are looking tight.

rmg 14-02-2005 12:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherer
good news all round then.. listed as a soft cap so i assume it will be like now where if you go over it not alot happens unless you hammer it and take 30 GB a day for several days in a row..

Several Months in a row ;)

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rmg.

sherer 14-02-2005 12:42

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from reading the link they are all soft caps and even shows a slight increase in the upload as well..

good news from NTL all round.. not sure if this is a soft cap because they have been listening to people from this forum and the user base or maybe NTL just couldn't cope with implementing a hard cap :D

Nemesis 14-02-2005 12:43

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Article has been corrected .... originally thought to be a soft cap, but the understanding is that it will be sold to the customer as a hard cap .....

seaneeboy 14-02-2005 12:44

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Aww drat, thanks nem.


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